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Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53330443I mean this in all seriousness: the staff really needs to come out and clarify whether any money has been exchanged for specific users making the OT (or generally doing any “influencer” marketing here). A lot of people are understandably jumping to that conclusion due to the absurdity of watching mods bend over backwards to protect one user’s right to make an OT, something no one can remember happening before, and if that’s what’s going on, people deserve to know. If not... just have someone else make the OT, good lord, how is this so hard.
I mean this in all seriousness: the staff really needs to come out and clarify whether any money has been exchanged for specific users making the OT (or generally doing any “influencer” marketing here). A lot of people are understandably jumping to that conclusion due to the absurdity of watching mods bend over backwards to protect one user’s right to make an OT, something no one can remember happening before, and if that’s what’s going on, people deserve to know. If not... just have someone else make the OT, good lord, how is this so hard.
Staff, the moment people start to consider if there's money involved or if it's because of traffic, you know it's not people who are being hard with you. They are genuinely hurt. And today they were hurt again.
If you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before
https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-dmc-devil-may-cry.339337/post-53317852Quote[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.(Image removed from quote.)
[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.
Quote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.
He decided to work on it for months of his own choice. That extra effort is not a requirement of making an OT. It means nothing. There is no world in which "but he worked hard on it", should ever enter the equation. Him making the OT is a privilege he volunteered for and was given, not an obligation, and not something only he can do. It can be taken away freely.Like, let me be clear to you. The Cyberpunk OT itself is a privilege. It shouldn't exist. We were assured a long while back that the main reason it existed is because there were marginalized people here who still wanted to discuss the game, that more broadly discussion was allowed so that information about its issues would spread, and that it would be handled carefully. Whether you like it or not, that is the terms the staff laid out.And in the past couple days, Black Chamber and Vestanet very very clearly showed that - even if they didn't do banworthy things (which Vestanet did! and is still involved) - they were not up for this big responsibility that they volunteered for! For all their good intent, they did not understand the trans community on this site enough to handle this respectfully. And in light of that, there's plenty of other people who can take over the OT from them. There's 0 reason to give them a second chance. Let someone more capable of handling it well do the job. Because it's more important to handle this respectfully than to have this one user be the OP of the thread.
Whether you like it or not, that is the terms the staff laid out.
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53331292Staff, the moment people start to consider if there's money involved or if it's because of traffic, you know it's not people who are being hard with you. They are genuinely hurt. And today they were hurt again.
Quote from: Bufbaf, post: 53330041, member: 1860Absolutely. But we already do ban games. We already do ban developers and public figures, influencers and Youtubers. So going by the slippery slope logic, we can't just stop at Jontron or Hatred but give a pass to transphobia, in this case. See, what I mean is basically this.Yes, hardware manufacturers are outsourcing to companies producing in China, using basically slave camps to construct parts for their toys. This is shitty, and it should be mentioned again and again, it should be discussed and it should be denounced. However, promoting games from companies being directly okay with racism (Warhorse, banned) or transphobia and likely also racism (CDPR, not banned), is not only shitty and apprehensive and reprehensible like the use of Uighur internment camps is, it also directly and immediately is attacking, insulting and ignoring our own community on Era and actively showing them "we care about you, but you see, not really." I think it is possible to draw a line here without waxing that slope. Of course, I might be wrong.Imagine thinking that an in-game ad of a chick with a strap on in a fictional dystopia is comparable to having literal concentration camps in the real world
Absolutely. But we already do ban games. We already do ban developers and public figures, influencers and Youtubers. So going by the slippery slope logic, we can't just stop at Jontron or Hatred but give a pass to transphobia, in this case. See, what I mean is basically this.Yes, hardware manufacturers are outsourcing to companies producing in China, using basically slave camps to construct parts for their toys. This is shitty, and it should be mentioned again and again, it should be discussed and it should be denounced. However, promoting games from companies being directly okay with racism (Warhorse, banned) or transphobia and likely also racism (CDPR, not banned), is not only shitty and apprehensive and reprehensible like the use of Uighur internment camps is, it also directly and immediately is attacking, insulting and ignoring our own community on Era and actively showing them "we care about you, but you see, not really." I think it is possible to draw a line here without waxing that slope. Of course, I might be wrong.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-dmc-devil-may-cry.339337/post-53317852(Image removed from quote.)Quote[DmC: Devil May Cry] is the least revolting game of the franchise. The pure sexism and garbage objectification of women in the other games is just ugh.(Image removed from quote.)
Folx, I've said this before and I'll say it again: nobody wants you to not enjoy the game. The trans community simply want to be listened. Yes, sometimes that means letting a discussion happen for a bit so it doesn't get buried because it might be important. You can always wait to post. Sometimes, it may be about pointing people to Kyuuji's thread, or simply voicing your support before talking about the game again. I mean, even Kyuuji has been participating in the game's discussion outside of its problematic content. She said she wasn't encouraging a boycott. She's going to play the game. There are people who are actively discussing the issues and will still buy the game. There's no hard answer for this. Just be empathetic. Listen. Read the room. Still enjoy the game if you want to. All of that is possible.
Black Chamber. You are a hero good sir. Getting T-Era this worked up and blood thirsty, eating a 1 month ban as though you are Saint Sebastian himself, and coming away from this looking like a regular dude while the loonies show how psychotic and miserable they are and now that it is obvious that they have been played, they’re just pissed about how foolish they were FORCED to look and demand retribution. You did it, my man. 💯Shout out to Kyuuji too! The original shit stirrer who has kinda just sat back and watched all of this unfold while secretly securing their copy of the game and claiming “That thread is just for like... awareness.” 💯
The solution is not to say, "if you are not trans shut up and you don't get to talk about the game".
I’m not a mod. I don’t know how I would handle it. But ignoring the conversation for a month, ignoring transEra, still creating the OT, and then taking a self ban as you talk about it on the era Cyberpunk discord which you just created and posted a link to earlier in this thread before your scheduled ban doesn’t really solve anything either.
Quote from: Don Rumata on December 06, 2020, 04:57:07 PMQuote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.Yea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter
So TransERA don't even want the OT to be about the game other than discussing the game's transphobia. Basically, they want the OT to be an endless bitchfest about the supposed gross transphobia in the game. No talk about gameplay. No talk about characters. No talk about music. The OT should be an exclusive outlet for TransERA to shit on CP 2077 and CDPR.And these are the same people that also says they don't want/get special treatment
I think the person means is that your comfort discussing a video game shouldn't supersede discussion about legit trans issues. Basically, check your privilege.
Quote from: Lonewulfeus on December 06, 2020, 04:59:09 PMQuote from: Don Rumata on December 06, 2020, 04:57:07 PMQuote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.Yea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter Nah I do real good tbh. I've never felt apprehensive of my material or bombed (unintentionally). Life is milk and honey.
Quote from: Lonewulfeus on December 06, 2020, 04:59:09 PMQuote from: Don Rumata on December 06, 2020, 04:57:07 PMQuote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.[/quoteYea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter Nah I do real good tbh. I've never felt apprehensive of my material or bombed (unintentionally). Life is milk and honey.Trashy da gawd : rejoice
Quote from: Don Rumata on December 06, 2020, 04:57:07 PMQuote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.[/quoteYea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter Nah I do real good tbh. I've never felt apprehensive of my material or bombed (unintentionally). Life is milk and honey.
Quote from: Transhuman on December 06, 2020, 04:44:37 PMIf you're lurking because you're looking for anyone here to say something original or insightful about this sad tawdry affair, I have to warn of the long odds against it. I don't think i've seen topic talked to death this thoroughly before People are here to laugh at the shit show, dummy.[/quoteYea, if there’s one thing transhuman is unfamiliar with its laughter
They've now found an old thread created by Black Chamber where he linked to something altrightish. Perma now!
Kyuuji thread got locked
Fucking hell... Alright, I initially supported the mods decision, despite finding the ban decision pretty awkward-sounding, but this... I think the Era Staff owes us some in-depth explanations now, it's impossible they didn't know about this shit.
Mods locked both CP 2077 threads. They are in panic mode. I fully expect Black Chamber's one month ban to be a perma and his OT scrapped and given to a mod or one of the TransERA inquisitors.
so, the one month ban that was, uhh... negotiated, i guess?did it take into account ban history, cuz that seems to happen a lot
Assuming they perma BC, whose blood will they call for next?
We're temporarily locking both threads pertaining to Cyberpunk as things are getting out of hand and generating an enormous number of reports that need to be processed.As for the state of any Cyberpunk OTs, I will be taking over the responsibilities and will create a text-only thread in consultation with trans individuals.The reason we're featuring an OT for this game is because marginalized members of the forum, including trans members, have expressed a desire in public and private for a space where they can discuss the game and its contents in an environment where bigotry is not tolerated. We would hope that all members of the site would be willing to give them that space and commensurate consideration and kindness.
They had to lock the cdpr is transphobic thread because bc posted a thread 2 years ago about naughty gods maybe pushing an agenda, which was from a naughty source, and now everyone is our for blood from both bc and the mods.BUT B-DUBS BEING A RACIST IS A-OK. IT'S IN THE PAST.Edit: ah, so b-dubs the racist will be making the OT now. Pathetic performative woke fake cowards.
TransERA has been heard and the OT now basically exists only for them:https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53336323QuoteWe're temporarily locking both threads pertaining to Cyberpunk as things are getting out of hand and generating an enormous number of reports that need to be processed.As for the state of any Cyberpunk OTs, I will be taking over the responsibilities and will create a text-only thread in consultation with trans individuals.The reason we're featuring an OT for this game is because marginalized members of the forum, including trans members, have expressed a desire in public and private for a space where they can discuss the game and its contents in an environment where bigotry is not tolerated. We would hope that all members of the site would be willing to give them that space and commensurate consideration and kindness.the past 24 hours have been insane and I should have expected this ending but somehow didn't.it will still somehow not be good enough.
Quote from: Khrn, post: 53332249, member: 17184Folx, I've said this before and I'll say it again: nobody wants you to not enjoy the game. The trans community simply want to be listened. Yes, sometimes that means letting a discussion happen for a bit so it doesn't get buried because it might be important. You can always wait to post. Sometimes, it may be about pointing people to Kyuuji's thread, or simply voicing your support before talking about the game again. I mean, even Kyuuji has been participating in the game's discussion outside of its problematic content. She said she wasn't encouraging a boycott. She's going to play the game. There are people who are actively discussing the issues and will still buy the game. There's no hard answer for this. Just be empathetic. Listen. Read the room. Still enjoy the game if you want to. All of that is possible.
I mean, even Kyuuji has been participating in the game's discussion outside of its problematic content. She said she wasn't encouraging a boycott. She's going to play the game. There are people who are actively discussing the issues and will still buy the game.There's no hard answer for this. Just be empathetic.
TransERA has been heard and the OT now basically exists only for them:https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53336323Quotecommensurate consideration and kindness.
commensurate consideration and kindness.
