Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Nintex]

I lifted that straight from Pissbaby land 

Overall the folks there seem pretty welcoming and they have a tits and butts nsfw thread as well as a cyberpunk discussion

[Ghoul]

They’re also racists Nintex.

[HaughtyFrank]

"I can't believe these fuckers are all ignoring the sticky thread!"

*every cyberpunk thread gets closed*

"Why are all these fuckers coming into the sticky thread!!!"

*OT gets announced*

"These fuckers are just going to talk about the game in there!!!"

[Tasty]

I lifted that straight from Pissbaby land 

Overall the folks there seem pretty welcoming and they have a tits and butts nsfw thread as well as a cyberpunk discussion

Do they have hookers and blackjack too?

...what was my point again?

[Ghoul]

PC era have been chatting about cyberpunk all day....

[Mr. Nobody]

So wait, I can actually be trans in Cypberpunk? Like I can actually make a character and make the gender transsexual? Holy fuck. I have never been able to do that. Finally, representation.

No, no, no, no, CINDI, there was an ad with a dick in it! Made by a lesbian! You can't! Don't betray your people!

How bad do you think Cyberpunk will be on ps4? I don't have a ps5

Pro or regular? May be playable on Pro.

I have a regular and I don't see the point in getting a pro now because ps5 plays ps4 games better.

Exactly where I'm at. Heard it runs terrible on base consoles.

Gonna wait for the actual PS5 version (and whenever the fuck i get a PS5  )

when I get a ps5 I want to take the ugly wings off tbh

It's a pretty atrocious design but I can't wait 2-3 years for a "pro" or "slim"  :'(

[benjipwns]

This isn't even surface-level criticism

The whole "transphobic game" thing is basically this. They're complaining there's any representation, because that representation is set at the same level as everyone elses place in the world. If the game had never even had trans representation they'd never be criticizing it. They aren't criticizing the latest Call of Duty or Nintendo game for being "transphobic" when it completely ignores trans representation and has never even tried to grapple with the subject. They're targeting this game because it dared to try and be inclusive for the first time and came up short of whatever their ideal is.

I've long suspected they're just disappointed the game wasn't what they wanted after eight years and are trying to find some "progressive morals" way of expressing that disappointment, and they latched onto transphobia because that's their personal fad and what has power in their world, ResetERA.com. They don't want discussion of any kind, hence the demand for it all to be banned, because they're afraid it might actually turn out positively after they've invested so deeply in it being not just bad, but "actively harmful to transpeople" or whatever.

[Uncle]

It's not by ignoring. There are better ways to go at it, and better threads to promote a place where discussion of the game is at both times exploratory and critical by people who are sensitive to these topics. As Persephone said, perhaps the play is to separate different communities' interaction with the one game. But even in that there is the acknowledgement of a community within this forum that is especially unfazed by concerns of transphobia. The forum cannot stay in this limbo forever. I'm also genderqueer and i am tired to the bones of the sophomoric ideal that things can get better without radicalizing the means of discussion in this forum and being clear about what kinds of attitudes are not accepted.

yesssss

...what are the chances that literally all of them are just kiwifarmers?

all playing this secret game where they think they're upsetting others but the others are just dutifully playing their role and acting upset

sometimes they slip and make too clever of a post like this one

the biggest metagame of all time

[Tasty]

It's not by ignoring. There are better ways to go at it, and better threads to promote a place where discussion of the game is at both times exploratory and critical by people who are sensitive to these topics. As Persephone said, perhaps the play is to separate different communities' interaction with the one game. But even in that there is the acknowledgement of a community within this forum that is especially unfazed by concerns of transphobia. The forum cannot stay in this limbo forever. I'm also genderqueer and i am tired to the bones of the sophomoric ideal that things can get better without radicalizing the means of discussion in this forum and being clear about what kinds of attitudes are not accepted.

yesssss

...what are the chances that literally all of them are just kiwifarmers?

all playing this secret game where they think they're upsetting others but the others are just dutifully playing their role and acting upset

sometimes they slip and make too clever of a post like this one

the biggest metagame of all time

Oh my god, a double-blind scenario where everyone's a Kiwifarmer but know one knows it...

I think I could sell that shit to Hollywood.

[paprikastaude]

"I can't believe these fuckers are all ignoring the sticky thread!"

*every cyberpunk thread gets closed*

"Why are all these fuckers coming into the sticky thread!!!"

*OT gets announced*

"These fuckers are just going to talk about the game in there!!!"

[benjipwns]

Those people ignore staff posts and will flock to whatever the main discussion point will be regardless of whether it's called an OT or not, and the same micro-aggressions and issues that have been allowed to fester previously will regardless of the framing of it unless the staff actually decide to do things differently. I'm not sure how much value there would be in symbolic changes, I have nothing against the idea of changing that ultimately, but this needs to be real holistic change and it needs to happen now.

If we don't address it, then whatever new term we come up with for OTs, whatever new format is used, will just become synonymous with the same issues.

The issues are site wide, and run deeper than Trans Era alone. Right now the focus should absolutely be on Trans Era and how this game is affecting them, but the staff need to think about how all minority groups are cared for going forward.

They're going to rename "OT's" and think they solved whatever the problem is aren't they. Already saw complaining that "OT culture" came over from NeoGAF.com lol

[Snoopycat_]

Instead of being outraged about everything those people should be like Kyuji, just go chill out and play Cyberpunk

[Himu]

So wait, I can actually be trans in Cypberpunk? Like I can actually make a character and make the gender transsexual? Holy fuck. I have never been able to do that. Finally, representation.

No, no, no, no, CINDI, there was an ad with a dick in it! Made by a lesbian! You can't! Don't betray your people!

How bad do you think Cyberpunk will be on ps4? I don't have a ps5

Pro or regular? May be playable on Pro.

I have a regular and I don't see the point in getting a pro now because ps5 plays ps4 games better.

Exactly where I'm at. Heard it runs terrible on base consoles.

Gonna wait for the actual PS5 version (and whenever the fuck i get a PS5  )

when I get a ps5 I want to take the ugly wings off tbh

It's a pretty atrocious design but I can't wait 2-3 years for a "pro" or "slim"  :'(

Same. Need that Demon's Souls and ps4 bc performance, dawg.

[Yulwei]

The micro-aggression of talking about which cool cyber leg augment you picked for your first playthrough   

[paprikastaude]

It's not by ignoring. There are better ways to go at it, and better threads to promote a place where discussion of the game is at both times exploratory and critical by people who are sensitive to these topics. As Persephone said, perhaps the play is to separate different communities' interaction with the one game. But even in that there is the acknowledgement of a community within this forum that is especially unfazed by concerns of transphobia. The forum cannot stay in this limbo forever. I'm also genderqueer and i am tired to the bones of the sophomoric ideal that things can get better without radicalizing the means of discussion in this forum and being clear about what kinds of attitudes are not accepted.

yesssss

...what are the chances that literally all of them are just kiwifarmers?

all playing this secret game where they think they're upsetting others but the others are just dutifully playing their role and acting upset

sometimes they slip and make too clever of a post like this one

the biggest metagame of all time

Oh my god, a double-blind scenario where everyone's a Kiwifarmer but know one knows it...

I think I could sell that shit to Hollywood.

I hope at least some funny youtuber or something takes notice and makes a good spoof out of it. But then again, why would anyone successful still pay attention to the forum

[team filler]

People who are witnessing this please don't think badly of trans people or the lgbt community because of ResetEra. Please don't.

Gay here, co-signed. We're really a lovely group of people and a generally supportive community.

pissbaby chud here, tri-signed! we're only taking the piss, baby!

[Uncle]

do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

there was a time when a game would've been pulled from all storefronts for something like this, karens clutching their pearls

naughty gods wish they could include anything this bold in their own games

[Himu]

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do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

there was a time when a game would've been pulled from all storefronts for something like this, karens clutching their pearls

naughty gods wish they could include anything this bold in their own games

this is in cyberpunk?

Yoooo, we made it

[Don Rumata]

Re: Those ads

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Number 3 clearly seems to be setting up its character (possibly a trans person) as the butt of a joke. Bad.
Numbers 1 and 4 (maybe 2 as well, judging by the groping hands) have men of color as the target. I feel like over-sexualization of that group is pretty common and I'm not sure if CDPR had bad intent here, but something seems off.

Either way, my biggest question is: "Why do these ads exist in the world?"

Is there some deeper meaning to explain why the over-sexualized advertising is there and bad? Or is it just "DYSTOPIA! FUTURE BAD! EVERYONE SEXUALIZED!"

Counter argument: These ads are actually good, and i'd love to live in a world where i walk around and see all sorts of horny shit. 

[benjipwns]

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do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

That's a good example of what I mean. We all here understand TransEra even when we disagree with them. So it's easy to see how Cyberpunk2077 fails to meet their impossible unstated standards, but where they cross into being unhinged is thinking that trying, but failing to meet those standards is actively malicious on the part of CDPR. CDPR is obviously trying otherwise.

[BisMarckie]

I hope at least some funny youtuber or something takes notice and makes a good spoof out of it. But then again, why would anyone successful still pay attention to the forum

Dunkey's next drama monday will be lit, baybee

[paprikastaude]

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do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

there was a time when a game would've been pulled from all storefronts for something like this, karens clutching their pearls

naughty gods wish they could include anything this bold in their own games

But what about those instances where Cyberpunk fans and CDPR threatened their lifes, ...which resetti literally never backs with any concrete examples, for some reason (because they completely made the drama up).

[Uncle]

resetera's reaction is a psyop on maga neogaf chuds

normally they would freak the fuck out and try to boycott the game for having imagery like this

now seeing era's reaction, they have to like the game just to make them angrier

secretly getting phobes on board by pretending to hate all the LGBT content


it's a masterstroke
 

[benjipwns]

Counter argument: These ads are actually good, and i'd love to live in a world where i walk around and see all sorts of horny shit. 

You're just excited about the free version 3.0 upgrade to Mr. Stud.

[Tasty]

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do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

there was a time when a game would've been pulled from all storefronts for something like this, karens clutching their pearls

naughty gods wish they could include anything this bold in their own games

Virgin American/French prude studios: "Have some light girl on girl teehee "

Chad Polish CDPR: "HOMO HUNKS HUMPIN' IT UP! "

[Himu]

resetera's reaction is a psyop on maga neogaf chuds

normally they would freak the fuck out and try to boycott the game for having imagery like this

now seeing era's reaction, they have to like the game just to make them angrier

secretly getting phobes on board by pretending to hate all the LGBT content


it's a masterstroke
 

[BisMarckie]

filler coming through with the likes again

The mad man did it again

[Tasty]

resetera's reaction is a psyop on maga neogaf chuds

normally they would freak the fuck out and try to boycott the game for having imagery like this

now seeing era's reaction, they have to like the game just to make them angrier

secretly getting phobes on board by pretending to hate all the LGBT content


it's a masterstroke
 

This is how we infiltrate the Republicans

[Uncle]

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do I not play enough video games or is this not the most "shockingly" LGBT-positive imagery ever included in an AAA game ever?

there was a time when a game would've been pulled from all storefronts for something like this, karens clutching their pearls

naughty gods wish they could include anything this bold in their own games

Virgin American/French prude studios: "Have some light girl on girl teehee "

Chad Polish CDPR: "HOMO HUNKS HUMPIN' IT UP! "

Disney: "we made two girls kiss in the background of star wars if you look really close  "

Mass Effect Andromeda: "if you talk to this one minor NPC for 30 seconds she'll deadname herself, see it's trans representation  "

Cyberpunk: "BE SURE TO DO THE DOCKING SIDEQUEST YOU GET A LOT OF XP FOR THAT ONE  "

[Pissy F Benny]

People who are witnessing this please don't think badly of trans people or the lgbt community because of ResetEra. Please don't.

Gay here, co-signed. We're really a lovely group of people and a generally supportive community.

pissbaby chud here, tri-signed! we're only taking the piss, baby!

The Piss Daddy quad-signs

[clothedmacuser]

EDIT: ALSO, interracial couples are still definitely seen as a fetish to some people so that last ad was probably designed with that sort of thing in mind. I somehow can't see them making an ad with two black men embracing cause it's not "controversial" enough.

Shocking, if true.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53431849

[Himu]

Ok, that's a flat out troll.

[Himu]

i've come to a conclusion similar to Uncle's.

This is uncharted territory as far as lgbt representation comes in video games and because it's so fucking different people who are used to not being represented in this capacity are freaking out about it because they're not used to trans people for instance, being so visible in a AAA vidya game.

[paprikastaude]

EDIT: ALSO, interracial couples are still definitely seen as a fetish to some people so that last ad was probably designed with that sort of thing in mind. I somehow can't see them making an ad with two black men embracing cause it's not "controversial" enough.

Shocking, if true.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53431849

you with the Cyberpunk avatar don't give me a lot of feelings that this is all in good faith

[benjipwns]

Also, you want a good sexualized ad with a trans person? Just assume the first ad is a trans man. Boom, acceptable. See how it doesn't bring focus to them being trans in that situation?

um, what

[Ghoul]

What amazes me is the game isn’t even in their hands yet, we’re just getting started here.

Will be interesting to see how the OT works out. Or will you just have the gang from the CDPR thread derailing that one? Also how big is the disclaimer about the transphobia gonna be? I really hope they don’t copy the whole CDPR main post into it.... We shall see.

[Pissy F Benny]

So the rampant transphobia in the game was an imagined conspiracy theory all along

[HaughtyFrank]

Also, you want a good sexualized ad with a trans person? Just assume the first ad is a trans man. Boom, acceptable. See how it doesn't bring focus to them being trans in that situation?

um, what

Every videogame is actually amazing at trans representation when you imagine that every character is a trans-man or -woman. Boom the perfect trans representation has always been there.

Advanced students also imagine all the white guys as poc. Boom diversity solved

[benjipwns]

The "its a dystopia, duh" is the argument I'm seeing the most from my irl friends who would otherwise consider themselves fairly left-leaning.

The basic problem with the argument is that at least in terms of in world advertising, the only way this works as dystopian is if we all accept on a base level that objectifying and fetishizing people just to sell a product is immoral.

Wait, isn't this the ENTIRE ARGUMENT of the thread's claim to transphobia? That fetishizing a trans person is inherently immoral?

[maninthemirror]

The "its a dystopia, duh" is the argument I'm seeing the most from my irl friends who would otherwise consider themselves fairly left-leaning.

The basic problem with the argument is that at least in terms of in world advertising, the only way this works as dystopian is if we all accept on a base level that objectifying and fetishizing people just to sell a product is immoral.

Wait, isn't this the ENTIRE ARGUMENT of the thread's claim to transphobia? That fetishizing a trans person is inherently immoral?

Transphobia was never an issue. They just labelled the representation as transphobia in order to signal boost their argument which is that trans folks are sexualised even thought everyone is sexualised . There is no transphobia. Trans folks are not hated, they are represented. Everyone in this game is a bitch . It’s just that transera wanted trans folks as the only ones not be assholes in the game they wanted special heroic status

[benjipwns]

Several trans posters have posted saying they do want an OT, and have given their reasons for wanting one. I think it's totally fine to advocate for the changes you personally want to see, but I would be cautious about speaking on others' behalf and treating the community as a monolith.

[Uncle]

Also, you want a good sexualized ad with a trans person? Just assume the first ad is a trans man. Boom, acceptable. See how it doesn't bring focus to them being trans in that situation?

um, what

Every videogame is actually amazing at trans representation when you imagine that every character is a trans-man or -woman. Boom the perfect trans representation has always been there.

Advanced students also imagine all the white guys as poc. Boom diversity solved

I think this is actually an important question for this game though

this is a world where if you don't like your body you can just change it and be whoever you want to be

so when you are born trans in cyberpunk world, don't you just modify yourself to all outward appearances perfectly cis-presenting?

so creating a male or female character, yeah they could easily have been trans, if you imagine it, it makes sense in that world

what is the alternative for portraying a trans character in cyberpunk?

isn't it pretty offensive to assume that to be trans, you have to be flawed in some way?  creating a character who looks like a girl with a thick beard or a boy with breasts?  I mean yes you can make that with this character creator if you like, but if you declare "this character is trans due to these characteristics" then it really falls into the trap of how less accepting people imagine trans people to be

making an ugly character on purpose to declare them trans is fucked up, in this game just make a cis-looking character and they've achieved their goal, they're self-fulfilled and living their best life (such that it is, in cyberpunk)

[joeboy101]

Indeed, I perfectly understand that, and that would be the ideal, in theory. I perfectly understand why they would want that and have no problem with that, especially since I have no place to, not actually be trans myself.

Nonetheless, having such a thread comes down to if the staff is actually up to the task of keeping it moderated.

And based on what just happened in previous threads for the game, where they were seemingly left completely unmoderated for hours while people just lavished praise on people like Black Chamber and low-key blamed transgender members of the community for causing problems and all kinds of nonsense, with no communication or anything... That leaves me really skeptical to how the OT will actually be handled.

And that's without even touching on stuff like the complete mess of review threads that have all been locked, but nonetheless were all messes before they were.

And of course all that is without even beginning to touch on what happened with Black Chamber directly.

I'd love to be wrong, and for us to be able to have one, and for it to go well.

I'm just skeptical at this point.

I hope to dear god I'm wrong, for the sake of those members who do indeed want it for perfectly valid reasons.

Just based on everything that's happened at this point... My fear of a repeat is overwhelming and makes me terrified of how it will go, even with the best of intentions and everyone trying their best.

Again, since I'm not trangender myself, I suppose it's not my place to worry on their behalf and have these concerns if they don't and are willing to give it a try.

But I just have a terrible feeling based on everything thus far, which is really hard to shake, and that's where I'm coming from in terms of my own position.

But indeed, it's ultimately should be the transgender community to make the call on this, I feel. And if they're willing to give it a try and want to be optimistic and hope for the best and it all works out or keep pushing forward even if it doesn't, then yeah, I give them my full support then.
 

Talking down to transgenders. You hate to see it. Plus the review threads were locked within 30 minutes. They really want on-call Mods they can flash the signal to for bans?

"The thread was unmodded and the posters... *sniffle* heaped PRAISE on BC."

Oh my god, how did you make it out alive. And yet they still try to avoid the Snowflake tag, deflecting it at others.

 

[BisMarckie]

Again, since I'm not trangender myself, I suppose it's not my place to worry on their behalf and have these concerns if they don't and are willing to give it a try.

 

Talking down to transgenders. You hate to see it. Plus the review threads were locked within 30 minutes. They really want on-call Mods they can flash the signal to for bans?

Wait what?

In the first line of this screed(the only thing I read) they say:
"Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense."

[joeboy101]

Again, since I'm not trangender myself, I suppose it's not my place to worry on their behalf and have these concerns if they don't and are willing to give it a try.

 

Talking down to transgenders. You hate to see it. Plus the review threads were locked within 30 minutes. They really want on-call Mods they can flash the signal to for bans?

Wait what?

In the first line of this screed(the only thing I read) they say:
"Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense."

 

Troll letting the mask slip.

[paprikastaude]

They should've released Cyberpunk a month earlier with a few more bugs, so it could've won the Keighley GotY.

Imagine all the people resetti would have needed to cancel for attending the Dorito pope's cringe show

edit: On the other hand, that extends the drama for another year, if their forum can survive it

[benjipwns]

There are definitely some other people / groups that I'm side-eyeing a little bit after today though, like Hasan.

"What do you mean this is a good way to get groupthink?"

[nudemacusers]

Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense.

Obviously, I knew nothing about him being a Trumper or anything. But just his past behavior in the past few days was enough outside of that.

In addition, while we members don't have access to ban histories, the staff definitely does? Why was that not checked, at all, any point?

And ban history aside, that still leaves the question of why the concerns of TransEra were completely ignored and the staff gave so much deference and benefit of doubt to this person. Why? Even without their ban history, why put so much weight on them and completely ignore the concerns of TransEra? Why did this one person mean so much to begin with?

And that was of course then, which was scary enough.

But now with hindsight, it's even scarier.

Because why exactly was Black Chamber making so many threads on Cyberpunk, why did they want to be the face of the OT, why did they have their own discord, why did they ignore the concerns of transgender members in the OT instead of just saying that a paragraph was supposedly planned to be in an OT all along?

Because with all these revelations about them being a Trumper and not giving a fuck and all that, it seems pretty clear: they were indeed doing every bit of it on purpose, almost certainly to deliberately stoke hostilities against the transgender community here.

Because think about it.

We know they're a Trumper and they don't give a fuck.

And due to people like Android Sophia we knew there was indeed intended to be a paragraph to support transgender members in the actual OT supposedly.

But that's something Black Chamber themselves refused to say and just beat around the bush on.

Why?

Knowing they're a Trumper, it makes perfect sense.

The whole goal along all along was to foster hostilities against the transgender community here.

And just looking at the reactions in the Night City Wire OT, with how many people he had on his side on singing and his praises and all that, he got pretty damn close to doing just that.

Not just close.

Since transgender members have actually left the site due to all this, you could even say he was successful in that goal.

And that's disgusting and unacceptable.

Because the staff had multiple points they could have put a stop to all of this, even before his history came out.

He made a gameplan, to play the longgame, and the sad thing is, despite being permed, he still won, by creating those schisms and getting multiple transgender members of the community to leave, and that's purely on the staff for not nipping it in the bud and actually taking the time to listen to the transgender community, ban history or no ban history, tweets or no tweets, or whatever.

They could have just listened to the concerns of the transgender community, instead of putting the interests of some nobody OT-starter and making backroom deals with them instead and putting all of that above the transgender community.

They could have just checked their own fucking backlogs.

They could have done so many things, but they failed to do each and every one of them.

There were so many things that could have been done.

So many. But they failed at every point instead.

There was a point I trusted the staff. The staff themselves can vouch for this if they have access to my post report history because for a while, I made a point of trying to remember to thank them for their hard work whenever I reported a post. I didn't always remember to do that. But I tried my best.

But those days are gone.

Because this is a fuckup beyond fuckups.

All trust I have for the staff of this site is completely gone.

Just zip. Zero. Zilch.

Because even before their actual history came out, there were still so many points, so many opportunities to avoid every bit of this.

But none of them were taken and Black Chamber was given the benefit of the doubt over the transgender community, all their suspicions and misgivings, everything.

And that's something I can not easily forget or forgive.

THAT SAID, I am thankful and very appreciative for being unbanned early. I truly do appreciate that.

But in the name of full transparency, I feel like I have to share the ban appeal tickets I made while I was banned, which I never got a single response to on any single one of them, and which I do feel, especially collectively, do a very good job of summing up why this was all handled so terribly, even without knowing about any of Black Chamber's ban history or tweets or anything and I just wouldn't feel right if this wasn't shared for all to see, as yeah, it really demonstrates how I feel and why this was so badly handled, revealing ban history or tweets or no (dashes indicate the end of one post I made in my ban appeal and the start of another new post in the appeal ticket):

And I do realize there is indeed some hostility in what I'm about to quote. But I hope that can be forgiven because this was originally written in the context of a ban appeal thread and is just me quoting it verbatim, with nothing hidden because I don't want to hide that and the whole point is honesty and transparency here, so I hope that can be understood in that context and not lead to anything or be taken outside of the context of a then-banned member naturally being frustrated at their situation and being powerless to change what was happening and going on outside in the forum while they were banned, desperately wanting to say so, SO very much and just not being able and being tremendously frustrated by what I was seeing and reading and not being able to do anything about that, and so yeah, I hope it can be understood in that context.

With that said, here's everything I said in my ban appeal thread for my situation:

"
Hello. ShironRedshift. I'd like to appeal my ban. Well, no. I'm not sure you can call this a ban appeal exactly. Because I know what I did was wrong and crossed the line. I fully admitted that when I made the posts I did.

However, I nonetheless want the staff to hear my side and how it feels like your leaving minority members like me with no options. That no matter which option we choose, civility, hostility, or anywhere between, that they're ALL bad and ALL lead to negative consequences in their own way.

But like I said in later posts in the same thread, it's a case of learned helplessness.

That civility has gotten nowhere. That the whole point of keeping the threads on Cyberpunk open, according to the mods, was to among other things help to educate others on transgender issues.

But not only has that not happened, but the whole disagreement that lead into the confrontation that lead to be getting banned in the first place was, nevermind the subject of education in general, it didn't even touch on that, but it all started with a dispute with rather a single paragraph, a single paragraph was too much or not.

Which, as it turns out, the plan was to include that paragraph...?

But the person who will be the OP of the thread denied that for reasons unknown and strung them along for no discernible reason in that case and just increased hostilities all around.

Many tried to be more civil than me in the initial (locked) thread that ultimately lead to nothing. Just more dismissive responses, as has been the case since this whole saga with this game began.

Which then lead to me seeing that, seeing so many wonderful people trying their best to be so incredibly, incredibly patient, and it not working and them only being dismissed. That even if the mods indeed banned many of the offenders, many more just came to replace them in return. Certainly no learning was happening.

Which in turn lead to my hostile response. Which I knew wouldn't fix anything either. Which I knew would lead to be being banned as I said, so I can't truly complain.

But at the same time, what was I to do?

Civility is a complete failure that lead to nothing.

And hostility obviously is also nonetheless both wrong and lead to people such as myself being banned.

And then of course there's the option of just doing nothing.

But that just leads to a feeling of learned helplessness, uselessness, and depression, things I certainly don't need more of as I already struggle with social anxiety and depression and mental illness.

Just all options are bad in their own way.

Be civil? Nothing changes, and we keep going in circles.

Get hostile, and vent some of my true feelings? I get banned.

Give into helplessness? My anxiety and depression goes into overdrive?

What are people like me SUPPOSED TO DO?

Like, I'm honestly asking here.

I know what I said and did was wrong and crossed the line.

But civility was not working (and clearly continues to work, as the person I believe I was believe the person I responded to got a lesser ban for me and will potentially still share a role in creating the Cyberpunk OT despite their own ban, so what exactly does that say about where civility gets you in matters of transphobia and the like? That as long as your civil about and do it in a polite way you'll be comparatively rewarded? Surely that can't be the intended message, but it's the message that's sent regardless of whether it's intended or not).

And obviously hostility just leads to stuff like my own ban.

And doing nothing and just sitting passively while this goes on does nothing for my anxiety and depression?

So what is the answer?

Because I've got nothing.

Like I said, I can't honestly say this is an appeal for my ban, because I knew what would happen when I made that post and knew the risks.

But I don't know what in the world I'm supposed to do, because every possible option is bad, so that being the case, being surrounded by a variety of bad options, I just picked the bad option that would at least let me vent my feelings.

That's not a defense. I know it's not.

But this is a subject that needs to be handled better in general, is what I am saying I suppose.

How, I'm not sure.

But certainly it needs to be handled better than a way that only gives minority members such as myself 3 options (1. Be civil to our abusers while they're abusing us and maybe they're banned, maybe they're not, either way only to be replaced by others who don't care and go back to square one 2.) Vent our true feelings and get banned for it or 3.) Just be quiet and silent and give into learned helplessness and depression).

None of those options are good. Not a single one of them.

But as far as I can see it, those are the only three options minority members have.

Like, I'm not good at this type of thing (likely in part because of my social anxiety and autism, and like, I've mentioned this before I believe in certain post reports and stuff, that I myself used to be a moderator of a global large forum when I was a teenager, NarutoFan forums, around like, god, like 2007 or 2008, when Naruto was pretty much at the peak of its popularity, and I pretty much gave that power away and switched into being in the "Advisor" role for inactive staff precisely because among other things I realized I was no good at it and definitely didn't have the answers, so I'm certainly not one to give advice.

And bans in particular even then were one of the trickiest subjects that gave me the most anxiety even back then, because judging what crossed the line and what didn't and if it did cross the line exactly how much time it deserves and how stuff like prior bans should factor in or signs of changed behavior and so many other things, even with an entire mods-only board to discuss exactly that type of thing, there's just so many factors to consider that among the things that gave me the most anxiety about being a global moderator, bans were definitely at the top of the list and I was terrified of screwing them up.

But anyway, the point being, that having been there, I realize precisely how difficult being a moderator and making these decisions are, how it's just so very much incredibly gray so many times and there are no easy answers and it's just a bunch of unpaid people trying their best to make due with something incredibly stressful and not having any type of instruction manual and just trying to do their best. I feel that so much, having been in that position once upon a time on a site that, god, I can't remember how many active users it had at that time, but it had to at least rival this if not exceed it.

But at the same time, the status quo certainly cannot stand.

Because it only leaves minority members such as transgender individuals with three options, which all suck:

1.) Be civil to their oppressors and just wait for the mods to ban them, which the staff does a good job of doing, but doesn't do anything to make up for the hurt caused by them in the meantime and also doesn't take away from how for how each one that's banned, two more seem to crawl out of nowhere, just making the whole approach incredibly frustrating, when it's certainly not being met in return with civility and doesn't seem to lead to many of the promised opportunities for learning and growth.

2.) Let some of our true feelings flow and basically, in, uh, less than polite language, tell them to get lost, which just leads to we ourselves getting banned.

3.) Doing nothing. Which is just the thing. Nothing. And by it's very nature, changes nothing. Leading to stuff like feelings of learned helplessness, feelings of not belonging or not being cared about, feelings of anxiety or depression, and so forth.

None of these are good options, but they seem to be the only three on the table.

And that's what I'm asking to change.

I don't know how. Like I said, I've been in the position of being a global moderator in the past. I don't envy it. That's part of why I left, so I know it's kind of hypocritical for someone like me to ask for answers I couldn't find and just ran away from.

But nonetheless, I suppose this isn't so much an appeal for my ban, but for the sake of the transgender community, among so many communities on the site, such as AsianEra and what they're dealing with in the Monster Hunter threads and such (like even with Capcom itself admitting fault while trying to pass the blame and the movie itself potentially being banned in China, still trying to deny the racism. And of course they get banned, which is great, but that doesn't change how much hurt those posts cause in the first place, especially since it's the same problem of basically playing whack-a-mole), that something needs to change.

I don't know what those answers are.

And I really have no right to ask the staff to figure out stuff that I couldn't and ran away from myself when I was a mod (for much lesser problems in my case, because it wasn't even anything like transphobia or stuff like that I was fearful over how long to ban people over, but just your run of the mill flamewars over people getting to angry and hostile over who the best character in the series is and stuff like that and attacking each other over having the "wrong" opinion, just stuff like that was too much with my social anxiety).

Nonetheless, while I don't have the answers, I know this can't be sustained. So I'm using the opportunity hear to ask the mods to do just that. Because while I don't have the answers, the status quo can't go on, that's for sure.

Thank you for your time, and have a wonderful day.

REAL NAME CENSORED

AKA ShironRedshift (and in the NarutoFan days aka Shiron and MeijinNoKori and IceMasterHitsugayaKun and Payaso Coronado along with a bunch of other names I've forgotten)

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And I'd like to append this. Just look at what in the world happened when the Night City Wire thread was unlocked:

Post after post thanking the person who made a mockery of transgender member's concerns, apparently planning the whole time to have the paragraph they wanted in the OP while at the same time not just saying that and letting hostilities rise for no reason.

That person is getting post after post of thanks with no mention of transgender member concerns whatsoever:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

etc.

These people are being "civil" but their civility is a direct insult to transgender members of the community, especially with no acknowledgment of what happened and how it affected transgender members, just "thanks" all the same.

And since that's "civil" that's apparently fine.

What in the world are transgender and other minority members supposed to do with that?

Like I said previously, it just feels like there's no winning move.

You try to be civil in return, you get dismissed as complaining over as nothing.

You get hostile, you yourself get banned.

Or you give into learned helplessness in some way or another.

This has to change.

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And this is all the more insulting when Black Chamber himself didn't even apologize and this was his first response:

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If the impressions are true, then the patches pre-release + day 1 should fix the bugs, and press normally gets access to special builds with these patches applied. In 2 years time, an unpatched (or day1) version of the game will look a mess compared to where we end up, it’s just the nature of...
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No acknowledgment of wrongdoing or any harm to the transgender community, just thanking people for supporting him for no fucking reason. While more "thanks" posts flood in:

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you can't sit in every chair or bench. Small touches that lend to imersion aren;t there apparently. Ah I see, thanks. Maybe one for a future patch but don’t see it knocking any pints off the MC
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Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
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Like seriously. That's a fuckton of posts.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THE FUCK MORE THAN THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY GOT!

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE POSTS IN SUPPORT OF THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, THAT AREN'T COMING FROM THE TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY THEMSELVES?

Whereas people are just flooding into that thread, just flooding in to thank Black Chamber .

How is that supposed to make transgender members of the community feel appreciated, or safe, at all?

What message does that send?

Like seriously. Just think about this from the perspective of a transgender member.

The trans community is getting next to no support whereas person after person after person is flooding into to support Black Chamber in particular without even the slightest acknowledgment of what happened.

Part of the reason the OT was supposed to be allowed to be open was so that transgender members could address their concerns.

Even if they are indeed allowed to do that, they're clearly being ignored and falling on completely deaf ears.

If that isn't a demonstration of that, well, I can't think of anything that could possibly be more clear.

Whatever experiment the staff was trying with the Cyberpunk threads has been a complete failure that just allows people to be "civilly" disrespectful to transgender members of the community with no consequence, whereas there's nothing they can do about it.

That's not how things should be.

Not remotely close.

Again, whatever experiment was being tried is clearly a complete failure at this point, I don't see how one can draw any other conclusion in good faith.

I'm not sure what the answer is at this point, I'm not an answer person as I said, but if anything this has made me more convinced then ever that Cyberpunk should not be allowed any form of Review thread or OT thread WHATSOEVER, because after so many floods of posts like that, a complete deluge of posts, what's the point?

What does the staff expect to happen at this point?

Please, I'm not asking to be unbanned.

I'm asking for the staff to reconsider their policy on Cyberpunk getting an OT.

Because it's more clear than ever whatever experiment was being tried is a complete failure and is only driving members away.

So please, for the sake of the community, so people can feel safe, I'm begging you, honestly begging you, to reconsider.

No game is worth that.

Or at least no game should be.

Please, just put a stop to it.

Please.

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And it just continues to be a complete trainwreck, with so many members complaining about "dogpiling" while not giving a single fuck about the transgender community and how they're being harmed:

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ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
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ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
ERA mods, you are not handling this at all well if you think this person is in any way capable of showing the respect and recognition that Trans ERA deserves. least surprising aspect of all of this (other than the future revelation that OP is on CDPR's payroll), moderation has been shocking and...
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Not a word of concern for transgender members. It's all about dogpiling the poor, poor OP.

This is not sustainable. This does no one any good.

At this point, it's very clear that unfortunately it's between this game and the transgender community.

And I hope the staff does the right thing and picks the community, and tells anyone who has a problem with that to get lost.

But either way, this cannot last or be sustained. Things need to change because it's disgusting how the transgender community is being thrown under the bus for an OP the vast majority of people defending him of course don't actually know, but care about infinitely more than the transgender community, because ?

The experiment has failed, and something needs to change.

Please.

Please.

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To add one more thing to this, in addition to the whole subject of transphobia, I have to admit one more particular reason this bothers me is because of a particular mistake I made while I was a global mod/advisor of the NarutoFan forums.

While I was active there, one of the things that happened was legal Crunchyroll fansubs popped up for Naruto for the first time.

But of course not only that. At the same time, for lack of a better term, a "bootleg" group called BakaSubs I believe also popped up, whose whole thing was somehow managing to get access to Crunchyroll's fansubs before they actually went live, and releasing them early, through torrents and the like, while pretty much claiming them as their own work and getting internet fame off releasing other people's work, legal work, early.

Seeing this, I so badly wanted to bring up the idea of completely banning discussion/leaks to BakaSubs because fansubs were bad enough and still a thing at the time, but those were stolen official subs, and there was no reason for there to be links for them period instead of telling them to wait.

Moreover, because there were legal versions of subs, that is, Crunchryroll's actual stuff, I also pondered whether links to fansubs should be allowed at all.

Because yes, for most me, Crunchyroll's fansubs would be a week behind the Japanese release.

But it was still a legal way of watching the series, with no consequences.

So I so desperately wanted to bring up the discussion of banning not only links to BakaSubs, but banning links to Naruto fansubs in the Anime section period, as they were not only still obviously illegal but completely unnecessary and if someone can't wait one week, just one goddamn week, well, they can get fucked at that point, was my thought process.

But due to a combination of my social anxiety, being scared that I would be laughed out of the room, and knowing that even if the mod team somehow did agree with me and hear me out, Tazmo (the owner of both the forums and the main site at the time) would still have links to fansubs on the main site regardless gave me so much pause I never so much as actually broached the subject.

And this is all something that went down over 10 years ago at this point.

But I still regret not brining it up, because, well, of course, even bringing up the subject would have been a scary change from the status quo of weekly threads for that stuff and there's no way of knowing if I would have just been laughed out of the room, and even if I weren't, how such change would be received.

To put it in short, I know the thoughts going through my head were the right thing to do but my social anxiety and fear of change just made me do nothing and let problems like that continue to fester instead.

And my choice of inaction, not knowing what happens if I would have acted differently, if even if I hadn't fought against fansubs in general and the hard work put in the animation team, if I had at least stuck up for the hard work of the people working for Crunchyroll at the very least instead of passively letting thread after thread be made for BakaSubs each week instead and let them get credit for stealing their work just because they released it earlier...

It still haunts me from time to time, even all this time later, how things might be different had I at least opened my mouth and got a discussion going in the modroom.

The point of this whole diatribe?

I don't want anyone on the staff on the site to make the same type of mistakes I made, to potentially have the same regrets over inaction that I do even years after the fact. The wondering if they did the right thing or not. The wondering if they could have done something more.

Because that stuff doesn't go away, even years after you stop visiting a site like that.

At least it doesn't for me.

Because yeah, I can only speak to my personal case. But in that case, a decade later, those regrets and doubts and questions still linger.

And in my case, that's just over stuff about how we should handle a very particular type of illegal content on a fansite.

That ain't even touching on subjects like transphobia, attacks on people who they are as human beings which they have absolutely no control over. Something that has a very real affect on many members of the community's mental well being and sense of safety.

So yeah, the points of all that being, if I still have regrets over not speaking up over BakaSubs and perhaps fansubs in general on the fansite I moderated over a decade ago, I can't imagine how heavily some of the decisions that have to be made, one way or the one, are weighing on the staff right now, because if what I went through wasn't easy, I can't begin to imagine how the decisions on what to do or not do or whatever about this situation is

But the point being that whatever is decided, make sure it's something that you won't have any regrets over.

Because whether it's a decision I agree with or not, I don't want any of the staff to go through what I did and have regrets about doing the right thing or not, regrets about being silent when you should have spoken up, or anything like that.

Even if it's not what I and others want to hear, I want to make sure that whatever decision is made is one that will allow for no regrets, because doing otherwise just isn't worth it.

So please. I know you probably don't need to hear any of this from me, and might even find this condescending, and I don't blame you if so, but I suppose this is a case of me myself not wanting to have any further regrets than I already do and not wanting to repeat the mistakes I personally made in the past, and not speak up when I could have.

Because the only way to know how things will go is if you do indeed speak up. Nothing starts until then.

As one of my favorite video game quotes go,

"Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere"

"Not even Jupiter can find a lost opportunity."

So please, whatever you do decide, don't let this be your own lost opportunity.

And that's all I want to say for now I guess.

Be well.

ShironRedshift.

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I just have to say, I'm furious about the latest developments with Black Chamber.

Why the fuck DO THEY GET TO SELF-REQUEST THEIR BAN?

WHY DID THE MOD TEAM NOT CHOOSE TO BAN THEM THEMSELVES?

AND WHY DID THEY SEEM TO SPECIFICALLY REQUEST THEIR BAN LENGTH AND TIME IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESUMABLY STILL LET THEM HAVE CONTROL OVER THE OT?

WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ACCOMPLISH?

Like, you saw what happened earlier, when the thread was locked? Upon the thread being unlocked, they were immediately treated like a martyr just for the thread being locked:

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
If some people are lacking the context, the original unfiltered back-and-forth is pretty straightforward and easy to follow. 👇 Speaking of the OT. Will there be a blurb in it welcoming the Trans community and while there maybe some questionable content regarding them, that they are wanted in...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Cyberpunk 2077 Night City WIRE: Episode 5 |OT| Time moves in one direction, memory in another [Media Impressions, Console Footage & Discussion] OT
Thank you for maintaining the thread and the discord despite everything that's been going on. I know it can't be easy to walk the line like you have been doing. And I'm glad you have maintained the idea that everyone is welcome for the OT. I think it's important that the thread is open for...
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com

Like, seriously. THAT'S what happened just with a thread being temporarily locked.

If they're indeed the OT for the thread, what in the world do you think will happen if they are indeed the OP of the thread, especially considering the ban is apparently self-requested on the part of Black Chamber instead of being actual staff action.

They'll be hailed as a larger martyr even more so than ever when they come back.

This in no way helps the transgender community.

This is clearly Black Chamber seeing the hero's welcome they got for a thread being LOCKED for a tiny period of time for all things, and using that as a chance to get the same hero's welcome in a month's time.

This is something the mods should have done THEMSELVES, NOT VOLUNTARING IN A PERSON WHO'S ALEADY WRONGED THE TRANGENDER COMMUNITY'S ATTEMPT TO JUST MAKE THEMSELVES EVEN MORE OF A MARTYR.

And to put a cap on it all, if it was truly wrong what Black Chamber did, why did he have to volunteer to be banned?

Why did the staff not ban him of their own volition?

The staff might be oblivious to it, but after the reaction they got from a thread being locked of all things, it's just a very transparent attempt at making himself a martyr, and it's disgusting to see the staff go along with it instead of just banning him outright and remove OT privileges.

Like, seriously, if you ignore everything else, just look at the response Black Chamber got from a thread being LOCKED OF ALL THINGS.

Look at those posts I linked. Look at them.

And then take a second thought about why someone like that might want to suddenly take a self-ban, instead of, y'know, just being outright banned from the staff.

Whether it's intentional or not, you're walking into dangerous territory. And I can't say I'm a fan of that.

It might be well-intentioned on the part of the staff, but this is not the way this should be handled.

At all.

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Like seriously, this is beyond insane at this point.

By Android Sophia's own admittance:

CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.
These chuds and others like them spend their entire life day-in-day-out obsessing over us. Best not to pay them that much mind. Yup. Living rent-free in many places.
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Communications were held with Black Chamber to arrive at this "resolution" of sorts.

But were any communications at all, a single one, held with the transgender community over this, the very people he hurt?

Because it sure doesn't seem like there were any.

Why does he get to talk to staff and decide his own "punishment" of sorts?

Why were the transgender community not involved whatsoever?

And on top of that, like I said, just looking at how the thread reacted when it was reopened after briefly being locked and him getting a hero's welcome just for that of all things, how can you possibly think this is a good situation no matter how you slice it?

I was already disappointed with the staff over this, and I only get more and more so as this continues.

Because how is someone like myself, or the transgender community supposed to interpret this or read into this?

That you reached out to Black Chamber in private but had no communications with the transgender community whatsoever, no public ones or anything obvious anyway?

How is that supposed to be interpreted other than the staff caring more about Black Chamber / Cyberpunk more than the transgender community that this is apparently the way things went down?

Like I've said, I've just continued to get more and more disappointed in the staff in this goes on and this doesn't help.

Please, PLEASE reconsider what you're doing here.

Please consider why you reached out to Black Chamber but not the transgender community.

Please consider the hero's welcome Black Chamber got for a thread being locked for a few hours and think about what will happen when he comes back from a self-chosen ban after a month.

Please, please think all this through again.

Because even if this is being done with the best of intentions, regardless of what those intentions may be or how well they may be intentioned, this will not help things and only make things worse.

So please reconsider this approach.

For the sake of the transgender community, and the site as a whole.

Please.

Please.

Don't let things go like this. Nothing good will come of it. The reactions from the thread being locked already demonstrate that.

Please don't repeat what's already failed.

Please, please listen, even though as a currently banned member, I know I have no right to ask that and especially to keep hounding you with messages like this.

But regardless, the point being, no matter how good the intentions of the staff may be here, this will not end well and will not help so I beg for some reconsideration on this matter.

Please.

Please.

Thank you for your time.

ShironRedshift"
 

Great post, read every word of it.

+1

just want to say i've started reading this post and will reply to specific paragraphs at a later date.

quick update: almost done reading the post. please like and subscribe so I can reach the finish line and provide the kind of great content that you, my fans, love.

You could have at least left a like for my work copying and pasting that entire thing.

my bad, i'll get to that right after I'm finished reading the quoted post, and this post below:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53426071

What's going on y'all,

What an absolute utter shitshow. I got caught up and quite simply, I'm not surprised. Not the least bit in regards to how this further broke down entirely. Im know some of you feel hurt and you shouldn't have had to deal with all the anxiety and trolling thats been going on in the past 48Hrs. Idk how much Im able to contribute in regards to advice but having dealt with this type of internet animosity before I wanted to share some experience Ive gained and hopefully that can possibly help us all get past this and back to enjoying your browsing time on the site



- Make a Discord and hunker down

I know you have a TransERA Community thread and Im unaware if you all have made a discord in conjunction to it. I highly suggest doing so as it will allow you all to consolidate your community and protect yourselves further from extraneous animosity. You all are well aware of the more visible posters who represent your community so start there and start working your way out. Start with the people that actually post in your Community OT or even this thread and do whatever you need to do to keep that circle tight. Sometimes its tough to question an account that nobody is familiar with and not wanting be exclusionary but you have to be vigilant against the "troll spies" who look to document and post on other sites. Your peace of mind is worth more than that. Rely on the users you know you can trust and allow newer unfamiliar users to build that trust. A good way of doing that is maybe having a policy where you must be present in the TransOT for a certain amount of time before graduating to the Discord. After a while you will build a solid coalition of posters who can support each other and you'll only be more stronger for it


- Open a dialogue with the ERA mods

This is the hardest suggestion to make right now because the wounds are fresh as hell and I can feel the anger behind the situation. I was in the exact same place once before and angry with how moderation was set up but over time I was able to realize that they don't want to see the site in this manner either and the last thing they would want is shit breaking down because it would make their efforts pointless. simply put, the mods fucked up with this. Ill say it again, the mods fucked up. And it doesn't help with there being a history of this leading up to the current silly shit going on. Allow them to take the steps to repair the damage, allow them to prove to y'all that they are willing and able to foster a better community so the bullshit doesn't happen again. It looks like Kyuuji does have that line of contact and that should be a hard established link moving forward. I saw Android Sophia post about how heartbroken she was over this not only being a mod but also a member of your community and thats the exact person you need to establish your bridge. Every community on ERA should have a mod representative of that community. Remember the Discord? Sophia should be a part of that and the you'll have line of direct contact if you were to have any questions or spitball ideas about how you all can move forward. I know right now its tough to try to establish that trust, I totally understand that. I don't expect that to come back today, tommorrow, or next Tuesday. But what you all should know is that you do have support on the other side and people advocating for your success. Bring them closer and push them to represent your needs.


- Don't take visits to Pissbaby Land and ChudWorld

Its a symptom of palace intrigue and you'll feel inclined just by pure curiosity to take a look at what the pissbabys are up to. Its not worth it. I tell you from experience. I even went with my own name and they were so fucking dumb they didn't even believe it was me. Theres nothing there for you, and you'll just be subjecting yourself to their whining and written filth they spew. Your mental health is worth more than that. Don't bring their filth to ERA threads because quite simply, they aren't worth an ounce of your time or energy. Not a speck of it. Whats the smallest molecule of matter? A Quark? They aren't worth a fucking quark of your energy. These are miserable fucking people who virtually have nothing going for them but these video games and the culture it breeds. Their bullshit president is out (even he's losing his fucking mind), More and more people speak out against their bullshit, and the world continues to become more and more diverse, Along with the gaming community that they want to hide away in because they can't handle reality. They are raging, throwing anything against the wall to make something stick. Thats how pathetic they are. Don't entertain that. Combat them here, let them come to you and embarrass themselves to get that one post off before a perm. Let them waste their time with VPNS and sign up processes. This is a long haul, and while things are a lil hectic over on this side, look where the hell they are, failing websites and hate holes where they endlessly cry about another website they stalk daily. How fucking sad.


- Don't Give Up

The only possible goal that chuds could possibly organize for is to cause you strife. Everything they do is for the purpose of making you feel small, but none of you are small. Quite the opposite, you'll have some of the biggest hearts on the planet and that equals power. Thats why it pained me to see some of you lend so much good faith to obvious shitbirds that try to mess you. There was times I was ready to walk from the site, but what really kept me was thinking about all the people who don't have accounts, who read these boards and see these messages of support. Thats worth it to me, if it can make someone who feels alone in the world find comfort that there are others willing to fight for them.

All the nerds love Demons Souls right? Theres a quote from that game that I ended up loving a lot ironically

"You have a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you"

Thats so true its crazy. Defend yourselves fiercely and boldly. Defend your identity. Defend your love. Thats your birthright. You are allowed to be happy, You are allowed to love yourself, and you are allowed to fight for that. Ill get in a lil trouble here cuz it might square with ERA's hostility clause, but you are not entitled to give ANYONE who doesn't respect you ANY respect in return. Respect is earned, not granted. And there are quite a few topics that simply are NOT up for discussion. Your safety and livelihood is one of them. When the chads come JAQing off in threads, they don't deserve benefit of the doubt with no work. Its quite honestly a tell sign of someone trying to thread the needle of civility and antagonization. Clearly with the current events, we've seen just how damn effective it can be and you can combat that just by being vigilant.

Here's a way to look at it. Like a teacher and a student with a math problem.

If the student comes to the teacher and says "I can't sove this problem" and show them a blank paper, well..... you didn't even try. You usually get a 0 for that. Theres a wealth of resources on this web to educate ones self or get a primer before looking for outside assistance.

However, if that student shows the teacher a paper full of math work, even thought the answer may be wrong, we can see exactly what steps were taken and where the student may have went wrong or what specific part they don't understand. They showed effort. They showed faith in themselves to try to understand an issue without being spooned the answer. That student always gets credit. Because student showed effort.

Let people show you effort before you indulge them. And if they rebuke what is being told to them immediately after they just inquired about it, thats another tell, a frankly common one


Anyway lemme not drone on and on but I felt it would be worth sharing this knowledge with you all. Things will get better, just stay frosty. Remain vigilant and most importantly, protect your peace. That has value, all of you have value. Id press a button and delete every video game on earth if it meant transpeople could finally live in acceptance and peace (Losing Animal crossing would suck but its a no brainer lol😂)

Holla at me if you me, PM or Discord, Ill always have your back, and Ima keep reading and staying up on whats going on here. Much love

i have to confess something

this is really embarrassing but you, my fans, need to know the truth.

i thought I was done reading both quotes in full

but as I was writing my response

i realized that i had them mixed up halfway through

so i'll need to start over again

i'm really sorry

but please smash that like button to get me across this finish line once again

[Don Rumata]

They should've released Cyberpunk a month earlier with a few more bugs, so it could've won the Keighley GotY.

Imagine all the people resetti would have needed to cancel for attending the Dorito pope's cringe show

edit: On the other hand, that extends the drama for another year, if their forum can survive it

losing 100% to lou2 this year, or have a good chance next year with a more polished goty edition?

[Yulwei]

Again, since I'm not trangender myself, I suppose it's not my place to worry on their behalf and have these concerns if they don't and are willing to give it a try.

 

Talking down to transgenders. You hate to see it. Plus the review threads were locked within 30 minutes. They really want on-call Mods they can flash the signal to for bans?

Wait what?

In the first line of this screed(the only thing I read) they say:
"Indeed. Like, our lives fucking depend on smelling out this bullshit. Because unfortunately, there are people out there who want us dead or otherwise want to make us miserable, so we have to quickly learn to how to sniff out those kind of people, before they can tell their nonsense."

 

Troll letting the mask slip.

  @ that shit completely slipping by ree. what the fuck

[benjipwns]

lol

These basement-dwelling bigots with their account suicides

The best part is that despite running to another forum (a dead and completely irrelevant forum) with their tail between their legs, you know that they either already have another account here or will try to make one.

It is legitimately one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen.

[joeboy101]

The best possible response to posts like those is ignoring them entirely.

Wait a minute, I thought ignoring posts is what got us into this position in the first place?

 

[benjipwns]

It must suck knowing that whatever you posted got removed almost instantly before anyone could see it. I’m sure you wanted a grand account suicide that would have been quoted over and over, but you wasted it. All of us just see a basic ass mod edit. You couldn’t even get red text lmao. What a fucking failure.

next time try harder.

you just quoted it dummy

[ShutUp]

ZeoVGM is always the one furiously defending Disney when someone says bad things about them.

Makes you wonder if it's a Disney PR account 

[ShutUp]

People committing account suicides, leading to less clicks and allies and they consider it a good thing 

Keep it up and Daddy Cerium could actually make an appearance

[benjipwns]

User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying Seriousness of Racist Joke

This whole affair has been bitterSwede. Cubanning the movie seems a little harsh, but I imagine their hands are Thai'd. Honestly, I Mexican't believe anyone would seriously think that pun was funny. I guess this is what happens when you Russian to production without double-checking the script. Anyone could have told them that joke Israeli offensive. Anderson is Finnish'd in Hollywood.

we have fun though

[Uncle]

lol

These basement-dwelling bigots with their account suicides

The best part is that despite running to another forum (a dead and completely irrelevant forum) with their tail between their legs, you know that they either already have another account here or will try to make one.

It is legitimately one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen.

yeah this is a goof but it also speaks to their mindset

who the fuck makes all their decisions on the basis of "being relevant?"

some people are in discords with like 10 total members that no one else knows about and they have a grande olde time just bullshitting all day

do what you want, play the video games you want, life is short

[Snoopycat_]

Meanwhile Bob Dylan sells his back catalogue for a cool 300 mil. How does Ree respond?

He's pushing 80. I'm hoping his family didn't force him to do this.
 

Imagine being Bob Dylan and selling your life's work of music to a corporation. 80 years old or not, family or not, sound of mind or not. WOW.
 

Should be free and public domain. But for some reason we grant these people and their down lottery kids near perpetually monopolies.
 

That’s a lot of money, but I don’t know man, I’ve always valued the ownership aspect of music.?
 

This doesn't feel very Bob Dylan.

Especially at 79 I would think you don't need 300 million in the bank anymore.

And if he would use it good cause he should pass the rights down to an organization or so.
 

agree that the right move by a guy with dylan's values and who held his songs rights for so long would be to give these to public domain, and I don't think anyone in his family were struggling and needed 300 million, but I guess everyone needs to get the bag
 

Imagine the hypocrisy of your music and your brand revealing itself, all tangled up in business deals!

Inevitably, it doesn't. I just find it interesting that a guy like him ends up this way. Sure, he has the right to change his stance or do what he pleases with his work but to me, this action negates much of what he stood for as a musician.
 

[benjipwns]

We need a place to talk about the transphobia. Alot of other spaces aren't being that space for us, and we need spaces that can call this shit out. For such a mediocre game (judging from reviews), it's getting insane hype and engagement not for the actual content, but because it's a big game, everyone feels like they NEED to play the "biggest game of the decade". It doesn't matter what the actual game is, companies just want you to think you're missing out on the biggest AAA game yet, and to vehemently defend it against "the haters". The hype machine will run you over if they think treating you like shit will make them more money and boost their reputation. CDPR knows exactly how their treatment and fetishization of minorities is made for the right-wing edgelords who think minorities are subhuman, and only care about us when we're fetishized and will use every excuse in the book to keep us beneath them. This shit has to stop, and has to be shown it's not fucking acceptable.

I think we need discussion, but only if people engage with the problematic parts, it shouldn't exist if that can't happen. If that means no traditional OT, or a heavily modified OT, then so be it. I'm not sure what the right call here is, but it should not be welcome to people who want to ignore the problems we have with this game and the company, and how nearly the entire industry is just letting it fucking happen. And I think a normal OT would still be inviting bad faith posters if there's zero bar to entry, and if it's not IMMEDIATELY clear that this OT is NOT like the others.

There are so many other spaces that are gonna focus on the game alone. If you have a problem with this site only allowing Cyberpunk discussion if it's about the transphobia and other problematic content, then leave. Or if you want this place to be a place to talk about everything, then listen to us right now. We ALSO want a place where we can just talk about everything, without the bad faith of people ignoring everything because they don't care. That's what we're working towards in the long run, a site where we can talk about specs, reviews, gameplay and bugs, AND the problematic issues EQUALLY, side-by-side. Instead, we get a billion hype threads, trumpers trying to burn us down for not letting them ignore us and treat us like trash, and threads on problematic issues getting buried because no one cares about them.

For an analogy: You can't ignore the fires in a few houses in your neighborhood while saying "but what about my house, what will I get out of it if I help" whenever we ask for help. You get a safe neighborhood where the people setting fires to our houses are driven out. Your house matters too, ours just matters more RIGHT NOW.

An overall ban would stifle any discussion of the transphobia, and we've already seen people educated here that weren't following along, or don't understand trans people that much but are willing to listen when we tell them how their words and actions hurt us, and promise to do better. People who want discussion of the game alone will find it no matter where they go. We don't have that luxury when it comes to transphobia and minority issues. Banning discussion will leave us with fewer places when we already barely have any (this is likely the most progressive, semi-popular forum board for quite a bunch of people. It definitely is for me), while others who don't care about the transphobia have tons and tons of sites they can visit, losing one among hundreds or thousands is nothing.

I think of the tweet story, about the bartender who kicks out nazis even when they're being nice, because they'll bring their nazi friends and drive everyone else out, and now you have a bar full of nazis and no easy way to get them out, and you've lost everyone's trust that you'll be able to keep the nazis out. They're an infestation.

Banning discussion will benefit people that want to ignore or contribute to transphobia more than it will benefit us. They'll just go find another place anyways that accepts them. Trans people don't have that luxury, there will be no conversation and fewer people will know about the transphobic issues. And I'm cautiously optimistic in thinking we haven't been completely overrun yet. We just need to be on the same page of what we're trying to accomplish, and how we do it.

[benjipwns]

Firefighters, EMT's and Pigs are all cut from the same cloth and enjoy reveling in the systems of white supremacy that nurture their fragility.

LOL, one negative article about FDNY and then the narrative changes to all firefighters are pieces of shit? Glad I already know not to take most of the stuff in EtcetEra seriously.

The fuck outta here with downplaying and ignoring the systemic bigotry rife in fire departments and racist biases prevalent amongst EMTs.

Ya'll privileged sheltered asses showing. Educate yourselves instead of feigning outrage when you don't have time to pretend with your performative bullshit.

Privileged. Lol. I’m an EMT and have been at 4 different stations. Fuck off.

How about you don't fucking tell people that bigotry isn't a problem in your profession when numerous studies have documented that it is. Your privilege doesn't grant you that right, sorry.
The fact that you're so fragile and defensive is revealing.

Stop with the anecdotal crap and actually try debunking the studies. Oh, right... you can't.

we hate EMTs now too