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« Reply #240 on: March 12, 2020, 04:11:29 PM »
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« Reply #241 on: March 12, 2020, 04:35:20 PM »
WSB told me to buy puts on Live Nation, which I did

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« Reply #242 on: March 12, 2020, 04:35:48 PM »
My headcanon is that james is actually a highly successful stocks broker and is just messing with us.

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« Reply #243 on: March 12, 2020, 04:41:41 PM »
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« Reply #244 on: March 12, 2020, 04:43:34 PM »
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« Reply #245 on: March 12, 2020, 04:44:49 PM »
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« Reply #246 on: March 12, 2020, 04:45:34 PM »
Did I ever mention how james is my close and personal friend?  :-*

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« Reply #247 on: March 12, 2020, 05:09:10 PM »
awww yeah :pimp
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« Reply #249 on: March 12, 2020, 06:00:31 PM »
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« Reply #250 on: March 12, 2020, 06:02:25 PM »
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« Reply #251 on: March 12, 2020, 06:05:07 PM »
nintex keeps winning  :patel

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« Reply #252 on: March 12, 2020, 07:02:52 PM »
If 5 people pm me 100 each, i can give Nintex 500.

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #253 on: March 13, 2020, 09:26:59 AM »
Stonks go down stonks go up. Not looking again until Tuesday
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« Reply #254 on: March 13, 2020, 02:34:14 PM »
Just do it blind and drunk  :birb
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« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2020, 04:01:41 PM »
Fuck i tried to buy some NCL puts at 3:59pm to take advantage of the pump and the fucking website froze on me

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« Reply #256 on: March 13, 2020, 04:02:18 PM »
Get some of these corona test companies that are giving up parking lot.
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« Reply #257 on: March 13, 2020, 04:04:52 PM »
DOW went up almost 1,000 points during that idiotic press conference

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The market is full of imbeciles

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« Reply #258 on: March 13, 2020, 04:05:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1238556513708453889

BOOM, back in business bois  8)

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« Reply #259 on: March 13, 2020, 04:08:04 PM »
It was the biggest sale on puts in a generation and the fucking website didnt let me submit the order
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #261 on: March 13, 2020, 04:26:48 PM »
If you cared about ethics you wouldn’t have gotten into options trading in the first place :trumps

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« Reply #262 on: March 13, 2020, 04:29:52 PM »
Is this considered insider trading?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fi4boa/nlch_about_to_annouce_cancellation_of_cruises/

I mean it's an internet post, but the way it's worded: Highly likely, but highly unlikely to prove.

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« Reply #263 on: March 13, 2020, 04:34:21 PM »
Is this considered insider trading?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fi4boa/nlch_about_to_annouce_cancellation_of_cruises/

No, because he didn't have any inside information. He just deduced what was about to happen using information that was available to everyone.

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #264 on: March 13, 2020, 04:50:35 PM »
If you cared about ethics you wouldn’t have gotten into options trading in the first place :trumps

I care about tendies

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« Reply #265 on: March 13, 2020, 05:22:19 PM »
Is this considered insider trading?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fi4boa/nlch_about_to_annouce_cancellation_of_cruises/

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ALL CRUISES ARE SOLD OUT, = THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE..LITERALLY JUST AN HOUR AGO EVERY ROOM CLASS WAS AVAILABLE, JUST TRIED TO BOOK ONM WEBSITE, ANNOUNCEMENT GOING TO HAPPEN SOON. MEANING THEY ARE CANCELING NCL CRUISES GOOOOOO.. . IVE BEEN TRYING TO BOOK A CRUISE LIKE AN AUTIST ALL DAY WAITING FOR A DISCOUNT, JUST NOW THEY MADE IT UNAVAILABLE TO BOOK ANYTHING.

You're taking investment advice from people gambling with their life.

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #266 on: March 14, 2020, 09:30:20 AM »
Both PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series Xbox X X are moved to the first half of 2021 and an announcement will follow within a month.

Time to bet against the vidya James  :mynicca
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #267 on: March 15, 2020, 05:23:57 PM »
Someone tell me if the feds fucked me
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #268 on: March 15, 2020, 05:28:01 PM »
stonks will go up because of a temporary boost in confidence so just hold on until businesses start posting more fat losses.

So selling my March 17 puts early and going all in on April was the right move?
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #269 on: March 15, 2020, 05:34:48 PM »
Yes, and I hope you did it on margin, too.

Im not a gambler dude. I just want safe gains.
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #271 on: March 15, 2020, 06:50:27 PM »
Hit the down limit

The feds have no power here
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #272 on: March 15, 2020, 06:52:38 PM »
lol dow futures hit limit down, stocks going up lol

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« Reply #273 on: March 15, 2020, 06:58:40 PM »
shosta, kindly :camby

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« Reply #274 on: March 15, 2020, 07:01:27 PM »
I'm so fucking ready for another week of quality WSB gain/loss porn  :lawd

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« Reply #276 on: March 15, 2020, 08:21:07 PM »
They should halt the market for 3 weeks so they can keep this 'ammo' for the recovery.

As james would put it, they just masturbated another 700 billion into a forest fire.
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« Reply #277 on: March 15, 2020, 08:35:04 PM »
They should halt the market for 3 weeks so they can keep this 'ammo' for the recovery.

As james would put it, they just masturbated another 700 billion into a forest fire.

That quote should be on a tshirt
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« Reply #278 on: March 16, 2020, 03:50:01 AM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fjb79b/thank_you_wsb_for_all_you_have_done_in_my_life/


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« Reply #279 on: March 16, 2020, 04:43:26 AM »
james, would you advise to go anywhere near energy stocks right now?

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #280 on: March 16, 2020, 09:37:06 AM »
james, would you advise to go anywhere near energy stocks right now?

Be like Bernie don't support that

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« Reply #281 on: March 16, 2020, 09:52:46 AM »
down 2700 pts

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #282 on: March 16, 2020, 09:58:39 AM »
Market is going to go below what it was when Trump took office

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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #283 on: March 16, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
Blue Apron stock up 70% today

Come on guys, this is the type of easy money we should have been on.

Their stock was under $3 yesterday, so a super easy entry point.

GET ON THE FUCKING BALL SHOSTA


Edit: holy shit their stock cost $140 at one point  :doge :doge :doge
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« Reply #284 on: March 16, 2020, 03:45:08 PM »
Dow down -2683

Im old enough to remember when -1000 was big and scary

Im looking at a $2,066.46 profit on my spy put  :doge
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« Reply #285 on: March 16, 2020, 06:12:09 PM »
Stock market :neogaf
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #287 on: March 17, 2020, 08:08:48 AM »
I don't understand this shit at all so help me understand the actual process going on here

everyone going nuts saying "buy puts buy puts" but that's just one action, what's the full trade taking place here

do they not even necessarily own stock in the thing, they're just buying a put so they can sell it later

or do they own stock and are buying puts against it so they can sell it at that price later and that's when they make bank

what is the initial setup and then the timetable of what they're doing, is it literally spend $1000 on puts and then a couple hours later sell the puts for $3000 or w/e
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« Reply #288 on: March 17, 2020, 08:41:31 AM »
what is the initial setup and then the timetable of what they're doing, is it literally spend $1000 on puts and then a couple hours later sell the puts for $3000 or w/e

Yes.

This is what we in the business call printing tendies
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Re: Serious stonks strategy talk
« Reply #289 on: March 17, 2020, 08:47:18 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first
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« Reply #290 on: March 17, 2020, 08:58:09 AM »
Sounds like one big scam to me.
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« Reply #291 on: March 17, 2020, 09:35:41 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first

Be like this guy who went from 800 to 120000

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fjtneo/18_yo_800_to_115000_in_2_months/

And no most of this doesn't involve buying or selling the stock. The trick is to do everything before the strike date. Then it's someone else's problem.

I don't know what happens on strike date and I don't care to ask.
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« Reply #292 on: March 17, 2020, 10:26:43 AM »
Boeing (BA) down 20% today alone

Theyve gone from $391 a year ago to $105 right now.

I didnt want to touch them because as a military contractor, I feel theyre first in line for any bailout.
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« Reply #293 on: March 17, 2020, 10:29:53 AM »
Caesars Entertainment Corporation (CZR) down 30% just today

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« Reply #294 on: March 17, 2020, 10:58:04 AM »
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« Reply #295 on: March 17, 2020, 11:31:17 AM »
but selling puts gives someone else the right to force you to buy at that price

it's not like you made your money and the transaction is done

or is the implication that things went your way and they would have to be stupid to make you buy


edit: wait you're not selling the put, you're exercising the option of the put you bought to force some other schmuck to buy at that price?  from you?  so you do have to own the stonk first

Ok not on mobile anymore so I can give a better reply.

Selling (writing) a put does force you to buy the stock at expiration if you are holding it. This is a good strategy if you actually want to buy the stock.

IE, if the stock costs $15 today, and you think its a good price, but feel it might go lower, you sell (write) a put for $12. Immediately, you collect cash money (the premium). If the stock doesnt go down to 12, thats it, you dont buy the stock and nothing else happens. If it DOES fall to 12 or below, you do buy the stock (so make sure you have the cash to do so).

The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing. You dont want the stock and youre betting the price will go down. If the stock keeps falling, you make money. If the stock goes up in price, you lose your bet.

The question right now is where the bottom is. When I started this thread, it was legit free money. There was no way to lose. As this drags on, we will eventually reach some kind of bottom. No one knows where that is though. So you can still make money buying puts, or you could be buying at the bottom and be fucked,
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« Reply #296 on: March 17, 2020, 11:44:15 AM »
I mean, it's essentially been free money for the past 10 years if you don't do day-to-day gambles and manage the odd poorly performing month.    :lol

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« Reply #297 on: March 17, 2020, 12:35:47 PM »
James, not to pry too much, but what was your principal and what's your net return right now? In dollar amounts.

I dont know how to generate those cool graphs people keep posting on WSB

My best ones are these, although its down from yesterday:

 $1,550.46  (554.65%)
 $1,548.46  (135.88%) 
 $1,279.46  (387.08%) 

My worst one is technically this one, which is the put I sold for CCL. Its not a real loss though because I wanted to buy the stock anyway, I just overpaid. Everyone loves cruising. I might buy more stock honestly, theyre at $12.93 which is an incredible deal. Ill wait another month though and maybe get in at $10. Same for Royal. Fuck Norwegian though, asshole CEO.

 -$948.56  (-587.56%) 


Had I been the proud owner of bigger balls, all my gains could have been 3x as much.

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« Reply #298 on: March 17, 2020, 12:47:04 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you



And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?
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« Reply #299 on: March 17, 2020, 12:59:46 PM »
The big money has been on the other side - buying puts that other people are writing

so what you're browsing a giant list of puts for sale and picking some

or are you just saying "I'll buy any puts for this price on this date" and the market is big enough that some mad lad out there is guaranteed to sell to you

Sort of. You pick a company you think will go down, you pick a future date and then you open whats called an option chain. It looks like this:



The right side is puts (left is calls)

So in this example, Facebook was currently at 111, and you think it will go down to 100, so you go to that row and see that it costs you 0.48 to buy those puts (x100, options are sold in 100s).

Further to the right you see the volume, which is how busy that specific transaction is. If theres no volume, its probably a really bad idea, or youre a genius for being first.

Now at this point, puts arent selling for cents...some puts are going for $10+ dollars (x100) because of the market volatility. So its harder to get in at low risk.

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And also there has to be a second step in there to actually make the money, yes you buy a put and the value of the put goes up, but how do you cash out without selling that put and therefore forcing yourself to buy those stocks?

or is the difference that you're not creating a new put to sell in this case, you're just passing it along to someone else?  that's sell to close as opposed to selling a put?

I am selling the puts I bought to other people. So im not creating new puts, I am just passing them along. Think of it like hot potato.

Something happens at expiration (strike date) and it seems complicated so I am selling before we get to that date so I dont have to worry about it. Potentially Im losing some profit but its not worth the hassle to figure it out honestly.

On the website, you get these options:

Puts:
Buy to open
Sell to close

This is where you buy existing puts and then when youre ready you hand them off to someone else.

Puts:
Sell to open
Buy to close

This is when you create a new put, which is giving you an obligation to buy stock at expiration. If you buy to close, you are passing the potato along.

Shosta, is this all correct?
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