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[Nintex]

If you watch the videos, you will understand what they mean. It’s unsolvable. What you get is workarounds. It’s never getting ‘fixed’, regardless how much money or creative you get with these films, heavy team up will always have to find workarounds. It’s part of the superhero genre and it’s impossible to break out without heavy liberties with how the characters work or looking overly fantastical, unrealistic or worse, bad. It’s part of the genre and there is no amount of money, creativity and directors you hire to make it look, it will still need to find the same workarounds that artists had to find even before film was a thing, conceding that you are dealing with a genre that has several overly colored characters that will end looking silly without the proper color grading that the scenes require.

lol what a load of shit

It's just a choice of art direction. When the kiddo's who grow up playing fortnite are the new audience for these movies they'll look like sugar factories.
One Ree member has a good point that this also happens because they convert it from the big screen to Blu-Ray or streaming and the colors get crushed in compression.

[Snoopycat_]

I was wondering if Neogaf had managed to get rid of the rejects, incels and mentals that turned it into a shit hole  -

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-year-anniversary-of-ubisoft-ignoring-pompous-open-letter-demanding-change.1639569/

[Tycoon Padre]

The whole fuck Jim Ryan thing came and went faster than a storyline in a CW show. Once again proving their performative bullshit.

Excuse you, I guess you didn't notice that PlayStation Era supports reproductive freedom and women's rights.

[Nintex]

I was wondering if Neogaf had managed to get rid of the rejects, incels and mentals that turned it into a shit hole  -

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/one-year-anniversary-of-ubisoft-ignoring-pompous-open-letter-demanding-change.1639569/


(Image removed from quote.)

Ubisoft is hiring

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/20-000-people-in-the-uk-marched-for-trans-rights-yet-the-press-didnt-report-on-it-except-for-pink-news.612933/

"why is pinknews the only media I believe?", ask single issue extremists

 

If you're truly a LGBTQ+ ally, you absolutely need to take action. I have been personally feeling suicidal because of the way the media and social media keeps up the anti-trans rhetoric and not hearing any cis voices apart from just cheering from the sidelines where it's safe is absolutely a problem.

They never say what "action" needs to be taken. But they're always demanding others take action. In this case, someone else needs to "take action" because the media didn't cover an irrelevant protest from highly privileged people demanding others accede to more of their demands.

And then we have this abusive ResetERA.com narcissist threatening others with their suicide because others haven't been anticipating that said abuser doesn't like other people saying things they don't like and so others have a duty to speak in ways only that the abuser likes.

What a complete piece of shit taking advantage of a forum that outlaws calling them a piece of shit for being a piece of shit. They hold all the cards in a place where wrongthought is against the rules and they're still demanding more of others to the point of imposing duties they never asked for then abusing others for not anticipating that they had new duties they needed to perform.

Absolutely vile person.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-the-mcu-turned-grey-and-how-they-fixed-it-two-video-essays-about-color-theory-and-marvel-superheroes-in-the-big-screen.613311/page-2#post-90738081

You guys don't understand. It's artistically impossible for the Russos to have done any better. It's film science.

Appreciate it or gtfo, you fucking losers.

lol

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/20-000-people-in-the-uk-marched-for-trans-rights-yet-the-press-didnt-report-on-it-except-for-pink-news.612933/

"why is pinknews the only media I believe?", ask single issue extremists

 

If you're truly a LGBTQ+ ally, you absolutely need to take action. I have been personally feeling suicidal because of the way the media and social media keeps up the anti-trans rhetoric and not hearing any cis voices apart from just cheering from the sidelines where it's safe is absolutely a problem.

They never say what "action" needs to be taken. But they're always demanding others take action. In this case, someone else needs to "take action" because the media didn't cover an irrelevant protest from highly privileged people demanding others accede to more of their demands.

And then we have this abusive ResetERA.com narcissist threatening others with their suicide because others haven't been anticipating that said abuser doesn't like other people saying things they don't like and so others have a duty to speak in ways only that the abuser likes.

What a complete piece of shit taking advantage of a forum that outlaws calling them a piece of shit for being a piece of shit. They hold all the cards in a place where wrongthought is against the rules and they're still demanding more of others to the point of imposing duties they never asked for then abusing others for not anticipating that they had new duties they needed to perform.

Absolutely vile person.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-the-mcu-turned-grey-and-how-they-fixed-it-two-video-essays-about-color-theory-and-marvel-superheroes-in-the-big-screen.613311/#post-90731037

Honest question. Is the majority of your filmmaking knowledge from watching YouTube videos and not application of skill? You seem to refer to YouTube a lot and even accused people in the other thread of basing their opinions of the MCU and Russos on videos they watched.

Like I said, I work with design for a living and have been studying color grading a big part of my life. I went to film school but ended up dropping out and studying marketing and advertising instead. I was just mentioning how clueless the color grading posts on the previous thread are because I do remembered watching this video and the overall impression I remember from watching the famous Willems video essay on this.

I think your tone is escalating quite a bit here and I’m always kind of cautious when someone I don’t know in the internet disses someone’s work while at same trying to impress claiming to work in the field. I am quite familiar with color theory due to my day job, have some knowledge about filmmaking and I just tried to share what I see as two great essays about color theory applied to filmmaking. If you are going to keep getting hostile, just know I won’t bother.

 

[Boredfrom]

It's one thing to be ignorant, but to be confident in your ignorance is a whole other thing I can't stand.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-a-modern-tv-be-able-to-withstand-any-kind-of-puncture-to-its-screen-twitter.613416/#post-90740838

 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Red Letter Media thread:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-a-modern-tv-be-able-to-withstand-any-kind-of-puncture-to-its-screen-twitter.613416/



edit: fuck

[Boredfrom]

I mean, is technically not a design flaw, but I will also be furious if my new TV bricks just because my cat decided to bite it. Is not exactly the same as stabbing the TV or throwing the wii remote to it.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Huge male Karen energy here. And looking at his bio, he is probably also a millionaire. Just buy a new one ffs.

 

[Boredfrom]

I don’t have cats, so dunno about this, but people act like electronics dying because a random cat bite is somehow expected. Doesn’t mean is a design flaw, but I remember when electronics were more durable.

  mI could not imagine calling customer service and expecting more than a shrug. Your cat put a fucking hole in your TV screen! The attempt to keep playing it down by talking about how small you think the hole is is hilarious. It's a fucking hole in your screen.

This is the reason I rolled my eyes when I saw the tweet. It's a hole

You guys act like it was drilled

[Boredfrom]

.Not at all surprised RLM are acting this way, bunch of fuckin losers.

“Yeah there’s a puncture hole right on the screen of my ultra thin tv. But it’s so small! How could that kill the tv? What a bad product!”

Like shut the fuck up lol

“From my cat.”

Why should a cat bite kill a TV?

[HaughtyFrank]

I guess a different outcome could have been that it fucks up a section of the screen, which makes it still pretty unusable

[HaughtyFrank]

Huge male Karen energy here. And looking at his bio, he is probably also a millionaire. Just buy a new one ffs.

 

His Bio:

Something terrible happened to me one year on Lincoln’s birthday.

 

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

They are acting like Jay is trying to bankrupt LG or something, Jesus christ

Some dude even made fun that he was worried about his cat, fucking psychos.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-“deeply-remorseful”-for-oscar-slap.613449/#post-90745737

He’s a cuck

[Pissy F Benny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/20-000-people-in-the-uk-marched-for-trans-rights-yet-the-press-didnt-report-on-it-except-for-pink-news.612933/

"why is pinknews the only media I believe?", ask single issue extremists

 

If you're truly a LGBTQ+ ally, you absolutely need to take action. I have been personally feeling suicidal because of the way the media and social media keeps up the anti-trans rhetoric and not hearing any cis voices apart from just cheering from the sidelines where it's safe is absolutely a problem.

They never say what "action" needs to be taken. But they're always demanding others take action. In this case, someone else needs to "take action" because the media didn't cover an irrelevant protest from highly privileged people demanding others accede to more of their demands.

And then we have this abusive ResetERA.com narcissist threatening others with their suicide because others haven't been anticipating that said abuser doesn't like other people saying things they don't like and so others have a duty to speak in ways only that the abuser likes.

What a complete piece of shit taking advantage of a forum that outlaws calling them a piece of shit for being a piece of shit. They hold all the cards in a place where wrongthought is against the rules and they're still demanding more of others to the point of imposing duties they never asked for then abusing others for not anticipating that they had new duties they needed to perform.

Absolutely vile person.

the "action" they usually want is for people to give them money for toys and vidya

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-“deeply-remorseful”-for-oscar-slap.613449/#post-90745737

He’s a cuck

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account. Prior ban for dismissive commentary.

Hit dog hollers.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-“deeply-remorseful”-for-oscar-slap.613449/#post-90745737

He’s a cuck

Hey, if it helps white people loosen the grip on their pearls...

That a black man slapping another black man was somehow turned into "white people are racist" on RE and other places still blows my mind.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/#post-90745896

He’s a cuck

You might want to be careful throwing around these words when its origins are racist and very specific to black men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold#History_of_the_term

The word cuckold derives from the cuckoo bird, alluding to its habit of laying its eggs in other birds' nests.[3][4] The association is common in medieval folklore, literature, and iconography.

English usage first appears about 1250 in the medieval debate poem The Owl and the Nightingale. It was characterized as an overtly blunt term in John Lydgate's "Fall of Princes", c. 1440.[5] Shakespeare's writing often referred to cuckolds, with several of his characters suspecting they had become one.[4]

The word often implies that the husband is deceived; that he is unaware of his wife's unfaithfulness and may not know until the arrival or growth of a child plainly not his (as with cuckoo birds).[4]

The female equivalent cuckquean first appears in English literature in 1562,[6][7] adding a female suffix to the cuck.

A related word, first appearing in 1520, is wittol, which substitutes wit (in the sense of knowing) for the first part of the word, referring to a man aware of and reconciled to his wife's infidelity.[8]
Cuck
Further information: Cuckservative

An abbreviation of cuckold, the term cuck has been used by the alt-right to attack the masculinity of an opponent. It was originally aimed at other conservatives, whom the alt-right saw as "insufficiently committed to racism and anti-Semitism", according to The New York Times.[9]

 

Edit: Is that something from that Buck Breaking movie?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-2#post-90746322

He’s a cuck

This word has lost all meaning.

But it's literally true?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-2#post-90746466

Will definitely wasn’t “right,” and good on him for apologizing thoroughly

still was funny tho

 

[Propagandhim]

once upon a time in a da wes'
madman fucked my bald wife in da wes'

[Boredfrom]

Huge male Karen energy here. And looking at his bio, he is probably also a millionaire. Just buy a new one ffs.

 

His Bio:

Something terrible happened to me one year on Lincoln’s birthday.

 

Is a Gremlins reference.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/#post-90745896

He’s a cuck

You might want to be careful throwing around these words when its origins are racist and very specific to black men.

[Nintex]

So basically if you use the word cuck you are quoting shakespare

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

like, 90% of medieval comedy plots is someone getting cuckolded - they thought that was the funniest shit possible back then.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Nepenthe has entered the thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-3#post-90749748

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

 

[Boredfrom]

The fact that performative white people desperate to be aggrieved and offended blew this fucking slap up into one of the biggest news stories of the year is so fucking typical of them.

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-3

Cunts

[Straight Edge]

So will smith is both a literal cuck-his wife Fucks other men and a figurative cuck- he kowtowed to his white audience by apologizing.

[Boredfrom]

Meanwhile these same whites let Mel Gibson back in and would happily take back Roman Polanski too if the courts would let them.

It's a joke.

 

Mel Gibson has not starred in a blockbuster film in YEARS, you fucking bitch. And Roman Polanski is in his way of getting cancelled in France of all places... and he was thrown out of the Academy!

You fucking dumb bitch.

[Boredfrom]

Nepenthe has entered the thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-3#post-90749748

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

 

At this point, is not funny because nobody can call her out.

[HaughtyFrank]

Huge male Karen energy here. And looking at his bio, he is probably also a millionaire. Just buy a new one ffs.

 

His Bio:

Something terrible happened to me one year on Lincoln’s birthday.

 

Is a Gremlins reference.

I get that, but I'm confused how that leads that person to think Jay is a millionaire

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Was this still a thing? I haven't heard or read anything about this incident for months now, until this video.

Then again, I might just be out of touch.

User Banned: Dismissing Rage Culture

[HaughtyFrank]

The fact that performative white people desperate to be aggrieved and offended blew this fucking slap up into one of the biggest news stories of the year is so fucking typical of them.

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-3

Cunts

To use one of RE's favorite expressions, this feels a lot like gaslighting. Just repeatedly tell people that they're not feeling what they're feeling and that it's actually all racism

[HaughtyFrank]

4 months...still how I feel about this personally.

Sorry white people, but stay in your fucking lane on this.

Saying that a black man slapping a black man is somehow black culture is not the argument they think it is.

[Nintex]

He can read from a teleprompter and wear a hat.

I thought he was going to announce he's running for President.

[Boredfrom]

This issue really should be dead already and it sucks that he finds himself having to apologize so much . Unfortunately he can have all the support in the world but the slap is such an indelible image that I think it's going to be tough for him to shake it off. He has to eventually find a way to have fun with it and meme it up and Chris needs to get over it already.

Chappelle got attacked just months ago and people still call him names. I guess is difficult to get over it for comedians if they are in a position to be physical attacked because jokes.

[Pissy F Benny]

Has Chris even said anything?

[Boredfrom]

Reading this thread just makes me think of how much Hollywood and the media would have been tripping over themselves to praise standing up for your wife and family if it was a white actor.

The pearl clutching people are still doing is fucking wild.

Sure buddy, sure...

You also forgot that Will got a STANDING OVATION during his rant.

[HaughtyFrank]

Has Chris even said anything?

Made some jokes at a recent standup

Chris Rock on Oscars slap: “Anyone who says words hurt has never been punched in the face.”

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1552441475757129729

Edit: weird, somehow can't get the tweet to integrate

[Pissy F Benny]

JOKES?

[Boredfrom]

Right.

We can’t say words are words and jokes are jokes and then turn around and want to hold Dave Chapelle accountable for his transphobic shit.

 

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-dylan-accused-of-sexually-abusing-a-12-year-old-in-1965.472425/page-3#post-90749571

So this case was dismissed with prejudice yesterday. Turns out the plaintiff is quite a loon with a history of bizarre allegations, inconsistent statements, and particularly fatal to this case, destruction of evidence.

"But women never lie about sexual abuse..."

[Propagandhim]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.


Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.


Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

Are you advocating someone not hold up their end of a 7 year contract?!

[Propagandhim]

[benjipwns]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.

Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

Do you have a list of these countries without any whites or white-adjacents or history of white colonialism where she can live at her current standard of living?

Asking for a former pharmacy technician.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-4#post-90751506

Words can have indirect consequences, but that's a larger discussion. Words have no power on their own, it's all in how they are received and processed. Physically assaulting someone is always a direct act of violence. This shouldn't be controversial. Sad it has to be said.

Curious what your take is on Alex Jones and the effect his words had on the parents of the kids murdered at Sandy Hook. Words have a fuckton of power.

Damn, comparing Rock's joke to Sandy Hook. Now I've seen it get low.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-4#post-90751734

Either words have power or they don't.

This should be a simple principle to be consistent with.

Chris Rock's joke was Black people's Sandy Hook?

[benjipwns]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.

Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

Do you have a list of these countries without any whites or white-adjacents or history of white colonialism where she can live at her current standard of living?

Asking for a former pharmacy technician.

Oh, wow, putting the burden on Propagandhim to identify a country when the entire world hasn't divested from capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy yet?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.


Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

Are you advocating someone not hold up their end of a 7 year contract?!

It can't be overstated how hard she, as the owners' stepdaughter, got hosed on that deal. If he liked her, she would have got financing on a good trade in with minimal mark up or a demo. A seven-year lease on a new car means he must hate her.

[ShutUp]

4 months...still how I feel about this personally.

Sorry white people, but stay in your fucking lane on this.

Saying that a black man slapping a black man is somehow black culture is not the argument they think it is.

White people aren’t the ones trying to make a black guy slapping another black guy on live TV about white people. Everyone had also long since stopped talking about this until this apology.

Amazing that their mantra of “actions have consequences” they spout otherwise suddenly should not have applied here.

[benjipwns]

Eight year old article in a student newspaper:

There is something dark and vaguely cultish about this particular brand of politics. I’ve thought a lot about what exactly that is. I’ve pinned down four core features that make it so disturbing: dogmatism, groupthink, a crusader mentality, and anti-intellectualism. I’ll go into detail about each one of these. The following is as much a confession as it is an admonishment. I will not mention a single sin that I have not been fully and damnably guilty of in my time.

First, dogmatism. One way to define the difference between a regular belief and a sacred belief is that people who hold sacred beliefs think it is morally wrong for anyone to question those beliefs. If someone does question those beliefs, they’re not just being stupid or even depraved, they’re actively doing violence. They might as well be kicking a puppy. When people hold sacred beliefs, there is no disagreement without animosity. In this mindset, people who disagreed with my views weren’t just wrong, they were awful people. I watched what people said closely, scanning for objectionable content. Any infraction reflected badly on your character, and too many might put you on my blacklist. Calling them ‘sacred beliefs’ is a nice way to put it. What I mean to say is that they are dogmas.

Thinking this way quickly divides the world into an ingroup and an outgroup — believers and heathens, the righteous and the wrong-teous. “I hate being around un-rad people,” a friend once texted me, infuriated with their liberal roommates. Members of the ingroup are held to the same stringent standards. Every minor heresy inches you further away from the group. People are reluctant to say that anything is too radical for fear of being been seen as too un-radical. Conversely, showing your devotion to the cause earns you respect. Groupthink becomes the modus operandi. When I was part of groups like this, everyone was on exactly the same page about a suspiciously large range of issues. Internal disagreement was rare. The insular community served as an incubator of extreme, irrational views.

High on their own supply, activists in these organizing circles end up developing a crusader mentality: an extreme self-righteousness based on the conviction that they are doing the secular equivalent of God’s work. It isn’t about ego or elevating oneself. In fact, the activists I knew and I tended to denigrate ourselves more than anything. It wasn’t about us, it was about the desperately needed work we were doing, it was about the people we were trying to help. The danger of the crusader mentality is that it turns the world in a battle between good and evil. Actions that would otherwise seem extreme and crazy become natural and expected. I didn’t think twice about doing a lot of things I would never do today.

...

Activists in these circles often express disdain for theory because they take theoretical issues to be idle sudoku puzzles far removed from the real issues on the ground. This is what led one friend of mine to say, in anger and disbelief, “People’s lives aren’t some theoretical issue!” That same person also declared allegiance to a large number of theories about people’s lives, which reveals something important. Almost everything we do depends on one theoretical belief or another, which range from simple to complex and from implicit to explicit. A theoretical issue is just a general or fundamental question about something that we find important enough to think about. Theoretical issues include ethical issues, issues of political philosophy, and issues about the ontological status of gender, race, and disability. Ultimately, it’s hard to draw a clear line between theorizing and thinking in general. Disdain for thinking is ludicrous, and no one would ever express it if they knew that’s what they were doing.

Specifically on the radical leftist side of things, one problem created by this anti-theoretical bent is a lot of rhetoric and bluster, a lot of passionate railing against the world or some aspect of it, without a clear, detailed, concrete alternative. There was a common excuse for this. As an activist friend wrote in an email, “The present organization of society fatally impairs our ability to imagine meaningful alternatives. As such, constructive proposals will simply end up reproducing present relations.” This claim is couched in theoretical language, but it is a rationale for not theorizing about political alternatives. For a long time I accepted this rationale. Then I realized that mere opposition to the status quo wasn’t enough to distinguish us from nihilists. In the software industry, a hyped-up piece of software that never actually gets released is called “vapourware.” We should be wary of political vapourware. If somebody’s alternative to the status quo is nothing, or at least nothing very specific, then what are they even talking about? They are hawking political vapourware, giving a “sales pitch” for something that doesn’t even exist.

Anti-intellectualism also comes out in full force on the anti-oppressive side of things. It manifests itself in the view that knowledge not just about what oppression, is like, but also knowledge about all the ethical questions pertaining to oppression is accessible only through personal experience. The answers to these ethical questions are treated as a matter of private revelation. In the academic field of ethics, ethical claims are judged on the strength of their arguments, a form of public revelation. Some activists find this approach intolerable.

Perhaps the most deeply held tenet of a certain version of anti-oppressive politics – which is by no means the only version – is that members of an oppressed group are infallible in what they say about the oppression faced by that group. This tenet stems from the wise rule of thumb that marginalized groups must be allowed to speak for themselves. But it takes that rule of thumb to an unwieldy extreme.

Let me give an example. A gay person is typically much better acquainted with homophobia than a straight person. Moreover, a gay person has a much greater stake in what society does about homophobia, so their view on the matter is more important. However, there is nothing about the experience of being gay in itself that enlightens a gay person about the ethics of sexual orientation.

To take a dead simple case, you don’t have to hear it from a gay person to know that homosexuality is ethically just fine. If you’re a straight person and a gay person tells you that homosexuality is wrong, you can be confident in your judgement that they are full of shit. In this situation, the straight person is right and the gay person is wrong about homosexuality and homophobia. Gay people have no special access to ethical knowledge, in general or about sexual orientation specifically. Gay people do tend to have better ethical knowledge about sexual orientation than straight people, but that is only because of how our life circumstances move us to reflect on it.

If I said the same thing about another context that isn’t so simple — when the correct opinion isn’t so obvious — I would be roundly condemned. But the example’s simplicity isn’t what makes it valid. People who belong to oppressed groups are just people, with thoughts ultimately as fallible as anyone else’s. They aren’t oracles who dispense eternal wisdom. Ironically, this principle of infallibility, designed to combat oppression, has allowed essentialism to creep in. The trait that defines a person’s group membership is treated as a source of innate ethical knowledge. This is to say nothing about the broader problem of how you’re supposed to decide who’s a source of innate knowledge. Certainly not someone who innately “knows” that homosexuality is disgusting and wrong, but why not, if you’re simply relying on private revelation rather than public criteria?

Consider otherkin, people who believe they are literally animals or magical creatures and who use the concepts and language of anti-oppressive politics to talk about themselves. I have no problem drawing my own conclusions about the lived experience of otherkin. Nobody is literally a honeybee or a dragon. We have to assess claims about oppression based on more than just what people say about themselves. If I took the idea of the infallibility of the oppressed seriously, I would have to trust that dragons exist. That is why it’s such an unreliable guide. (I half-expect the response, “Check your human privilege!”)

It is an ominous sign whenever a political movement dispenses with methods and approaches of gaining knowledge that are anchored to public revelation and, moreover, becomes openly hostile to them. Anti-intellectualism and a corresponding reliance on innate knowledge is one of the hallmarks of a cult or a totalitarian ideology.

First, embrace humility. You may find it refreshing. Others will find it refreshing too. Be forceful, be impassioned, just don’t get too high on your own supply. Don’t drink your own kool aid. Question yourself as fiercely as you question society.

Second, treat people as individuals. For instance, don’t treat every person who belongs to an oppressed group as an authoritative mouthpiece of that group as a whole. People aren’t plugged into some kind of hive mind. Treating them like they are, besides being essentialist, also leads to contradictions since, obviously, not all people agree on all things. There is no shortcut that allows you to avoid thinking for yourself about oppression simply by deferring to the judgements of others. You have to decide whose judgements you are going to trust, and that comes to the same thing as judging for yourself. This drops a huge responsibility on your lap. Grasp the nettle firmly. Accept the responsibility and hone your thinking. Notice contradictions and logical fallacies. When you hear an opinion about a kind of oppression from a member of the group that experiences it, seek out countervailing opinions from members of the same group and weigh them against each other. Don’t be afraid to have original insights.

Third, learn to be diplomatic. Not everything is a war of good versus evil. Reasonable, informed, conscientious people often disagree about important ethical issues. People are going to have different conceptions of what being anti-oppressive entails, so get used to disagreement. When it comes to moral disagreements, disbelief, anger, and a sense of urgency are to be expected. They are inherent parts of moral disagreement. That’s what makes a diplomatic touch so necessary. Otherwise, everything turns into a shouting match.

Fourth, take a systems approach to the political spectrum. Treat the pursuit of the best kind of society as an engineering problem. Think about specific, concrete proposals. Would they actually work? Deconflate desirability and feasibility. Refine your categories beyond simple dichotomies like capitalism/socialism or statism/anarchism.

I am not going to let my disillusionment with my past activism discourage me from trying to do good in the future. If you find yourself similarly disillusioned, take heart. As long as you learn from your mistakes, no one can blame you for trying to be a good person. Don’t worry. We all get to come back.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why doesn't Nepenthe just move?  Is that an insensitive question?  If I spent every waking moment of my life hating the demographic of the nation I'm in, I'd just move?  I mean I moved out of my country and came to the US just so I could make more money - that's way less of an imperative than needing to move because my race was in endless existential subjugation by the people inhabiting the same living space as me.


Take control of your life, Nepenthe!  You can do it!

Are you advocating someone not hold up their end of a 7 year contract?!

It can't be overstated how hard she, as the owners' stepdaughter, got hosed on that deal. If he liked her, she would have got financing on a good trade in with minimal mark up or a demo. A seven-year lease on a new car means he must hate her.

I used to know someone who was heavy into "grass roots" movements.

I went to a couple of get togethers, and there was always someone pulling up in a shiny clean entry level car. They were always the same story, comfortable family with someone who got the eye for rights.   It was pretty humorous, but still admirable to some degree.



Their name? Barrack Obama.

[HaughtyFrank]

Eight year old article in a student newspaper:

How am I supposed to have an opinion on this when I can't find the author's twitter?

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-4#post-90751506

Words can have indirect consequences, but that's a larger discussion. Words have no power on their own, it's all in how they are received and processed. Physically assaulting someone is always a direct act of violence. This shouldn't be controversial. Sad it has to be said.

Curious what your take is on Alex Jones and the effect his words had on the parents of the kids murdered at Sandy Hook. Words have a fuckton of power.

Damn, comparing Rock's joke to Sandy Hook. Now I've seen it get low.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-4#post-90751734

Either words have power or they don't.

This should be a simple principle to be consistent with.

Chris Rock's joke was Black people's Sandy Hook?

And of course, Illumina banned without message or otherwise. But hey, they had 27 posts. Only a troll has that low a post count.

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-5#post-90752664

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

Or, hear me out on this one, one of the most famous actors in the world slapped one of the most famous comedians in the world during one of the most watched television events in the world.

I mean, shit, this finally killed the Moonlight/La La Land thing.

People will talk about this until the next stupid thing happens at the Oscars.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-smith-breaks-silence-%E2%80%9Cdeeply-remorseful%E2%80%9D-for-oscar-slap.613449/page-5#post-90752664

The only reason this is still a thing is because whites got terrified that one of the few niccas they actually felt safe around got too violent for them.

Or, hear me out on this one, one of the most famous actors in the world slapped one of the most famous comedians in the world during one of the most watched television events in the world.

I mean, shit, this finally killed the Moonlight/La La Land thing.

People will talk about this until the next stupid thing happens at the Oscars.

Dismissing concerns of white supremacy in a sensitive thread.