After you eat at Taco Bell, there's always gonna be some "drama" involving shit.
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He probably tells the poor woman over dinner about the latest drama
Quote from: Piss Benoit on December 06, 2020, 08:21:17 PMHe probably tells the poor woman over dinner about the latest drama Maybe, for her sake, they got her directly from Pakistan and she doesn't understand a word
Quote from: Beth CyraHow many kind young men/women/them’s PoC have lost their lives and in very public ways yet we still have absolutely rampant racism..hell Monster Hunter was in the hands of a white man for one spin off and it came out filled with racist shit.Wow, I missed that. Is Monster Hunter banned on ResetERA.com?
How many kind young men/women/them’s PoC have lost their lives and in very public ways yet we still have absolutely rampant racism..hell Monster Hunter was in the hands of a white man for one spin off and it came out filled with racist shit.
The problem with era and gaf is they have both become a “how do we address the politics of this game and then pile on those who don’t believe in our cause” It’s not a gaming forum anymore. Game discussion is rarely occurring. It always devolves into what the members mindset is, which is apply a litmus test to the game or it’s publisher or it’s developer or it’s related person a b or c.
black chamber is welcome exactly nowhere (Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
You think this shit is over? The game isn't even out yet Nor reviews, nor sales data. Now that the remaining normies need to actually leave in droves™ to talk about the biggest videogame on a videogame forum, because they don't think two throwaway tweets are the second coming of Hitler, a few more games like Harry Potter will slowly kill off this madhouse for good in an ongoing spiral of drama.
Quote from: Uncle on December 06, 2020, 07:43:08 PMblack chamber is welcome exactly nowhere (Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Black Chamber, you’re welcome here KING!!!I doesn’t matter if you’re a MAGA asshole, I mean we tolerate Nintex.
Both places are garbage.This black chamber dude is probably a douche.
Quote from: Rahxephon91 on December 06, 2020, 07:40:50 PMBoth places are garbage.This black chamber dude is probably a douche.But at least he was better troll than most. Surviving three years of resetera without breaking character.
Black Chamber was run out of his own discord lol. Congrats TransEra! That was a well played match. Take that W, it was messy and I thought you were going to take the loss but you surprised us all and you earned this win. 💯
Everyone involved in this shit is a gigantic pissbaby.
Quote from: Clockwork5 on December 06, 2020, 09:22:47 PMBlack Chamber was run out of his own discord lol. Congrats TransEra! That was a well played match. Take that W, it was messy and I thought you were going to take the loss but you surprised us all and you earned this win. 💯Nah, fuck them.
Everyone involved in this shit is a gigantic pissbaby.https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-74#post-53350540which one of you was this lmao
Quote from: Boredfrom on December 06, 2020, 09:31:51 PMQuote from: Clockwork5 on December 06, 2020, 09:22:47 PMBlack Chamber was run out of his own discord lol. Congrats TransEra! That was a well played match. Take that W, it was messy and I thought you were going to take the loss but you surprised us all and you earned this win. 💯Nah, fuck them.Why? If you're still on ERA in the year of out lord 2020, you're either one of the loonies, or just waiting to eat your ban, with increasingly crazier purity checkpoints.If BC really just wanted to have his CP2077 OT and talk about videogames, Era wasn't the place to do it, and that's been clear for a long while at this point, it's dumb to pretend Era is just another regular gaming forum.
I can't understate how devastating it is to learn the truth
Quote from: FUME5 on December 06, 2020, 09:35:22 PMEveryone involved in this shit is a gigantic pissbaby.https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-74#post-53350540which one of you was this lmaoWhat did he say?
Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense.Obviously, I knew nothing about him being a Trumper or anything. But just his past behavior in the past few days was enough outside of that.In addition, while we members don't have access to ban histories, the staff definitely does? Why was that not checked, at all, any point?And ban history aside, that still leaves the question of why the concerns of TransEra were completely ignored and the staff gave so much deference and benefit of doubt to this person. Why? Even without their ban history, why put so much weight on them and completely ignore the concerns of TransEra? Why did this one person mean so much to begin with?And that was of course then, which was scary enough.But now with hindsight, it's even scarier.Because why exactly was Black Chamber making so many threads on Cyberpunk, why did they want to be the face of the OT, why did they have their own discord, why did they ignore the concerns of transgender members in the OT instead of just saying that a paragraph was supposedly planned to be in an OT all along?Because with all these revelations about them being a Trumper and not giving a fuck and all that, it seems pretty clear: they were indeed doing every bit of it on purpose, almost certainly to deliberately stoke hostilities against the transgender community here.Because think about it.We know they're a Trumper and they don't give a fuck.And due to people like Android Sophia we knew there was indeed intended to be a paragraph to support transgender members in the actual OT supposedly.But that's something Black Chamber themselves refused to say and just beat around the bush on.Why?Knowing they're a Trumper, it makes perfect sense.The whole goal along all along was to foster hostilities against the transgender community here.And just looking at the reactions in the Night City Wire OT, with how many people he had on his side on singing and his praises and all that, he got pretty damn close to doing just that.Not just close.Since transgender members have actually left the site due to all this, you could even say he was successful in that goal.And that's disgusting and unacceptable.Because the staff had multiple points they could have put a stop to all of this, even before his history came out.He made a gameplan, to play the longgame, and the sad thing is, despite being permed, he still won, by creating those schisms and getting multiple transgender members of the community to leave, and that's purely on the staff for not nipping it in the bud and actually taking the time to listen to the transgender community, ban history or no ban history, tweets or no tweets, or whatever.They could have just listened to the concerns of the transgender community, instead of putting the interests of some nobody OT-starter and making backroom deals with them instead and putting all of that above the transgender community.They could have just checked their own fucking backlogs.They could have done so many things, but they failed to do each and every one of them.There were so many things that could have been done.So many. But they failed at every point instead.There was a point I trusted the staff. The staff themselves can vouch for this if they have access to my post report history because for a while, I made a point of trying to remember to thank them for their hard work whenever I reported a post. I didn't always remember to do that. But I tried my best.But those days are gone.Because this is a fuckup beyond fuckups.All trust I have for the staff of this site is completely gone.Just zip. Zero. Zilch.Because even before their actual history came out, there were still so many points, so many opportunities to avoid every bit of this.But none of them were taken and Black Chamber was given the benefit of the doubt over the transgender community, all their suspicions and misgivings, everything.And that's something I can not easily forget or forgive.THAT SAID, I am thankful and very appreciative for being unbanned early. I truly do appreciate that.But in the name of full transparency, I feel like I have to share the ban appeal tickets I made while I was banned, which I never got a single response to on any single one of them, and which I do feel, especially collectively, do a very good job of summing up why this was all handled so terribly, even without knowing about any of Black Chamber's ban history or tweets or anything and I just wouldn't feel right if this wasn't shared for all to see, as yeah, it really demonstrates how I feel and why this was so badly handled, revealing ban history or tweets or no (dashes indicate the end of one post I made in my ban appeal and the start of another new post in the appeal ticket):And I do realize there is indeed some hostility in what I'm about to quote. But I hope that can be forgiven because this was originally written in the context of a ban appeal thread and is just me quoting it verbatim, with nothing hidden because I don't want to hide that and the whole point is honesty and transparency here, so I hope that can be understood in that context and not lead to anything or be taken outside of the context of a then-banned member naturally being frustrated at their situation and being powerless to change what was happening and going on outside in the forum while they were banned, desperately wanting to say so, SO very much and just not being able and being tremendously frustrated by what I was seeing and reading and not being able to do anything about that, and so yeah, I hope it can be understood in that context.With that said, here's everything I said in my ban appeal thread for my situation:"Hello. ShironRedshift. I'd like to appeal my ban. Well, no. I'm not sure you can call this a ban appeal exactly. Because I know what I did was wrong and crossed the line. I fully admitted that when I made the posts I did.However, I nonetheless want the staff to hear my side and how it feels like your leaving minority members like me with no options. That no matter which option we choose, civility, hostility, or anywhere between, that they're ALL bad and ALL lead to negative consequences in their own way.But like I said in later posts in the same thread, it's a case of learned helplessness.That civility has gotten nowhere. That the whole point of keeping the threads on Cyberpunk open, according to the mods, was to among other things help to educate others on transgender issues.But not only has that not happened, but the whole disagreement that lead into the confrontation that lead to be getting banned in the first place was, nevermind the subject of education in general, it didn't even touch on that, but it all started with a dispute with rather a single paragraph, a single paragraph was too much or not.Which, as it turns out, the plan was to include that paragraph...?But the person who will be the OP of the thread denied that for reasons unknown and strung them along for no discernible reason in that case and just increased hostilities all around.Many tried to be more civil than me in the initial (locked) thread that ultimately lead to nothing. Just more dismissive responses, as has been the case since this whole saga with this game began.Which then lead to me seeing that, seeing so many wonderful people trying their best to be so incredibly, incredibly patient, and it not working and them only being dismissed. That even if the mods indeed banned many of the offenders, many more just came to replace them in return. Certainly no learning was happening.Which in turn lead to my hostile response. Which I knew wouldn't fix anything either. Which I knew would lead to be being banned as I said, so I can't truly complain.But at the same time, what was I to do?Civility is a complete failure that lead to nothing.And hostility obviously is also nonetheless both wrong and lead to people such as myself being banned.And then of course there's the option of just doing nothing.But that just leads to a feeling of learned helplessness, uselessness, and depression, things I certainly don't need more of as I already struggle with social anxiety and depression and mental illness.Just all options are bad in their own way.Be civil? Nothing changes, and we keep going in circles.Get hostile, and vent some of my true feelings? I get banned.Give into helplessness? My anxiety and depression goes into overdrive?What are people like me SUPPOSED TO DO?Like, I'm honestly asking here.I know what I said and did was wrong and crossed the line.But civility was not working (and clearly continues to work, as the person I believe I was believe the person I responded to got a lesser ban for me and will potentially still share a role in creating the Cyberpunk OT despite their own ban, so what exactly does that say about where civility gets you in matters of transphobia and the like? That as long as your civil about and do it in a polite way you'll be comparatively rewarded? Surely that can't be the intended message, but it's the message that's sent regardless of whether it's intended or not).And obviously hostility just leads to stuff like my own ban.And doing nothing and just sitting passively while this goes on does nothing for my anxiety and depression?So what is the answer?Because I've got nothing.Like I said, I can't honestly say this is an appeal for my ban, because I knew what would happen when I made that post and knew the risks.But I don't know what in the world I'm supposed to do, because every possible option is bad, so that being the case, being surrounded by a variety of bad options, I just picked the bad option that would at least let me vent my feelings.That's not a defense. I know it's not.But this is a subject that needs to be handled better in general, is what I am saying I suppose.How, I'm not sure.But certainly it needs to be handled better than a way that only gives minority members such as myself 3 options (1. Be civil to our abusers while they're abusing us and maybe they're banned, maybe they're not, either way only to be replaced by others who don't care and go back to square one 2.) Vent our true feelings and get banned for it or 3.) Just be quiet and silent and give into learned helplessness and depression).None of those options are good. Not a single one of them.But as far as I can see it, those are the only three options minority members have.Like, I'm not good at this type of thing (likely in part because of my social anxiety and autism, and like, I've mentioned this before I believe in certain post reports and stuff, that I myself used to be a moderator of a global large forum when I was a teenager, NarutoFan forums, around like, god, like 2007 or 2008, when Naruto was pretty much at the peak of its popularity, and I pretty much gave that power away and switched into being in the "Advisor" role for inactive staff precisely because among other things I realized I was no good at it and definitely didn't have the answers, so I'm certainly not one to give advice.And bans in particular even then were one of the trickiest subjects that gave me the most anxiety even back then, because judging what crossed the line and what didn't and if it did cross the line exactly how much time it deserves and how stuff like prior bans should factor in or signs of changed behavior and so many other things, even with an entire mods-only board to discuss exactly that type of thing, there's just so many factors to consider that among the things that gave me the most anxiety about being a global moderator, bans were definitely at the top of the list and I was terrified of screwing them up.But anyway, the point being, that having been there, I realize precisely how difficult being a moderator and making these decisions are, how it's just so very much incredibly gray so many times and there are no easy answers and it's just a bunch of unpaid people trying their best to make due with something incredibly stressful and not having any type of instruction manual and just trying to do their best. I feel that so much, having been in that position once upon a time on a site that, god, I can't remember how many active users it had at that time, but it had to at least rival this if not exceed it.But at the same time, the status quo certainly cannot stand.Because it only leaves minority members such as transgender individuals with three options, which all suck:1.) Be civil to their oppressors and just wait for the mods to ban them, which the staff does a good job of doing, but doesn't do anything to make up for the hurt caused by them in the meantime and also doesn't take away from how for how each one that's banned, two more seem to crawl out of nowhere, just making the whole approach incredibly frustrating, when it's certainly not being met in return with civility and doesn't seem to lead to many of the promised opportunities for learning and growth.2.) Let some of our true feelings flow and basically, in, uh, less than polite language, tell them to get lost, which just leads to we ourselves getting banned.3.) Doing nothing. Which is just the thing. Nothing. And by it's very nature, changes nothing. Leading to stuff like feelings of learned helplessness, feelings of not belonging or not being cared about, feelings of anxiety or depression, and so forth.None of these are good options, but they seem to be the only three on the table.And that's what I'm asking to change.I don't know how. Like I said, I've been in the position of being a global moderator in the past. I don't envy it. That's part of why I left, so I know it's kind of hypocritical for someone like me to ask for answers I couldn't find and just ran away from.But nonetheless, I suppose this isn't so much an appeal for my ban, but for the sake of the transgender community, among so many communities on the site, such as AsianEra and what they're dealing with in the Monster Hunter threads and such (like even with Capcom itself admitting fault while trying to pass the blame and the movie itself potentially being banned in China, still trying to deny the racism. And of course they get banned, which is great, but that doesn't change how much hurt those posts cause in the first place, especially since it's the same problem of basically playing whack-a-mole), that something needs to change.I don't know what those answers are.And I really have no right to ask the staff to figure out stuff that I couldn't and ran away from myself when I was a mod (for much lesser problems in my case, because it wasn't even anything like transphobia or stuff like that I was fearful over how long to ban people over, but just your run of the mill flamewars over people getting to angry and hostile over who the best character in the series is and stuff like that and attacking each other over having the "wrong" opinion, just stuff like that was too much with my social anxiety).Nonetheless, while I don't have the answers, I know this can't be sustained. So I'm using the opportunity hear to ask the mods to do just that. Because while I don't have the answers, the status quo can't go on, that's for sure.Thank you for your time, and have a wonderful day.REAL NAME CENSOREDAKA ShironRedshift (and in the NarutoFan days aka Shiron and MeijinNoKori and IceMasterHitsugayaKun and Payaso Coronado along with a bunch of other names I've forgotten)------------------------------------------And I'd like to append this. Just look at what in the world happened when the Night City Wire thread was unlocked:Post after post thanking the person who made a mockery of transgender member's concerns, apparently planning the whole time to have the paragraph they wanted in the OP while at the same time not just saying that and letting hostilities rise for no reason.That person is getting post after post of thanks with no mention of transgender member concerns whatsoever:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.cometc.These people are being "civil" but their civility is a direct insult to transgender members of the community, especially with no acknowledgment of what happened and how it affected transgender members, just "thanks" all the same.And since that's "civil" that's apparently fine.What in the world are transgender and other minority members supposed to do with that?Like I said previously, it just feels like there's no winning move.You try to be civil in return, you get dismissed as complaining over as nothing.You get hostile, you yourself get banned.Or you give into learned helplessness in some way or another.This has to change.----------------------------------------------------------------------------And this is all the more insulting when Black Chamber himself didn't even apologize and this was his first response:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf the impressions are true, then the patches pre-release + day 1 should fix the bugs, and press normally gets access to special builds with these patches applied. In 2 years time, an unpatched (or day1) version of the game will look a mess compared to where we end up, it’s just the nature of...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comNo acknowledgment of wrongdoing or any harm to the transgender community, just thanking people for supporting him for no fucking reason. While more "thanks" posts flood in:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTyou can't sit in every chair or bench. Small touches that lend to imersion aren;t there apparently. Ah I see, thanks. Maybe one for a future patch but don’t see it knocking any pints off the MCwww.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comLike seriously. That's a fuckton of posts.WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY GOT!WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE POSTS IN SUPPORT OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, THAT AREN'T COMING FROM THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY THEMSELVES?Whereas people are just flooding into that thread, just flooding in to thank Black Chamber .How is that supposed to make transgender members of the community feel appreciated, or safe, at all?What message does that send?Like seriously. Just think about this from the perspective of a transgender member.The trans community is getting next to no support whereas person after person after person is flooding into to support Black Chamber in particular without even the slightest acknowledgment of what happened.Part of the reason the OT was supposed to be allowed to be open was so that transgender members could address their concerns.Even if they are indeed allowed to do that, they're clearly being ignored and falling on completely deaf ears.If that isn't a demonstration of that, well, I can't think of anything that could possibly be more clear.Whatever experiment the staff was trying with the Cyberpunk threads has been a complete failure that just allows people to be "civilly" disrespectful to transgender members of the community with no consequence, whereas there's nothing they can do about it.That's not how things should be.Not remotely close.Again, whatever experiment was being tried is clearly a complete failure at this point, I don't see how one can draw any other conclusion in good faith.I'm not sure what the answer is at this point, I'm not an answer person as I said, but if anything this has made me more convinced then ever that Cyberpunk should not be allowed any form of Review thread or OT thread WHATSOEVER, because after so many floods of posts like that, a complete deluge of posts, what's the point?What does the staff expect to happen at this point?Please, I'm not asking to be unbanned.I'm asking for the staff to reconsider their policy on Cyberpunk getting an OT.Because it's more clear than ever whatever experiment was being tried is a complete failure and is only driving members away.So please, for the sake of the community, so people can feel safe, I'm begging you, honestly begging you, to reconsider.No game is worth that.Or at least no game should be.Please, just put a stop to it.Please.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------And it just continues to be a complete trainwreck, with so many members complaining about "dogpiling" while not giving a single fuck about the transgender community and how they're being harmed:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comNot a word of concern for transgender members. It's all about dogpiling the poor, poor OP.This is not sustainable. This does no one any good.At this point, it's very clear that unfortunately it's between this game and the transgender community.And I hope the staff does the right thing and picks the community, and tells anyone who has a problem with that to get lost.But either way, this cannot last or be sustained. Things need to change because it's disgusting how the transgender community is being thrown under the bus for an OP the vast majority of people defending him of course don't actually know, but care about infinitely more than the transgender community, because ?The experiment has failed, and something needs to change.Please.Please.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To add one more thing to this, in addition to the whole subject of transphobia, I have to admit one more particular reason this bothers me is because of a particular mistake I made while I was a global mod/advisor of the NarutoFan forums.While I was active there, one of the things that happened was legal Crunchyroll fansubs popped up for Naruto for the first time.But of course not only that. At the same time, for lack of a better term, a "bootleg" group called BakaSubs I believe also popped up, whose whole thing was somehow managing to get access to Crunchyroll's fansubs before they actually went live, and releasing them early, through torrents and the like, while pretty much claiming them as their own work and getting internet fame off releasing other people's work, legal work, early.Seeing this, I so badly wanted to bring up the idea of completely banning discussion/leaks to BakaSubs because fansubs were bad enough and still a thing at the time, but those were stolen official subs, and there was no reason for there to be links for them period instead of telling them to wait.Moreover, because there were legal versions of subs, that is, Crunchryroll's actual stuff, I also pondered whether links to fansubs should be allowed at all.Because yes, for most me, Crunchyroll's fansubs would be a week behind the Japanese release.But it was still a legal way of watching the series, with no consequences.So I so desperately wanted to bring up the discussion of banning not only links to BakaSubs, but banning links to Naruto fansubs in the Anime section period, as they were not only still obviously illegal but completely unnecessary and if someone can't wait one week, just one goddamn week, well, they can get fucked at that point, was my thought process.But due to a combination of my social anxiety, being scared that I would be laughed out of the room, and knowing that even if the mod team somehow did agree with me and hear me out, Tazmo (the owner of both the forums and the main site at the time) would still have links to fansubs on the main site regardless gave me so much pause I never so much as actually broached the subject.And this is all something that went down over 10 years ago at this point.But I still regret not brining it up, because, well, of course, even bringing up the subject would have been a scary change from the status quo of weekly threads for that stuff and there's no way of knowing if I would have just been laughed out of the room, and even if I weren't, how such change would be received.To put it in short, I know the thoughts going through my head were the right thing to do but my social anxiety and fear of change just made me do nothing and let problems like that continue to fester instead.And my choice of inaction, not knowing what happens if I would have acted differently, if even if I hadn't fought against fansubs in general and the hard work put in the animation team, if I had at least stuck up for the hard work of the people working for Crunchyroll at the very least instead of passively letting thread after thread be made for BakaSubs each week instead and let them get credit for stealing their work just because they released it earlier...It still haunts me from time to time, even all this time later, how things might be different had I at least opened my mouth and got a discussion going in the modroom.The point of this whole diatribe?I don't want anyone on the staff on the site to make the same type of mistakes I made, to potentially have the same regrets over inaction that I do even years after the fact. The wondering if they did the right thing or not. The wondering if they could have done something more.Because that stuff doesn't go away, even years after you stop visiting a site like that.At least it doesn't for me.Because yeah, I can only speak to my personal case. But in that case, a decade later, those regrets and doubts and questions still linger.And in my case, that's just over stuff about how we should handle a very particular type of illegal content on a fansite.That ain't even touching on subjects like transphobia, attacks on people who they are as human beings which they have absolutely no control over. Something that has a very real affect on many members of the community's mental well being and sense of safety.So yeah, the points of all that being, if I still have regrets over not speaking up over BakaSubs and perhaps fansubs in general on the fansite I moderated over a decade ago, I can't imagine how heavily some of the decisions that have to be made, one way or the one, are weighing on the staff right now, because if what I went through wasn't easy, I can't begin to imagine how the decisions on what to do or not do or whatever about this situation isBut the point being that whatever is decided, make sure it's something that you won't have any regrets over.Because whether it's a decision I agree with or not, I don't want any of the staff to go through what I did and have regrets about doing the right thing or not, regrets about being silent when you should have spoken up, or anything like that.Even if it's not what I and others want to hear, I want to make sure that whatever decision is made is one that will allow for no regrets, because doing otherwise just isn't worth it.So please. I know you probably don't need to hear any of this from me, and might even find this condescending, and I don't blame you if so, but I suppose this is a case of me myself not wanting to have any further regrets than I already do and not wanting to repeat the mistakes I personally made in the past, and not speak up when I could have.Because the only way to know how things will go is if you do indeed speak up. Nothing starts until then.As one of my favorite video game quotes go,"Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere""Not even Jupiter can find a lost opportunity."So please, whatever you do decide, don't let this be your own lost opportunity.And that's all I want to say for now I guess.Be well.ShironRedshift.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I just have to say, I'm furious about the latest developments with Black Chamber.Why the fuck DO THEY GET TO SELF-REQUEST THEIR BAN?WHY DID THE MOD TEAM NOT CHOOSE TO BAN THEM THEMSELVES?AND WHY DID THEY SEEM TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THEIR BAN LENGTH AND TIME IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESUMABLY STILL LET THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OT?WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ACCOMPLISH?Like, you saw what happened earlier, when the thread was locked? Upon the thread being unlocked, they were immediately treated like a martyr just for the thread being locked:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comLike, seriously. THAT'S what happened just with a thread being temporarily locked.If they're indeed the OT for the thread, what in the world do you think will happen if they are indeed the OP of the thread, especially considering the ban is apparently self-requested on the part of Black Chamber instead of being actual staff action.They'll be hailed as a larger martyr even more so than ever when they come back.This in no way helps the transgender community.This is clearly Black Chamber seeing the hero's welcome they got for a thread being LOCKED for a tiny period of time for all things, and using that as a chance to get the same hero's welcome in a month's time.This is something the mods should have done THEMSELVES, NOT VOLUNTARING IN A PERSON WHO'S ALEADY WRONGED THE TRANGENDER COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN MORE OF A MARTYR.And to put a cap on it all, if it was truly wrong what Black Chamber did, why did he have to volunteer to be banned?Why did the staff not ban him of their own volition?The staff might be oblivious to it, but after the reaction they got from a thread being locked of all things, it's just a very transparent attempt at making himself a martyr, and it's disgusting to see the staff go along with it instead of just banning him outright and remove OT privileges.Like, seriously, if you ignore everything else, just look at the response Black Chamber got from a thread being LOCKED OF ALL THINGS.Look at those posts I linked. Look at them.And then take a second thought about why someone like that might want to suddenly take a self-ban, instead of, y'know, just being outright banned from the staff.Whether it's intentional or not, you're walking into dangerous territory. And I can't say I'm a fan of that.It might be well-intentioned on the part of the staff, but this is not the way this should be handled.At all.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Like seriously, this is beyond insane at this point.By Android Sophia's own admittance:CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.These chuds and others like them spend their entire life day-in-day-out obsessing over us. Best not to pay them that much mind. Yup. Living rent-free in many places.www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCommunications were held with Black Chamber to arrive at this "resolution" of sorts.But were any communications at all, a single one, held with the transgender community over this, the very people he hurt?Because it sure doesn't seem like there were any.Why does he get to talk to staff and decide his own "punishment" of sorts?Why were the transgender community not involved whatsoever?And on top of that, like I said, just looking at how the thread reacted when it was reopened after briefly being locked and him getting a hero's welcome just for that of all things, how can you possibly think this is a good situation no matter how you slice it?I was already disappointed with the staff over this, and I only get more and more so as this continues.Because how is someone like myself, or the transgender community supposed to interpret this or read into this?That you reached out to Black Chamber in private but had no communications with the transgender community whatsoever, no public ones or anything obvious anyway?How is that supposed to be interpreted other than the staff caring more about Black Chamber / Cyberpunk more than the transgender community that this is apparently the way things went down?Like I've said, I've just continued to get more and more disappointed in the staff in this goes on and this doesn't help.Please, PLEASE reconsider what you're doing here.Please consider why you reached out to Black Chamber but not the transgender community.Please consider the hero's welcome Black Chamber got for a thread being locked for a few hours and think about what will happen when he comes back from a self-chosen ban after a month.Please, please think all this through again.Because even if this is being done with the best of intentions, regardless of what those intentions may be or how well they may be intentioned, this will not help things and only make things worse.So please reconsider this approach.For the sake of the transgender community, and the site as a whole.Please.Please.Don't let things go like this. Nothing good will come of it. The reactions from the thread being locked already demonstrate that.Please don't repeat what's already failed.Please, please listen, even though as a currently banned member, I know I have no right to ask that and especially to keep hounding you with messages like this.But regardless, the point being, no matter how good the intentions of the staff may be here, this will not end well and will not help so I beg for some reconsideration on this matter.Please.Please.Thank you for your time.ShironRedshift"
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Quote from: Boredfrom on December 06, 2020, 09:31:51 PMQuote from: Clockwork5 on December 06, 2020, 09:22:47 PMBlack Chamber was run out of his own discord lol. Congrats TransEra! That was a well played match. Take that W, it was messy and I thought you were going to take the loss but you surprised us all and you earned this win. 💯Nah, fuck them.Why? If you're still on ERA in the year of our lord 2020, you're either one of the loonies, or just waiting to eat your ban, with increasingly crazier purity checkpoints.If BC really just wanted to have his CP2077 OT and talk about videogames, Era wasn't the place to do it, and that's been clear for a long while at this point, it's dumb to pretend Era is just another regular gaming forum.
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53350075Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense.Obviously, I knew nothing about him being a Trumper or anything. But just his past behavior in the past few days was enough outside of that.In addition, while we members don't have access to ban histories, the staff definitely does? Why was that not checked, at all, any point?And ban history aside, that still leaves the question of why the concerns of TransEra were completely ignored and the staff gave so much deference and benefit of doubt to this person. Why? Even without their ban history, why put so much weight on them and completely ignore the concerns of TransEra? Why did this one person mean so much to begin with?And that was of course then, which was scary enough.But now with hindsight, it's even scarier.Because why exactly was Black Chamber making so many threads on Cyberpunk, why did they want to be the face of the OT, why did they have their own discord, why did they ignore the concerns of transgender members in the OT instead of just saying that a paragraph was supposedly planned to be in an OT all along?Because with all these revelations about them being a Trumper and not giving a fuck and all that, it seems pretty clear: they were indeed doing every bit of it on purpose, almost certainly to deliberately stoke hostilities against the transgender community here.Because think about it.We know they're a Trumper and they don't give a fuck.And due to people like Android Sophia we knew there was indeed intended to be a paragraph to support transgender members in the actual OT supposedly.But that's something Black Chamber themselves refused to say and just beat around the bush on.Why?Knowing they're a Trumper, it makes perfect sense.The whole goal along all along was to foster hostilities against the transgender community here.And just looking at the reactions in the Night City Wire OT, with how many people he had on his side on singing and his praises and all that, he got pretty damn close to doing just that.Not just close.Since transgender members have actually left the site due to all this, you could even say he was successful in that goal.And that's disgusting and unacceptable.Because the staff had multiple points they could have put a stop to all of this, even before his history came out.He made a gameplan, to play the longgame, and the sad thing is, despite being permed, he still won, by creating those schisms and getting multiple transgender members of the community to leave, and that's purely on the staff for not nipping it in the bud and actually taking the time to listen to the transgender community, ban history or no ban history, tweets or no tweets, or whatever.They could have just listened to the concerns of the transgender community, instead of putting the interests of some nobody OT-starter and making backroom deals with them instead and putting all of that above the transgender community.They could have just checked their own fucking backlogs.They could have done so many things, but they failed to do each and every one of them.There were so many things that could have been done.So many. But they failed at every point instead.There was a point I trusted the staff. The staff themselves can vouch for this if they have access to my post report history because for a while, I made a point of trying to remember to thank them for their hard work whenever I reported a post. I didn't always remember to do that. But I tried my best.But those days are gone.Because this is a fuckup beyond fuckups.All trust I have for the staff of this site is completely gone.Just zip. Zero. Zilch.Because even before their actual history came out, there were still so many points, so many opportunities to avoid every bit of this.But none of them were taken and Black Chamber was given the benefit of the doubt over the transgender community, all their suspicions and misgivings, everything.And that's something I can not easily forget or forgive.THAT SAID, I am thankful and very appreciative for being unbanned early. I truly do appreciate that.But in the name of full transparency, I feel like I have to share the ban appeal tickets I made while I was banned, which I never got a single response to on any single one of them, and which I do feel, especially collectively, do a very good job of summing up why this was all handled so terribly, even without knowing about any of Black Chamber's ban history or tweets or anything and I just wouldn't feel right if this wasn't shared for all to see, as yeah, it really demonstrates how I feel and why this was so badly handled, revealing ban history or tweets or no (dashes indicate the end of one post I made in my ban appeal and the start of another new post in the appeal ticket):And I do realize there is indeed some hostility in what I'm about to quote. But I hope that can be forgiven because this was originally written in the context of a ban appeal thread and is just me quoting it verbatim, with nothing hidden because I don't want to hide that and the whole point is honesty and transparency here, so I hope that can be understood in that context and not lead to anything or be taken outside of the context of a then-banned member naturally being frustrated at their situation and being powerless to change what was happening and going on outside in the forum while they were banned, desperately wanting to say so, SO very much and just not being able and being tremendously frustrated by what I was seeing and reading and not being able to do anything about that, and so yeah, I hope it can be understood in that context.With that said, here's everything I said in my ban appeal thread for my situation:"Hello. ShironRedshift. I'd like to appeal my ban. Well, no. I'm not sure you can call this a ban appeal exactly. Because I know what I did was wrong and crossed the line. I fully admitted that when I made the posts I did.However, I nonetheless want the staff to hear my side and how it feels like your leaving minority members like me with no options. That no matter which option we choose, civility, hostility, or anywhere between, that they're ALL bad and ALL lead to negative consequences in their own way.But like I said in later posts in the same thread, it's a case of learned helplessness.That civility has gotten nowhere. That the whole point of keeping the threads on Cyberpunk open, according to the mods, was to among other things help to educate others on transgender issues.But not only has that not happened, but the whole disagreement that lead into the confrontation that lead to be getting banned in the first place was, nevermind the subject of education in general, it didn't even touch on that, but it all started with a dispute with rather a single paragraph, a single paragraph was too much or not.Which, as it turns out, the plan was to include that paragraph...?But the person who will be the OP of the thread denied that for reasons unknown and strung them along for no discernible reason in that case and just increased hostilities all around.Many tried to be more civil than me in the initial (locked) thread that ultimately lead to nothing. Just more dismissive responses, as has been the case since this whole saga with this game began.Which then lead to me seeing that, seeing so many wonderful people trying their best to be so incredibly, incredibly patient, and it not working and them only being dismissed. That even if the mods indeed banned many of the offenders, many more just came to replace them in return. Certainly no learning was happening.Which in turn lead to my hostile response. Which I knew wouldn't fix anything either. Which I knew would lead to be being banned as I said, so I can't truly complain.But at the same time, what was I to do?Civility is a complete failure that lead to nothing.And hostility obviously is also nonetheless both wrong and lead to people such as myself being banned.And then of course there's the option of just doing nothing.But that just leads to a feeling of learned helplessness, uselessness, and depression, things I certainly don't need more of as I already struggle with social anxiety and depression and mental illness.Just all options are bad in their own way.Be civil? Nothing changes, and we keep going in circles.Get hostile, and vent some of my true feelings? I get banned.Give into helplessness? My anxiety and depression goes into overdrive?What are people like me SUPPOSED TO DO?Like, I'm honestly asking here.I know what I said and did was wrong and crossed the line.But civility was not working (and clearly continues to work, as the person I believe I was believe the person I responded to got a lesser ban for me and will potentially still share a role in creating the Cyberpunk OT despite their own ban, so what exactly does that say about where civility gets you in matters of transphobia and the like? That as long as your civil about and do it in a polite way you'll be comparatively rewarded? Surely that can't be the intended message, but it's the message that's sent regardless of whether it's intended or not).And obviously hostility just leads to stuff like my own ban.And doing nothing and just sitting passively while this goes on does nothing for my anxiety and depression?So what is the answer?Because I've got nothing.Like I said, I can't honestly say this is an appeal for my ban, because I knew what would happen when I made that post and knew the risks.But I don't know what in the world I'm supposed to do, because every possible option is bad, so that being the case, being surrounded by a variety of bad options, I just picked the bad option that would at least let me vent my feelings.That's not a defense. I know it's not.But this is a subject that needs to be handled better in general, is what I am saying I suppose.How, I'm not sure.But certainly it needs to be handled better than a way that only gives minority members such as myself 3 options (1. Be civil to our abusers while they're abusing us and maybe they're banned, maybe they're not, either way only to be replaced by others who don't care and go back to square one 2.) Vent our true feelings and get banned for it or 3.) Just be quiet and silent and give into learned helplessness and depression).None of those options are good. Not a single one of them.But as far as I can see it, those are the only three options minority members have.Like, I'm not good at this type of thing (likely in part because of my social anxiety and autism, and like, I've mentioned this before I believe in certain post reports and stuff, that I myself used to be a moderator of a global large forum when I was a teenager, NarutoFan forums, around like, god, like 2007 or 2008, when Naruto was pretty much at the peak of its popularity, and I pretty much gave that power away and switched into being in the "Advisor" role for inactive staff precisely because among other things I realized I was no good at it and definitely didn't have the answers, so I'm certainly not one to give advice.And bans in particular even then were one of the trickiest subjects that gave me the most anxiety even back then, because judging what crossed the line and what didn't and if it did cross the line exactly how much time it deserves and how stuff like prior bans should factor in or signs of changed behavior and so many other things, even with an entire mods-only board to discuss exactly that type of thing, there's just so many factors to consider that among the things that gave me the most anxiety about being a global moderator, bans were definitely at the top of the list and I was terrified of screwing them up.But anyway, the point being, that having been there, I realize precisely how difficult being a moderator and making these decisions are, how it's just so very much incredibly gray so many times and there are no easy answers and it's just a bunch of unpaid people trying their best to make due with something incredibly stressful and not having any type of instruction manual and just trying to do their best. I feel that so much, having been in that position once upon a time on a site that, god, I can't remember how many active users it had at that time, but it had to at least rival this if not exceed it.But at the same time, the status quo certainly cannot stand.Because it only leaves minority members such as transgender individuals with three options, which all suck:1.) Be civil to their oppressors and just wait for the mods to ban them, which the staff does a good job of doing, but doesn't do anything to make up for the hurt caused by them in the meantime and also doesn't take away from how for how each one that's banned, two more seem to crawl out of nowhere, just making the whole approach incredibly frustrating, when it's certainly not being met in return with civility and doesn't seem to lead to many of the promised opportunities for learning and growth.2.) Let some of our true feelings flow and basically, in, uh, less than polite language, tell them to get lost, which just leads to we ourselves getting banned.3.) Doing nothing. Which is just the thing. Nothing. And by it's very nature, changes nothing. Leading to stuff like feelings of learned helplessness, feelings of not belonging or not being cared about, feelings of anxiety or depression, and so forth.None of these are good options, but they seem to be the only three on the table.And that's what I'm asking to change.I don't know how. Like I said, I've been in the position of being a global moderator in the past. I don't envy it. That's part of why I left, so I know it's kind of hypocritical for someone like me to ask for answers I couldn't find and just ran away from.But nonetheless, I suppose this isn't so much an appeal for my ban, but for the sake of the transgender community, among so many communities on the site, such as AsianEra and what they're dealing with in the Monster Hunter threads and such (like even with Capcom itself admitting fault while trying to pass the blame and the movie itself potentially being banned in China, still trying to deny the racism. And of course they get banned, which is great, but that doesn't change how much hurt those posts cause in the first place, especially since it's the same problem of basically playing whack-a-mole), that something needs to change.I don't know what those answers are.And I really have no right to ask the staff to figure out stuff that I couldn't and ran away from myself when I was a mod (for much lesser problems in my case, because it wasn't even anything like transphobia or stuff like that I was fearful over how long to ban people over, but just your run of the mill flamewars over people getting to angry and hostile over who the best character in the series is and stuff like that and attacking each other over having the "wrong" opinion, just stuff like that was too much with my social anxiety).Nonetheless, while I don't have the answers, I know this can't be sustained. So I'm using the opportunity hear to ask the mods to do just that. Because while I don't have the answers, the status quo can't go on, that's for sure.Thank you for your time, and have a wonderful day.REAL NAME CENSOREDAKA ShironRedshift (and in the NarutoFan days aka Shiron and MeijinNoKori and IceMasterHitsugayaKun and Payaso Coronado along with a bunch of other names I've forgotten)------------------------------------------And I'd like to append this. Just look at what in the world happened when the Night City Wire thread was unlocked:Post after post thanking the person who made a mockery of transgender member's concerns, apparently planning the whole time to have the paragraph they wanted in the OP while at the same time not just saying that and letting hostilities rise for no reason.That person is getting post after post of thanks with no mention of transgender member concerns whatsoever:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.cometc.These people are being "civil" but their civility is a direct insult to transgender members of the community, especially with no acknowledgment of what happened and how it affected transgender members, just "thanks" all the same.And since that's "civil" that's apparently fine.What in the world are transgender and other minority members supposed to do with that?Like I said previously, it just feels like there's no winning move.You try to be civil in return, you get dismissed as complaining over as nothing.You get hostile, you yourself get banned.Or you give into learned helplessness in some way or another.This has to change.----------------------------------------------------------------------------And this is all the more insulting when Black Chamber himself didn't even apologize and this was his first response:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf the impressions are true, then the patches pre-release + day 1 should fix the bugs, and press normally gets access to special builds with these patches applied. In 2 years time, an unpatched (or day1) version of the game will look a mess compared to where we end up, it’s just the nature of...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comNo acknowledgment of wrongdoing or any harm to the transgender community, just thanking people for supporting him for no fucking reason. While more "thanks" posts flood in:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTyou can't sit in every chair or bench. Small touches that lend to imersion aren;t there apparently. Ah I see, thanks. Maybe one for a future patch but don’t see it knocking any pints off the MCwww.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comLike seriously. That's a fuckton of posts.WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY GOT!WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE POSTS IN SUPPORT OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, THAT AREN'T COMING FROM THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY THEMSELVES?Whereas people are just flooding into that thread, just flooding in to thank Black Chamber .How is that supposed to make transgender members of the community feel appreciated, or safe, at all?What message does that send?Like seriously. Just think about this from the perspective of a transgender member.The trans community is getting next to no support whereas person after person after person is flooding into to support Black Chamber in particular without even the slightest acknowledgment of what happened.Part of the reason the OT was supposed to be allowed to be open was so that transgender members could address their concerns.Even if they are indeed allowed to do that, they're clearly being ignored and falling on completely deaf ears.If that isn't a demonstration of that, well, I can't think of anything that could possibly be more clear.Whatever experiment the staff was trying with the Cyberpunk threads has been a complete failure that just allows people to be "civilly" disrespectful to transgender members of the community with no consequence, whereas there's nothing they can do about it.That's not how things should be.Not remotely close.Again, whatever experiment was being tried is clearly a complete failure at this point, I don't see how one can draw any other conclusion in good faith.I'm not sure what the answer is at this point, I'm not an answer person as I said, but if anything this has made me more convinced then ever that Cyberpunk should not be allowed any form of Review thread or OT thread WHATSOEVER, because after so many floods of posts like that, a complete deluge of posts, what's the point?What does the staff expect to happen at this point?Please, I'm not asking to be unbanned.I'm asking for the staff to reconsider their policy on Cyberpunk getting an OT.Because it's more clear than ever whatever experiment was being tried is a complete failure and is only driving members away.So please, for the sake of the community, so people can feel safe, I'm begging you, honestly begging you, to reconsider.No game is worth that.Or at least no game should be.Please, just put a stop to it.Please.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------And it just continues to be a complete trainwreck, with so many members complaining about "dogpiling" while not giving a single fuck about the transgender community and how they're being harmed:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comNot a word of concern for transgender members. It's all about dogpiling the poor, poor OP.This is not sustainable. This does no one any good.At this point, it's very clear that unfortunately it's between this game and the transgender community.And I hope the staff does the right thing and picks the community, and tells anyone who has a problem with that to get lost.But either way, this cannot last or be sustained. Things need to change because it's disgusting how the transgender community is being thrown under the bus for an OP the vast majority of people defending him of course don't actually know, but care about infinitely more than the transgender community, because ?The experiment has failed, and something needs to change.Please.Please.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To add one more thing to this, in addition to the whole subject of transphobia, I have to admit one more particular reason this bothers me is because of a particular mistake I made while I was a global mod/advisor of the NarutoFan forums.While I was active there, one of the things that happened was legal Crunchyroll fansubs popped up for Naruto for the first time.But of course not only that. At the same time, for lack of a better term, a "bootleg" group called BakaSubs I believe also popped up, whose whole thing was somehow managing to get access to Crunchyroll's fansubs before they actually went live, and releasing them early, through torrents and the like, while pretty much claiming them as their own work and getting internet fame off releasing other people's work, legal work, early.Seeing this, I so badly wanted to bring up the idea of completely banning discussion/leaks to BakaSubs because fansubs were bad enough and still a thing at the time, but those were stolen official subs, and there was no reason for there to be links for them period instead of telling them to wait.Moreover, because there were legal versions of subs, that is, Crunchryroll's actual stuff, I also pondered whether links to fansubs should be allowed at all.Because yes, for most me, Crunchyroll's fansubs would be a week behind the Japanese release.But it was still a legal way of watching the series, with no consequences.So I so desperately wanted to bring up the discussion of banning not only links to BakaSubs, but banning links to Naruto fansubs in the Anime section period, as they were not only still obviously illegal but completely unnecessary and if someone can't wait one week, just one goddamn week, well, they can get fucked at that point, was my thought process.But due to a combination of my social anxiety, being scared that I would be laughed out of the room, and knowing that even if the mod team somehow did agree with me and hear me out, Tazmo (the owner of both the forums and the main site at the time) would still have links to fansubs on the main site regardless gave me so much pause I never so much as actually broached the subject.And this is all something that went down over 10 years ago at this point.But I still regret not brining it up, because, well, of course, even bringing up the subject would have been a scary change from the status quo of weekly threads for that stuff and there's no way of knowing if I would have just been laughed out of the room, and even if I weren't, how such change would be received.To put it in short, I know the thoughts going through my head were the right thing to do but my social anxiety and fear of change just made me do nothing and let problems like that continue to fester instead.And my choice of inaction, not knowing what happens if I would have acted differently, if even if I hadn't fought against fansubs in general and the hard work put in the animation team, if I had at least stuck up for the hard work of the people working for Crunchyroll at the very least instead of passively letting thread after thread be made for BakaSubs each week instead and let them get credit for stealing their work just because they released it earlier...It still haunts me from time to time, even all this time later, how things might be different had I at least opened my mouth and got a discussion going in the modroom.The point of this whole diatribe?I don't want anyone on the staff on the site to make the same type of mistakes I made, to potentially have the same regrets over inaction that I do even years after the fact. The wondering if they did the right thing or not. The wondering if they could have done something more.Because that stuff doesn't go away, even years after you stop visiting a site like that.At least it doesn't for me.Because yeah, I can only speak to my personal case. But in that case, a decade later, those regrets and doubts and questions still linger.And in my case, that's just over stuff about how we should handle a very particular type of illegal content on a fansite.That ain't even touching on subjects like transphobia, attacks on people who they are as human beings which they have absolutely no control over. Something that has a very real affect on many members of the community's mental well being and sense of safety.So yeah, the points of all that being, if I still have regrets over not speaking up over BakaSubs and perhaps fansubs in general on the fansite I moderated over a decade ago, I can't imagine how heavily some of the decisions that have to be made, one way or the one, are weighing on the staff right now, because if what I went through wasn't easy, I can't begin to imagine how the decisions on what to do or not do or whatever about this situation isBut the point being that whatever is decided, make sure it's something that you won't have any regrets over.Because whether it's a decision I agree with or not, I don't want any of the staff to go through what I did and have regrets about doing the right thing or not, regrets about being silent when you should have spoken up, or anything like that.Even if it's not what I and others want to hear, I want to make sure that whatever decision is made is one that will allow for no regrets, because doing otherwise just isn't worth it.So please. I know you probably don't need to hear any of this from me, and might even find this condescending, and I don't blame you if so, but I suppose this is a case of me myself not wanting to have any further regrets than I already do and not wanting to repeat the mistakes I personally made in the past, and not speak up when I could have.Because the only way to know how things will go is if you do indeed speak up. Nothing starts until then.As one of my favorite video game quotes go,"Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere""Not even Jupiter can find a lost opportunity."So please, whatever you do decide, don't let this be your own lost opportunity.And that's all I want to say for now I guess.Be well.ShironRedshift.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I just have to say, I'm furious about the latest developments with Black Chamber.Why the fuck DO THEY GET TO SELF-REQUEST THEIR BAN?WHY DID THE MOD TEAM NOT CHOOSE TO BAN THEM THEMSELVES?AND WHY DID THEY SEEM TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THEIR BAN LENGTH AND TIME IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESUMABLY STILL LET THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OT?WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ACCOMPLISH?Like, you saw what happened earlier, when the thread was locked? Upon the thread being unlocked, they were immediately treated like a martyr just for the thread being locked:Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTIf some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OTThank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...www.resetera.com www.resetera.comLike, seriously. THAT'S what happened just with a thread being temporarily locked.If they're indeed the OT for the thread, what in the world do you think will happen if they are indeed the OP of the thread, especially considering the ban is apparently self-requested on the part of Black Chamber instead of being actual staff action.They'll be hailed as a larger martyr even more so than ever when they come back.This in no way helps the transgender community.This is clearly Black Chamber seeing the hero's welcome they got for a thread being LOCKED for a tiny period of time for all things, and using that as a chance to get the same hero's welcome in a month's time.This is something the mods should have done THEMSELVES, NOT VOLUNTARING IN A PERSON WHO'S ALEADY WRONGED THE TRANGENDER COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN MORE OF A MARTYR.And to put a cap on it all, if it was truly wrong what Black Chamber did, why did he have to volunteer to be banned?Why did the staff not ban him of their own volition?The staff might be oblivious to it, but after the reaction they got from a thread being locked of all things, it's just a very transparent attempt at making himself a martyr, and it's disgusting to see the staff go along with it instead of just banning him outright and remove OT privileges.Like, seriously, if you ignore everything else, just look at the response Black Chamber got from a thread being LOCKED OF ALL THINGS.Look at those posts I linked. Look at them.And then take a second thought about why someone like that might want to suddenly take a self-ban, instead of, y'know, just being outright banned from the staff.Whether it's intentional or not, you're walking into dangerous territory. And I can't say I'm a fan of that.It might be well-intentioned on the part of the staff, but this is not the way this should be handled.At all.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Like seriously, this is beyond insane at this point.By Android Sophia's own admittance:CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.These chuds and others like them spend their entire life day-in-day-out obsessing over us. Best not to pay them that much mind. Yup. Living rent-free in many places.www.resetera.com www.resetera.comCommunications were held with Black Chamber to arrive at this "resolution" of sorts.But were any communications at all, a single one, held with the transgender community over this, the very people he hurt?Because it sure doesn't seem like there were any.Why does he get to talk to staff and decide his own "punishment" of sorts?Why were the transgender community not involved whatsoever?And on top of that, like I said, just looking at how the thread reacted when it was reopened after briefly being locked and him getting a hero's welcome just for that of all things, how can you possibly think this is a good situation no matter how you slice it?I was already disappointed with the staff over this, and I only get more and more so as this continues.Because how is someone like myself, or the transgender community supposed to interpret this or read into this?That you reached out to Black Chamber in private but had no communications with the transgender community whatsoever, no public ones or anything obvious anyway?How is that supposed to be interpreted other than the staff caring more about Black Chamber / Cyberpunk more than the transgender community that this is apparently the way things went down?Like I've said, I've just continued to get more and more disappointed in the staff in this goes on and this doesn't help.Please, PLEASE reconsider what you're doing here.Please consider why you reached out to Black Chamber but not the transgender community.Please consider the hero's welcome Black Chamber got for a thread being locked for a few hours and think about what will happen when he comes back from a self-chosen ban after a month.Please, please think all this through again.Because even if this is being done with the best of intentions, regardless of what those intentions may be or how well they may be intentioned, this will not help things and only make things worse.So please reconsider this approach.For the sake of the transgender community, and the site as a whole.Please.Please.Don't let things go like this. Nothing good will come of it. The reactions from the thread being locked already demonstrate that.Please don't repeat what's already failed.Please, please listen, even though as a currently banned member, I know I have no right to ask that and especially to keep hounding you with messages like this.But regardless, the point being, no matter how good the intentions of the staff may be here, this will not end well and will not help so I beg for some reconsideration on this matter.Please.Please.Thank you for your time.ShironRedshift" Great post, read every word of it.
Great post, read every word of it.
To be fair, a lot of us used very similar "where there's smoke" intuition logic after Jesse Smollet was revealed to have been a fraud. They're right that sometimes you can sort of rely on sharp intuition to guide a more thorough investigation.But that being said, what they did with that intuition was abhorrent.
Quote from: BisMarckie on December 06, 2020, 08:19:17 PMYou would think after getting a wife bought for him to end his inceldom he would tone it down a bit Is inwifedom really any different than inceldom tho?
You would think after getting a wife bought for him to end his inceldom he would tone it down a bit
Quote from: PogiJones on December 06, 2020, 09:56:33 PMQuote from: BisMarckie on December 06, 2020, 08:19:17 PMYou would think after getting a wife bought for him to end his inceldom he would tone it down a bit Is inwifedom really any different than inceldom tho?The lack of a filler like on this gem reminds me that such clever double-layered wordplay is completely wasted on you neanderthals
I would have thought at least Uncle and lonewolfeus would appreciate it. I even had hope for you, Kenny. Y'all have disappointed me more than B-dubs was disappointed by BC
Now just think how many of my pearls you've missed buried in my 2000 word careposts
Yep. He didn't do anything wrong. They're psychos.
In the middle of that manifesto is some shit about them being a mod at crunchyroll and failing to stand up for her beliefs and she forever regretted it.
