Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[SmokyDave]

OK fine it isn't black and white.

You guys reading one thread where people are getting called out for a slur is also not representative of what GAF is like in general.   The multiple people continuing to use the slur after being called out are far more representative of what it's like.

To be honest, I'm not that comfortable arguing against you because I've barely browsed the site. I don't doubt that the pendulum has swung in the other direction because it always does. I'm just struggling to imagine Black Chamber finding GAF a worse experience than that he's already had on Reset. I'm not trying to go to bat for a community that I'm not especially familiar with.

As shitty as purple gaf is, it doesn't have outright racists and bigots on it, so yeah, point to them.

Eh, I disagree with that. Unless you're using 'only institutional racism counts as racism', which I know many do nowadays. As for bigots, it has fucking tons of them.

[Chim Richalds]

As shitty as purple gaf is, it doesn't have outright racists and bigots on it, so yeah, point to them. 

But it's still a shit hole, just in a very different way. 

uhh, hold on a minute...

[bork]

OK fine it isn't black and white.

You guys reading one thread where people are getting called out for a slur is also not representative of what GAF is like in general.   The multiple people continuing to use the slur after being called out are far more representative of what it's like.

To be honest, I'm not that comfortable arguing against you because I've barely browsed the site. I don't doubt that the pendulum has swung in the other direction because it always does. I'm just struggling to imagine Black Chamber finding GAF a worse experience than that he's already had on Reset. I'm not trying to go to bat for a community that I'm not especially familiar with.

Have you checked the politics subforum on there?  That's where a lot of the real nasty shit is.

[bork]

As shitty as purple gaf is, it doesn't have outright racists and bigots on it, so yeah, point to them. 

But it's still a shit hole, just in a very different way. 

uhh, hold on a minute...

Never mind!

[SmokyDave]

OK fine it isn't black and white.

You guys reading one thread where people are getting called out for a slur is also not representative of what GAF is like in general.   The multiple people continuing to use the slur after being called out are far more representative of what it's like.

To be honest, I'm not that comfortable arguing against you because I've barely browsed the site. I don't doubt that the pendulum has swung in the other direction because it always does. I'm just struggling to imagine Black Chamber finding GAF a worse experience than that he's already had on Reset. I'm not trying to go to bat for a community that I'm not especially familiar with.

Have you checked the politics subforum on there?  That's where a lot of the real nasty shit is.

Nah. I try not to go looking for stupid shit when I'm on familiar ground. I've dealt with a lot of people in my life who are classic racists / bigots and they hold no surprises for me. I can't rehabilitate these cats over the net, only in a pub, so I'd rather not read a bunch of slurs and stupid simplistic thinking.

I think that's why I still look at sites like reset. I expect and hope for more from educated lefties so there's always an eyebrow to raise when their thinking leads to 'trendy' racism or bigotry. There's more for me to learn there.

[BikeJesus]

Thread seemed alright anyone being a proper dick was told to shut up pretty quickly and someone using a slur was instantly told to shut up too,

Maybe the one time this ever happened on modern GAF.

That thread and the forum is full of slurs that go unchallenged.   

Here's the end result of that callout:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/post-261435013

cheeseburger is a fine word. If you want to be word police go to Era.

And they use "troon" all the time too.. like the last page of that thread.

Well when you want to hurt someone, you use language that you think will have that effect. It's like how era is body and lgbt positive, until someone they don't like is overweight, and then it is ok to call them a fat cocksucker.

I have no problem with trans people, but if one of them was hurling verbal abuse at me, I might just hurl some right back.

[joeboy101]

Cyberpunk got a 7/10

Lmao 2020 keeps bringing the hits

https://opencritic.com/game/8525/cyberpunk-2077/reviews

OpenCritic has it at 90. But already ready a couple of 7/10 reviews that definitely were knives out looking for shit. I don’t care, I’m not a fan of dumping on reviewers, not matter how muddle headed they can be.

[bork]

I think that's why I still look at sites like reset. I expect and hope for more from educated lefties so there's always an eyebrow to raise when their thinking leads to 'trendy' racism or bigotry. There's more for me to learn there.

I've learned a lot about financing Nissan Versas for seven years.

[Uncle]

 

[Ghoul]

they're mad as fuck about cyberpunk daring to have a review thread

So we’re just going to ignore all the transphobic bullshit regarding this game?

We don't need two fucking review threads.

Seems like it... this thread shouldn't even exist.

[Nintex]

Cyberpunk got a 7/10

Lmao 2020 keeps bringing the hits

https://opencritic.com/game/8525/cyberpunk-2077/reviews

OpenCritic has it at 90. But already ready a couple of 7/10 reviews that definitely were knives out looking for shit. I don’t care, I’m not a fan of dumping on reviewers, not matter how muddle headed they can be.

It's more the bugs and story that are weighing it down.
Some reviewers take that into account others sort of look past it.
Those that punish it for the bugs mainly do so because the bugs are everywhere.

Sounds like a great and unique game overall but not 10/10 like Witcher 3 in its current state.

[joeboy101]

they're mad as fuck about cyberpunk daring to have a review thread

So we’re just going to ignore all the transphobic bullshit regarding this game?

We don't need two fucking review threads.

Seems like it... this thread shouldn't even exist.

They just locked the only open one.

[Ghoul]

review thread got locked lmao. They have fun though right?

Staff is currently discussing how Cyberpunk 2077 threads will be handled. Until a decision is made, this thread will be locked.

LMAO. Cyberpunk is breaking these guys, unreal, remember kids Videogame forum.

[joeboy101]

So you can’t even have a CP77 thread there dedicated for live reviews so you can gauge the kind of product being sold.

Amazing.

[paprikastaude]

OK fine it isn't black and white.

You guys reading one thread where people are getting called out for a slur is also not representative of what GAF is like in general.   The multiple people continuing to use the slur after being called out are far more representative of what it's like.

Just search the forum for "cheeseburger" or "Troon" and you will literally see that the callout in that Resetera thread is the only time anyone is arguing it's a word you shouldn't use lol  I searched back 6 pages of "cheeseburger" search results and it's literally the only example.

They are hoping for a resetera exodus and Tyler is doing that "lets appear like we aren't so extreme" thing in that thread, meanwhile the shit he lets fly literally everywhere else on the forum is worse shit.

tbf who cares, no one here is even denying the horrendous people on NuGAF. But your subsequent relativization of resetti is idiotic - even if you want to handwave the Cyberpunk fallout as simple internet drama (although it includes near doxxing). On top of last page is a reminder that resetti had no problem bullying a suicide victim like Etika, because he said a bad word once. Then continue with victim blaming after his death, like with the other youtube guy who died of brain cancer but dared to say sjdoublew several years back.

i.e. resetti equally includes many undeniably sick, heinous morons. Practically a real life version of fucking South Park.



Also I'm no resetti, so I'm not categorizing you for finding that forum okay to post in, but at your bullshit 'exaggeration' argument, while this is not only a shitpost thread, but their insanity couldn't be clearer than right now.

[maninthemirror]

The forum is dead. The biggest game launch of the winter and era toxicity is rampant

[joeboy101]

Staff is re-evaluating how Cyberpunk 2077 threads will be handled. Until a decision is made, this thread will be locked.

I can’t fucking wait.

[maninthemirror]

The transera cult have literally held a gaming forum hostage. 95% of gamers don’t care they want to play the game. Era is killing itself with giving summits and powers and politicizing every game

[Averon]

They are raging that users are even able to talk about the reviews. And they are attacking the mods...again, despite the mods giving into their every demand. 

[Don Rumata]

Cyberpunk got a 7/10

Lmao 2020 keeps bringing the hits

https://opencritic.com/game/8525/cyberpunk-2077/reviews

OpenCritic has it at 90. But already ready a couple of 7/10 reviews that definitely were knives out looking for shit. I don’t care, I’m not a fan of dumping on reviewers, not matter how muddle headed they can be.

It's more the bugs and story that are weighing it down.
Some reviewers take that into account others sort of look past it.
Those that punish it for the bugs mainly do so because the bugs are everywhere.

Sounds like a great and unique game overall but not 10/10 like Witcher 3 in its current state.

W3 was an antfarm on launch. 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

There goes both review threads

[Nintex]

Soon

"The person that opened the review thread offers a sincere apology to the TransEra community.
He didn't meant to avoid the issues that hurt so many. So he's agreed to a 3 month voluntary ban"

[Yulwei]

  imagine being intimidated by a review thread

[Uncle]

Cyberpunk got a 7/10

Lmao 2020 keeps bringing the hits

https://opencritic.com/game/8525/cyberpunk-2077/reviews

OpenCritic has it at 90. But already ready a couple of 7/10 reviews that definitely were knives out looking for shit. I don’t care, I’m not a fan of dumping on reviewers, not matter how muddle headed they can be.

It's more the bugs and story that are weighing it down.
Some reviewers take that into account others sort of look past it.
Those that punish it for the bugs mainly do so because the bugs are everywhere.

Sounds like a great and unique game overall but not 10/10 like Witcher 3 in its current state.

that just means multiple rounds of significant patches and re-reviews and ongoing debate forever

[Averon]

Both threads are closed for now. Don't let this happen again, mods.

 

Mods are completely cucked 

[Yulwei]

Yet another review thread went up and got locked within 1 minute

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews.339976/

[ShutUp]

Sure, it's feasible
CDPR don't give a shit cause they're deeply bigoted

Please post all the bigotry, Shugga. Gonna take forever since none exists.

[Averon]

B-Dubs needs to put on his big boy pants already and tell TransERA to fuck off already.

[joeboy101]

Three threads locked.

 

[maninthemirror]

Someone created a thread as the default review thread saying only critical of the game reviews should be posted https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews.339976/#post-53393863

That got closed too

[Ghoul]

Yeah I'm watching them high five each other and jerk each other because they deleted the very evil review thread.

[ShutUp]

Both threads are closed for now. Don't let this happen again, mods.

 

Mods are completely cucked 

Any other board and telling the mods what to do would be a ban. 

[maninthemirror]

We are witnessing live the death of a forum in real time. Epic moments

[joeboy101]

Both threads are closed for now. Don't let this happen again, mods.

 

Mods are completely cucked 

They need to start preemptively ban people who might post reviews.

 

[BikeJesus]

Resetera isn't that bad!

Rudy G has covid:

Please die

It’d be great if he died

Die in terror and agony

Nice forum.

[Boredfrom]

Please die Rudy.

[LurkinMerkin]

I'm glad the other threads were locked

Not interested in the game in the slightest, but reading through everything that's happened in the past couple days, it's a good decision. It's the bare minimum, but it's still good.

[Yulwei]

Just ban all Cyberpunk threads and from now on if X game affects X minority group, said minority group should have veto power on everything related to that game here (general discussion, OT, review thread, etc) or even put them in charge of the OT if they want to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-84#post-53394289

 

PLEASE do this 

holy shit that would be amazing 

[Joe Molotov]

Cyberpunk got a 7/10

Lmao 2020 keeps bringing the hits

https://opencritic.com/game/8525/cyberpunk-2077/reviews

OpenCritic has it at 90. But already ready a couple of 7/10 reviews that definitely were knives out looking for shit. I don’t care, I’m not a fan of dumping on reviewers, not matter how muddle headed they can be.

It's more the bugs and story that are weighing it down.
Some reviewers take that into account others sort of look past it.
Those that punish it for the bugs mainly do so because the bugs are everywhere.

Sounds like a great and unique game overall but not 10/10 like Witcher 3 in its current state.

W3 was an antfarm on launch. 

Imagine playing a eurojank RPG and being like "oh no, there are bugs in this game!" 

[Nintex]

Just ban all Cyberpunk threads and from now on if X game affects X minority group, said minority group should have veto power on everything related to that game here (general discussion, OT, review thread, etc) or even put them in charge of the OT if they want to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-84#post-53394289

 

PLEASE do this 

holy shit that would be amazing 

All of you with REE accounts here have been useless.

Now do your duty, quote that with "100%" "YES I ABSOLUTELY AGREE" "We should do this!"

I didn't provide you all burner emails for nothing.

[maninthemirror]

Ok now era mods allow only one review thread to be open and you can only post reviews which criticize it for “transphobia”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews-that-highlight-the-transphobia-issues.339976/

[BIONIC]

[staff] This thread is for reviews that bring attention to the transphobia by CDPR and CP2077. This is not a hype thread and unrelated reviews should not be posted [/staff]

The cuckery on display 

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews-that-highlight-the-transphobia-issues.339976/#post-53394358

Holy fuck!

 

They have GOT to be kidding. 

[Uncle]

Yet another review thread went up and got locked within 1 minute

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews.339976/

The result is that there's a fetishization of trans people at every turn, in a game with only one very minor trans character (that I found, at least) and no way to play as an authentically trans character yourself.

I wonder what does this look like?

I mean you can choose a female voice and be referred to with female pronouns and choose to have a thick beard and masculine physique

or is the "chick with beard" trope an offensive one, and not "authentically trans?"

doesn't being trans mean your brain tells you you're female therefore you present as female?  and in a cyberpunk world, this kind of modification is no problem?

so to play as "authentically trans" wouldn't you just...create a fully female character, and internalize that your character was once treated as male but now is not?  because you'd be indistinguishable from anyone who was born female

[Nintex]

Curious if there will be a second review thread then?

why is one needed?

ANOTHER ONE BOYS!

[nudemacusers]

Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense.

Obviously, I knew nothing about him being a Trumper or anything. But just his past behavior in the past few days was enough outside of that.

In addition, while we members don't have access to ban histories, the staff definitely does? Why was that not checked, at all, any point?

And ban history aside, that still leaves the question of why the concerns of TransEra were completely ignored and the staff gave so much deference and benefit of doubt to this person. Why? Even without their ban history, why put so much weight on them and completely ignore the concerns of TransEra? Why did this one person mean so much to begin with?

And that was of course then, which was scary enough.

But now with hindsight, it's even scarier.

Because why exactly was Black Chamber making so many threads on Cyberpunk, why did they want to be the face of the OT, why did they have their own discord, why did they ignore the concerns of transgender members in the OT instead of just saying that a paragraph was supposedly planned to be in an OT all along?

Because with all these revelations about them being a Trumper and not giving a fuck and all that, it seems pretty clear: they were indeed doing every bit of it on purpose, almost certainly to deliberately stoke hostilities against the transgender community here.

Because think about it.

We know they're a Trumper and they don't give a fuck.

And due to people like Android Sophia we knew there was indeed intended to be a paragraph to support transgender members in the actual OT supposedly.

But that's something Black Chamber themselves refused to say and just beat around the bush on.

Why?

Knowing they're a Trumper, it makes perfect sense.

The whole goal along all along was to foster hostilities against the transgender community here.

And just looking at the reactions in the Night City Wire OT, with how many people he had on his side on singing and his praises and all that, he got pretty damn close to doing just that.

Not just close.

Since transgender members have actually left the site due to all this, you could even say he was successful in that goal.

And that's disgusting and unacceptable.

Because the staff had multiple points they could have put a stop to all of this, even before his history came out.

He made a gameplan, to play the longgame, and the sad thing is, despite being permed, he still won, by creating those schisms and getting multiple transgender members of the community to leave, and that's purely on the staff for not nipping it in the bud and actually taking the time to listen to the transgender community, ban history or no ban history, tweets or no tweets, or whatever.

They could have just listened to the concerns of the transgender community, instead of putting the interests of some nobody OT-starter and making backroom deals with them instead and putting all of that above the transgender community.

They could have just checked their own fucking backlogs.

They could have done so many things, but they failed to do each and every one of them.

There were so many things that could have been done.

So many. But they failed at every point instead.

There was a point I trusted the staff. The staff themselves can vouch for this if they have access to my post report history because for a while, I made a point of trying to remember to thank them for their hard work whenever I reported a post. I didn't always remember to do that. But I tried my best.

But those days are gone.

Because this is a fuckup beyond fuckups.

All trust I have for the staff of this site is completely gone.

Just zip. Zero. Zilch.

Because even before their actual history came out, there were still so many points, so many opportunities to avoid every bit of this.

But none of them were taken and Black Chamber was given the benefit of the doubt over the transgender community, all their suspicions and misgivings, everything.

And that's something I can not easily forget or forgive.

THAT SAID, I am thankful and very appreciative for being unbanned early. I truly do appreciate that.

But in the name of full transparency, I feel like I have to share the ban appeal tickets I made while I was banned, which I never got a single response to on any single one of them, and which I do feel, especially collectively, do a very good job of summing up why this was all handled so terribly, even without knowing about any of Black Chamber's ban history or tweets or anything and I just wouldn't feel right if this wasn't shared for all to see, as yeah, it really demonstrates how I feel and why this was so badly handled, revealing ban history or tweets or no (dashes indicate the end of one post I made in my ban appeal and the start of another new post in the appeal ticket):

And I do realize there is indeed some hostility in what I'm about to quote. But I hope that can be forgiven because this was originally written in the context of a ban appeal thread and is just me quoting it verbatim, with nothing hidden because I don't want to hide that and the whole point is honesty and transparency here, so I hope that can be understood in that context and not lead to anything or be taken outside of the context of a then-banned member naturally being frustrated at their situation and being powerless to change what was happening and going on outside in the forum while they were banned, desperately wanting to say so, SO very much and just not being able and being tremendously frustrated by what I was seeing and reading and not being able to do anything about that, and so yeah, I hope it can be understood in that context.

With that said, here's everything I said in my ban appeal thread for my situation:

"
Hello. ShironRedshift. I'd like to appeal my ban. Well, no. I'm not sure you can call this a ban appeal exactly. Because I know what I did was wrong and crossed the line. I fully admitted that when I made the posts I did.

However, I nonetheless want the staff to hear my side and how it feels like your leaving minority members like me with no options. That no matter which option we choose, civility, hostility, or anywhere between, that they're ALL bad and ALL lead to negative consequences in their own way.

But like I said in later posts in the same thread, it's a case of learned helplessness.

That civility has gotten nowhere. That the whole point of keeping the threads on Cyberpunk open, according to the mods, was to among other things help to educate others on transgender issues.

But not only has that not happened, but the whole disagreement that lead into the confrontation that lead to be getting banned in the first place was, nevermind the subject of education in general, it didn't even touch on that, but it all started with a dispute with rather a single paragraph, a single paragraph was too much or not.

Which, as it turns out, the plan was to include that paragraph...?

But the person who will be the OP of the thread denied that for reasons unknown and strung them along for no discernible reason in that case and just increased hostilities all around.

Many tried to be more civil than me in the initial (locked) thread that ultimately lead to nothing. Just more dismissive responses, as has been the case since this whole saga with this game began.

Which then lead to me seeing that, seeing so many wonderful people trying their best to be so incredibly, incredibly patient, and it not working and them only being dismissed. That even if the mods indeed banned many of the offenders, many more just came to replace them in return. Certainly no learning was happening.

Which in turn lead to my hostile response. Which I knew wouldn't fix anything either. Which I knew would lead to be being banned as I said, so I can't truly complain.

But at the same time, what was I to do?

Civility is a complete failure that lead to nothing.

And hostility obviously is also nonetheless both wrong and lead to people such as myself being banned.

And then of course there's the option of just doing nothing.

But that just leads to a feeling of learned helplessness, uselessness, and depression, things I certainly don't need more of as I already struggle with social anxiety and depression and mental illness.

Just all options are bad in their own way.

Be civil? Nothing changes, and we keep going in circles.

Get hostile, and vent some of my true feelings? I get banned.

Give into helplessness? My anxiety and depression goes into overdrive?

What are people like me SUPPOSED TO DO?

Like, I'm honestly asking here.

I know what I said and did was wrong and crossed the line.

But civility was not working (and clearly continues to work, as the person I believe I was believe the person I responded to got a lesser ban for me and will potentially still share a role in creating the Cyberpunk OT despite their own ban, so what exactly does that say about where civility gets you in matters of transphobia and the like? That as long as your civil about and do it in a polite way you'll be comparatively rewarded? Surely that can't be the intended message, but it's the message that's sent regardless of whether it's intended or not).

And obviously hostility just leads to stuff like my own ban.

And doing nothing and just sitting passively while this goes on does nothing for my anxiety and depression?

So what is the answer?

Because I've got nothing.

Like I said, I can't honestly say this is an appeal for my ban, because I knew what would happen when I made that post and knew the risks.

But I don't know what in the world I'm supposed to do, because every possible option is bad, so that being the case, being surrounded by a variety of bad options, I just picked the bad option that would at least let me vent my feelings.

That's not a defense. I know it's not.

But this is a subject that needs to be handled better in general, is what I am saying I suppose.

How, I'm not sure.

But certainly it needs to be handled better than a way that only gives minority members such as myself 3 options (1. Be civil to our abusers while they're abusing us and maybe they're banned, maybe they're not, either way only to be replaced by others who don't care and go back to square one 2.) Vent our true feelings and get banned for it or 3.) Just be quiet and silent and give into learned helplessness and depression).

None of those options are good. Not a single one of them.

But as far as I can see it, those are the only three options minority members have.

Like, I'm not good at this type of thing (likely in part because of my social anxiety and autism, and like, I've mentioned this before I believe in certain post reports and stuff, that I myself used to be a moderator of a global large forum when I was a teenager, NarutoFan forums, around like, god, like 2007 or 2008, when Naruto was pretty much at the peak of its popularity, and I pretty much gave that power away and switched into being in the "Advisor" role for inactive staff precisely because among other things I realized I was no good at it and definitely didn't have the answers, so I'm certainly not one to give advice.

And bans in particular even then were one of the trickiest subjects that gave me the most anxiety even back then, because judging what crossed the line and what didn't and if it did cross the line exactly how much time it deserves and how stuff like prior bans should factor in or signs of changed behavior and so many other things, even with an entire mods-only board to discuss exactly that type of thing, there's just so many factors to consider that among the things that gave me the most anxiety about being a global moderator, bans were definitely at the top of the list and I was terrified of screwing them up.

But anyway, the point being, that having been there, I realize precisely how difficult being a moderator and making these decisions are, how it's just so very much incredibly gray so many times and there are no easy answers and it's just a bunch of unpaid people trying their best to make due with something incredibly stressful and not having any type of instruction manual and just trying to do their best. I feel that so much, having been in that position once upon a time on a site that, god, I can't remember how many active users it had at that time, but it had to at least rival this if not exceed it.

But at the same time, the status quo certainly cannot stand.

Because it only leaves minority members such as transgender individuals with three options, which all suck:

1.) Be civil to their oppressors and just wait for the mods to ban them, which the staff does a good job of doing, but doesn't do anything to make up for the hurt caused by them in the meantime and also doesn't take away from how for how each one that's banned, two more seem to crawl out of nowhere, just making the whole approach incredibly frustrating, when it's certainly not being met in return with civility and doesn't seem to lead to many of the promised opportunities for learning and growth.

2.) Let some of our true feelings flow and basically, in, uh, less than polite language, tell them to get lost, which just leads to we ourselves getting banned.

3.) Doing nothing. Which is just the thing. Nothing. And by it's very nature, changes nothing. Leading to stuff like feelings of learned helplessness, feelings of not belonging or not being cared about, feelings of anxiety or depression, and so forth.

None of these are good options, but they seem to be the only three on the table.

And that's what I'm asking to change.

I don't know how. Like I said, I've been in the position of being a global moderator in the past. I don't envy it. That's part of why I left, so I know it's kind of hypocritical for someone like me to ask for answers I couldn't find and just ran away from.

But nonetheless, I suppose this isn't so much an appeal for my ban, but for the sake of the transgender community, among so many communities on the site, such as AsianEra and what they're dealing with in the Monster Hunter threads and such (like even with Capcom itself admitting fault while trying to pass the blame and the movie itself potentially being banned in China, still trying to deny the racism. And of course they get banned, which is great, but that doesn't change how much hurt those posts cause in the first place, especially since it's the same problem of basically playing whack-a-mole), that something needs to change.

I don't know what those answers are.

And I really have no right to ask the staff to figure out stuff that I couldn't and ran away from myself when I was a mod (for much lesser problems in my case, because it wasn't even anything like transphobia or stuff like that I was fearful over how long to ban people over, but just your run of the mill flamewars over people getting to angry and hostile over who the best character in the series is and stuff like that and attacking each other over having the "wrong" opinion, just stuff like that was too much with my social anxiety).

Nonetheless, while I don't have the answers, I know this can't be sustained. So I'm using the opportunity hear to ask the mods to do just that. Because while I don't have the answers, the status quo can't go on, that's for sure.

Thank you for your time, and have a wonderful day.

REAL NAME CENSORED

AKA ShironRedshift (and in the NarutoFan days aka Shiron and MeijinNoKori and IceMasterHitsugayaKun and Payaso Coronado along with a bunch of other names I've forgotten)

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And I'd like to append this. Just look at what in the world happened when the Night City Wire thread was unlocked:

Post after post thanking the person who made a mockery of transgender member's concerns, apparently planning the whole time to have the paragraph they wanted in the OP while at the same time not just saying that and letting hostilities rise for no reason.

That person is getting post after post of thanks with no mention of transgender member concerns whatsoever:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
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If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
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etc.

These people are being "civil" but their civility is a direct insult to transgender members of the community, especially with no acknowledgment of what happened and how it affected transgender members, just "thanks" all the same.

And since that's "civil" that's apparently fine.

What in the world are transgender and other minority members supposed to do with that?

Like I said previously, it just feels like there's no winning move.

You try to be civil in return, you get dismissed as complaining over as nothing.

You get hostile, you yourself get banned.

Or you give into learned helplessness in some way or another.

This has to change.

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And this is all the more insulting when Black Chamber himself didn't even apologize and this was his first response:

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If the impressions are true, then the patches pre-release + day 1 should fix the bugs, and press normally gets access to special builds with these patches applied. In 2 years time, an unpatched (or day1) version of the game will look a mess compared to where we end up, it’s just the nature of...
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No acknowledgment of wrongdoing or any harm to the transgender community, just thanking people for supporting him for no fucking reason. While more "thanks" posts flood in:

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you can't sit in every chair or bench. Small touches that lend to imersion aren;t there apparently. Ah I see, thanks. Maybe one for a future patch but don’t see it knocking any pints off the MC
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Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Like seriously. That's a fuckton of posts.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY GOT!

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE POSTS IN SUPPORT OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, THAT AREN'T COMING FROM THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY THEMSELVES?

Whereas people are just flooding into that thread, just flooding in to thank Black Chamber .

How is that supposed to make transgender members of the community feel appreciated, or safe, at all?

What message does that send?

Like seriously. Just think about this from the perspective of a transgender member.

The trans community is getting next to no support whereas person after person after person is flooding into to support Black Chamber in particular without even the slightest acknowledgment of what happened.

Part of the reason the OT was supposed to be allowed to be open was so that transgender members could address their concerns.

Even if they are indeed allowed to do that, they're clearly being ignored and falling on completely deaf ears.

If that isn't a demonstration of that, well, I can't think of anything that could possibly be more clear.

Whatever experiment the staff was trying with the Cyberpunk threads has been a complete failure that just allows people to be "civilly" disrespectful to transgender members of the community with no consequence, whereas there's nothing they can do about it.

That's not how things should be.

Not remotely close.

Again, whatever experiment was being tried is clearly a complete failure at this point, I don't see how one can draw any other conclusion in good faith.

I'm not sure what the answer is at this point, I'm not an answer person as I said, but if anything this has made me more convinced then ever that Cyberpunk should not be allowed any form of Review thread or OT thread WHATSOEVER, because after so many floods of posts like that, a complete deluge of posts, what's the point?

What does the staff expect to happen at this point?

Please, I'm not asking to be unbanned.

I'm asking for the staff to reconsider their policy on Cyberpunk getting an OT.

Because it's more clear than ever whatever experiment was being tried is a complete failure and is only driving members away.

So please, for the sake of the community, so people can feel safe, I'm begging you, honestly begging you, to reconsider.

No game is worth that.

Or at least no game should be.

Please, just put a stop to it.

Please.

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And it just continues to be a complete trainwreck, with so many members complaining about "dogpiling" while not giving a single fuck about the transgender community and how they're being harmed:

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ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
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ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
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ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
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Not a word of concern for transgender members. It's all about dogpiling the poor, poor OP.

This is not sustainable. This does no one any good.

At this point, it's very clear that unfortunately it's between this game and the transgender community.

And I hope the staff does the right thing and picks the community, and tells anyone who has a problem with that to get lost.

But either way, this cannot last or be sustained. Things need to change because it's disgusting how the transgender community is being thrown under the bus for an OP the vast majority of people defending him of course don't actually know, but care about infinitely more than the transgender community, because ?

The experiment has failed, and something needs to change.

Please.

Please.

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To add one more thing to this, in addition to the whole subject of transphobia, I have to admit one more particular reason this bothers me is because of a particular mistake I made while I was a global mod/advisor of the NarutoFan forums.

While I was active there, one of the things that happened was legal Crunchyroll fansubs popped up for Naruto for the first time.

But of course not only that. At the same time, for lack of a better term, a "bootleg" group called BakaSubs I believe also popped up, whose whole thing was somehow managing to get access to Crunchyroll's fansubs before they actually went live, and releasing them early, through torrents and the like, while pretty much claiming them as their own work and getting internet fame off releasing other people's work, legal work, early.

Seeing this, I so badly wanted to bring up the idea of completely banning discussion/leaks to BakaSubs because fansubs were bad enough and still a thing at the time, but those were stolen official subs, and there was no reason for there to be links for them period instead of telling them to wait.

Moreover, because there were legal versions of subs, that is, Crunchryroll's actual stuff, I also pondered whether links to fansubs should be allowed at all.

Because yes, for most me, Crunchyroll's fansubs would be a week behind the Japanese release.

But it was still a legal way of watching the series, with no consequences.

So I so desperately wanted to bring up the discussion of banning not only links to BakaSubs, but banning links to Naruto fansubs in the Anime section period, as they were not only still obviously illegal but completely unnecessary and if someone can't wait one week, just one goddamn week, well, they can get fucked at that point, was my thought process.

But due to a combination of my social anxiety, being scared that I would be laughed out of the room, and knowing that even if the mod team somehow did agree with me and hear me out, Tazmo (the owner of both the forums and the main site at the time) would still have links to fansubs on the main site regardless gave me so much pause I never so much as actually broached the subject.

And this is all something that went down over 10 years ago at this point.

But I still regret not brining it up, because, well, of course, even bringing up the subject would have been a scary change from the status quo of weekly threads for that stuff and there's no way of knowing if I would have just been laughed out of the room, and even if I weren't, how such change would be received.

To put it in short, I know the thoughts going through my head were the right thing to do but my social anxiety and fear of change just made me do nothing and let problems like that continue to fester instead.

And my choice of inaction, not knowing what happens if I would have acted differently, if even if I hadn't fought against fansubs in general and the hard work put in the animation team, if I had at least stuck up for the hard work of the people working for Crunchyroll at the very least instead of passively letting thread after thread be made for BakaSubs each week instead and let them get credit for stealing their work just because they released it earlier...

It still haunts me from time to time, even all this time later, how things might be different had I at least opened my mouth and got a discussion going in the modroom.

The point of this whole diatribe?

I don't want anyone on the staff on the site to make the same type of mistakes I made, to potentially have the same regrets over inaction that I do even years after the fact. The wondering if they did the right thing or not. The wondering if they could have done something more.

Because that stuff doesn't go away, even years after you stop visiting a site like that.

At least it doesn't for me.

Because yeah, I can only speak to my personal case. But in that case, a decade later, those regrets and doubts and questions still linger.

And in my case, that's just over stuff about how we should handle a very particular type of illegal content on a fansite.

That ain't even touching on subjects like transphobia, attacks on people who they are as human beings which they have absolutely no control over. Something that has a very real affect on many members of the community's mental well being and sense of safety.

So yeah, the points of all that being, if I still have regrets over not speaking up over BakaSubs and perhaps fansubs in general on the fansite I moderated over a decade ago, I can't imagine how heavily some of the decisions that have to be made, one way or the one, are weighing on the staff right now, because if what I went through wasn't easy, I can't begin to imagine how the decisions on what to do or not do or whatever about this situation is

But the point being that whatever is decided, make sure it's something that you won't have any regrets over.

Because whether it's a decision I agree with or not, I don't want any of the staff to go through what I did and have regrets about doing the right thing or not, regrets about being silent when you should have spoken up, or anything like that.

Even if it's not what I and others want to hear, I want to make sure that whatever decision is made is one that will allow for no regrets, because doing otherwise just isn't worth it.

So please. I know you probably don't need to hear any of this from me, and might even find this condescending, and I don't blame you if so, but I suppose this is a case of me myself not wanting to have any further regrets than I already do and not wanting to repeat the mistakes I personally made in the past, and not speak up when I could have.

Because the only way to know how things will go is if you do indeed speak up. Nothing starts until then.

As one of my favorite video game quotes go,

"Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere"

"Not even Jupiter can find a lost opportunity."

So please, whatever you do decide, don't let this be your own lost opportunity.

And that's all I want to say for now I guess.

Be well.

ShironRedshift.

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I just have to say, I'm furious about the latest developments with Black Chamber.

Why the fuck DO THEY GET TO SELF-REQUEST THEIR BAN?

WHY DID THE MOD TEAM NOT CHOOSE TO BAN THEM THEMSELVES?

AND WHY DID THEY SEEM TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THEIR BAN LENGTH AND TIME IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESUMABLY STILL LET THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OT?

WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ACCOMPLISH?

Like, you saw what happened earlier, when the thread was locked? Upon the thread being unlocked, they were immediately treated like a martyr just for the thread being locked:

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If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
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If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

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If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

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Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Like, seriously. THAT'S what happened just with a thread being temporarily locked.

If they're indeed the OT for the thread, what in the world do you think will happen if they are indeed the OP of the thread, especially considering the ban is apparently self-requested on the part of Black Chamber instead of being actual staff action.

They'll be hailed as a larger martyr even more so than ever when they come back.

This in no way helps the transgender community.

This is clearly Black Chamber seeing the hero's welcome they got for a thread being LOCKED for a tiny period of time for all things, and using that as a chance to get the same hero's welcome in a month's time.

This is something the mods should have done THEMSELVES, NOT VOLUNTARING IN A PERSON WHO'S ALEADY WRONGED THE TRANGENDER COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN MORE OF A MARTYR.

And to put a cap on it all, if it was truly wrong what Black Chamber did, why did he have to volunteer to be banned?

Why did the staff not ban him of their own volition?

The staff might be oblivious to it, but after the reaction they got from a thread being locked of all things, it's just a very transparent attempt at making himself a martyr, and it's disgusting to see the staff go along with it instead of just banning him outright and remove OT privileges.

Like, seriously, if you ignore everything else, just look at the response Black Chamber got from a thread being LOCKED OF ALL THINGS.

Look at those posts I linked. Look at them.

And then take a second thought about why someone like that might want to suddenly take a self-ban, instead of, y'know, just being outright banned from the staff.

Whether it's intentional or not, you're walking into dangerous territory. And I can't say I'm a fan of that.

It might be well-intentioned on the part of the staff, but this is not the way this should be handled.

At all.

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Like seriously, this is beyond insane at this point.

By Android Sophia's own admittance:

CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.
These chuds and others like them spend their entire life day-in-day-out obsessing over us. Best not to pay them that much mind. Yup. Living rent-free in many places.
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Communications were held with Black Chamber to arrive at this "resolution" of sorts.

But were any communications at all, a single one, held with the transgender community over this, the very people he hurt?

Because it sure doesn't seem like there were any.

Why does he get to talk to staff and decide his own "punishment" of sorts?

Why were the transgender community not involved whatsoever?

And on top of that, like I said, just looking at how the thread reacted when it was reopened after briefly being locked and him getting a hero's welcome just for that of all things, how can you possibly think this is a good situation no matter how you slice it?

I was already disappointed with the staff over this, and I only get more and more so as this continues.

Because how is someone like myself, or the transgender community supposed to interpret this or read into this?

That you reached out to Black Chamber in private but had no communications with the transgender community whatsoever, no public ones or anything obvious anyway?

How is that supposed to be interpreted other than the staff caring more about Black Chamber / Cyberpunk more than the transgender community that this is apparently the way things went down?

Like I've said, I've just continued to get more and more disappointed in the staff in this goes on and this doesn't help.

Please, PLEASE reconsider what you're doing here.

Please consider why you reached out to Black Chamber but not the transgender community.

Please consider the hero's welcome Black Chamber got for a thread being locked for a few hours and think about what will happen when he comes back from a self-chosen ban after a month.

Please, please think all this through again.

Because even if this is being done with the best of intentions, regardless of what those intentions may be or how well they may be intentioned, this will not help things and only make things worse.

So please reconsider this approach.

For the sake of the transgender community, and the site as a whole.

Please.

Please.

Don't let things go like this. Nothing good will come of it. The reactions from the thread being locked already demonstrate that.

Please don't repeat what's already failed.

Please, please listen, even though as a currently banned member, I know I have no right to ask that and especially to keep hounding you with messages like this.

But regardless, the point being, no matter how good the intentions of the staff may be here, this will not end well and will not help so I beg for some reconsideration on this matter.

Please.

Please.

Thank you for your time.

ShironRedshift"
 

Great post, read every word of it.

+1

just want to say i've started reading this post and will reply to specific paragraphs at a later date.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Literally the reason "transera" knew something was 'off' with black chamber was because he acted as though their insane demands were in any way reasonable and he offered no push back because he just wanted to talk about a game he was hyped for.

Even the fuckers making the demands know they're full of shit.
The mods know they're full of shit.
All the ususal 'allies' who love a good trolling banprotected dogpile like shugga / messofanego / zeovgm / mekanos / indy in the fridge / surfinn know they're full of shit.

Its just a dick swinging exercise to rub the mods impotence in their face when 'special interests' decide to play up, and also remind the hoi palloi that some members are more prominent than others.

[Joe Molotov]

Ok now era mods allow only one review thread to be open and you can only post reviews which criticize it for “transphobia”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-reviews-that-highlight-the-transphobia-issues.339976/

I've offered an alternative approach.

To be clear: they absolutely shouldn't take it. There should be no fucking review thread. And entire point of review threads needs to be reworked across the board because they inherently encourage some of the worst parts of this site's culture. But if you can't do that much, if there really needs to be a review thread, that's my suggestion for what the thread should be.

EDIT: I did not think they would immediately call my bluff.

bad faith posting?

[Yulwei]

  oh my god what the fuck is that bible you just quoted

[Nintex]

why is one needed?

Presumably because people do want to discuss a major new video game release on a video game discussion forum.

Another secret Trumper, ban this filth! he does not adress THE ISSUES!!!!

[Rahxephon91]

I don't know. Pretty much every GAF gaming thread is filled with "why can't games just be games" people where that mantra eventually leads to other thinly vield pretty shitty posts.

[nudemacusers]

oh my god what the fuck is that bible you just quoted

for clarity are you referring to this post?

Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense.

Obviously, I knew nothing about him being a Trumper or anything. But just his past behavior in the past few days was enough outside of that.

In addition, while we members don't have access to ban histories, the staff definitely does? Why was that not checked, at all, any point?

And ban history aside, that still leaves the question of why the concerns of TransEra were completely ignored and the staff gave so much deference and benefit of doubt to this person. Why? Even without their ban history, why put so much weight on them and completely ignore the concerns of TransEra? Why did this one person mean so much to begin with?

And that was of course then, which was scary enough.

But now with hindsight, it's even scarier.

Because why exactly was Black Chamber making so many threads on Cyberpunk, why did they want to be the face of the OT, why did they have their own discord, why did they ignore the concerns of transgender members in the OT instead of just saying that a paragraph was supposedly planned to be in an OT all along?

Because with all these revelations about them being a Trumper and not giving a fuck and all that, it seems pretty clear: they were indeed doing every bit of it on purpose, almost certainly to deliberately stoke hostilities against the transgender community here.

Because think about it.

We know they're a Trumper and they don't give a fuck.

And due to people like Android Sophia we knew there was indeed intended to be a paragraph to support transgender members in the actual OT supposedly.

But that's something Black Chamber themselves refused to say and just beat around the bush on.

Why?

Knowing they're a Trumper, it makes perfect sense.

The whole goal along all along was to foster hostilities against the transgender community here.

And just looking at the reactions in the Night City Wire OT, with how many people he had on his side on singing and his praises and all that, he got pretty damn close to doing just that.

Not just close.

Since transgender members have actually left the site due to all this, you could even say he was successful in that goal.

And that's disgusting and unacceptable.

Because the staff had multiple points they could have put a stop to all of this, even before his history came out.

He made a gameplan, to play the longgame, and the sad thing is, despite being permed, he still won, by creating those schisms and getting multiple transgender members of the community to leave, and that's purely on the staff for not nipping it in the bud and actually taking the time to listen to the transgender community, ban history or no ban history, tweets or no tweets, or whatever.

They could have just listened to the concerns of the transgender community, instead of putting the interests of some nobody OT-starter and making backroom deals with them instead and putting all of that above the transgender community.

They could have just checked their own fucking backlogs.

They could have done so many things, but they failed to do each and every one of them.

There were so many things that could have been done.

So many. But they failed at every point instead.

There was a point I trusted the staff. The staff themselves can vouch for this if they have access to my post report history because for a while, I made a point of trying to remember to thank them for their hard work whenever I reported a post. I didn't always remember to do that. But I tried my best.

But those days are gone.

Because this is a fuckup beyond fuckups.

All trust I have for the staff of this site is completely gone.

Just zip. Zero. Zilch.

Because even before their actual history came out, there were still so many points, so many opportunities to avoid every bit of this.

But none of them were taken and Black Chamber was given the benefit of the doubt over the transgender community, all their suspicions and misgivings, everything.

And that's something I can not easily forget or forgive.

THAT SAID, I am thankful and very appreciative for being unbanned early. I truly do appreciate that.

But in the name of full transparency, I feel like I have to share the ban appeal tickets I made while I was banned, which I never got a single response to on any single one of them, and which I do feel, especially collectively, do a very good job of summing up why this was all handled so terribly, even without knowing about any of Black Chamber's ban history or tweets or anything and I just wouldn't feel right if this wasn't shared for all to see, as yeah, it really demonstrates how I feel and why this was so badly handled, revealing ban history or tweets or no (dashes indicate the end of one post I made in my ban appeal and the start of another new post in the appeal ticket):

And I do realize there is indeed some hostility in what I'm about to quote. But I hope that can be forgiven because this was originally written in the context of a ban appeal thread and is just me quoting it verbatim, with nothing hidden because I don't want to hide that and the whole point is honesty and transparency here, so I hope that can be understood in that context and not lead to anything or be taken outside of the context of a then-banned member naturally being frustrated at their situation and being powerless to change what was happening and going on outside in the forum while they were banned, desperately wanting to say so, SO very much and just not being able and being tremendously frustrated by what I was seeing and reading and not being able to do anything about that, and so yeah, I hope it can be understood in that context.

With that said, here's everything I said in my ban appeal thread for my situation:

"
Hello. ShironRedshift. I'd like to appeal my ban. Well, no. I'm not sure you can call this a ban appeal exactly. Because I know what I did was wrong and crossed the line. I fully admitted that when I made the posts I did.

However, I nonetheless want the staff to hear my side and how it feels like your leaving minority members like me with no options. That no matter which option we choose, civility, hostility, or anywhere between, that they're ALL bad and ALL lead to negative consequences in their own way.

But like I said in later posts in the same thread, it's a case of learned helplessness.

That civility has gotten nowhere. That the whole point of keeping the threads on Cyberpunk open, according to the mods, was to among other things help to educate others on transgender issues.

But not only has that not happened, but the whole disagreement that lead into the confrontation that lead to be getting banned in the first place was, nevermind the subject of education in general, it didn't even touch on that, but it all started with a dispute with rather a single paragraph, a single paragraph was too much or not.

Which, as it turns out, the plan was to include that paragraph...?

But the person who will be the OP of the thread denied that for reasons unknown and strung them along for no discernible reason in that case and just increased hostilities all around.

Many tried to be more civil than me in the initial (locked) thread that ultimately lead to nothing. Just more dismissive responses, as has been the case since this whole saga with this game began.

Which then lead to me seeing that, seeing so many wonderful people trying their best to be so incredibly, incredibly patient, and it not working and them only being dismissed. That even if the mods indeed banned many of the offenders, many more just came to replace them in return. Certainly no learning was happening.

Which in turn lead to my hostile response. Which I knew wouldn't fix anything either. Which I knew would lead to be being banned as I said, so I can't truly complain.

But at the same time, what was I to do?

Civility is a complete failure that lead to nothing.

And hostility obviously is also nonetheless both wrong and lead to people such as myself being banned.

And then of course there's the option of just doing nothing.

But that just leads to a feeling of learned helplessness, uselessness, and depression, things I certainly don't need more of as I already struggle with social anxiety and depression and mental illness.

Just all options are bad in their own way.

Be civil? Nothing changes, and we keep going in circles.

Get hostile, and vent some of my true feelings? I get banned.

Give into helplessness? My anxiety and depression goes into overdrive?

What are people like me SUPPOSED TO DO?

Like, I'm honestly asking here.

I know what I said and did was wrong and crossed the line.

But civility was not working (and clearly continues to work, as the person I believe I was believe the person I responded to got a lesser ban for me and will potentially still share a role in creating the Cyberpunk OT despite their own ban, so what exactly does that say about where civility gets you in matters of transphobia and the like? That as long as your civil about and do it in a polite way you'll be comparatively rewarded? Surely that can't be the intended message, but it's the message that's sent regardless of whether it's intended or not).

And obviously hostility just leads to stuff like my own ban.

And doing nothing and just sitting passively while this goes on does nothing for my anxiety and depression?

So what is the answer?

Because I've got nothing.

Like I said, I can't honestly say this is an appeal for my ban, because I knew what would happen when I made that post and knew the risks.

But I don't know what in the world I'm supposed to do, because every possible option is bad, so that being the case, being surrounded by a variety of bad options, I just picked the bad option that would at least let me vent my feelings.

That's not a defense. I know it's not.

But this is a subject that needs to be handled better in general, is what I am saying I suppose.

How, I'm not sure.

But certainly it needs to be handled better than a way that only gives minority members such as myself 3 options (1. Be civil to our abusers while they're abusing us and maybe they're banned, maybe they're not, either way only to be replaced by others who don't care and go back to square one 2.) Vent our true feelings and get banned for it or 3.) Just be quiet and silent and give into learned helplessness and depression).

None of those options are good. Not a single one of them.

But as far as I can see it, those are the only three options minority members have.

Like, I'm not good at this type of thing (likely in part because of my social anxiety and autism, and like, I've mentioned this before I believe in certain post reports and stuff, that I myself used to be a moderator of a global large forum when I was a teenager, NarutoFan forums, around like, god, like 2007 or 2008, when Naruto was pretty much at the peak of its popularity, and I pretty much gave that power away and switched into being in the "Advisor" role for inactive staff precisely because among other things I realized I was no good at it and definitely didn't have the answers, so I'm certainly not one to give advice.

And bans in particular even then were one of the trickiest subjects that gave me the most anxiety even back then, because judging what crossed the line and what didn't and if it did cross the line exactly how much time it deserves and how stuff like prior bans should factor in or signs of changed behavior and so many other things, even with an entire mods-only board to discuss exactly that type of thing, there's just so many factors to consider that among the things that gave me the most anxiety about being a global moderator, bans were definitely at the top of the list and I was terrified of screwing them up.

But anyway, the point being, that having been there, I realize precisely how difficult being a moderator and making these decisions are, how it's just so very much incredibly gray so many times and there are no easy answers and it's just a bunch of unpaid people trying their best to make due with something incredibly stressful and not having any type of instruction manual and just trying to do their best. I feel that so much, having been in that position once upon a time on a site that, god, I can't remember how many active users it had at that time, but it had to at least rival this if not exceed it.

But at the same time, the status quo certainly cannot stand.

Because it only leaves minority members such as transgender individuals with three options, which all suck:

1.) Be civil to their oppressors and just wait for the mods to ban them, which the staff does a good job of doing, but doesn't do anything to make up for the hurt caused by them in the meantime and also doesn't take away from how for how each one that's banned, two more seem to crawl out of nowhere, just making the whole approach incredibly frustrating, when it's certainly not being met in return with civility and doesn't seem to lead to many of the promised opportunities for learning and growth.

2.) Let some of our true feelings flow and basically, in, uh, less than polite language, tell them to get lost, which just leads to we ourselves getting banned.

3.) Doing nothing. Which is just the thing. Nothing. And by it's very nature, changes nothing. Leading to stuff like feelings of learned helplessness, feelings of not belonging or not being cared about, feelings of anxiety or depression, and so forth.

None of these are good options, but they seem to be the only three on the table.

And that's what I'm asking to change.

I don't know how. Like I said, I've been in the position of being a global moderator in the past. I don't envy it. That's part of why I left, so I know it's kind of hypocritical for someone like me to ask for answers I couldn't find and just ran away from.

But nonetheless, I suppose this isn't so much an appeal for my ban, but for the sake of the transgender community, among so many communities on the site, such as AsianEra and what they're dealing with in the Monster Hunter threads and such (like even with Capcom itself admitting fault while trying to pass the blame and the movie itself potentially being banned in China, still trying to deny the racism. And of course they get banned, which is great, but that doesn't change how much hurt those posts cause in the first place, especially since it's the same problem of basically playing whack-a-mole), that something needs to change.

I don't know what those answers are.

And I really have no right to ask the staff to figure out stuff that I couldn't and ran away from myself when I was a mod (for much lesser problems in my case, because it wasn't even anything like transphobia or stuff like that I was fearful over how long to ban people over, but just your run of the mill flamewars over people getting to angry and hostile over who the best character in the series is and stuff like that and attacking each other over having the "wrong" opinion, just stuff like that was too much with my social anxiety).

Nonetheless, while I don't have the answers, I know this can't be sustained. So I'm using the opportunity hear to ask the mods to do just that. Because while I don't have the answers, the status quo can't go on, that's for sure.

Thank you for your time, and have a wonderful day.

REAL NAME CENSORED

AKA ShironRedshift (and in the NarutoFan days aka Shiron and MeijinNoKori and IceMasterHitsugayaKun and Payaso Coronado along with a bunch of other names I've forgotten)

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And I'd like to append this. Just look at what in the world happened when the Night City Wire thread was unlocked:

Post after post thanking the person who made a mockery of transgender member's concerns, apparently planning the whole time to have the paragraph they wanted in the OP while at the same time not just saying that and letting hostilities rise for no reason.

That person is getting post after post of thanks with no mention of transgender member concerns whatsoever:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

etc.

These people are being "civil" but their civility is a direct insult to transgender members of the community, especially with no acknowledgment of what happened and how it affected transgender members, just "thanks" all the same.

And since that's "civil" that's apparently fine.

What in the world are transgender and other minority members supposed to do with that?

Like I said previously, it just feels like there's no winning move.

You try to be civil in return, you get dismissed as complaining over as nothing.

You get hostile, you yourself get banned.

Or you give into learned helplessness in some way or another.

This has to change.

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And this is all the more insulting when Black Chamber himself didn't even apologize and this was his first response:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If the impressions are true, then the patches pre-release + day 1 should fix the bugs, and press normally gets access to special builds with these patches applied. In 2 years time, an unpatched (or day1) version of the game will look a mess compared to where we end up, it’s just the nature of...
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No acknowledgment of wrongdoing or any harm to the transgender community, just thanking people for supporting him for no fucking reason. While more "thanks" posts flood in:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
you can't sit in every chair or bench. Small touches that lend to imersion aren;t there apparently. Ah I see, thanks. Maybe one for a future patch but don’t see it knocking any pints off the MC
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Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Like seriously. That's a fuckton of posts.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY GOT!

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE POSTS IN SUPPORT OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, THAT AREN'T COMING FROM THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY THEMSELVES?

Whereas people are just flooding into that thread, just flooding in to thank Black Chamber .

How is that supposed to make transgender members of the community feel appreciated, or safe, at all?

What message does that send?

Like seriously. Just think about this from the perspective of a transgender member.

The trans community is getting next to no support whereas person after person after person is flooding into to support Black Chamber in particular without even the slightest acknowledgment of what happened.

Part of the reason the OT was supposed to be allowed to be open was so that transgender members could address their concerns.

Even if they are indeed allowed to do that, they're clearly being ignored and falling on completely deaf ears.

If that isn't a demonstration of that, well, I can't think of anything that could possibly be more clear.

Whatever experiment the staff was trying with the Cyberpunk threads has been a complete failure that just allows people to be "civilly" disrespectful to transgender members of the community with no consequence, whereas there's nothing they can do about it.

That's not how things should be.

Not remotely close.

Again, whatever experiment was being tried is clearly a complete failure at this point, I don't see how one can draw any other conclusion in good faith.

I'm not sure what the answer is at this point, I'm not an answer person as I said, but if anything this has made me more convinced then ever that Cyberpunk should not be allowed any form of Review thread or OT thread WHATSOEVER, because after so many floods of posts like that, a complete deluge of posts, what's the point?

What does the staff expect to happen at this point?

Please, I'm not asking to be unbanned.

I'm asking for the staff to reconsider their policy on Cyberpunk getting an OT.

Because it's more clear than ever whatever experiment was being tried is a complete failure and is only driving members away.

So please, for the sake of the community, so people can feel safe, I'm begging you, honestly begging you, to reconsider.

No game is worth that.

Or at least no game should be.

Please, just put a stop to it.

Please.

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And it just continues to be a complete trainwreck, with so many members complaining about "dogpiling" while not giving a single fuck about the transgender community and how they're being harmed:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com


Not a word of concern for transgender members. It's all about dogpiling the poor, poor OP.

This is not sustainable. This does no one any good.

At this point, it's very clear that unfortunately it's between this game and the transgender community.

And I hope the staff does the right thing and picks the community, and tells anyone who has a problem with that to get lost.

But either way, this cannot last or be sustained. Things need to change because it's disgusting how the transgender community is being thrown under the bus for an OP the vast majority of people defending him of course don't actually know, but care about infinitely more than the transgender community, because ?

The experiment has failed, and something needs to change.

Please.

Please.

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To add one more thing to this, in addition to the whole subject of transphobia, I have to admit one more particular reason this bothers me is because of a particular mistake I made while I was a global mod/advisor of the NarutoFan forums.

While I was active there, one of the things that happened was legal Crunchyroll fansubs popped up for Naruto for the first time.

But of course not only that. At the same time, for lack of a better term, a "bootleg" group called BakaSubs I believe also popped up, whose whole thing was somehow managing to get access to Crunchyroll's fansubs before they actually went live, and releasing them early, through torrents and the like, while pretty much claiming them as their own work and getting internet fame off releasing other people's work, legal work, early.

Seeing this, I so badly wanted to bring up the idea of completely banning discussion/leaks to BakaSubs because fansubs were bad enough and still a thing at the time, but those were stolen official subs, and there was no reason for there to be links for them period instead of telling them to wait.

Moreover, because there were legal versions of subs, that is, Crunchryroll's actual stuff, I also pondered whether links to fansubs should be allowed at all.

Because yes, for most me, Crunchyroll's fansubs would be a week behind the Japanese release.

But it was still a legal way of watching the series, with no consequences.

So I so desperately wanted to bring up the discussion of banning not only links to BakaSubs, but banning links to Naruto fansubs in the Anime section period, as they were not only still obviously illegal but completely unnecessary and if someone can't wait one week, just one goddamn week, well, they can get fucked at that point, was my thought process.

But due to a combination of my social anxiety, being scared that I would be laughed out of the room, and knowing that even if the mod team somehow did agree with me and hear me out, Tazmo (the owner of both the forums and the main site at the time) would still have links to fansubs on the main site regardless gave me so much pause I never so much as actually broached the subject.

And this is all something that went down over 10 years ago at this point.

But I still regret not brining it up, because, well, of course, even bringing up the subject would have been a scary change from the status quo of weekly threads for that stuff and there's no way of knowing if I would have just been laughed out of the room, and even if I weren't, how such change would be received.

To put it in short, I know the thoughts going through my head were the right thing to do but my social anxiety and fear of change just made me do nothing and let problems like that continue to fester instead.

And my choice of inaction, not knowing what happens if I would have acted differently, if even if I hadn't fought against fansubs in general and the hard work put in the animation team, if I had at least stuck up for the hard work of the people working for Crunchyroll at the very least instead of passively letting thread after thread be made for BakaSubs each week instead and let them get credit for stealing their work just because they released it earlier...

It still haunts me from time to time, even all this time later, how things might be different had I at least opened my mouth and got a discussion going in the modroom.

The point of this whole diatribe?

I don't want anyone on the staff on the site to make the same type of mistakes I made, to potentially have the same regrets over inaction that I do even years after the fact. The wondering if they did the right thing or not. The wondering if they could have done something more.

Because that stuff doesn't go away, even years after you stop visiting a site like that.

At least it doesn't for me.

Because yeah, I can only speak to my personal case. But in that case, a decade later, those regrets and doubts and questions still linger.

And in my case, that's just over stuff about how we should handle a very particular type of illegal content on a fansite.

That ain't even touching on subjects like transphobia, attacks on people who they are as human beings which they have absolutely no control over. Something that has a very real affect on many members of the community's mental well being and sense of safety.

So yeah, the points of all that being, if I still have regrets over not speaking up over BakaSubs and perhaps fansubs in general on the fansite I moderated over a decade ago, I can't imagine how heavily some of the decisions that have to be made, one way or the one, are weighing on the staff right now, because if what I went through wasn't easy, I can't begin to imagine how the decisions on what to do or not do or whatever about this situation is

But the point being that whatever is decided, make sure it's something that you won't have any regrets over.

Because whether it's a decision I agree with or not, I don't want any of the staff to go through what I did and have regrets about doing the right thing or not, regrets about being silent when you should have spoken up, or anything like that.

Even if it's not what I and others want to hear, I want to make sure that whatever decision is made is one that will allow for no regrets, because doing otherwise just isn't worth it.

So please. I know you probably don't need to hear any of this from me, and might even find this condescending, and I don't blame you if so, but I suppose this is a case of me myself not wanting to have any further regrets than I already do and not wanting to repeat the mistakes I personally made in the past, and not speak up when I could have.

Because the only way to know how things will go is if you do indeed speak up. Nothing starts until then.

As one of my favorite video game quotes go,

"Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere"

"Not even Jupiter can find a lost opportunity."

So please, whatever you do decide, don't let this be your own lost opportunity.

And that's all I want to say for now I guess.

Be well.

ShironRedshift.

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I just have to say, I'm furious about the latest developments with Black Chamber.

Why the fuck DO THEY GET TO SELF-REQUEST THEIR BAN?

WHY DID THE MOD TEAM NOT CHOOSE TO BAN THEM THEMSELVES?

AND WHY DID THEY SEEM TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THEIR BAN LENGTH AND TIME IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESUMABLY STILL LET THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OT?

WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ACCOMPLISH?

Like, you saw what happened earlier, when the thread was locked? Upon the thread being unlocked, they were immediately treated like a martyr just for the thread being locked:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Like, seriously. THAT'S what happened just with a thread being temporarily locked.

If they're indeed the OT for the thread, what in the world do you think will happen if they are indeed the OP of the thread, especially considering the ban is apparently self-requested on the part of Black Chamber instead of being actual staff action.

They'll be hailed as a larger martyr even more so than ever when they come back.

This in no way helps the transgender community.

This is clearly Black Chamber seeing the hero's welcome they got for a thread being LOCKED for a tiny period of time for all things, and using that as a chance to get the same hero's welcome in a month's time.

This is something the mods should have done THEMSELVES, NOT VOLUNTARING IN A PERSON WHO'S ALEADY WRONGED THE TRANGENDER COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN MORE OF A MARTYR.

And to put a cap on it all, if it was truly wrong what Black Chamber did, why did he have to volunteer to be banned?

Why did the staff not ban him of their own volition?

The staff might be oblivious to it, but after the reaction they got from a thread being locked of all things, it's just a very transparent attempt at making himself a martyr, and it's disgusting to see the staff go along with it instead of just banning him outright and remove OT privileges.

Like, seriously, if you ignore everything else, just look at the response Black Chamber got from a thread being LOCKED OF ALL THINGS.

Look at those posts I linked. Look at them.

And then take a second thought about why someone like that might want to suddenly take a self-ban, instead of, y'know, just being outright banned from the staff.

Whether it's intentional or not, you're walking into dangerous territory. And I can't say I'm a fan of that.

It might be well-intentioned on the part of the staff, but this is not the way this should be handled.

At all.

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Like seriously, this is beyond insane at this point.

By Android Sophia's own admittance:

CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.
These chuds and others like them spend their entire life day-in-day-out obsessing over us. Best not to pay them that much mind. Yup. Living rent-free in many places.
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Communications were held with Black Chamber to arrive at this "resolution" of sorts.

But were any communications at all, a single one, held with the transgender community over this, the very people he hurt?

Because it sure doesn't seem like there were any.

Why does he get to talk to staff and decide his own "punishment" of sorts?

Why were the transgender community not involved whatsoever?

And on top of that, like I said, just looking at how the thread reacted when it was reopened after briefly being locked and him getting a hero's welcome just for that of all things, how can you possibly think this is a good situation no matter how you slice it?

I was already disappointed with the staff over this, and I only get more and more so as this continues.

Because how is someone like myself, or the transgender community supposed to interpret this or read into this?

That you reached out to Black Chamber in private but had no communications with the transgender community whatsoever, no public ones or anything obvious anyway?

How is that supposed to be interpreted other than the staff caring more about Black Chamber / Cyberpunk more than the transgender community that this is apparently the way things went down?

Like I've said, I've just continued to get more and more disappointed in the staff in this goes on and this doesn't help.

Please, PLEASE reconsider what you're doing here.

Please consider why you reached out to Black Chamber but not the transgender community.

Please consider the hero's welcome Black Chamber got for a thread being locked for a few hours and think about what will happen when he comes back from a self-chosen ban after a month.

Please, please think all this through again.

Because even if this is being done with the best of intentions, regardless of what those intentions may be or how well they may be intentioned, this will not help things and only make things worse.

So please reconsider this approach.

For the sake of the transgender community, and the site as a whole.

Please.

Please.

Don't let things go like this. Nothing good will come of it. The reactions from the thread being locked already demonstrate that.

Please don't repeat what's already failed.

Please, please listen, even though as a currently banned member, I know I have no right to ask that and especially to keep hounding you with messages like this.

But regardless, the point being, no matter how good the intentions of the staff may be here, this will not end well and will not help so I beg for some reconsideration on this matter.

Please.

Please.

Thank you for your time.

ShironRedshift"
 

Great post, read every word of it.

+1

[Propagandhim]

Quit it!  I'm on mobile, you cretins.   

[Nintex]

Just want to confirm my understanding. We're only allowing reviews that are critical of the game to be posted instead of all reviews? Why not have two threads, one for critical reviews / discussion and a general review thread.

BOOM another Russian loving Trump Nazi

Bring out the ban hammer boys!

[Ghoul]

Bloody hell SweetNicole showed up and posted a gif... What is going on...

[joeboy101]

Yes, staff is still re-evaluating Cyberpunk 2077 threads. However, as these reviewers go into an issue of great importance with their review, this thread was chosen to remain open to bring more attention it. When and if more Cyberpunk 2077 threads are opened, we will make an announcement.

Just resign dude and give it to them. Your not even a figurehead at this point, just a middleman.

[Nintex]

I completely disagree. I think critical analysis of this game's shortcomings (transphobia, racism, etc) is VERY important. However, why are we stopping regular review threads. This site (and someone correct me if im wrong) is first and foremost a forum in which people discuss games. Am I missing something?

Hahahahahahahah DIE

[Joe Molotov]

They should take a page from The Bore stylebook; if there's more than 10 words, they need to be broken up with an emoji

[Nintex]

because the other thread would be filled to the brim with chuds that would mock the trans community on this very forum. You don't need a "normal" review thread.

[thetylerrob]

I just got told to kill myself for saying that Cyberpunk isn't transphobic in the Giant Bomb chat.  #blessed