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[Boredfrom]

RE finally reaching the point of actually kind of liking state mandated censorship if it falls within their puritan mindset

I don’t have a strong opinion about this at the moment. I’ll need to think where I stand on this but many publishers clearly don’t give a fuck. They’re not trying to improve their female designs. In many instances, it has become even worse. If this is the only way to get some of them to care about other demographics, then it might be worth it.

Tee hee.

Some people really don't deserve their freedom, damn.

Yup like this guy…

I want to be allowed to see Jean and Mona’s ass.

Eh, why my dear?

You understand why people are bitching about  in that thread?

I don’t care about the thread at all I just think people lusting after cartoons are weird

 

That’s a weird line to draw when saying “you don’t deserve to be free”. Specially when the other user was saying in the terms of “supporting state mandated  censorship for petty and shallow reasons makes me think that some people dont deserve to be free”.

[Lonewulfeus]

RE finally reaching the point of actually kind of liking state mandated censorship if it falls within their puritan mindset

I don’t have a strong opinion about this at the moment. I’ll need to think where I stand on this but many publishers clearly don’t give a fuck. They’re not trying to improve their female designs. In many instances, it has become even worse. If this is the only way to get some of them to care about other demographics, then it might be worth it.

Tee hee.

Some people really don't deserve their freedom, damn.

Yup like this guy…

I want to be allowed to see Jean and Mona’s ass.

Eh, why my dear?

You understand why people are bitching about  in that thread?

I don’t care about the thread at all I just think people lusting after cartoons are weird

 

That’s a weird line to draw when saying “you don’t deserve to be free”. Specially when the other user was saying in the terms of “supporting state mandated  censorship for petty and shallow reasons makes me think that some people dont deserve to be free”.

It’s a joke in a shit thread you’re thinking way too much about this.

[Uncle]

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1478099962189598726

 

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/keanu-reeves-reportedly-donated-70-of-his-matrix-salary-to-cancer-research.535280/

Always like Keanu. A good spirit. Even ERA’s thread is completely positive about the gu-

If you get like 100 million and you give away 70 million, you still have 30 million left. Numbers pulled from my butt but the point is I wouldn't call anyone still getting millions as a hero.

And no I'm not saying he shouldn't keep those millions. Just that labeling a rich person giving off millions as heroic seems a bit much if you still have plenty left.

Role model sure though. More rich people need to understand they really don't need all their millions

would be better if he gave them 88%. 30% cut is just too high.

 

what is era doing anywhere NEAR the number 88 

[BIONIC]

https://twitter.com/bread_maker18/status/1478187726625148928

[Boredfrom]

There's been plenty of bad-faith actors for years, calling any sort of clothing cover-up, censorship. It's kind of muddied the waters for legit criticism of government censorship now that it's happening.

We saw it with Tokyo Mirage Sessions, we saw it with FF7R, and for Smash Bros.

It's a case of boy who cried wolf, now that something has happened with the actual CCP, since these arguments have been pervasive for so long in bad faith, a lot of side-eyeing is going to be had.

 

You fuckers always warned that “is not acceptable if is government mandated” but suddenly is everyone else fault that people drive post because “cry wolf” when is a “real issue”.

(Even when everyone else warned you that governments are going to use this waves of “progressivism” to mandate this stuff as excuse).

[marrec]

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1478099962189598726

 

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

got em

[Boredfrom]

   You want JP devs to learn from authoritarian governments?

It is what it is.

Too bad it took an authoritarian government to reign in BS fan service. SIE already started censoring some questionable content from Japan, so this is just another step further.

[Propagandhim]

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1478099962189598726

 

This is the equivalent of people posting "Trannysurprise" images on Neogaf and thinking it's the funniest thing ever, but now being woke af.

Also:  https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/865055182652100608


Is it too much to ask that we just accept that we've learned more about what people struggle with and fucking wipe the slate clean? 

[Raist]

Yikes

https://www.resetera.com/threads/steam-needs-a-way-to-keep-what-you%E2%80%99re-playing-private.535577/#post-79747334

[marrec]

There's been plenty of bad-faith actors for years, calling any sort of clothing cover-up, censorship. It's kind of muddied the waters for legit criticism of government censorship now that it's happening.

We saw it with Tokyo Mirage Sessions, we saw it with FF7R, and for Smash Bros.

It's a case of boy who cried wolf, now that something has happened with the actual CCP, since these arguments have been pervasive for so long in bad faith, a lot of side-eyeing is going to be had.

 

You fuckers always warned that “is not acceptable if is government mandated” but suddenly is everyone else fault that people drive post because “cry wolf” when is a “real issue”.

(Even when everyone else warned you that governments are going to use this waves of “progressivism” to mandate this stuff as excuse).

Who knew that some of these people didn't actually have any core values.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvels-spider-man-gameplay-video-has-over-74-million-views.535595/#post-79748759

The game itself is good but it aint that good.

It actually is!

ZeroVagine: Daddy Marvel is being attacked. Must defend 

[Averon]

The thing is they know they are on a slippery slope given that they are already worried that effeminate men and LGBT stuff could be next. But they clearly don't care since the censorship is to their liking right now. Then watch as these fuckers do a shameless and complete 180 when the inevitable news comes out that the CCP is censoring LGBT content and other stuff they like.

Any time ERA denies they are authoritarian prudes, send them link to that thread.

[marrec]

The thing is they know they are on a slippery slope given that they are already worried that effeminate men and LGBT stuff could be next. But they clearly don't care since the censorship is to their liking right now. Then watch as these fuckers do a shameless and complete 180 when the inevitable news comes out that the CCP is censoring LGBT content and other stuff they like.

Any time ERA denies they are authoritarian prudes, send them link to that thread.

cw: Horseshoe theory

They don't actually care about hypocrisy, just like the American GOP there isn't any more nuanced thought behind their stated values and goals other than "scoring social/political points".

[Averon]

If US/EU/JP devs start censoring queer content in their games to appease the CCP, then their values were never sincere or real to begin with.

With that said, I highly doubt any non-Chinese developer will be changing their approach to queer representation in the wake of CN devs reigning in fanservice.

The regime has been tightening the screws on all it's minorities in recent years, and nothing short of a government collapse will address this suppression.

So companies bending to the CCP's will on sexy costumes is fine and the companies are great doing it, but it is not the case when said companies do the same with LGBT content? Now it is time to questions the companies sincerity?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-her-ass-is-part-of-her-character.275780/page-209#post-79751270

To any one who read the Genshin Impact thread, did I go too far there? It was exhausting dealing with the constant insults or people putting words in my mouth.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Because the political game for them now is to just be against whatever the other side is for. Doesn't really matter what it is.

[Averon]

If my country’s government turned around tomorrow and mandated that boob armour and excessive cleavage warranted a re-design, then yes I’d be a-okay with it. It’s not censorship it’s regulation.

It’s the changes themselves you have to look at to decide whether it’s bad. So for example when/if there’s a mandate against effeminate looking men, yes that’s totally bullshit.
 

Just redefine concepts and terms and everything's okay!

[Uncle]

Is it too much to ask that we just accept that we've learned more about what people struggle with and fucking wipe the slate clean?

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-her-ass-is-part-of-her-character.275780/page-209#post-79751270

To any one who read the Genshin Impact thread, did I go too far there? It was exhausting dealing with the constant insults or people putting words in my mouth.

Wonder if there's a chance for reflection why an authoritarian government would enforce character designs they actually approve of. Almost like their idea of good character designs are quite conservative....

[Uncle]

"chinese authorities are looking through citizens' social media histories and slaughtering anyone who ever said anything positive about donald trump or the united states. while their methods seem extreme, I have often wondered how different the world might be if similar methods were employed in the west, so I'm not comfortable passing judgement at this time"

[marrec]

Is it too much to ask that we just accept that we've learned more about what people struggle with and fucking wipe the slate clean?

(Image removed from quote.)

Uh can we pls stop using this meme Bugs Bunny is a notorious transphobe see this YouTube video and educate yourself:

[marrec]

If my country’s government turned around tomorrow and mandated that boob armour and excessive cleavage warranted a re-design, then yes I’d be a-okay with it. It’s not censorship it’s regulation.

It’s the changes themselves you have to look at to decide whether it’s bad. So for example when/if there’s a mandate against effeminate looking men, yes that’s totally bullshit.
 

Just redefine concepts and terms and everything's okay!

I'd love to ask them to define what censorship is then if it's not government control over arts and media.

The US government does a lot of censorship that we accept because it's of little consequence (FCC regulations on content, etc.) but trying to make this specific instance of government censorship okay by redefining it entirely is, to misuse a term they love to misuse, gaslighting.

[HaughtyFrank]

Is it too much to ask that we just accept that we've learned more about what people struggle with and fucking wipe the slate clean?

(Image removed from quote.)

Uh can we pls stop using this meme Bugs Bunny is a notorious transphobe see this YouTube video and educate yourself:

"Sexiest moments"?

....

[Potato]

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1478099962189598726

 

Don't ever apologise. Don't ever acknowledge. Just keep on going as if no one is trying to cancel you.

Chappelle's biggest mistake was acknowledging the psychopaths in the first place. Oswalt's was trying to appease them.

[marrec]

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1478099962189598726

 

Don't ever apologise. Don't ever acknowledge. Just keep on going as if no one is trying to cancel you.

Chappelle's biggest mistake was acknowledging the psychopaths in the first place. Oswalt's was trying to appease them.

Well, with Chappelle, I think it was a good business move tbh

His recent specials have been pretty bad, without the draw of the controversy the only thing pulling people back over and over would be nostalgia for a Chappelle of the past. At least by having this weird back and forth with the mob he keeps generating attention. The important thing is that he's never apologized or admitted any kind of mistake, so they can't really force anything out of him. He'll just continually use them for headlines and Netflix will keep giving him specials because his fans watch and his haters watch.

Patton 100% fucked up, you never ever apologize to these twerps because there will never be any flagellation good enough, and if you aren't going to use the controversy to drive views/clicks then ya I agree don't even acknowledge the mob.

[Potato]

How deep does their hatred of wealth run? If someone is making 100k are they supposed to give 70-90% of their money away as well?

What's the cut off point between "hero" and "just a millionaire/billionaire trying to buy goodwill"?

Cause like... a Billionaire giving 10% of their wealth is more effective than someone with 1 million dollars giving 50% of their wealth.

Maybe if Keanu tweeted a photo of himself writing an apology in his notebook...

[Uncle]

I don't want to breed a world of unrepentant assholes...marjorie taylor greene also "never apologies"

but if you have the self-awareness to reflect and realize you have done nothing for which you need to repent, then don't repent

[Potato]

I don't want to breed a world of unrepentant assholes...marjorie taylor greene also "never apologies"

but if you have the self-awareness to reflect and realize you have done nothing for which you need to repent, then don't repent

I apologise to people all the time if I've done something wrong. The people you should never apologise to are the ones who have an agenda and are trying to publicly shame you into thinking and acting in their mandated way.

[marrec]

I don't want to breed a world of unrepentant assholes...marjorie taylor greene also "never apologies"

but if you have the self-awareness to reflect and realize you have done nothing for which you need to repent, then don't repent

It's all performance. Taylor Green is doing an extended bit because her voters eat it up, I'm sure she's not an unrepentant asshole in real life (likely just a normal asshole). I doubt she really believes half the shit she posts or talks about publicly and if you were able to somehow guarantee her full confidentiality would probably tell you she feels stupid when she has to play the roll of very loud public moron.

If a trans person came up to me in Sheetz and said "I was really hurt when I went to TheBire and read about you calling Bugs Bunny a transphobe his cross dressing is actually very affirmative" then I'd apologize to that person. I'm not going to be a dick just because it was a throw away joke on a message board, this person has claimed hurt, I'll tell them I'm sorry I caused them hurt and then continue to post dumb shit.

I will NEVER apologize to people online though because even if 10% of the mob is sincere in their concerns, 90% are there just to take a bite out of you and so any apology is moot because that's not their goal. Growth and change and understanding is ancillary to the actual goal of "make this person hurt as much as possible via my internet device".

I don't want to breed a world of unrepentant assholes...marjorie taylor greene also "never apologies"

but if you have the self-awareness to reflect and realize you have done nothing for which you need to repent, then don't repent

I apologise to people all the time if I've done something wrong. The people you should never apologise to are the ones who have an agenda and are trying to publicly shame you into thinking and acting in their mandated way.

Yes, what Potato said, just read this post and not my essay.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I guarantee that dave's untitled is like ghost written by the late daphne and co-wrote half the trans jokes.

[HaughtyFrank]

but some of the designs of the male characters have been pretty important to me in terms of my gender

Same! It's so good when you find someone who understands this

Going to use this excuse for anime tiddies

[clothedmacuser]

 User Banned (Permanent): Antagonizing mods and members in thread focused on subject intersecting with race.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-calls-pop-singer-jason-derulo-usher-as-an-insult-and-gets-a-2-piece-combo-meal-for-lunch-spicy.535289/post-79759133

I will be the one to say it. Nobody but sycophants are willing to engage the mods/admins in any kind of productive discussion here because they wield their powers like sledgehammers and openly show vitriol towards the community as a whole they are supposed to foster. That is all.

Also, that poster is racist
https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-calls-pop-singer-jason-derulo-usher-as-an-insult-and-gets-a-2-piece-combo-meal-for-lunch-spicy.535289/post-79759523

[HaughtyFrank]

User Banned (Permanent): Antagonizing mods and members in thread focused on subject intersecting with race.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-calls-pop-singer-jason-derulo-usher-as-an-insult-and-gets-a-2-piece-combo-meal-for-lunch-spicy.535289/post-79759133

I will be the one to say it. Nobody but sycophants are willing to engage the mods/admins in any kind of productive discussion here because they wield their powers like sledgehammers and openly show vitriol towards the community as a whole they are supposed to foster. That is all.

Folks ain't never been scared to call mods everything but a child of God to their faces. If we were as petty and vengeful as you fantasize us to be there wouldn't be anyone with an active account but Fat4all and Captain of Outer Space

 User Banned (Permanent): Antagonizing mods and members in thread focused on subject intersecting with race.

If we were as petty and vengeful as you fantasize us

User Banned (Permanent)

[clothedmacuser]

Oh god.  Nepenthe is in that thread.  How long until she makes it about the real victim?  Herself.

[jorma]

User Banned (Permanent): Antagonizing mods and members in thread focused on subject intersecting with race.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-calls-pop-singer-jason-derulo-usher-as-an-insult-and-gets-a-2-piece-combo-meal-for-lunch-spicy.535289/post-79759133

I will be the one to say it. Nobody but sycophants are willing to engage the mods/admins in any kind of productive discussion here because they wield their powers like sledgehammers and openly show vitriol towards the community as a whole they are supposed to foster. That is all.

Folks ain't never been scared to call mods everything but a child of God to their faces. If we were as petty and vengeful as you fantasize us to be there wouldn't be anyone with an active account but Fat4all and Captain of Outer Space

 User Banned (Permanent): Antagonizing mods and members in thread focused on subject intersecting with race.

If we were as petty and vengeful as you fantasize us

User Banned (Permanent)

Poor slayven is the real victim here as he was made a total bitch by nep nep, when he tried to show that user how cool they were with being put on the spot and she's like "nuh uh slayven that weak shit won't do, we are exactly as mean an petty as that user suggested we were" 

seriously i'm not sure you can dismiss someone as blatantly as she just did when slayven was already in the topic engaging with the banned user and she's like "nah, i'm gonna sledgehammer this instead" and still pretend that she thinks slay is anything but a useless bag of farts that's probably just kept around for diversity reasons.

[Uncle]

era thread when 

https://twitter.com/jonstewart/status/1478791577573199875

tl;dr jon stewart loves harry potter and wants to clarify that he does not cconsider jk rowling antisemitic (conspicuously ignoring any lingering elephants in the room)

[Propagandhim]

   That's his takeaway lesson?



Silence isn't the only thing that's violence

[Propagandhim]

This is how anyone should ever reply to a legit argument on Resetera.


-Systemic racism is bad, and often made worse because of the hidden nature it takes on in modern, meritocratic societies. 

+OH U WANT COOKIE???  WUT KIND OF COOKIE???

[Uncle]

if making a point that someone somewhere in the world has made before deserves a patronizing pat on the head, royalan is going to have to pass around a LOT of cookies

[cosmicblizzard]

Anyone got the balls to post this in that thread (or the constructive community one)?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/genshin-impact-altered-censored-characters-to-appease-ccp.535484/page-8#post-79762613

Chinese working in creative fields here. I didn't want to post in this thread because it's gaming forum and I didn't want to get too political, so earlier I just left the Chinese news source then left. But since this thread is still going on and it filled with bad faith responses and trolling, I'm feeling like I'm compelled to say something.

For those who thought "This might be censorship but the re-design is not bad, so it might not be a bad thing after all", I get you. It's just a game made by Chinese, enjoyed by you. They just changed some pixels and polygons on your screen and it might even enhanced your enjoyment. And even for us Chinese, it seems like it won't effect us that much either, right? It is just a Gacha.

Yes - these design changes are just minor scars for the game's creators.

But they are minor scars between thousands of cuts Chinese creators endured everyday.

You witnessed this censorship because this game hit the jackpot. It's a cash cow, the most important Chinese game in the global market ever, but it still need to bend its knees. Imaging what happen to countless smaller creators in China and the area under China's influence. You know what happen to Devotion, right? And they are not even Chinese citizens.

Chinese creators have been put in jail for: producing LGBTQ+ content, self-publishing, voicing political opinions...every "petty" things.

The horrible power that torture these creators, and the power that made MiHoyo changing some pixels, is the SAME THING. Genshi have it easy, because it's making money, and it earns reputation for China around the world.

About what's "an actual censorship", I can tell you how Chinese censorship works. I knew Gaming Era debated about Chinese censorship many times. It usually went like this:



I facepalmed every time when I read discussion like this. It's based on the wrong assumption that censorship is "law". But no, it's wrong. Law is: you can't do such and such things, they are against the law, so you'd be fine if you don't do those bad things. It's not how censorship works.

Yes, there some elements we Absolutely can't put in our works. You know those stuff. Like talking about certain square, Taiwan,Uighur, some dear leaders...

If these are "rules" all there is, then things would be far easier. But we have more complex things to deal with.

In reality, It is more like:

1.Absolute power abusers hold the red line.
2.They won't tell you where the red line ends.
3.They will punish you if you cross the red line but won't tell you what is exactly wrong.
4. And they can and they will move the red line however they want.

So, low-cut collar is allow or not? How much skins can we show? No no, THERE ARE NO RULES. Only rules are their orders are ABSOLUTE. You need to self-censored to fit their demand.

As a creator we always got vague "order" from bureaucracy like these:

"Have more patriotism!" "Not positive enough!"

OK. Then how to do it? Well you better figured yourself, otherwise you are in big trouble. It leads to horrible overly self-censored.

Last but not least: if you think Chinese government do this to lessen the objectification of woman, you are delusional. Woman's living condition in China is dire. The government official declared feminism is "corrupted western value". This is a recent pivotal example.

So. If you're enjoying Genshi Impact, please continuing doing it, it's good for the developers. If you think these costume changes are visual appealing, it's still fine, you can enjoy it whatever you want.

But PLEASE remember you're witness a tiny display of absolute corrupted power and people are suffering for it. Just don't be like "well, sometimes censorship do some good things then", because it's insulting too those who suffer.

Sorry for the long rant.

[Propagandhim]

Sinophobic content

 

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/someone-calls-pop-singer-jason-derulo-usher-as-an-insult-and-gets-a-2-piece-combo-meal-for-lunch-spicy.535289/post-79769675

Have to hand it to the black folk in this thread the sea of bullshit and underhanded intentions is clear as water in here.

the only problem in here is that a black man punched someone in the face in public a successful black man.

people in here with their underhanded intentions veiling it with their thin “excuse” of “toxic masculinity”, or “ physical violence”

Y’all are as clear as water. Applause to the black folk in here seeing shit for what it is.

They aren't even elderly white/asian women and Era still cheers on the violence. 

[Uncle]

this is only one person's opinion, and lacking further context it's quite possible this person could be an Uncle Chan

plus if everything he says is true, then why should we trust him? the chinese are all forced to think and act as the party prescribes, which would naturally include their post too

[HaughtyFrank]

Why is it suddenly so important to them to defend punching someone over the word "bitch"?

They're fucking weirdos

Fucking Royalan in there talking about how "words have started wars"

what the fuck?

[railGUN]

So I can punch you if you call me a cracker, right?

[HaughtyFrank]

So I can punch you if you call me a cracker, right?

That seems to be the endgame of their dumb logic

[Uncle]

before you punch, be sure to check the handy list of slurs that provide valid casus belli

[Boredfrom]

That user was one of the few pushing against “Criticism of China is sinophobia” when “Asian” Era pushes that narrative.

[railGUN]

These motherfuckers are just fine with abuse because ‘its just words’.

 

[Propagandhim]

This is not a discussion about race.  This is a discussion about whether or not it's okay to assault someone over being called a "bitch".  He just happens to be black.   

[cosmicblizzard]

That thread is extremely alien to me in general.  I had slurs hurled at me semi-regularly at one point early in my life, but I was still taught that those words alone were ultimately meaningless even if you should be on guard in some of them.  The idea of retaliating with violence when no violence or explicit threats were dished out first is something I just can't wrap my head around.  I know it happens and I understand having a different upbringing about it, but even then I never actually hear it described as a good thing from people that did have that experience.

The people denying it being toxic masculinity because of racial dynamics isn't the homerun take they seem to think it is.  Being part of a marginalized group doesn't preclude you from buying into it.  Hell, for some it's intrinsically linked (something progressives in black, latino, and some other communities will be the first to tell you).  This just seems like another intersectionality powder keg waiting to blow up in people's faces the same way the Bernie vs Biden black voting bloc did.

[Potato]

(Image removed from quote.)

This is not a discussion about race.  This is a discussion about whether or not it's okay to assault someone over being called a "bitch".  He just happens to be black.   

This is not a discussion about race. This is a discussion about whether or not it's okay to assault someone over being called a "bitch" if you happen to be black.

FTFY

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/keanu-reeves-reportedly-donated-70-of-his-matrix-salary-to-cancer-research.535280/

Always like Keanu. A good spirit. Even ERA’s thread is completely positive about the gu-

If you get like 100 million and you give away 70 million, you still have 30 million left. Numbers pulled from my butt but the point is I wouldn't call anyone still getting millions as a hero.

And no I'm not saying he shouldn't keep those millions. Just that labeling a rich person giving off millions as heroic seems a bit much if you still have plenty left.

Role model sure though. More rich people need to understand they really don't need all their millions

would be better if he gave them 88%. 30% cut is just too high.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/keanu-reeves-reportedly-donated-70-of-his-matrix-salary-to-cancer-research.535280/#post-79712723

This is why I don’t tolerate Keanu slander.

No, I don’t care if you think he’s a bad actor. Being an excellent human being trumps acting talent.

Yet he was in a transphobic game Cyberpunk 2077

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/genshin-impact-altered-censored-characters-to-appease-ccp.535484/page-8#post-79762613

Chinese working in creative fields here. I didn't want to post in this thread because it's gaming forum and I didn't want to get too political, so earlier I just left the Chinese news source then left. But since this thread is still going on and it filled with bad faith responses and trolling, I'm feeling like I'm compelled to say something.

For those who thought "This might be censorship but the re-design is not bad, so it might not be a bad thing after all", I get you. It's just a game made by Chinese, enjoyed by you. They just changed some pixels and polygons on your screen and it might even enhanced your enjoyment. And even for us Chinese, it seems like it won't effect us that much either, right? It is just a Gacha.

Yes - these design changes are just minor scars for the game's creators.

But they are minor scars between thousands of cuts Chinese creators endured everyday.

You witnessed this censorship because this game hit the jackpot. It's a cash cow, the most important Chinese game in the global market ever, but it still need to bend its knees. Imaging what happen to countless smaller creators in China and the area under China's influence. You know what happen to Devotion, right? And they are not even Chinese citizens.

Chinese creators have been put in jail for: producing LGBTQ+ content, self-publishing, voicing political opinions...every "petty" things.

The horrible power that torture these creators, and the power that made MiHoyo changing some pixels, is the SAME THING. Genshi have it easy, because it's making money, and it earns reputation for China around the world.

About what's "an actual censorship", I can tell you how Chinese censorship works. I knew Gaming Era debated about Chinese censorship many times. It usually went like this:



I facepalmed every time when I read discussion like this. It's based on the wrong assumption that censorship is "law". But no, it's wrong. Law is: you can't do such and such things, they are against the law, so you'd be fine if you don't do those bad things. It's not how censorship works.

Yes, there some elements we Absolutely can't put in our works. You know those stuff. Like talking about certain square, Taiwan,Uighur, some dear leaders...

If these are "rules" all there is, then things would be far easier. But we have more complex things to deal with.

In reality, It is more like:

1.Absolute power abusers hold the red line.
2.They won't tell you where the red line ends.
3.They will punish you if you cross the red line but won't tell you what is exactly wrong.
4. And they can and they will move the red line however they want.

So, low-cut collar is allow or not? How much skins can we show? No no, THERE ARE NO RULES. Only rules are their orders are ABSOLUTE. You need to self-censored to fit their demand.

As a creator we always got vague "order" from bureaucracy like these:

"Have more patriotism!" "Not positive enough!"

OK. Then how to do it? Well you better figured yourself, otherwise you are in big trouble. It leads to horrible overly self-censored.

Last but not least: if you think Chinese government do this to lessen the objectification of woman, you are delusional. Woman's living condition in China is dire. The government official declared feminism is "corrupted western value". This is a recent pivotal example.

So. If you're enjoying Genshi Impact, please continuing doing it, it's good for the developers. If you think these costume changes are visual appealing, it's still fine, you can enjoy it whatever you want.

But PLEASE remember you're witness a tiny display of absolute corrupted power and people are suffering for it. Just don't be like "well, sometimes censorship do some good things then", because it's insulting too those who suffer.

Sorry for the long rant.

 

Somehow, this was posted on Reeeeesetera, and no one recognised it immediately as the modus operandi of Resetera LLC MOBA Network AB.

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Uh can we pls stop using this meme Bugs Bunny is a notorious transphobe see this YouTube video and educate yourself:

Daffy was always the real hero

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That thread is extremely alien to me in general.  I had slurs hurled at me semi-regularly at one point early in my life, but I was still taught that those words alone were ultimately meaningless even if you should be on guard in some of them.  The idea of retaliating with violence when no violence or explicit threats were dished out first is something I just can't wrap my head around.  I know it happens and I understand having a different upbringing about it, but even then I never actually hear it described as a good thing from people that did have that experience.

The people denying it being toxic masculinity because of racial dynamics isn't the homerun take they seem to think it is.  Being part of a marginalized group doesn't preclude you from buying into it.  Hell, for some it's intrinsically linked (something progressives in black, latino, and some other communities will be the first to tell you).  This just seems like another intersectionality powder keg waiting to blow up in people's faces the same way the Bernie vs Biden black voting bloc did.

Counterpoint: that dude getting upended by a twisted ice tea was funny as shit.

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/genshin-impact-altered-censored-characters-to-appease-ccp.535484/page-8#post-79762613

Chinese working in creative fields here. I didn't want to post in this thread because it's gaming forum and I didn't want to get too political, so earlier I just left the Chinese news source then left. But since this thread is still going on and it filled with bad faith responses and trolling, I'm feeling like I'm compelled to say something.

For those who thought "This might be censorship but the re-design is not bad, so it might not be a bad thing after all", I get you. It's just a game made by Chinese, enjoyed by you. They just changed some pixels and polygons on your screen and it might even enhanced your enjoyment. And even for us Chinese, it seems like it won't effect us that much either, right? It is just a Gacha.

Yes - these design changes are just minor scars for the game's creators.

But they are minor scars between thousands of cuts Chinese creators endured everyday.

You witnessed this censorship because this game hit the jackpot. It's a cash cow, the most important Chinese game in the global market ever, but it still need to bend its knees. Imaging what happen to countless smaller creators in China and the area under China's influence. You know what happen to Devotion, right? And they are not even Chinese citizens.

Chinese creators have been put in jail for: producing LGBTQ+ content, self-publishing, voicing political opinions...every "petty" things.

The horrible power that torture these creators, and the power that made MiHoyo changing some pixels, is the SAME THING. Genshi have it easy, because it's making money, and it earns reputation for China around the world.

About what's "an actual censorship", I can tell you how Chinese censorship works. I knew Gaming Era debated about Chinese censorship many times. It usually went like this:



I facepalmed every time when I read discussion like this. It's based on the wrong assumption that censorship is "law". But no, it's wrong. Law is: you can't do such and such things, they are against the law, so you'd be fine if you don't do those bad things. It's not how censorship works.

Yes, there some elements we Absolutely can't put in our works. You know those stuff. Like talking about certain square, Taiwan,Uighur, some dear leaders...

If these are "rules" all there is, then things would be far easier. But we have more complex things to deal with.

In reality, It is more like:

1.Absolute power abusers hold the red line.
2.They won't tell you where the red line ends.
3.They will punish you if you cross the red line but won't tell you what is exactly wrong.
4. And they can and they will move the red line however they want.

So, low-cut collar is allow or not? How much skins can we show? No no, THERE ARE NO RULES. Only rules are their orders are ABSOLUTE. You need to self-censored to fit their demand.

As a creator we always got vague "order" from bureaucracy like these:

"Have more patriotism!" "Not positive enough!"

OK. Then how to do it? Well you better figured yourself, otherwise you are in big trouble. It leads to horrible overly self-censored.

Last but not least: if you think Chinese government do this to lessen the objectification of woman, you are delusional. Woman's living condition in China is dire. The government official declared feminism is "corrupted western value". This is a recent pivotal example.

So. If you're enjoying Genshi Impact, please continuing doing it, it's good for the developers. If you think these costume changes are visual appealing, it's still fine, you can enjoy it whatever you want.

But PLEASE remember you're witness a tiny display of absolute corrupted power and people are suffering for it. Just don't be like "well, sometimes censorship do some good things then", because it's insulting too those who suffer.

Sorry for the long rant.

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