Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1610663851543904257

 

[benjipwns]

I wonder if it would ever make sense for scientists to make their own variant that can outcompete all other variants going on, but like make it a super mild variant that has 0% kill rate and no long covid stuff and then release that out in the world to kill off all the competition and make it the main variant in the world. Then it would have its own variants, but as long as they didn't differ in damage it would be more like cold variants going around.

I guess the potential problems besides runaway variants evolving in bad ways, would be if it doesn't crowd out the existing Covid-19 variants and just ends up being another flu/cold/rsv thing happening concurrently with the covid-19 variants so even more stuff out there.

Not to be mean, but I don't think this would be a very good idea to attempt in our lifetimes.

[Nintex]

Did you do a COVID test?

There's a heavy flu doing the rounds that is not COVID but people claim it's worse than their COVID was.

Let me know as soon as that flu's deathcount exceeds COVID, and then let's talk about "worse."
Unless you just mean that patients are having a more painful time with the flu than they did vaccinated and catching C19 anyway. That's reasonable.

Patients are having a more painful time but the numbers are alarming all the same.
Our government tracks deaths by week.

2018: heavy flu around week 10
2020: COVID pandemic peak around week 14
2021: 2nd COVID wave but there was a flu around the same time as well. medical experts assume the peak is a combination of the two
2022: On average more deaths this year than any previous year and no one knows exactly why, a sharp rise at the end of the year assumed to be caused by the flu



This year for the first time in a decade the number of deaths has exceeded the number of births. The total number of deaths was equal with the peak of the COVID pandemic.
Privacy laws have now been waivered to give researches access to more data so they can find out what caused the higher number of deaths. Both in 2021 and 2022 it wasn't COVID as COVID deaths are registered as such.

One explanation might be a record population growth of +227k caused by migration. Including a lot of war refugees from Ukraine.
Considering Ukraine conscripted the healthy men to fight the war it makes sense that the weak, wounded and sick they evacuated increased the number of deaths recorded.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1610663851543904257

 

A lot to unpack there.

[james]

Last we heard from her was asking for prayers because she had covid

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1612633369614876675?

[HardcoreRetro]

Maybe he'll bury her at his golf course. Put Diamond in the rough.

[james]

Maybe he'll bury her at his golf course. Put Diamond in the rough.

Someone get this guy a job with SNL

[chronovore]

Maybe he'll bury her at his golf course. Put Diamond in the rough.

[Himu]

https://apnews.com/article/health-fumio-kishida-japan-tokyo-business-dd19192f7d753ac9782a7338fca30cda

Japan now considers Covid to be the flu! Open the gates, USA!

[tiesto]

https://apnews.com/article/health-fumio-kishida-japan-tokyo-business-dd19192f7d753ac9782a7338fca30cda

Japan now considers Covid to be the flu! Open the gates, USA!

I mean, US has been "open" for a long while. I don't see any restrictions, maybe 10% of people wearing masks, no shops or bars or restaurants closed... so I don't get why some people are still complaining about restrictions and lockdowns.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Didn't Fauci & Co. already talk about how it's going to be seasonal?

[Nintex]

Didn't Fauci & Co. already talk about how it's going to be seasonal?

All the DLC seems to have been cancelled

[BIONIC]

5auGi has been executed in gitmo for crimes against humanity six months ago

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1618405890612420609

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1618737936920633344

[Potato]

LOL, when I watched the first video, I was thinking that it seemed like a date. That guy was mega thirsty for whoever was recording.


Then that second video was
 

[Nintex]

The Pfizer grifters, treacherous WHO and WEF globalists being haunted by the 'citizen journalist' grifters over COVID-19 for all eternity is a bigger punishment than anything the justice system could do to them.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1629814630259343362

[Potato]

Any reason the Energy Department would be investigating COVID origins?

[Raist]

Any reason the Energy Department would be investigating COVID origins?

https://genomicscience.energy.gov/

[Lonewulfeus]

They have low confidence in their findings but at least it isn’t being rejected outright.  It was always a plausible origin for covid.  Whether or not it is we may never know.

[Nintex]

You get the most flak when you are on target

https://twitter.com/redvoicenews/status/1630597165017079808

Lots of folks will have to take the L
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1630385344825769984

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1630733743777300483

you don't say

[team filler]

the bat soup is real 

[Potato]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

[jorma]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

[Uncle]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

seems like the gambler's fallacy

[jorma]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

seems like the gambler's fallacy

that's only if you already know how likely something happening is

[james]

-Very smart scientists in an extremely advanced lab made a small error and the virus got out

THATS RACIST

-The china people eat bat stew lol dumbasses no wonder they got sick

THATS ACCEPTABLE

[jorma]

-Very smart scientists in an extremely advanced lab made a small error and the virus got out

THATS RACIST

-The china people eat bat stew lol dumbasses no wonder they got sick

THATS ACCEPTABLE

neither one is racist you melon 

[team filler]

what if the bat escaped from the wuhan lab 

[james]

what if the person working at the lab who kept a bat as a pet was trans 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

-Very smart scientists in an extremely advanced lab made a small error and the virus got out

THATS RACIST

-The china people eat bat stew lol dumbasses no wonder they got sick

THATS ACCEPTABLE

Ok Hasan.

[Potato]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

Are you saying that lab safety protocols have never been breached before?
 

[jorma]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

Are you saying that lab safety protocols have never been breached before?
 

are you the strayan cathy newman? 

[Potato]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

Are you saying that lab safety protocols have never been breached before?
 

are you the strayan cathy newman? 

Are you the Swedish Kevin Rudd?

[jorma]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

Are you saying that lab safety protocols have never been breached before?
 

are you the strayan cathy newman? 

Are you the Swedish Kevin Rudd?

how would i know? 

[Potato]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

What's more likely?

• A bat from hundreds of kilometres away had a virus that transferred to another animal species and then transferred to humans at a food market.
• A research facility specifically researching modified corona viruses that was located close by the epicentre of the outbreak had a containment breach.

well we know for a fact that A has happened before, so probably A is the most likely?

Are you saying that lab safety protocols have never been breached before?
 

are you the strayan cathy newman? 

Are you the Swedish Kevin Rudd?

how would i know? 

Dunno, am I supposed to know what a Cathy Newman is?

[Coax]

Fwiw someone that a family member knew a number of years before Covid occurred worked at a biotech company (in one of the five eyes countries) that handles restricted samples and ended up leaving after trying to raise concerns internally about some of the inadequate handling/storage safety.

They didn't anonymously whistleblow however since they knew they were the only one raising such complaints and it'd jeopardize their career (it's been a while so don't recall the exact situation). The same company later helped manufacture one of the main Covid vaccines and I'd like to think they improved their safety measures given the Covid fiasco.

In that sense the lab leak theory to me seems plausible if safety protocols weren't followed closely enough that led to an accident, which only those working there would be able to provide insight to. Whether it's more plausible that the wet market theory idk.

[Himu]

Effing China causing all this pain and misery. F that country.

[benjipwns]

Surprised that the FBI is siding with Trump and the anti-vaxxers in the middle of a war, I followed all the correct people on Twitter which is how I know that a lab leak was debunked as a conspiracy theory three years ago and that even mentioning it was assisting the fascists. Amanda Marcotte (among others, back when you could trust the Blue Check system before Elon ruined it) especially wrote some very helpful scientific threads about how this had a less than zero chance of being true and the lab leak theory was Russian disinformation trying to put Fauci's life in danger that I'm glad her fellow journalists ensured I saw.

I'm not entirely surprised though when I remember this is the same FBI that refused to do anything about Gamergate and Johnny Depp.

[benjipwns]

Effing China causing all this pain and misery. F that country.

I say we make sure they never do it again.

Send Nintex to live there.

[Nintex]

DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. Now it’s time to hold China to account

Three years ago, I declared that COVID-19 almost certainly came from the Chinese Wuhan lab. Now, the world is finally admitting the truth. The cover-up of COVID-19's origins is one of the greatest scandals in the history of the world. Millions of people all over the planet have died from the China Virus. The cost of the outbreak and the lying about its origins is incalculable, some say in excess of $50 trillion.

Now it's time to hold China—and the corrupt forces who have facilitated this colossal suppression of facts—accountable for the damage they have inflicted upon all of humanity. According to recent reports, the U.S. Department of Energy has concluded a Wuhan lab leak is the likely cause of the pandemic. The FBI reached the same conclusion. The facts are now plain for all to see. When I first suggested in early 2020 that the virus may have come from a lab, it was called 'racist,' a 'conspiracy theory,' and a claim for which 'there is no evidence'.

The entire globalist establishment—from the World Health Organization, to the media, to Anthony Fauci and the public health authorities, to the corrupt Silicon Valley tech giants, to Joe Biden—worked relentlessly to silence, censor, and shut down any suggestion that the so-called 'lab leak theory' could be true. Scientists who called for transparency and investigation were attacked. Facebook and Twitter labeled posts related to the theory as 'disinformation.' The media mercilessly ridiculed the idea.

When Joe Biden came into office, he shut down the investigation my administration had launched into the true origins of the China Virus. We all know the real reason for these censorship campaigns. The 'lab leak' did not serve their political agendas. So they did the Chinese Communist Party's dirty work, and effectively imposed China's propaganda on the Western world. There must now be a reckoning. The sinister censorship regimes in the United States and throughout the West must be dismantled and destroyed. This scandal is the best possible reminder of why we must have free speech. The World Health Organization must also be held to account. The WHO, which effectively did China's bidding, fully endorsed the 'natural origin' theory, failed to conduct a thorough inquiry into the possibility that the virus came from a lab, and covered up for China at every turn.  The WHO strongly recommended against my early China travel ban—which was proven to be 100 percent correct. Because of it, we saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the U.S. For this reason, as President, after my detailed requests for specific reforms were ignored, I terminated America's relationship with the World Health Organization.

The United States was paying the WHO $450million dollars a year when I dropped out, for 300 million people. China was paying $40million dollars for 1.4 billion people. They wanted me to come back in very badly. They offered me to come back in for what China pays. I said, 'Some day I might take it, but you have to be admonished.' Not only did Joe Biden re-enter the WHO without getting any meaningful reforms, but he did so at full price, restoring the hundreds of millions of dollars American taxpayers send each year to an organization that badly misled the world in the service of Communist China.

Now, Joe Biden is negotiating to sign a treaty giving the WHO sweeping powers any time foreign bureaucrats decide to declare a pandemic. In the event of a real emergency, the treaty would have us ship up to 20% of our medical supplies and medications to the WHO for distribution to other countries. This outrageous globalist scheme would put America and other signatories on the path to surrendering our sovereignty to the whims of foreign public health bureaucrats—the same people who got COVID-19 completely and totally wrong. The draft treaty also pushes censorship of disapproved speech about matters of public health—just like they censored the facts about the Wuhan Lab. This is insanity. America and other free nations should have no part in it.

When I take the oath of office as the 47th president of the United States, I will once again withdraw the United States from the WHO, to protect our health, and to defend our freedom and independence. Finally, now that the evidence of Chinese culpability is clear to all, we must hold China financially responsible for unleashing this plague upon the world. Joe Biden will not do this. Biden is unbelievably weak on China—perhaps because his family has received millions of dollars from entities linked to the Chinese Communist Party. Yet the need for accountability remains. China's deceptions and lies in the critical early phrase of the outbreak are well documented. For example, they long insisted to the world that the virus could not spread from human to human. They bought up vast quantities of PPE from all over the planet, while lying to other countries about the characteristics of the virus and the severity of the outbreak. Their lies and deception killed any opportunity to stop this deadly global catastrophe at the start. Add to that the probability that the virus emerged from a Chinese government lab, and may even have been engineered by Chinese government scientists, and it is clear that the nations of the world are not just owed a massive apology; they are owed massive damages.

To collect this compensation, nothing should be off the table—tariffs, taxes, and a global summit on reparations.

The World must ensure that such a tragedy never happens again!

[benjipwns]

nah

[Nintex]

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632792287372517377

https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1632767729374580741

[Raist]

[Potato]

I'm not watching an hour of those nerds. Summary please.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632792287372517377

This dummy needs to stop falling into the same traps as the people he was supposedly criticizing and saving us all from so quickly.

[james]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1236029449042198528

Our prophet has spoken

3 years of Elon Musk takes

[railGUN]

Made it 3 years, but the vid finally got me 

[chronovore]

Made it 3 years, but the vid finally got me 

If you feel a sudden change for the worse in your situation, don't be brave, call a hospital.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1633519984742735882

So American funded research in China organized by Dr. Fauci.

That's a big Yikes oof

[railGUN]

Made it 3 years, but the vid finally got me 

If you feel a sudden change for the worse in your situation, don't be brave, call a hospital.

Will do, for sure, thanks. It feels like a decent cold right now, fever hasn't gotten above 100.9, just stuffy runny nose and a bit of a sore throat. I'm fully vaxxed and boosted so not too worried.

[zomgee]

My brother, who does not believe the hype, and has gotten one single shot, unknowingly got COVID. Instead of testing and isolating - "it's just a cold" - he went and visited my parents, where my 77-year old mother got COVID. She is in terrible shape now. Her health has never been great but she didn't need this.

THEN he tested and came back positive and feels that my mom got it because she lost natural immunity from getting the shots. Also, he still isn't isolating. He works at a hospital.

[benjipwns]

feels that my mom got it because she lost natural immunity from getting the shots.

[Rufus]

THEN he tested and came back positive and feels that my mom got it because she lost natural immunity from getting the shots. Also, he still isn't isolating. He works at a hospital.

This never fails to surprise me.

[Potato]

THEN he tested and came back positive and feels that my mom got it because she lost natural immunity from getting the shots. Also, he still isn't isolating. He works at a hospital.

This never fails to surprise me.

When I worked in the health department (well before covid), midwives were found handing anti-vaccination pamphlets to pregnant women.

[benjipwns]

Check out what gets taught in many nursing schools sometime, especially anything about "holistic" nursing.

I'll get you started:

There are eight concepts in Rogers’ nursing theory: energy field, openness, pattern, pan-dimensionality, homeodynamic principles, resonance, helicy, and integrality.

The energy field is the fundamental unit of both the living and the non-living. It provides a way to view people and the environment as irreducible wholes. The energy fields continuously vary in intensity, density, and extent. There are no boundaries that stop energy flow between the human and environmental fields, which is the openness in Rogers’ theory.

Rogers defines pattern as the distinguishing characteristic of an energy field seen as a single wave. It is an abstraction, and gives identity to the field. Pan-dimensionality is defined as “non-linear domain without spatial or temporal attributes.” The parameters that humans use in language to describe events are arbitrary, and the present is relative; there is no temporal ordering of lives.

Homeodynamic principles postulate a way of viewing unitary human beings. The three principles of homeodynamics are resonancy, helicy, and integrality. Resonancy is an ordered arrangement of rhythm characterizing both the human and environmental fields that undergo continuous dynamic metamorphosis in the human environmental process. Helicy describes the unpredictable, nonlinear evolution of energy fields as seen in non-repeating rhythmicities, and postulates an ordering of the human evolutionary emergency. Integrality covers the mutual, continuous relationship of the human and environmental fields. Changes occur by the continuous repatterning of the human and environmental fields by resonance waves. The fields are integrated into each other, but are also unique.

In Rogers’ Theory of Unitary Human Beings, a person is defined as an indivisible, pan-dimensional energy field identified by pattern, and manifesting characteristics specific to the whole, and that can’t be predicted from knowledge of the parts. A person is also a unified whole, having its own distinct characteristics that can’t be viewed by looking at, describing, or summarizing the parts. Rogers also explains that people have the capacity to participate in the process of change. The environment is an “irreducible, pan-dimensional energy field identified by pattern and integral with the human field.” The two fields coexist and are integral to each other.

Rosemarie Rizzo Parse first published the theory in 1981 as the “Man-living-health” theory, and the name was changed to the “human becoming theory” in 1992.

The assumptions underpinning the theory were synthesized from works by European philosophers. The theory is structured around three abiding themes: meaning, rhythmicity, and transcendence.

The model makes assumptions about man and becoming, as well as three major assumptions about human becoming.

The Human Becoming Theory makes the following assumptions about man:

The human is coexistent while co-constituting rhythmical patterns with the universe.
The human is open, freely choosing meaning in a situation, as well as bearing responsibility for decisions made.
The human is unitary, continuously co-constituting patterns of relating.
The human is transcending multidimensionally with the possibles.

The Human Becoming Theory makes the following assumptions about becoming:

Becoming is unitary with human-living-health.
Becoming is a rhythmically co-constituting the human-universe process.
Becoming is the human’s patterns of relating value priorities.
Becoming is an intersubjective process of transcending with the possibles.
Becoming is the unitary human’s emerging.

The three major assumptions about human becoming are: meaning, rhythmicity, and transcendence.

Newman’s Health as Expanding Consciousness arose from Rogers’ Theory of Unitary Human Beings. It was stimulated by concern for those for whom health as the absence of disease or disability is simply not possible. The model has progressed to include the health of all people, regardless of the presence or absence of disease. Newman’s theory asserts that every person in every situation, no matter how disordered and hopeless it seems, is part of the universal process of expanding consciousness. This is a process of becoming more of oneself, of finding greater meaning in life, and of reaching new dimensions of connectedness with other people, as well as the world.

Margaret A. Newman was influenced by Martha Rogers’ Theory of Unitary Human Beings, Itzhak Bentov’s Concept of the Evolution of Consciousness, Arthur Young’s Theory of Process, and David Bohm’s Theory of Implicate as she developed her model of nursing.

The Health as Expanding Consciousness theory makes the following assumptions:

Health encompasses conditions described as illness, or, in medical terms, pathology.
These pathological conditions can be considered a manifestation of the total pattern of the patient.
The pattern of the individual patient that eventually manifests itself as pathology is primary, and exists prior to structural or functional changes.
Removal of pathology will not, in itself, change the pattern of the individual patient.
If becoming ill is the only way an individual patient’s pattern is able to manifest itself, then that is health for that individual patient.
Health is an expansion of consciousness.

According to Newman, “the theory of health as expanding consciousness was stimulated by concern for those for whom health as the absence of disease or disability is not possible. Nurses often relate to such people: people facing the uncertainty, debilitation, loss and eventual death associated with chronic illness. The theory has progressed to include the health of all persons regardless of the presence or absence of disease. The theory asserts that every person in every situation, no matter how disordered and hopeless it may seem, is part of the universal process of expanding consciousness – a process of becoming more of oneself, of finding greater meaning in life, and of reaching new dimensions of connectedness with other people and the world.”

Patients are open to the whole energy system of the universe, as well as constantly interacting with the energy. This process of interaction allows people to evolve their individual patterns of whole. According to Newman, understanding the patient’s pattern is essential. The pattern recognition is the expanding consciousness. The manifestation of disease depends on the pattern of the patient, so the pathology of the diseases exists before the symptoms begin to appear. Because of this, removal of the disease symptoms does not change the individual structure.

Newman redefines nursing according to her nursing process of recognizing the individual in relation to the environment, and it is a process of the understanding of consciousness. The nurse’s understanding of people helps them use the power within to develop the higher level of consciousness. Therefore, it helps to realize the disease process, its recovery, and its prevention.

She also explains the interrelatedness of time, space, and movement. Time and space are the temporal pattern of the patient, and they have a complementary relationship. People are constantly changing through time and space, and it shows a unique pattern of reality.

A bunch of quotes from nursing school textbooks back in the 1990's:

[benjipwns]

One benefit to the pandemic may have been reminding (some) people that medical professionals are just as prone to conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, etc. as everyone else. The amount of people trying to leverage their MDs (and similar) to post just outright insane stuff on social media and advocate for crazy stuff on/in regular media was way too high even if you were already cynical about this.

[Raist]

THEN he tested and came back positive and feels that my mom got it because she lost natural immunity from getting the shots. Also, he still isn't isolating. He works at a hospital.

This never fails to surprise me.

Working in life sciences research, and as such interacting with medics fairly regularly, I'm not surprised one bit.