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It's about as sincere as Trump holding a pride flag upside down. I can see them giggling that it will surely stop people from calling them transphobic by adding a token character so token you can play a Pacman game with it.
Lol this truly says everything about CDPR's stance on trans rights. Slap a sticker on a car, pat yourselves on the back, and call it a day
Yeah this feels about as weak as those corporate logos during pride month. The sentiment would be nice, but after everything else feels like a hollow gesture. "Wow thanks"
I'll take a trans flag anywhere but have to kind of laugh at the end result just being one that's slapped onto a vehicle in a couple of spots. As mentioned above it has the sincerity of Trump holding the pride flag up when you consider the context that effort sits within and what the general takeaway from people completing the main game has been.
Whether one likes him or not, it's undeniable that EviLore EviLore 's heart is in it for the community and not to make a quick buck. He turned down 10 million Bison Bucks and told The Man fuck you right to his face, metaphorically speaking. That first guiding principle speaks volumes in terms of informing the subsequent actions of building a free and open forum that is dedicated to vidya games.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-ot-welcome-to-night-city-read-the-op-before-you-post.340270/page-7#post-53450317Quote from: cabelhigh, post: 53450317, member: 30298Seriously, this OT needs to be renamed to "Trans Rights Matter. WARNING: This game might kill you"Like wtf
Seriously, this OT needs to be renamed to "Trans Rights Matter. WARNING: This game might kill you"Like wtf
Blood on CDPR's hands
Request:unused accounts given a certain age limit enter a dormant status on the site and require reactivation. Accounts deleted if they are in junior phase. Does this sound like a good idea? Say 1-3 year dormant period.
They’re also racists Nintex.
Found more Cyberpunk talk not being moderated in the Giant Bomb thread. Also this TL;DR recap:Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/giant-bomb-ot-24-i-hear-you-talking-shit-about-me.288830/post-53441014dude, whole situation is grimDiscord. That's where people started posting the bulk of his MAGA tweets, and BC, in the thread, defended himself immediately. Everyone who believed in him took about 5 minutes to go from disbelief to anger, and in that same time frame he went from saying "I'm not a Trumper" to ""I'm off to the other site, where they will accept who I truly am and not bully me."It was ... intense.I remember when JK Rowling dropped the mask, one of the big lessons was "hey, those of you who continuously gave her the benefit of the doubt: just listen to us next time, okay? please?"this is a situation where a massive, massive piece of shit, someone who was literally handcrafting advertisements for a transphobic company on the daily, someone who HAD BEEN BANNED FOR BIGOTRY, somehow managed to make nice with the mods to the extent that they continued to take his side even as trans people screamed to the heavens that he was hurting them(and, to be clear, "take his side" in this case means PROTECTING HIS RIGHT TO MAKE A FUCKING OT FOR A TRANSPHOBIC GAME, not even just refusing to ban him, and running interference on his behalf to such a degree that Black Chamber himself would've blushed at the bizarre boot licking)to make matters worse, this is in stark contrast to the frustration and defensiveness that have defined how the mods have approached actually valuable members of the communityseriously, maybe it shouldn't be considering the history of this place, but it's genuinely shocking to me how this all unfoldedI so love that this is the narrative of what happened, that it was a deliberate long con purely to hurt TransEra aided and abetted by the mods who knew better
dude, whole situation is grimDiscord. That's where people started posting the bulk of his MAGA tweets, and BC, in the thread, defended himself immediately. Everyone who believed in him took about 5 minutes to go from disbelief to anger, and in that same time frame he went from saying "I'm not a Trumper" to ""I'm off to the other site, where they will accept who I truly am and not bully me."It was ... intense.I remember when JK Rowling dropped the mask, one of the big lessons was "hey, those of you who continuously gave her the benefit of the doubt: just listen to us next time, okay? please?"this is a situation where a massive, massive piece of shit, someone who was literally handcrafting advertisements for a transphobic company on the daily, someone who HAD BEEN BANNED FOR BIGOTRY, somehow managed to make nice with the mods to the extent that they continued to take his side even as trans people screamed to the heavens that he was hurting them(and, to be clear, "take his side" in this case means PROTECTING HIS RIGHT TO MAKE A FUCKING OT FOR A TRANSPHOBIC GAME, not even just refusing to ban him, and running interference on his behalf to such a degree that Black Chamber himself would've blushed at the bizarre boot licking)to make matters worse, this is in stark contrast to the frustration and defensiveness that have defined how the mods have approached actually valuable members of the communityseriously, maybe it shouldn't be considering the history of this place, but it's genuinely shocking to me how this all unfolded
Quote from: Kyuuji, https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-ot-welcome-to-night-city-read-the-op-before-you-post.340270/post-53449051Completely unsurprising that the early impressions we're seeing validate the concern that there's no grounding or justification for the repeat transphobia, and fetishization, of trans people in the game, and from CDPR up until release.Used as a promo tool to help shift sales outside of the game. Used as set dressing to add to a vapid and juvenile world with little to say inside the game.Not only a massive waste of potential considering the setting and the reach, but actively harmful toward trans people as another piece of transphobic media that will be put into the minds of millions. As the pre-release Polygon article mentioned, it's hard not to think of what the potential was were CDPR not concerned with appealing to some of the worst parts of the gaming community.
Completely unsurprising that the early impressions we're seeing validate the concern that there's no grounding or justification for the repeat transphobia, and fetishization, of trans people in the game, and from CDPR up until release.Used as a promo tool to help shift sales outside of the game. Used as set dressing to add to a vapid and juvenile world with little to say inside the game.Not only a massive waste of potential considering the setting and the reach, but actively harmful toward trans people as another piece of transphobic media that will be put into the minds of millions. As the pre-release Polygon article mentioned, it's hard not to think of what the potential was were CDPR not concerned with appealing to some of the worst parts of the gaming community.
Ehh cant one of yall just post there and say thats not what happened at all? Or are we just gonna laugh at them that they opted to choose this as the backstory to what happened. If I had an account there I would collect posts and show them that this isnt at all what happened.
This thread is so sad lol. It’s like, omg companies caring about their fans is so cringe, lol.When did nerds on the internet suddenly think they were the plastics from mean girls.Dare to dream that our corporate overlords can allow for cool things to exist.Y’all disgusting and with zero back bones. Life already crushed your souls and you think it’s cringe that others still have their souls intact.sad AF
With CDPR's intentional courting of the toxic gamer crowd, I wouldn't be surprised if they put this into the game intentionally to rack up more notoriety.
Quote from: MMaRsu on December 08, 2020, 03:09:34 AMEhh cant one of yall just post there and say thats not what happened at all? Or are we just gonna laugh at them that they opted to choose this as the backstory to what happened. If I had an account there I would collect posts and show them that this isnt at all what happened.
Yeah why shove their face in the truth right? Better to let them all believe its actually what happened..I dont get you fucking guys at all
Do not dismiss or handwave concerns of transphobia or announce that they don’t bother you.If you respond to a member's concerns by telling them how much you love the game, you will be banned.Avoid sweeping generalizations about people who enjoy the game.Do not engage in personal attacks on other members, directly or indirectly.Do not litigate the existence of this thread; you may be subject to a threadban.This is not a spoiler free thread. Mark your spoilers.Read this Cyberpunk 2077 Epileptic Public Service Announcement. Be careful with what images and videos you post for the safety of your fellow members. If we have to remove something, you will take a thread ban at minimum.Attempting to find a loophole in these guidelines to violate their spirit will still get you banned.
The reviews are certainly mixed, as much as i want to play it now, i think i'll wait until more of the bugs are ironed out. For those getting it for launch, hope you have a good time.
It’s definitely mixed if you read reviews and not just a number, espescially the reviews from many reputable outlets who have stopped giving numbered scores.
Cause the critical reviews are largely from sites that have moved away from scored reviews.
I would say mixed in a sense that it was probably the most hyped game of all time and everyone expected it to walk into the hall of fame of all time great 96-97 metacritic titles like this:
This game calls itself Cyberpunk, and y'all can't bother to tell me how it engages with the themes of the genre as a work by itself, let alone in the incredibly relevant context of the developer's and community's behavior?
It's super depressing to me that there aren't more reviews like Polygon's, specifically in terms of approach. This game calls itself Cyberpunk, and y'all can't bother to tell me how it engages with the themes of the genre as a work by itself, let alone in the incredibly relevant context of the developer's and community's behavior?
Hey everyone, so I’m the only one who was somewhat involved in the making of the original OT, before events happened these past couple of days, who is not banned (and as you can imagine I’d like to remain not banned on here too). I just wanted to start by saying that I personally think the staff these past couple of days have been great and I’m grateful we’ve even got an OT and that Cyberpunk can be discussed in any form on Era right now. I personally thought that deepFlaw ’s thread yesterday was great to highlight reviews which call out CDPR transphobic views and highlight what transphobic things they saw while playing the game for review. Also a big shoutout to Kyuuji for all her hard work on compiling many of these issues into a thread on Era.A tiny bit of background of how I got involved in the original OT before those involved were banned... 2 months or so ago I was approached to design and animate a header for said OT. That was my only involvement and while I do want to share that animated header with you all that I made I’m going to do so without it distracting or pulling attention to it’s self too much... so here it is in ‘small form’ if you’d like to see it in its full glory please click on it.I was not involved in the original OT beyond this and had nothing to do with any other decisions made but I do want to say that I really appreciate the clear and informative approach about the transphobic issues that Android Sophia has put forward in this OT and I hope it sheds light on those who have ignored them in previous Cyberpunk threads.I’d also like to say that when I work on OTs of my own again in the future, that if I claim a game which has any sort of issues included from in the game or from the developers, I would happily give that OT claim to someone from the community who could better tackle those issues than me and if they would like, I would just remain on as a designer while they can write and post the thread. Also in light of all the recent events on Era, the transphobic actions and inclusions by CDPR and the issues we see with transphobia on a larger global scale I have chosen to donate £50 to Mermaids in the UK and €50 to Trans-Fuzja Foundation in Poland to help support those charities with the hope that we make huge strides with trans rights. I urge anyone else reading this to do the same too... however much you can give would go along way to any of the charities outlined in the OT.I often feel lucky that I work at a company with an amazing diversity and inclusion program, I get to work with talented people from all sorts of different backgrounds, this bleeds into Era often too because I love this site and the people on it and I don’t want to see any group attacked or feel marginalised by game developers or other members of this site.Thanks again to everyone who put this OT together and remember... have fun playing games everyone
have fun playing games everyone
Didn't staff explicitly say it was going to be text only?Yep, they did. Found it.
We're temporarily locking both threads pertaining to Cyberpunk as things are getting out of hand and generating an enormous number of reports that need to be processed.As for the state of any Cyberpunk OTs, I will be taking over the responsibilities and will create a text-only thread in consultation with trans individuals.
I'll take a trans flag anywhere but have to kind of laugh at the end result just being one that's slapped onto a vehicle in a couple of spots. As mentioned above it comes across as having the sincerity of Trump holding the pride flag up when you consider the context that effort sits within and what the general takeaway from people completing the main game has been.
I couldn't find the statement before, but now I see that it even says "text-only thread" and not even "text-only post". So not only was the limitation of text only thrown out, it was broken by the staff in the second post of the thread.
It feels so insincere with them saying it'll be text only, and going "Alright, the message about thread rules, that's text only...Then 2nd post, bam, lets get those images in for the marketing team of CDPR.
What a friendly OTQuoteDo not dismiss or handwave concerns of transphobia or announce that they don’t bother you.If you respond to a member's concerns by telling them how much you love the game, you will be banned.Avoid sweeping generalizations about people who enjoy the game.Do not engage in personal attacks on other members, directly or indirectly.Do not litigate the existence of this thread; you may be subject to a threadban.This is not a spoiler free thread. Mark your spoilers.Read this Cyberpunk 2077 Epileptic Public Service Announcement. Be careful with what images and videos you post for the safety of your fellow members. If we have to remove something, you will take a thread ban at minimum.Attempting to find a loophole in these guidelines to violate their spirit will still get you banned.VIOLATE THEIR SPIRIT
Quote from: Palette SwapI don’t know how to say this nicely, because I understand you’ve put time and effort into it and this is gonna sound dismissive, but I don’t know that voicing your support in the same post that includes your animated hyper banner is a great idea.No, I actually totally understand your point and agree with you. I've edited my post in the OT and removed the embedded image directly and replaced it just with a link to it if people want to see it. I don't want to distract or detract from the rest of my message or the rest of the thread in general. I wanted to share my work (which I hope is understandable?) but I don't want that to sour my support in anyway either.
I don’t know how to say this nicely, because I understand you’ve put time and effort into it and this is gonna sound dismissive, but I don’t know that voicing your support in the same post that includes your animated hyper banner is a great idea.
Yeah I suppose thats true but that shit is scary tbh. Are they really this fucking dense/distinguished mentally-challenged/brainwashed??
I have to say I'm quite disappointed in the Cyberpunk OT. To me it just reads as a continuation of the entire hype marketing campaign that the banned user was running. I would have preferred the approach with the review thread, which explicitly frames all discussion of the game relative to its central problems. But honestly I'm upset that not even what I felt was a reasonable agreement, to make a "text only OT", was kept. In the end, it turns out to be a sticky post that all who already decided they are ok with ignoring transphobia can scroll past until the see the marketing banners and resume business as normal.In the "review" thread yesterday people who were saying that they just wished there could be normal discussion about the game and issues like bugs, etc. and people could keep their "opinions" to themselves were banned for "dismissing concerns about transphobia", so why is their wish being granted? I don't understand the contradiction in forum policy where on one hand it is being signaled that such people aren't wanted (or at least, people who visibly embody this attitude) but then this very attitude is enabled and embodied in forum practice the next day.Edit: Also, I want to point out that the title does not in any way address the issues or make a statement in support of the trans community ("READ THE OP BEFORE YOU POST") but does pick up the official marketing discourse of the gamer hype cycle. To me that shows where the priorities of this website lie in the end. Others can easily scroll past and resume business as normal in a fully functional OT, but I'm reminded every time I visit the front page that even after a week of apologies and promises of change trans rights are thrown out the window in favour of catering to a deeply toxic billion dollar corp and its fans.
Quote from: Clockwork5 on December 07, 2020, 11:46:32 PMhttps://www.resetera.com/threads/game-informer-cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa.340393/Woopsie! Really though, this is the kind of awareness that SHOULD be raised.QuoteAbsolutely sickening by the devs to put this in the game intentionally.QuoteQuoteHow did no one pick this up in development?I'll give you three guesses but I bet you'll only need one.QuoteFuck CDPR.Quote from: Banshee mcspookNot only is the game transphobic it wants to kill you too
https://www.resetera.com/threads/game-informer-cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa.340393/Woopsie! Really though, this is the kind of awareness that SHOULD be raised.
Absolutely sickening by the devs to put this in the game intentionally.
QuoteHow did no one pick this up in development?I'll give you three guesses but I bet you'll only need one.
How did no one pick this up in development?
Fuck CDPR.
Not only is the game transphobic it wants to kill you too
What the hell is wrong with CDPR?Who's the publisher and why are they not setting standards and ensuring they're being followed? Too much shit slipping through the cracks.
QuoteWhat the hell is wrong with CDPR?Who's the publisher and why are they not setting standards and ensuring they're being followed? Too much shit slipping through the cracks.https://www.resetera.com/threads/game-informer-cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa.340393/page-7#post-53461171Who is the publisher? Oh honey you so stupid.
Quote from: Ghoul on December 07, 2020, 07:40:15 PMThey’re also racists Nintex. Once again, maybe dont call everyone who posts on GAF a racist when its a good mix of normal posters, left leaning posters, and right wing nuts posters. Gaf is no different from Resetera, except that you can actually voice your opinion on shit and not get banned.
Quote from: Ghoul on December 08, 2020, 07:54:27 AMQuoteWhat the hell is wrong with CDPR?Who's the publisher and why are they not setting standards and ensuring they're being followed? Too much shit slipping through the cracks.https://www.resetera.com/threads/game-informer-cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa.340393/page-7#post-53461171Who is the publisher? Oh honey you so stupid. who is the manager so I can complain??
i hate to bring stuff from the old site here, but this is worth highlighting. i heard that the previous OT creator had been welcomed with open arms at the old place, so i made the mistake of looking at that forum. and I happened to spot a familiar face who has suddenly become a very active member of that community!this guy has made the gaming equivalent of stormfront (gaf) his new stomping ground. he is not your friend or your ally. he's dogpiling journos on twitter and feeding the transphobic hate swarm over on the old site. why is this chud still welcome here?(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
:/OT looks business as usual.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-104#post-53464327Quote from: tulpa, post: 53464327, member: 19850i hate to bring stuff from the old site here, but this is worth highlighting. i heard that the previous OT creator had been welcomed with open arms at the old place, so i made the mistake of looking at that forum. and I happened to spot a familiar face who has suddenly become a very active member of that community!this guy has made the gaming equivalent of stormfront (gaf) his new stomping ground. he is not your friend or your ally. he's dogpiling journos on twitter and feeding the transphobic hate swarm over on the old site. why is this chud still welcome here?(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Oh I expected more somehow, it seems to be noone important
Quote from: benjipwns on December 07, 2020, 10:20:46 PMFound more Cyberpunk talk not being moderated in the Giant Bomb thread. Also this TL;DR recap:Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/giant-bomb-ot-24-i-hear-you-talking-shit-about-me.288830/post-53441014dude, whole situation is grimDiscord. That's where people started posting the bulk of his MAGA tweets, and BC, in the thread, defended himself immediately. Everyone who believed in him took about 5 minutes to go from disbelief to anger, and in that same time frame he went from saying "I'm not a Trumper" to ""I'm off to the other site, where they will accept who I truly am and not bully me."It was ... intense.I remember when JK Rowling dropped the mask, one of the big lessons was "hey, those of you who continuously gave her the benefit of the doubt: just listen to us next time, okay? please?"this is a situation where a massive, massive piece of shit, someone who was literally handcrafting advertisements for a transphobic company on the daily, someone who HAD BEEN BANNED FOR BIGOTRY, somehow managed to make nice with the mods to the extent that they continued to take his side even as trans people screamed to the heavens that he was hurting them(and, to be clear, "take his side" in this case means PROTECTING HIS RIGHT TO MAKE A FUCKING OT FOR A TRANSPHOBIC GAME, not even just refusing to ban him, and running interference on his behalf to such a degree that Black Chamber himself would've blushed at the bizarre boot licking)to make matters worse, this is in stark contrast to the frustration and defensiveness that have defined how the mods have approached actually valuable members of the communityseriously, maybe it shouldn't be considering the history of this place, but it's genuinely shocking to me how this all unfoldedI so love that this is the narrative of what happened, that it was a deliberate long con purely to hurt TransEra aided and abetted by the mods who knew betterEhh cant one of yall just post there and say thats not what happened at all? Or are we just gonna laugh at them that they opted to choose this as the backstory to what happened. If I had an account there I would collect posts and show them that this isnt at all what happened.
Absolutely sickening by the animators to put this in intentionally.
QuoteHow did no one pick this up in production?I'll give you three guesses but I bet you'll only need one.
How did no one pick this up in production?
Fuck Nintendo.
Not only does the anime endorse cruelty to animals it wants to kill you too
Quote from: ShutUp on December 08, 2020, 12:20:01 AMDo they actually think CDPR invented epileptic triggers now too? Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/game-informer-cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa.340393/post-53446627My biggest 'fuck CDPR' of the day.Seriously - if you're reading this CDPR - fuck you. This is ableist, childish, and incredibly dangerous. You clearly have a flagrant disregard for the wellbeing of so many in the world who are not as privileged as you. Stop attacking the marginalised.
Do they actually think CDPR invented epileptic triggers now too?
My biggest 'fuck CDPR' of the day.Seriously - if you're reading this CDPR - fuck you. This is ableist, childish, and incredibly dangerous. You clearly have a flagrant disregard for the wellbeing of so many in the world who are not as privileged as you. Stop attacking the marginalised.
Quote from: https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-53462971:/OT looks business as usual.I don't know what they want anymore.
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They fucking banned him!(Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: Hermit on December 08, 2020, 09:29:07 AMThey fucking banned him!(Image removed from quote.)For?
I believe people are starting to lose the concept of what "acting" meanshttps://www.resetera.com/threads/ms-marvel-casting-controversy.340348/
