Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[ShutUp]

Polygon and Kotaku are what happen when a generation of spoiled brats gets a dose of the real world after 18 years of being handed participation trophies. Its no surprise Era idolizes them.

Also forgot Immortals is coming out. Game looks pretty fun, is getting good reviews and is set in the world of Greek mythology. Sign me up.

[Rahxephon91]

I have no problem with a left leaning bent in game writing. I have no problem with well written essays that attempt to look at video games deeper. I like that stuff. I like good writing.

But that's not good writing just randomly bringing something like that. Like you've framed this as just a review of the game and then you make a big ass pull to make a connection that has little to do with the framing of the writing. It's just very ham-fisted, because you are forcing it in. Like go all in a writing commenting about how you think Ubisoft's shitty work culture is being reflected in the game. But do it with more cleverness then some ass pull of "Zesus was a bad father kind of like Ubisoft is a bad company". Like that has nothing to it. That's lame writing.

[remy]

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/21723089/immortals-fenyx-rising-review-ubisoft-pc-ps4-ps5-switch-stadia-xbox-one-series-x

When the game turns the camera back onto Zeus and reflects on the ways he was an atrocious father and ruler, it’s impossible to not think about the reports of the toxic culture at Ubisoft Quebec, the primary developer on this game. But a game designer who might be in a poor work environment doesn’t get to use an array of powerful abilities to stand up to those who abuse their power. They don’t get to make them disappear after a few attempts. The worst monsters remain, unchecked and unpunished

Maybe open-world games don’t need to boast 175 hours of playtime even while torturing developers with months of crunch. Immortals, and by extension Ubisoft, isn’t immune to this problem, but there are pieces here that argue for a shift in the scope of a genre that has historically been more interested in simulating the minute details of a horse’s genitalia than caring for the people who worked on them.

It's almost like the Kotaku PS5 review all over again.  And none of the links in the second part are related to Ubisoft.

Considering all the "sponsored" videos at polygon lately, i guess ubi's cheque didnt clear. or someone else's hitpiece cheque did.

[Uncle]

never specified which 40s tho

 

[Tuckers Law]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/freedom-of-speech-is-becoming-dangerous.335697/

Usual silly ERA shit, until we get the diamond in this rough...

I agree, it's one of those things like being able to own guns that might have made sense in the 40s when they made the constitution but it doesn't really work now in 2020

I have a hard time taking anyone serious that says something as absurd as the constitution was made in the 40's as an arguing point. Please educate yourself on something that basic at the least.

Wasn't it? It doesn't really change my argument either way.

 

Doesn’t even acknowledge how far off they were.

I’m more surprised OP is getting as much pushback as they are, what with Reeee being the forum of “mods halp!” anytime something is posted which doesn’t strictly follow the dictations of their protected posters.

[clothedmacuser]

I know drugs and alcohol can make you do strange things, but I find it hard to believe that someone who doesn't hold racist views would suddenly start spewing racist views just because they're high or drunk.

Never knew he was a racist asshole. Drugs probably made him do that rant on stage but didn't give him those views.

Booze doesn't somehow make you spout opinions you don't really believe, it merely removes any inhibitions and lets you say what you really mean and think. It is such a cop-out to blame substances for racist outbursts. He meant that shit and is still an utter scumbag.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-didnt-know-eric-clapton-was-an-anti-lockdown-racist-dude.334124/post-52726922

Drug and alcohol use make people believe there are "shadow people," hiding in the corners.  They make people paranoid that their family is out to get them. They make people see decapitated heads on stakes moaning chants to them, black helicopters, invisible killers after them, or their own family out to kill them.

Era trots out the stupid line, "it exposes your true feelings," because the worst drug/alcohol damage they have seen was their uncle having three glasses of wine and saying taxes are too high.  It's just another example of the privileged life they lead but because they are one the right side they can judge everyone.

[Rahxephon91]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/blm-social-justice-grifter-says-white-people-are-not-born-into-being-human.1579509/#post-261338809

I am so glad there are no black people in my country to ruin it like that fat sack of shit, university in america must be fucking draining

(Image removed from quote.)

Great site you're running there, shower man.

That thread is really disgusting.

Like I get it. The lady is a loon. She's crazy.

But she's not crazy because shes black, fat, or a woman. She's crazy because she herself is crazy.

This very fringe and extreme view she has is not representative of BLM or hell probably 99% of the African American community.

And then mocking those body positive cheer leaders. Like fine, you don't find them attractive for whatever reason, but they don't deserved to be mock.

Whole thing makes me pretty angry with some of the unsubtle unsaid remarks of these people.

[Don Rumata]

Inhibitions are part of rational thought processing.
The ability to filter and not jump to distinguished mentally-challenged conclusions, is part of reasoning.

I agree in the case of Clapton's rant, drugs didn't invent those views for him, though they could've impacted his ability to critically think them through.

[headwalk]

95% of games are less thematically engrossing than the average bank advert. if you're a game journalist trying to claw your way out of the realisation that you're doing product reviews, of course you're going to go off on a flatulent voyage into your own self important indulgences.

"The contorted shape of Rowdy's Touch Activated Bed Lamp reminds me of how even the most angular and awkward of concepts can suddenly come to life with only the lightest of human application. As we look to combat the difficulties our sociecty faces we shouldn't shirk from conversations that may at first seem unapproachable because we may well find that people respond, like the lamp, with instant illumination to steer us from the darkness. It has quite a short cable though so you'll need to be near a socket. 3 out of 5 stars"

[SmokyDave]

You, uh, got a link for that lamp? Sounds nice, just saying.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

My attention got dragged elsewhere, and I've looked into it. Apparently yes, they're quite impartial when looking at international matters outside of their own area.

what a long winded way to say "I am wrong and was talking shit"

[MMaRsu]

Reee has decided that SkillUp is a literal nazi

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-think-im-finally-realizing-that-im-assexual.335922/

Congrats OP, you're asexual. Once I was introduced to the term, I realized that it fit my experience. I'm panromantic, I've a high libido, and I'm very kinky. But I've never experienced sexual attraction. Never actually wanted sex with anyone.

Luckily I’m old and will die soon because I don’t understand what words mean anymore.

[Pissy F Benny]

Reee has decided that SkillUp is a literal nazi

Prove that he isn’t

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-think-im-finally-realizing-that-im-assexual.335922/

Congrats OP, you're asexual. Once I was introduced to the term, I realized that it fit my experience. I'm panromantic, I've a high libido, and I'm very kinky. But I've never experienced sexual attraction. Never actually wanted sex with anyone.

Luckily I’m old and will die soon because I don’t understand what words mean anymore.

"I masturbate mostly."
Another term would be porn addict. 

[Straight Edge]

Of course none of these kinky, chronic masturbators are actually asexual, but it’s a nice feather to have in your cap for the culture wars.

[Switters]

Is watching a man fuck a woman panromantic? Asking for a friend?

[headwalk]

I'm just assuming he forgot to type out "predator".

asexual tyrannosaurus

[Don Rumata]

Is watching a man fuck a woman panromantic? Asking for a friend?

I have a thing for sleeping with married women, i decided to come out of the closet with it...




A black eye and two broken ribs later, the doctor suggested two weeks as a panromantic.

[Switters]

Congrats to Elliot Page. Welcome to the patriarchy, bro!

 

[joeboy101]

I'm just assuming he forgot to type out "predator".

asexual tyrannosaurus

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

fuck, I hope we don't lose emote now

[joeboy101]

Any particular organization to donate to? I have a friend who is unfortunately moving out of the country later this weekend and as such is handing out her Christmas gifts early. Her gift to me is a copy of the game as she knows I'm big into RPGs. I don't want to be a dick about it and refuse (especially with her leaving the country) so I decided to just accept the gift and donate at least $100 towards a just cause. I figure it's best to consult with a member of the trans community what organizations to donate to as I'm not well verse on them. Thanks in advance!

Riiiight, a friend is gifting it, that’s why he’ll be playing it and posting later. Gotta keep up appearances.

 

[thetylerrob]

I want to make a joke about the patriarchy casting men and stealing women's roles but you know what good for them.

[HaughtyFrank]

I want to make a joke about the patriarchy casting men and stealing women's roles but you know what good for them.

Yeah, helps to remember that he just wants to live his best life. The pricks on RE aren't representative of the community

[Switters]

Pictured: Mess furiously tweeting CDPR Transphobia threads to Elliot Page.

 

[Mr. Nobody]

[clothedmacuser]

Well he's still cute.

[team filler]

ellen page was a girl 

[team filler]

I don't notice any difference 

[BIONIC]

ellen page was a girl 

[Nintex]

[team filler]

 

[Straight Edge]

Serious question. Could a company like Sony and Naughty Dog patch game credits?

 

[nudemacusers]

Any particular organization to donate to? I have a friend who is unfortunately moving out of the country later this weekend and as such is handing out her Christmas gifts early. Her gift to me is a copy of the game as she knows I'm big into RPGs. I don't want to be a dick about it and refuse (especially with her leaving the country) so I decided to just accept the gift and donate at least $100 towards a just cause. I figure it's best to consult with a member of the trans community what organizations to donate to as I'm not well verse on them. Thanks in advance!

Riiiight, a friend is gifting it, that’s why he’ll be playing it and posting later. Gotta keep up appearances.

 

this is a pretty good loophole tbh.

[BisMarckie]

I don't know, most loopholes don't require you to pay an extra 100 bucks.

[nudemacusers]

I don't know, most loopholes don't require you to pay an extra 100 bucks.

THERE IS NO ETHICAL GIFTING UNDER CAPITALISM

[BisMarckie]

I will buy Cyberpunk and watch something with Elliot Page in it and pretend to like it to make up for my crimes.

[Straight Edge]

Holy Resetera providing indulgences for the sin of transphobia! Martin Luther would be triggered!

[nudemacusers]

umbrella academy is pretty good, no need to pretend

also the goat trans character is lola from difficult people, the cattiest show of all time (rip):

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi19314969

[Nintex]

Any particular organization to donate to? I have a friend who is unfortunately moving out of the country later this weekend and as such is handing out her Christmas gifts early. Her gift to me is a copy of the game as she knows I'm big into RPGs. I don't want to be a dick about it and refuse (especially with her leaving the country) so I decided to just accept the gift and donate at least $100 towards a just cause. I figure it's best to consult with a member of the trans community what organizations to donate to as I'm not well verse on them. Thanks in advance!

Riiiight, a friend is gifting it, that’s why he’ll be playing it and posting later. Gotta keep up appearances.

 

this is a pretty good loophole tbh.

That's a kind thought Namikaze1 and xyla ~ you could donate to a local trans charity in your respective countries, or here's a link to donate to one in Poland directly - http://transfuzja.org/en/artykuly/donate.htm. General info on Trans-Fuzja here. Appreciate you both popping in.

For those keeping count, human rights violations can be acquitted with a $100 donation.

[BisMarckie]

Never watched it, the only movie I liked with Page in it was Inception and that was only a supporting role.

[BikeJesus]

Any particular organization to donate to? I have a friend who is unfortunately moving out of the country later this weekend and as such is handing out her Christmas gifts early. Her gift to me is a copy of the game as she knows I'm big into RPGs. I don't want to be a dick about it and refuse (especially with her leaving the country) so I decided to just accept the gift and donate at least $100 towards a just cause. I figure it's best to consult with a member of the trans community what organizations to donate to as I'm not well verse on them. Thanks in advance!

Riiiight, a friend is gifting it, that’s why he’ll be playing it and posting later. Gotta keep up appearances.

 

this is a pretty good loophole tbh.

What the fuck. A person who actually gave a shit about this would have already brought up the games problematic issues to their friend who is close enough to blow 50 bucks on them. And if they didn't, it isn't very difficult to say "I appreciate the thought, but the developer is transphobic and i have no desire to play their game. Please refund the gift and donate it to a trans charity instead. Thank you, you are the best!".

Imagine thinking there was no way around accepting the game. If it is a physical copy, sell it. If it is a key, don't redeem it and sell it.

Fake ass pretend bitch ass nicca. Just admit you either hate trans people, or you think crybaby era has overblown the issue. Fucking fake cuck.

expand...I'm in a somewhat similar boat - I already bought a key a long time ago before I knew about all of this. Can't get my money back.

Keys are for the GoG version which haven't been sent out yet, so just sell it. Steam doesn't give you a key.  Stop being a fake ass bitch. These liars are even worse than the people in the OT straight up saying they can't wait for the game. They want it both ways. They don't give a fuck about trans people. Kyuuji is pathetic for taking these bullshit excuses. Ketkat wouldn't have been suckered by that bullshit.

[Snoopycat_]

Kyuji's posts get ignored so he switches tactics and criticises the game's performance.

Still gets ignored

 

[team filler]

elliot page can suck my hog!!

[BikeJesus]

Kyuji's posts get ignored so he switches tactics and criticises the game's performance.

Still gets ignored

 

Criticizing the game on base console without the day 1 patch that it was delayed for.  Keep fighting that good fight!

[Rahxephon91]

Reee has decided that SkillUp is a literal nazi

Whats their problem with him?

[Snoopycat_]

Criticizing the game on base console without the day 1 patch that it was delayed for.  Keep fighting that good fight!

At this point he's just using any excuse to shit on the game. Nobody expects it to run flawlessly on consoles.

[Nintex]

GTAIV ran pretty bad on Xbox 360(hit 20fps more often than 30) and was still one of the most popular games of that gen.
When I got my Xbox One X I gave away my Xbox One to a friend. He's having a great time during COVID lockdown playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
Sure, he's impressed with my new Ryzen 5000 rig running the latest COD and DOOM at insane framerates but he would never spend that kind of money on gaming.

He's hyped for Cyberpunk too and is just happy that he can play it on his Xbox One as well.
I imagine that the type of gamers who're going to play Cyberpunk on Xbox One / PS4 are not the ones who worry too much about the benchmarks, framerates and pop-in.
As long as it runs anywhere near 30fps and it seems on par with what they're used to from GTAV, Witcher 3 and Assassins Creed it'll be fine.
 

[Snoopycat_]

Reee has decided that SkillUp is a literal nazi

Whats their problem with him?

He defended Alannah or Pewds. Maybe even both. That would make him literally Joseph Goebbels

[Snoopycat_]

GTAIV ran pretty bad on Xbox 360(hit 20fps more often than 30) and was still one of the most popular games of that gen.
When I got my Xbox One X I gave away my Xbox One to a friend. He's having a great time during COVID lockdown playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
Sure, he's impressed with my new Ryzen 5000 rig running the latest COD and DOOM at insane framerates but he would never spend that kind of money on gaming.

He's hyped for Cyberpunk too and is just happy that he can play it on his Xbox One as well.
I imagine that the type of gamers who're going to play Cyberpunk on Xbox One / PS4 are not the ones who worry too much about the benchmarks, framerates and pop-in.
As long as it runs anywhere near 30fps and it seems on par with what they're used to from GTAV, Witcher 3 and Assassins Creed it'll be fine.

Witcher 3 still controls like shit on the PS4. Controlling Gerald can be rage inducing, but it's still a great game

[joeboy101]

As the topic is ramping up in activity I think it's worth posting a reminder on the background to a lot of the sentiment. These issues are actively ongoing in each case, so any attention and time given to reading and considering the below alongside the hype for the trailer would be appreciated.

As CP77 features transphobic elements and is made by a company that's repeatedly been transphobic, while operating within a country that's in the midst of a severe nationwide crackdown on LGBTQ+ rights and people, in addition to bodily autonomy with a proposed new anti-abortion ruling (1,2) – one that has seen delay through widescale protest – I want to take a post to draw attention to the issues alongside the hype.

CDPR have spoken about the desire to reflect a range of political sympathies from staff in their game and are not only leaning on diversity and inclusivity as a promotion tool for it, but doing so at the expense of consideration for trans identities. A game having transphobic elements is problematic in and of itself but when it's being upheld as art and reflective of political sympathies from a country that's currently doing its best to ensure trans people - and all those under LGBTQ+ umbrella - don't exist, it should warrant an extra layer of scrutiny. Especially from a company with a history of transphobic output.

Media influences a lot of how the public perceive trans people and their identities so it isn't just a game and the backing to it isn't apolitical to start. If you're hyped for the game and can't wait to hit the streets of Night City it's still good to be understanding of the context. It isn't a guess that the transphobia present in CP77 is representative of the views widespread within their country, it's part of what they're stating is important to them.

Being fans of the game and giving the feedback to CDPR that their company and games would be better off without the transphobia is as beneficial as it is possible. Alongside the adoration and praise, being critical of these problems in alongside any positive feedback of the game in general could help nudge CDPR to be more inclusive and less bigoted toward trans people. There's really is no need for the transphobic elements in this game and from the company, and media like that we see paraded by them has a material impact on trans lives and the threats we face.

It would be appreciated if people could consider the below, in addition to the issues surrounding the company, alongside the celebratory hype in the runup to, and past, launch 💛


Poland will consider a LGBT Pride ban after a citizen's legislative initiative amassed more than 200,000 signatures.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/poland-lgbt-rights/2020/10/27/e82bce8a-12f7-11eb-a258-614acf2b906d_story.html

LGBTQ+ Charity & Trans support organisation:
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Trans-Fuzja Foundation • articles • portal
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This in the Cyberpunk Nightwire thread. VERY next post...

Gosh I can't wait for this game to come out!

 

[Uncle]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

[Straight Edge]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

Convenient since his career will likely disappear as well.

[team filler]

 

[Boredfrom]

geez it's already hard to search the internet for ellen page, within 3 hours the deadname is scrubbed from nearly everywhere except right wing sources like daily mail

you search for ellen page, every result says elliot already

Convenient since his career will likely disappear as well.

Being fair, he could play that niche trans man character oscar bait that RE always complains that goes to CIS actors.

Another genuine positive is that we can pretend that beyond two souls never happened.

[HaughtyFrank]

Another genuine positive is that we can pretend that beyond two souls never happened.

Trans-remaster incoming.

[Boredfrom]

David Cage specially had a fetish when he was Ellen, so dunno what would be going in his head right now.

[Transhuman]

Most of the articles about the coming out are using a photo of Page wearing a baseball cap so it's easier for old people to wrap their heads around I guess.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-there-is-a-good-argument-to-be-made-that-trump-will-be-a-long-term-net-positive-for-the-country-world.336270/

User banned (permanent): Inflammatory, inappropriate, and insulting commentary over a series of posts

I understand the thread title probably touches a nerve for many, but it's the best way I know how to put it. Hear me out, please. First, disclaimers:
-Trump is bad. He's an awful human and definitely in the running for the worst president we've ever had. He has no redeeming qualities. I hate everything he's done. I hate him as a person. I understand that he has hurt people and put people in danger and gotten people killed through action and inaction. I cannot state enough how much I absolutely loathe him and everything he stands for. This is not a "is Trump secretly good?" thread. It's a thread about the real-world outcomes of what comes in the wake of Trump's unquestionable badness.
-I'm not even sure I myself would argue strongly in favor of what I'm proposing in this thread. It may be too early to tell if any of this is true, and it's probably impossible to do the calculus on the ultimate harm versus good, even if you believe in that kind of moral and ethical approach to the world. Some of this is based on feeling and is impossible to really measure.

That being said, here's what I've been mulling over lately...

First, I believe that Trump's presidency and all the things he has done and said during his time in office have seemingly made a lot more people aware, interested, and involved in politics. I think his time in power has helped to make a lot of people be less complacent about what goes on in politics and the world in general. I believe he has radicalized a lot of people in opposition to him. Seeing marches and protests and discourse go on that I never really saw before under other similarly awful Republican presidents made me believe that all of Trump's bad may have been met with some positive outcomes on the opposing side.

Second, seeing what is happening now with Trump's tantrum over losing re-election is what really has me thinking there might be an argument to be made here. If he can drag enough of his red hat army down with his sinking ship, if he can fracture the Republican Party into something that is irreparable or less harmful, I think there's also an end positive to that. And I think it's likely, though not guaranteed.

So with those two big points, do you believe there is any argument to be made that ultimately, weighing the positive outcomes with the negative ones, that there is some "cosmic balance" that puts Trump's presidency as a net positive?

Again, I'm not even sure if I myself believe this. I typically don't subscribe to the kind of utilitarian ethics that says 10 points of good "outweighs" 9 points of bad. I don't think you can really put a value on the human cost of what Trump has done. But I feel like there are some people out there who might believe this is possible on some really long timescale, especially if the negative effects Trump's implosion might have on the GOP prove to be significant and long-lasting.

Maybe it's not a simple yes or no and the answer is way more complicated than that. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

I don't really see this as an accelerationist argument. I'm not saying "we should have elected Trump because we have to burn everything down to rebuild it." I am glad Trump lost re-election. But he won the first time, and I'm pondering whether we could see some long-term net good as a result.

This is definitely one of the strongest counters to this potential argument.

I guess that's the argument I'm getting at though, something on the decades-long time scale. Irreparable harm has been inflicted, no doubt. I don't question that. You can't bring all the people dead back to life. But I'm wondering if there's anyone that would be willing to argue for the long time-scale. Not four years or even ten years down the road, but 50 or 100 years. Is there anyone that would look to the last four years and say that it's going to have us end up in an ultimately better place that far down the road than we would have been if "politics as usual" just continued to happen over and over again in an endless cycle.

The empathy is in having this argument in a place where I can lay out my entire argument, say exactly why I think Trump is bad, and have an open place for discussing a hypothetical idea that I'm not even sure I believe, than to go up to an LGBT person on the street, for example, and say "Hey do you think Trump is good, actually?"

I tried really hard to present this discussion in the best way I possibly could while still discussing it at all. I don't think having these discussions should be off the table as long as we approach them with care. And I tried to do that the best I could.

I hurt for the people that Trump has hurt. I really, really do. I hate the man and all he has done.

I said multiple times that I don't even think I'd make the argument myself. I just wanted people's thoughts on the issue. Maybe just to make me see how wrong I am for even the fleeting thought.

That's not the intention at all. I don't want to imply that Trump himself is an agent for good. He didn't do any of this on purpose. If there is any argument to be made that any good comes from any of this, it's not because Trump did the good. It's a consequence of the outcomes from his time in office, not because he deserves "credit" for anything good at all. I don't mean to imply that and I'm sorry if it comes off that way or if the framing of this question is hurtful to those directly negatively impacted by Trump's actions and rhetoric.

Nepenthe, as an administrator of this site you have my full blessing to lock this thread if you believe its existence is harmful. I won't take any offense.

Seriously, what the fuck.

"Where did you think you are?"