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Quote from: LurkinMerkin on December 07, 2020, 02:52:08 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-91#post-53408494Let's see how this goes over."edit: fuck it NVM."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-91#post-53408494Let's see how this goes over.
QuoteHere's the thing. I don't hate people who are transgender, I have several friends who are and I love them dearly. I understand what they and others go through and do not support bigotry or anyone judging others. I am aware of the issues they face and it's not right.That being said you can't tell me some of the response here to what I posted and the comments towards myself in others who want to be able to discuss all aspects of the game in the review thread weren't aggressive or attacking.I want to be clear it isn't right that these things are in the game.RIP to a real one. User banned (duration pending admin review): Dismissing concerns around transphobia over multiple posts
Here's the thing. I don't hate people who are transgender, I have several friends who are and I love them dearly. I understand what they and others go through and do not support bigotry or anyone judging others. I am aware of the issues they face and it's not right.That being said you can't tell me some of the response here to what I posted and the comments towards myself in others who want to be able to discuss all aspects of the game in the review thread weren't aggressive or attacking.I want to be clear it isn't right that these things are in the game.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-91#post-53408494Let's see how this goes over.EDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20
EDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20
I've arrived just in time
Quote from: LurkinMerkin on December 07, 2020, 02:52:08 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-91#post-53408494Let's see how this goes over.EDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20Someone caught him before the edit and posted more of the tweets. The man is dead I tell you. Dead.
That avatar and name are so familiar... can’t place it. Is that an Era user? Or someone from the old place?That equivalence is fucking terrible. Do they really think they’ve made a point there?
The site's discourse surrounding Cyberpunk 2077 s a perfect example of why I'm bothered by how Resetera works as a place that's supposed to be about discussion, and why I still haven't made an account although there are times when I'd like to participate in certain threads. Before I go on, let me be clear: I'm not saying the game doesn't have issues.Like 99% of other people out there, I've only seen what has publicly been shown, and haven't gone hands-on with the game yet. I then have limited additional exposure being media. What I DO know is that I've seen some—not all, some—arguments about why Cyberpunk 2077 is transphobic that I simply don't agree with. I don't discredit the arguments being made, but I also can't support the idea that those elements instantly make the game horrible. But people on Resetera who express that kind of opinion get dogpiled by other members, warned by mods, or at times outright banned.There's a huge divide between supporting bigoted opinions, and saying the bigotry being presented is not so cut and dry, that often gets lost. Now look, you get into really iffy territory when you have people outside of the group being targeted saying that something isn't offensive to said group. No way would I ever deny that.But all those things also happen to people inside that group as well. You can be a member of X group, and say that you don't think Y game is harmful to X group in the way people are saying, and still be vilified.Obviously, one voice cannot speak for an entire group—but that has to go both ways on some of this stuff. The thing about Resetera is that there are, at times, select groups of members who completely dominate the conversation, to the point that their opinions can rise to the level of being at best the "popular opinion" on the site, or at worse, the absolute word of law. Right now on the site, there are people pushing for Cyberpunk 2077 review threads to be completely banned from the site. What the hell.And, at the moment I'm writing this, the review thread that did exist is locked so the mods can "re-evaluate" how to handle such threads. This taps into one of my biggest complaints since day one: that a video game discussion forum bans the discussion of video games that are for sale legally in stores.How the fuck does a message forum like Resetera have a list of games that are banned from being talked about? (Oh, and it's awesome how the people in charge can't even be assed to put the list of banned games in the "terms and rules" section of the site. Want to know what games aren't allowed to be discussed? Go find the list yourself!) I absolutely, positively think that Resetera should allow for threads calling out the bad side of video games and the industry, and I'm completely in support of the thread currently pinned that talks about the potential problems of Cyberpunk 2077 and CDPR as a whole. What I DON'T support is a vocal minority of users being able to control the conversation for the entire site. That comes in people like we're seeing today, calling for Cyberpunk 2077 review threads to be banned.It also comes in the constant shitting up of threads. Even as a casual browser of Resetera, I see it over and over. With Cyberpunk, you can't have a thread without people coming in to decry the game and people excited for it as being transphobic. Why is derailing like that allowed, but port begging treated like a crime? AGAIN, there's a scale here, and we have to use our brains for it. If the game was "cheeseburger Holocaust 3000," then absolutely, let's assume that promoting and discussing such a game maybe isn't what we want to do. But we're talking about a game where an absolutely minor aspect of it (from what is known by the people making these arguments) may be questionable, and where that's not even any kind of fact depending on who in the community you talk to. At the end of the day, I DO think Resetera's progressive slant is a positive. It's nice to have a place where discussions can be had without assholes being tolerated, and I will always be in support of there being some level of ground rules for how human beings should be treated. I'm just frustrated by the times when that goal swings waaaay to far, and when certain voices—at times particularly radical ones—dominate the entire conversation. Unfortunately, that seems to happen far too often on Resetera. There's a point where your push for inclusivity can completely stifle legitimate discussion, and where good people are branded villains because they don't toe the exact line that you do. And Resetera is rife with that. Oh, and as someone who has run or owned numerous message forums, I also think it's BS when mods get to decided if a thread has "run its course" or not, and "new thread for new news" is a stupid rule that makes people lazy, but I'm not going to get into my other stupid nitpicks. And this concludes today's episode of "let's discuss something you probably don't care about from a person who's opinion on the topic doesn't really matter." Oh, one final thing: I've been part of numerous panels on trans issues in gaming, I've discussed the good/bad things they've done with numerous devs in person, I've been a consultant on trans characters, and more.In case anyone wants to question my level of concern on the topic
Quote from: LurkinMerkin on December 07, 2020, 02:52:08 PMEDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20That twitter thread is like painting a target on your head saying you want to join the unemployment line.Is she really dumb enough after seeing this that she thinks these people will stop at the boundaries of ResetEra?I bet one of the Transtasi is already writing EGM and collecting the evidence.
Can we not talk about randos from twitter. Who gives a shit what they think?
Oh, one final thing: I've been part of numerous panels on trans issues in gaming, I've discussed the good/bad things they've done with numerous devs in person, I've been a consultant on trans characters, and more.In case anyone wants to question my level of concern on the topic
Who the fuck is Black Chamber?
Quote from: Nintex on December 07, 2020, 02:58:39 PMQuote from: LurkinMerkin on December 07, 2020, 02:52:08 PMEDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20That twitter thread is like painting a target on your head saying you want to join the unemployment line.Is she really dumb enough after seeing this that she thinks these people will stop at the boundaries of ResetEra?I bet one of the Transtasi is already writing EGM and collecting the evidence.One reply in that thread says:QuoteCan we not talk about randos from twitter. Who gives a shit what they think? QuoteOh, one final thing: I've been part of numerous panels on trans issues in gaming, I've discussed the good/bad things they've done with numerous devs in person, I've been a consultant on trans characters, and more.In case anyone wants to question my level of concern on the topicClassic
here is one that is not quite so random
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Quote from: HaughtyFrank on December 07, 2020, 02:32:55 PMQuote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53406409QuoteBased on the review thread both sides are guilty of attacking each other.did you miss the part where a segment of cyberpunk fans defended a lying bigot who gaslighted trans members of this forum for months all over a video game?wait it's still happeningNo one defended him once they actually found his maga tweets. There was nothing wrong with being on his side when they started their harassment but even saying that would probably catch you a ban.Also I like the use of "all over a video game" when it all is literally over a video gameThe asylum inmates are already completely twisting history They didn't even wait a week. Holy shit.No one had any idea BC was full on MAGA and on top of that BC did nothing but post about the game. How was he gaslightning anyone?
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53406409QuoteBased on the review thread both sides are guilty of attacking each other.did you miss the part where a segment of cyberpunk fans defended a lying bigot who gaslighted trans members of this forum for months all over a video game?wait it's still happeningNo one defended him once they actually found his maga tweets. There was nothing wrong with being on his side when they started their harassment but even saying that would probably catch you a ban.Also I like the use of "all over a video game" when it all is literally over a video game
QuoteBased on the review thread both sides are guilty of attacking each other.did you miss the part where a segment of cyberpunk fans defended a lying bigot who gaslighted trans members of this forum for months all over a video game?wait it's still happening
Based on the review thread both sides are guilty of attacking each other.
Quote from: BisMarckie on December 07, 2020, 02:43:51 PMQuote from: Averon on December 07, 2020, 02:41:43 PMSo, ultimately, the lesson they learned from this is that if you disagree with them, or don't express the "right" opinion regularly, or just ignore them, even if you do it as nicely and respectfully as possible, you're likely a secret alt-right chud infiltrating the community within?Does no one stop and consider how unhealthy that kind of thinking is? And they wonder why there's a suicide thread made at least once a week there.The best part is that they feel vindicated by digging up some tweets from Black Chamber, Their persecution complex will only get worse from here And if any of them are reading this (and they are), they are 100% right. The board has been infested from top to bottom with bigots and racists and they use coded avatars to identify eachother.
Quote from: Averon on December 07, 2020, 02:41:43 PMSo, ultimately, the lesson they learned from this is that if you disagree with them, or don't express the "right" opinion regularly, or just ignore them, even if you do it as nicely and respectfully as possible, you're likely a secret alt-right chud infiltrating the community within?Does no one stop and consider how unhealthy that kind of thinking is? And they wonder why there's a suicide thread made at least once a week there.The best part is that they feel vindicated by digging up some tweets from Black Chamber, Their persecution complex will only get worse from here
So, ultimately, the lesson they learned from this is that if you disagree with them, or don't express the "right" opinion regularly, or just ignore them, even if you do it as nicely and respectfully as possible, you're likely a secret alt-right chud infiltrating the community within?Does no one stop and consider how unhealthy that kind of thinking is? And they wonder why there's a suicide thread made at least once a week there.
It's the out of frame and/or slightly off center avatars.Take this one for example and notice the left foot(Image removed from quote.)And this one(Image removed from quote.)Clearly edited in Photoshop, yet the user was too lazy to properly fit it into the frame?No, this is a message. Also the last one calls itself: "Megawarrior" they are openly mocking you like Black Chamber.Who also had a slightly out of frame avatar, and surely a skilled OP editor could've properly framed it???(Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: LurkinMerkin on December 07, 2020, 02:52:08 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-91#post-53408494Let's see how this goes over.EDIT: Aw shit he deleted it. It was a link to a twitter thread calling out Era and zealots in general of being so radical they alienate otherwise sympathetic ears.https://twitter.com/mollipen/status/1336024082022871040?s=20No fucking wonder they're now playing the "who gives a shit what some rando twitter user thinks" card after reading that Quote from: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336024082022871040.htmlIn case anyone wants to question my level of concern on the topic
In case anyone wants to question my level of concern on the topic
Isn’t that EGM twitter trans? Also she posted pretty regularly at Gaf before implosion. Or I’m thinking of someone else?
She used to be on GAF, started with a different name I'm not sure if I should mention (if she's cut ties with that name, I don't want to deadname her), not sure if she ever made the leap here. She was an editor at Gamefan before it imploded, and is trans herself.
What even is this post. It's a perfectly valid view, and worth pointing outQuote from: Doc Laserstein, post: 53409517, member: 3935no
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Quote from: Yulwei on December 07, 2020, 02:34:35 PMQuote from: HaughtyFrank on December 07, 2020, 02:32:55 PMQuote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53406409QuoteBased on the review thread both sides are guilty of attacking each other.did you miss the part where a segment of cyberpunk fans defended a lying bigot who gaslighted trans members of this forum for months all over a video game?wait it's still happeningNo one defended him once they actually found his maga tweets. There was nothing wrong with being on his side when they started their harassment but even saying that would probably catch you a ban.Also I like the use of "all over a video game" when it all is literally over a video gameThe asylum inmates are already completely twisting history They didn't even wait a week. Holy shit.No one had any idea BC was full on MAGA and on top of that BC did nothing but post about the game. How was he gaslightning anyone?that's the thing though, according to black chamber he's not even maga, his tweet gives that impression because he was mocking the person to their face using their own language
I never thought i'd live to see revolution.
Lmao what a piece of fucking garbage. I'd love to hear their defense of this shit.So tired of this bootlicking bullshit. I'm tired of being fuckin civil around here. There's no two sides to this shit.IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME.HUMAN BEING EMOTIONS AND SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN STUPID FUCKING TOYS
Quote from: Boredfrom on December 07, 2020, 03:11:11 PMIsn’t that EGM twitter trans? Also she posted pretty regularly at Gaf before implosion. Or I’m thinking of someone else?Seems to be the caseQuote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53409781She used to be on GAF, started with a different name I'm not sure if I should mention (if she's cut ties with that name, I don't want to deadname her), not sure if she ever made the leap here. She was an editor at Gamefan before it imploded, and is trans herself.So now you have cis-members shitting on the opinion of someone who is trans
So this conversation has reached the "calling trans people who disagree with me fascists" mark already, excellent pace folks.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53410264QuoteLmao what a piece of fucking garbage. I'd love to hear their defense of this shit.So tired of this bootlicking bullshit. I'm tired of being fuckin civil around here. There's no two sides to this shit.IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME.HUMAN BEING EMOTIONS AND SAFETY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN STUPID FUCKING TOYSAll because of Shinobis tweet hyping the game
QuoteSo this conversation has reached the "calling trans people who disagree with me fascists" mark already, excellent pace folks.Do you have anything you want to say or are you simply gonna pointlessly snipe and antagonize from a distance?
This community just gone done nearly disentigrating over not being listened to by staff after calling out a dismissive “feel-good” poster who slobbered all over 2077 and ended up being a MAGA-hat wearing fascist in disguise.Tensions are high as fuck, so you might be well served to read about what’s happened here.
Attacking him? Or calling a spade a spade? You can feign ignorance of the underlying issues all your want, but this dude POSTS here and is well aware of this. He's a piece of shit.
Quoteso are we just attacking folk for mentioning CP2077 now?Attacking him? Or calling a spade a spade? You can feign ignorance of the underlying issues all your want, but this dude POSTS here and is well aware of this. He's a piece of shit.If you know what's going on and all of CDPR's shit and continue to spew that congratulatory garbage and "hype" you can go fuck right off.
so are we just attacking folk for mentioning CP2077 now?
They're really getting rid of tweets for "off site content" as if the place is brimming with original content Cyberpunk is really gonna kill resetera. Holy shit.
Poor Karak be sweating right now. Does he choose The Ree witch hunt or upset subscribers
