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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #240 on: December 27, 2020, 09:06:07 AM »
The only good thing about Discovery is the Terran shit.

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« Reply #241 on: December 27, 2020, 09:17:56 AM »
"back off! back off!" and "fly her apart then!" are two of my favorite lines

"FLY HER APART THEN" Until that point I never thought I'd call Sulu badass but he shot past Sisko with that one line. :whew

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« Reply #242 on: December 27, 2020, 08:09:10 PM »
"back off! back off!" and "fly her apart then!" are two of my favorite lines

"FLY HER APART THEN" Until that point I never thought I'd call Sulu badass but he shot past Sisko with that one line. :whew

Reminds me of Captain Worf from First Contact:

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« Reply #243 on: December 27, 2020, 08:20:12 PM »


Aaaand now I'm watching Star Trek 6 again.

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« Reply #244 on: December 27, 2020, 08:34:49 PM »
"Don't believe them! Don't trust them!"

"They are dying."

"Let them die."

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« Reply #245 on: December 27, 2020, 08:56:15 PM »
Remember when Star Trek was good? Like really good?  :mjcry

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« Reply #246 on: December 27, 2020, 09:05:18 PM »

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« Reply #247 on: December 28, 2020, 07:48:48 AM »
Remember when Star Trek was good? Like really good?  :mjcry

the last thread got closed because people got mad that people were saying nu star trek is total shit and seemingly written by misanthropes who cannot comprehend the existence of human kindness or altruism, even as an aspirational target for humanity to reach

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« Reply #248 on: December 28, 2020, 08:26:00 AM »
I think it's better to reflect on what was good and why than denigrating and tearing down what's new. They could easily go hand in hand but I really feel like it's a huge disservice to Trek to just ignore what came before, and I'm at the point where I'm fine with nuTrek existing and people liking it.

I just still hold out hope that one day they'll crank down the action a little.

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« Reply #249 on: December 28, 2020, 08:46:56 AM »
Well Ive started another rewatch of DS9 and im friggin loving it. Its pretty damn good from the beginning tbh

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« Reply #250 on: December 28, 2020, 12:59:09 PM »
Remember when Star Trek was good? Like really good?  :mjcry

the last thread got closed because people got mad that people were saying nu star trek is total shit and seemingly written by misanthropes who cannot comprehend the existence of human kindness or altruism, even as an aspirational target for humanity to reach


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« Reply #251 on: December 29, 2020, 02:47:44 PM »
Miles O Brien or Julian Bashir?

Who is the better character

Id say Julian because he has a more interesting backstory, on the other hand he doesnt really develop all that much. But neither does O Brien

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« Reply #252 on: December 29, 2020, 04:38:18 PM »
Nah, its clearly O'Brien.
It's why they give him so many solo episodes.

Brashirs 'interesting' backstory was clearly because the character is dull AF and the writers were told to give him something interesting as a backstory, and even then it barely came up.

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« Reply #253 on: December 29, 2020, 06:33:52 PM »
Well, Miles is obviously more likeable that's for sure

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« Reply #254 on: December 29, 2020, 09:12:55 PM »
It also doesn't help that Bashir was a sex pest for a seemingly long time on the show, he would flip flop being confident and a neurotic mess in the first season and kind of annoying in a Wesley Crusher kinda way.

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« Reply #255 on: December 30, 2020, 04:01:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/LazyCon_Gaming/status/1338368770952339458

Ya heard it folks, pack it in, Quark is a racist jew now.

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« Reply #256 on: December 30, 2020, 10:20:31 PM »
But they did change it up. The Quark who Sisko scares into staying on the station never would have accepted his nephew in Starfleet, best friends with a hoo-man (and so many hoo-mans he himself befriends over seven years), his Moogi wearing clothes, or a fee-male in business, let alone his brother as the Nagus.

DS9 is a show about becoming more accepting, the other Treks (sans Enterprise) start with that as their premise because Goddenberry said so.

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« Reply #257 on: December 30, 2020, 10:38:31 PM »
That fucker liked root beer in the end.  I know it.  Personal canon.  Some days I dream about sharing a cold glass of A&W with him. 
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« Reply #258 on: January 01, 2021, 08:42:37 PM »
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« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2021, 03:58:09 AM »
when you look at a picture of star trek spaceships, you can see what a boring ass design they have, but wtf is even going on there?
They look like 3D printed bathroom accessories

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« Reply #262 on: January 06, 2021, 05:41:52 AM »
They look like fancy bottle openers you might find at Target

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« Reply #263 on: January 06, 2021, 07:14:38 AM »
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

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« Reply #264 on: January 06, 2021, 07:33:10 AM »
My favorite design is the one that will Q-snap away all of Discovery.

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« Reply #265 on: January 07, 2021, 02:39:33 PM »
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« Reply #266 on: January 07, 2021, 04:54:14 PM »
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« Reply #267 on: January 07, 2021, 04:55:29 PM »
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Re: Star Trek Thread part 2: The Kurtzman Strikes Back
« Reply #269 on: January 18, 2021, 02:55:50 PM »
https://intl.startrek.com/news/the-science-behind-discoverys-burn

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Fucking turn in your PHDs you fucking hacks

if you didn't watch STD S3 - and I don't fucking blame you - all the warp drives in the galaxy exploded ??? because a baby mutated while being born to be part dilithium ????????? and sent a resonance through subspace when he cried ??????????????????
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« Reply #270 on: January 22, 2021, 05:52:59 PM »
I'm about 2/3rds of the way through Discovery S3 and am thoroughly bored. I really don't care about "the burn" and this season has been a massive missed opportunity to just enjoy a little bit of a break from the dumb story arc and just do a season of planet of the week episodes.

For a show called Discovery, there is very little in the way of exploration and discovery.

At this point I'm watching it to humour my friend who is a massive Trekkie.
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« Reply #271 on: January 22, 2021, 06:22:37 PM »
the reveal of 'the burn' is the most stupid fucking :rage thing in a show that is entirely built on stupid fucking :rage moments, and fuck nu-trek, and every fucking writer on it who apparently think beverly crusher fucking a ghost is peak star trek

  • Fuck how literally every single episode there's a scene where you get the dramatic chords swelling and a crew member looks like they're about to cry over fucking nothing - you half expect them to do that stupid fucking waving their hands in front of their eyes thing women do too, to underline how fucking empty and unearned the 'emotional' beat is
  • Fuck how the turbolifts now are apparently the fucking tardis and zoom around in a space bigger than the fucking spaceship that contains them
  • Fuck having a whole episode set in a fucking VULCAN COURT OF LAW which has got to be the most 'facts don't care about feelings' space in the galaxy, and fuck how the 'truth' it is concerned about finding isn't the objective evidence based hypothesis it was literally called to examine, but is actually the 'truth' about how michael fucking burnham feels about going there
  • Fuck how they clearly know what a boring fucking character Michael Burnham is, so try and do a personality graft by making her have a 'year in hell' (bumming around with her new boyfriend) and have every character go "WOW YOU'RE SO DIFFERENT, YOU REALLY CHANGED" because she got a new haircut and thats literally fucking it in terms of development
  • Fuck enby wesley crusher who was blatantly cast so they could go "LOOK! ENBY!" becaue they do absolutely fuck all other than having a ghost boyfriend
  • Fuck doing the "I have a ghost boyfriend!" story AGAIN. JESUS. THIS IS THREE FUCKING SEASONS NOW YOU HAVE DONE 'I HAVE A GHOST BUT THEY'RE REAL' STORYLINE. STAR TREK ISN'T ABOUT GHOSTS, WTF?

:rage :rage :rage

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« Reply #272 on: January 22, 2021, 06:28:01 PM »
Yeah, gotta say the teen boyfriend/pronoun drama made for some seriously :era  moments.


Having read your spoilers on the source of the burn, I can't wait to roll my eyes when I get there. I will also be texting my friend to tell him Trekkies are fucking idiots.
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« Reply #273 on: January 22, 2021, 06:41:43 PM »
Star Drek  :neogaf

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« Reply #274 on: January 22, 2021, 07:21:00 PM »
Terran Tilly will haunt my dreams forevermore. She's fucking hideous enough as a ditzy fat girl, but add the emo makeup and and faux badgirl attitude and  :trigger .


Speaking of which, whoever decided that Tilly should be the new number one is a complete fucking moron. She's an incompetent, unconvincing comic relief character. Put her in a clown suit, not a position of authority.
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« Reply #275 on: January 23, 2021, 03:23:03 AM »
Pretty glad I stopped watching this turd after S1

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« Reply #276 on: January 23, 2021, 04:31:46 AM »
I'm about 2/3rds of the way through Discovery S3 and am thoroughly bored. I really don't care about "the burn" and this season has been a massive missed opportunity to just enjoy a little bit of a break from the dumb story arc and just do a season of planet of the week episodes.

For a show called Discovery, there is very little in the way of exploration and discovery.

At this point I'm watching it to humour my friend who is a massive Trekkie.

Gone through season 2 and it feels like a soap opera in space.

It's a pity because the production values are pretty high. Wasted.

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« Reply #277 on: January 23, 2021, 10:05:20 AM »
Gone through season 2 and it feels like a soap opera in space.

It's a pity because the production values are pretty high. Wasted.

And season 2 is probably its apex  :-\

I can't even call it a soap opera, because those usually rely on things like character motivations, and most of the crew don't even get a soap opera level of characterisation.
Fucking CW YA Genre Trash shows get more character work done.

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« Reply #278 on: January 30, 2021, 06:52:04 PM »
Up to episode 12 and this is getting so fucking bad.

Even my Trekkie mate agrees that it absolutely jumped the shark this season.
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« Reply #280 on: February 03, 2021, 10:13:06 PM »
:lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #281 on: February 04, 2021, 03:53:39 AM »
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« Reply #282 on: February 05, 2021, 12:42:48 PM »


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« Reply #284 on: February 05, 2021, 03:22:23 PM »
THR linked this:



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« Reply #286 on: February 07, 2021, 08:27:01 PM »


Looks like I need a Universal Translator.

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« Reply #287 on: February 07, 2021, 08:29:12 PM »
Turn on captions, dialogue is in English.
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« Reply #290 on: February 20, 2021, 05:54:10 AM »
Picard S2 has started filming 🤦🏼‍♂️

I wish theyd just cancel this trash they call trek

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« Reply #291 on: February 20, 2021, 07:52:26 AM »
In fairness, Lower Decks was okay (it finally got picked up for international streaming), but that admittedly might be just how lowered my expectations are right now.

I mean, its not good enough that I'd actively recommend it to anyone, but at least it didn't make me :rage :stahp

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« Reply #292 on: February 20, 2021, 10:26:05 AM »
Picard S2 has started filming 🤦🏼‍♂️

I wish theyd just cancel this trash they call trek

They also renewed STD for like two more seasons Paramount+ needs it's content apparently.

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« Reply #293 on: February 20, 2021, 10:44:47 AM »
Star Trek honestly at this point needs to collapse in on itself to the point no one attempts anything new for 4-5 years. Then we can get an entirely new creative team and executive apparatus involved to steward the franchise back to what it should be.

I'm officially one of the cliche grumpy Star Trek nerds, and I don't care. :trumps No problem voting with my eyeballs and skipping NewDrek until there's something worth my while.

The sad part to me is that old Trek, even when varying in quality, still paid attention to canon details like sets and race makeup, and corporate-oriented NewDrek doesn't give a shit and we'll never get that kind of consistency and reverence back now that it's lost. So that still irks me a little, too.

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« Reply #294 on: February 20, 2021, 10:53:47 AM »
Even as bad as Doctor Who's (apparently) gotten in recent seasons, they don't recast old Doctors and make new "better" versions of the old sets when touching on old canon. No, they use whatever they have and don't reinvent the wheel just because they had nothing to do with the "old era." NewDrek may as well just be an entirely different IP to be honest.

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« Reply #295 on: February 20, 2021, 11:07:13 AM »
Doctor Who does actually pretty regularly revamp the TARDIS control room with each new Doctor


(and has recast old Doctors as needed)
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« Reply #296 on: February 20, 2021, 11:13:24 AM »
Of course, and Star Trek is fine to make new ships. That's now what I was talking about.

Old Trek and new Doctor Who do stuff like this:







You won't see NewDrek do this, because they don't care. And also, they kinda can't anymore even if they wanted to. That sucks IMO.



"We were always at war with Eastasia."



"TOS era ships always looked this way."

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« Reply #297 on: February 20, 2021, 12:12:01 PM »
Oh, sure, if you want to use redesigns / recastings as indicators of just how little of a shit they clearly give for the source material they're supposedly building on, I'm with you - it's just in and of itself set dressing / costume / makeup is a bit of a nitpick. For example, Enterprise in many ways has better looking sets / costumes / makeup than TOS just as a result of IRL time passing and IRL improvements and expectations.

Like, Klingons now looking like shark people in and of itself isn't necessarily a red flag.
Klingons now being Space-ISIS, and having plans like full body surgical alteration and psychologically constructed artificial personalities in order to better infiltrate their enemies for a sneak attack is just fundamentally at odds with a proud warrior race with an honour based caste system, even though theres that one tribble episode where a klingon is in disguise.


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« Reply #299 on: February 25, 2021, 07:03:30 PM »
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