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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47220 on: April 11, 2023, 09:19:07 AM »
If anything it's confirmation that Morrigan deeply regrets getting kicked off the mod team

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47221 on: April 11, 2023, 09:39:58 AM »
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They could or could not still hold those view points, but being bigoted until you come to accept your self / come out to your self is not uncommon.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47222 on: April 11, 2023, 09:44:29 AM »
What's the "pretty notable" part?

Is it the central thesis of the "letter"? Or just the part where they explicitly say they wish to take scholarships from women?
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Did they equate transitioning with sports training?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47223 on: April 11, 2023, 09:55:03 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/

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Looks fun

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That looks like so much fun

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It looks super fun!

“Fun” is such a limp dick compliment for this.







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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47224 on: April 11, 2023, 09:59:27 AM »
I think they're trying to do a running joke.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47225 on: April 11, 2023, 10:00:39 AM »
There is totally a musical planet. Why pretend the leaks and rumors aren’t real?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47226 on: April 11, 2023, 10:10:37 AM »
The chuds are going to say that it's not fun and that's bad.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47227 on: April 11, 2023, 10:30:37 AM »
If anything it's confirmation that Morrigan deeply regrets getting kicked off the mod team
borrigan is one of the biggest cunts on that forum with their elitist music takes and boot licking

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47228 on: April 11, 2023, 10:31:46 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/

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Looks fun

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That looks like so much fun

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It looks super fun!

“Fun” is such a limp dick compliment for this.

trailer's only an hour old so we'll see which way the wind blows

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47229 on: April 11, 2023, 10:35:28 AM »
Constructive reacts to the HP ban with a resounding 'can y'all actually detail this and maybe announce it?'
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Saw the update from [USER=42858]AliceAmber[/USER] and wanted to stop by to say thank you to the staff at large for taking the decision to extend the ban to the IP as a whole. Especially knowing from a recent post by B-Dubs here what's likely to come your way as a result.
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<3 very happy to do it.
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Another thanks to the staff for extending the ban to the entire IP. Thank you.
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Super happy about the ban decision and not trying to raise a stink, but I had no idea the ban happened until I saw this thread get updated by Kyuuji. Curious to see the full language about the decision handed down, I checked the Announcements forum and saw nothing. Same for Gaming and EtcetEra side. So I checked the legacy of hate thread and saw the "Psst we banned HP" post but still no announcement. But then I found the announcement in the bumped HBO thread. I guess my question is whether or not the intent was to keep it intentionally lowkey because of past situations like B-Dubs outlined? Anybody active in this thread knows better than to ever discuss the IP again, but are genuinely unaware people going to eat bans if they bring it up?

Either way, this is my overall vibe:
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Neat stuff. I hear what B-Dubs said above, but I do feel a ban of this nature needs a formal announcement somewhere. Hopefully we'll see it somewhere.
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Pleased to see a full ban on the IP, given how Rowling's bigotry is omnipresent within the writing of it.
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Can we get a detailed announcement on this? It seems obvious from the one sentence that a sequel to this year’s game or Cursed Child 2 discussion would be banned but is the video talking about the neoliberal failings of the original books banned too? Should people in the Gameboy and Analogue Pocket threads remove old posts or just not post about the GBC games going forward?

Edit: Also I think this is a good move.
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Wait, where is the announcement? Is the whole franchise banned from now on?
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It should be pretty self evident that no one is expected to go back and scrub their posting history of any mention of HP....

Moving forward, a thread on how great LEGO Harry Potter on the Vita was would certainly be locked.
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Looking at which sales threads have gotten locked and which haven’t I think there is more ambiguity than there should be.
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No idea what you're referring to.
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So what points does a subject have to meet to warrant a full ban?  For example should topics around universal studios and WB be banned since both market and make money on said banned ip?

The full entirety of the ban FliX has been hyping up since like Friday as it was under deep discussion:
In the Show thread:
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INFORMATION
After further discussion, we have decided that the ban on Hogwarts Legacy will extend to all of the Wizarding World IP unless specified otherwise. This will include future movies, tv shows, books, rides or any other media.

And, making it clear the ban won't apply to the anti-JK thread (or, apparently, the Cormoran Strike stuff which is... weird), this is just a normal post in the anti-JK thread
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Psst we Banned HP. Fuck Joanne

Edit: banned the Wizarding World

Not putting this anywhere new people can find it in advance is solid leadership and surely not going to lead to a decent chunk of whatever new userbase they manage to actually get repeatedly stepping on the HP rake. But I guess they can't explain it or announce it anywhere people who might actually post about it might see, because it'd put them all in terrible danger that absolutely will not happen now that it's an ill-defined secret ban.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47230 on: April 11, 2023, 10:40:11 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/post-103978052

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This trailer was fun. I'm 100% in on this. Mostly to combat the Brie hate and the Ms. Marvel hate.

 :salute
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47231 on: April 11, 2023, 10:41:33 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/

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Looks fun

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That looks like so much fun

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It looks super fun!

“Fun” is such a limp dick compliment for this.

trailer's only an hour old so we'll see which way the wind blows

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Humor wise the teaser wasn’t that bad, but it looked like a power rangers episode at times. Why does RE pretends this film is smooth sailing?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47232 on: April 11, 2023, 10:42:03 AM »
behold, the most negative statement about Captain Marvel ever posted at era:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/post-103976603

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This has one thing that the first movie didn't - a personality. I rewatched it recently and it's a fine movie but it's trying to be a superhero movie, female empowerment fantasy, Top Gun, a spy thriller and 90s nostalgiathon all at once. But not really doing any of them well enough to truly stand out.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47233 on: April 11, 2023, 10:47:09 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/post-103978052

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This trailer was fun. I'm 100% in on this. Mostly to combat the Brie hate and the Ms. Marvel hate.

 :salute

It would be fun if Brie Larson came up with a second facial expression.

But I honestly like the premise of Ms. Marvel teaming up with the Captain Marvels.

Should be... streaming content on a streaming platform.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47234 on: April 11, 2023, 11:59:38 AM »
I see they removed the sticky for Hogwarts Legacy from the gaming side. Good to know the only consistency they have is trying to cover their own ineptitude and insularity.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47235 on: April 11, 2023, 12:18:35 PM »
I see they removed the sticky for Hogwarts Legacy from the gaming side. Good to know the only consistency they have is trying to cover their own ineptitude and insularity.

Nice try Chud, but talking about the ban is a violation of the ban.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47236 on: April 11, 2023, 12:42:10 PM »
moblin not liking this post is genocide

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47237 on: April 11, 2023, 12:47:51 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/post-103978052

Quote from: Ouroboros
This trailer was fun. I'm 100% in on this. Mostly to combat the Brie hate and the Ms. Marvel hate.

 :salute




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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47238 on: April 11, 2023, 12:54:16 PM »
I see they removed the sticky for Hogwarts Legacy from the gaming side. Good to know the only consistency they have is trying to cover their own ineptitude and insularity.

It's almost like B-Dubs is trying to hide the Harry Potter ban from MOBA. :kermit
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47239 on: April 11, 2023, 12:56:33 PM »
Still don’t understand why Dubs was asking Moba to contact the FBI. Aren’t they Swedish or something

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47240 on: April 11, 2023, 12:57:11 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/

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Looks fun

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That looks like so much fun

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It looks super fun!

“Fun” is such a limp dick compliment for this.
It looks like contentTM
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47241 on: April 11, 2023, 02:04:31 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/

Regardless of how you feel about AI, BCT is again trying to downplay that a black artist they like is doing something that usually gets called names at RE:

Quote from: Magneto
Not going to blame him. That's the future we're heading in.

Have some principles, my man.  :lol

Even the thread OP is dismissive even if is something they do all the time:

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... and by backlash, I mean people on twitter getting angry of course.




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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47242 on: April 11, 2023, 02:05:10 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamesual-sony-wants-to-moderate-players-emotions-during-gameplay.707405/#post-103985117

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Don't forget to moderate your moderation.

I'll pretend this is a hidden staff callout message from a verified dev that's dealt with plenty of hostility on the site

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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47244 on: April 11, 2023, 02:18:44 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/

Regardless of how you feel about AI, BCT is again trying to downplay that a black artist they like is doing something that usually gets called names at RE:

Quote from: Magneto
Not going to blame him. That's the future we're heading in.

Have some principles, my man.  :lol

Even the thread OP is dismissive even if is something they do all the time:

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... and by backlash, I mean people on twitter getting angry of course.





Glover has always been at the forefront artistically.

Will wait until everyone on era is swinging from his nuts again.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47245 on: April 11, 2023, 02:21:17 PM »
 
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Glover has always been at the forefront artistically.

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Now the thrill is gone, got no patience, 'cause I'm not a doctor (no)
Girl, why is you lying? Girl, why you Mufasa?

 :comeon

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47246 on: April 11, 2023, 02:27:25 PM »
one a kind of a generation

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47247 on: April 11, 2023, 02:31:33 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-2#post-103988789

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Let's wait until companies like Disney / Marvel uses AI content for their movies or whatever else. Because the real "amusing" part will be to see people trying to find a loophole to keep supporting what they enjoy (Because let's face it, it's easy to boycott things when you don't care about them.)
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47248 on: April 11, 2023, 02:35:31 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/

Regardless of how you feel about AI, BCT is again trying to downplay that a black artist they like is doing something that usually gets called names at RE:

Quote from: Magneto
Not going to blame him. That's the future we're heading in.

Have some principles, my man.  :lol

Even the thread OP is dismissive even if is something they do all the time:

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... and by backlash, I mean people on twitter getting angry of course.

Quote from: Orayn
"AI prompt engineer" is definitely going to be one of the most lucrative fake jobs to have in the next few years. Literally a professional idea guy.

 :doge it's literally something you can do well, or do poorly and take forever to get your desired result

you can spend hours reading up on strategies, incorporating others' tricks and suggestions

you have to learn how to seek out models that might be better suited to the specific thing you're working on, how to make your own models if you want a consistent look for a character, and have the technical knowledge to configure a PC (or even a GPU array) that gets you better results faster

most significantly, inpainting touch-up takes actual artistic vision and skill, as much as anyone skilled in Photoshop, recognizing which parts of the image are flawed and how to fix it

AI is easy to get something random that looks cool when you don't care about the result, but the more specific your vision, the more there is a case to be made that it's a learnable skill
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47249 on: April 11, 2023, 02:48:39 PM »
trailer's only an hour old so we'll see which way the wind blows

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/page-12#post-103991486
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Damn, that like to dislike ratio on Youtube.

Some things never change huh? What is it about Captain Marvel specifically that pisses incels off, compared to Black Widow and Scarlet Witch?

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Strongest MCU character at the time (well okay I guess Wanda is stronger now) riled them up on top of Brie being outspoken about stuff

Quote from: crienne
Because, from the start, Brie Larson's Captain Marvel has had strong themes of female empowerment. Black Widow started off as "pretty woman go brrrr" in Iron Man 2 and Scarlet Witch has been intrinsically tied with male characters (Quicksilver then Vision) for most of her appearances.

Quote from: Fj0823
Not only that, her ended up being right and "nerd" movies being much more Diverse now drove them insane.

Now add a Black woman and a brown muslim teenage girl characters and of course they're out at full force.

Just like they were out at full force for She-Hulk and how they have absolutely turned on the Bo-Katan character in Star Wars as "an example of feeeeeeemales done right" once she actually started getting focus

 :nothing
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47250 on: April 11, 2023, 02:56:21 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-3



Posted in a thread where the OP shows new job postings making use of human beings for a burgeoning technology, absorbing workers displaced by a process that can be automated.  Wins all around...?  Oh wait, no.  Nepenthe's mad that her inimitable, super unique pony art is doing more to help the human species than the advancement of biomedical tech and research with AI.  Fill life with mundane, unfulfilling tasks that can be automated by machines to make humanity great again.   Increased production that can lead to lower prices and greater access to goods and services, improving the overall standard of living?  Fuck ofofooffff.  Solving some of the world's most pressing issues, such as climate change, disease, and poverty?   The kind of tech that can be universally trained and potentially open enough to create new opportunities, improve existing jobs, and address  challenges in the poorest areas of the world?    FUckaoaoooofffff.

Depending on human beings to both take advantage of the immense benefits of AI AND invest in reskilling programs, lifelong learning, and social welfare policies that help individuals adapt to a changing job market?  No, tear everything down.  I don't trust the 'human species' to do that.  I only trust them when they're tasked to do something much more extreme and impractical that has no historical track record of ever working.   Along the same lines of what benji said, these people love to cosplay as revolutionaries because deep down they know nothing like that will ever happen, but feeling like some sort of libertine gives them some meaning.  When the greatest threat to the status quo finally shows up that has the potential to improve lives, Nepenthe reliably rails against it.   
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Greatness Gone

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47251 on: April 11, 2023, 03:07:46 PM »
The Marvels is just more low effort slop for the masses to consooom. It's going to make $600M minimum, so I don't understand why a few thousand dislikes on a youtube video matters or why they're so desperate for there to be a culture war around this movie. Disney already won.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47252 on: April 11, 2023, 03:11:30 PM »
The Marvels is just more low effort slop for the masses to consooom. It's going to make $600M minimum, so I don't understand why a few thousand dislikes on a youtube video matters or why they're so desperate for there to be a culture war around this movie. Disney already won.

I dunno people may have learned from the last film

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47253 on: April 11, 2023, 03:11:58 PM »
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It should be pretty self evident that no one is expected to go back and scrub their posting history of any mention of HP....

Moving forward, a thread on how great LEGO Harry Potter on the Vita was would certainly be locked.

:dead

Straight up gaslighting people how era mods operate here - pretending like it's not even common for mods to drop a ban reason mid thread then retroactively go on a banning spree :lol

It should be self evident forbidden subjects are enumerated somewhere so as to avoid inadvertent rule breaking

It should be self evident that rules are listed and rule breaking cites specific rules when being moderated

It should be self evident that moderators who want to post like regular posters should have a clear division between when they are just posting opinions versus acting in an official capacity, and not pull petty power tripping asshole moves like banning people for a disagreement, or responding in kind if that moderator is being overtly rude or hostile

It should be self evident that even taking situational wiggle room into account, certain posters shouldn't have a preferred status where they are not held to the same account as regular posters

It should be self evident that there are numerous forum tools available to moderate discussion without jumping to the last resort of bans, such as word filtering unwanted words, phrases, or links, issuing warnings to posters who are getting overly heated or expressing opinions too controversial for the majority, or thread banning people who are derailing but who don't make a habit of it

The fact is Master Of The Rejecting Reality And Substituting Their Own Stone is literally in a thread whose two recurring themes are 1) why is so much of the ahit mods decide literally the opposite of 'selr evident' and 2) why do the mods find it so fucking impossible to concede their mistakes

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47254 on: April 11, 2023, 03:15:14 PM »
Disney: watch our girl boss movie you transphobic racists!!!  :crybaby


Nintendo: Super Mario saves the princess :miyamoto

https://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1645845789791473685
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47255 on: April 11, 2023, 04:29:59 PM »
How are they taking it that Nintendo is pulling a :cruise on that box office?

Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47256 on: April 11, 2023, 04:37:54 PM »
In which Morrigan again registers her discontent with current moderation communication, despite B-dubs safety concerns:
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I think at this point the safest thing folks can do is just not talk about Harry Potter. No positive discussions, no hype threads, no critical discussions. Just...don't bring it up. Boom, you're completely safe.
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How hard is it to not talk about a series?
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Thanks mods for taking continued action on this. Fully agree with the ban being in place. Although I agree it could do with being signposted a bit better.

Quote from: Kinthey
Should probably also clarify how exactly the ban works. One mod mentioned that any thread about HP would get locked however the Hogwarts legacy ban was much more severe with anyone who even mentioned the game getting banned for a month.
I don't know if more clarity is needed; just don't talk about the subject. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
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"How hard is it to communicate rules updates?"

That's all that's being asked.  No one here is even disputing the ban on HP or are saying they want to talk about that series (I sure as shit don't, never cared for HP), they are asking a) that the update on the ban be communicated effectively and b) that the violations for breaking that rule be also clear.  I wouldn't tell anyone asking that the rule on the c-word be communicated clearly "how hard is it to not use a slur", because that's not the point.

For instance, as of writing this I had no idea before reading this thread, because.... well, I didn't see any new post anywhere. After people here mentioned it I thought it would be added to the sticky thread about the Hogwarts ban so I tried to look there... but, strangely, that thread is no longer sticky!

So I had to search for it. I searched for "hogwarts" in the search bar, but the Era search is very poor, and isn't even suggesting any thread in the autocomplete, let alone that sticky thread. I had to click "search titles only" and finally found it, only to see that the post was not updated anyway.

So I came back here and read a few more posts,  then saw someone in this very thread said (without linking the post... :P) that the rule update is in the "locked thread about the TV show", so I searched for "Harry Potter HBO", I clicked the first link thinking that was it, but it was actually an old thread, so I had to search again until I got the right one. Then I finally saw Alice's post, and while it's at least pretty clear about what does get banned, it does not explain the consequences of breaking the rule -- and of course it's not broadcast anywhere. Considering it's a rule that can easily be accidentally broken by regular users considering how buried the announcement is, the questions raised here seem... fair?

It's not like anyone here wants to deliberately break it or are asking because they want to try and find loopholes; it's simply not unreasonable to expect communications of rule changes in general. This is also not the first time many users have requested this for all sorts of rules update as well.  Right now, I can think of several topics that are banned (partially or completely) and the FAQ does not mention those policies nor has there been any site-wide announcement via alerts or banners: crypto/NFTs, Hogwarts (and now Harry Potter), the c-word, demanding topics or sources to be banned, on top of my head.

I posted about this back in February:

Quote from: Morrigan
They deploy site banners (such as the GOTY threads etc.) all the time to broadcast and communicate updates to members. Using this tool to say "we updated the ToS to add and/or adjust some of the rules, see here [link] for more details" should be a no-brainer.
It could have been done for the Hogwart policy, the "cunt" usage policy, and the policy of making it an infraction to demand bans on games or content creators (which, I support! but like, make it officially known before you start banning people for it, you know?), among other things. I was waiting for it to happen and I was sure they were just tied up and that it was coming any day now, but since it's been a month since the Hogwart policy thread was posted and it still hasn't been added to the banned game list in the FAQ nor any such site-wide alert has been posted, well, I wonder.

So, basically... I have to agree with this:
Quote from: rman320
If Nepenthe and Hecht are too busy to update the rule page then please assign the job to another moderator.

(it is kind of weird that Morrigan pretends to not kow staff wants the forum to run on vibes and doesn't want to write anything down and draw attention to it so they can't be expected to apply the rules in ways they don't want; doing a full blanket HP ban in a documented way would inevitably conflict with the anti-JK thread, so if they just don't write anything down they can ignore it.)
 

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47257 on: April 11, 2023, 04:38:55 PM »
How are they taking it that Nintendo is pulling a :cruise on that box office?

Good, actually, remember that that there is a lot of Nintendrones at the site. Cerium used to be a big one.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47258 on: April 11, 2023, 04:48:56 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/

Regardless of how you feel about AI, BCT is again trying to downplay that a black artist they like is doing something that usually gets called names at RE:

Quote from: Magneto
Not going to blame him. That's the future we're heading in.

Have some principles, my man.  :lol

Even the thread OP is dismissive even if is something they do all the time:

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... and by backlash, I mean people on twitter getting angry of course.

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"AI prompt engineer" is definitely going to be one of the most lucrative fake jobs to have in the next few years. Literally a professional idea guy.

 :doge it's literally something you can do well, or do poorly and take forever to get your desired result

you can spend hours reading up on strategies, incorporating others' tricks and suggestions

you have to learn how to seek out models that might be better suited to the specific thing you're working on, how to make your own models if you want a consistent look for a character, and have the technical knowledge to configure a PC (or even a GPU array) that gets you better results faster

most significantly, inpainting touch-up takes actual artistic vision and skill, as much as anyone skilled in Photoshop, recognizing which parts of the image are flawed and how to fix it

AI is easy to get something random that looks cool when you don't care about the result, but the more specific your vision, the more there is a case to be made that it's a learnable skill
Imagine people who consider unpaid forum janitor to be a job getting angry about the job title of AI prompt engineer...
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« Reply #47259 on: April 11, 2023, 04:58:18 PM »
trailer's only an hour old so we'll see which way the wind blows

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-teaser-trailer.707285/page-12#post-103991486
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Damn, that like to dislike ratio on Youtube.

Some things never change huh? What is it about Captain Marvel specifically that pisses incels off, compared to Black Widow and Scarlet Witch?

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Strongest MCU character at the time (well okay I guess Wanda is stronger now) riled them up on top of Brie being outspoken about stuff

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Because, from the start, Brie Larson's Captain Marvel has had strong themes of female empowerment. Black Widow started off as "pretty woman go brrrr" in Iron Man 2 and Scarlet Witch has been intrinsically tied with male characters (Quicksilver then Vision) for most of her appearances.

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Not only that, her ended up being right and "nerd" movies being much more Diverse now drove them insane.

Now add a Black woman and a brown muslim teenage girl characters and of course they're out at full force.

Just like they were out at full force for She-Hulk and how they have absolutely turned on the Bo-Katan character in Star Wars as "an example of feeeeeeemales done right" once she actually started getting focus

 :nothing
Maybe the movie just sucked...

 :trumps
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47260 on: April 11, 2023, 05:28:00 PM »
In which Morrigan again registers her discontent with current moderation communication, despite B-dubs safety concerns:
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I think at this point the safest thing folks can do is just not talk about Harry Potter. No positive discussions, no hype threads, no critical discussions. Just...don't bring it up. Boom, you're completely safe.
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How hard is it to not talk about a series?
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Thanks mods for taking continued action on this. Fully agree with the ban being in place. Although I agree it could do with being signposted a bit better.

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Should probably also clarify how exactly the ban works. One mod mentioned that any thread about HP would get locked however the Hogwarts legacy ban was much more severe with anyone who even mentioned the game getting banned for a month.
I don't know if more clarity is needed; just don't talk about the subject. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
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"How hard is it to communicate rules updates?"

That's all that's being asked.  No one here is even disputing the ban on HP or are saying they want to talk about that series (I sure as shit don't, never cared for HP), they are asking a) that the update on the ban be communicated effectively and b) that the violations for breaking that rule be also clear.  I wouldn't tell anyone asking that the rule on the c-word be communicated clearly "how hard is it to not use a slur", because that's not the point.

For instance, as of writing this I had no idea before reading this thread, because.... well, I didn't see any new post anywhere. After people here mentioned it I thought it would be added to the sticky thread about the Hogwarts ban so I tried to look there... but, strangely, that thread is no longer sticky!

So I had to search for it. I searched for "hogwarts" in the search bar, but the Era search is very poor, and isn't even suggesting any thread in the autocomplete, let alone that sticky thread. I had to click "search titles only" and finally found it, only to see that the post was not updated anyway.

So I came back here and read a few more posts,  then saw someone in this very thread said (without linking the post... :P) that the rule update is in the "locked thread about the TV show", so I searched for "Harry Potter HBO", I clicked the first link thinking that was it, but it was actually an old thread, so I had to search again until I got the right one. Then I finally saw Alice's post, and while it's at least pretty clear about what does get banned, it does not explain the consequences of breaking the rule -- and of course it's not broadcast anywhere. Considering it's a rule that can easily be accidentally broken by regular users considering how buried the announcement is, the questions raised here seem... fair?

It's not like anyone here wants to deliberately break it or are asking because they want to try and find loopholes; it's simply not unreasonable to expect communications of rule changes in general. This is also not the first time many users have requested this for all sorts of rules update as well.  Right now, I can think of several topics that are banned (partially or completely) and the FAQ does not mention those policies nor has there been any site-wide announcement via alerts or banners: crypto/NFTs, Hogwarts (and now Harry Potter), the c-word, demanding topics or sources to be banned, on top of my head.

I posted about this back in February:

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They deploy site banners (such as the GOTY threads etc.) all the time to broadcast and communicate updates to members. Using this tool to say "we updated the ToS to add and/or adjust some of the rules, see here [link] for more details" should be a no-brainer.
It could have been done for the Hogwart policy, the "cunt" usage policy, and the policy of making it an infraction to demand bans on games or content creators (which, I support! but like, make it officially known before you start banning people for it, you know?), among other things. I was waiting for it to happen and I was sure they were just tied up and that it was coming any day now, but since it's been a month since the Hogwart policy thread was posted and it still hasn't been added to the banned game list in the FAQ nor any such site-wide alert has been posted, well, I wonder.

So, basically... I have to agree with this:
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If Nepenthe and Hecht are too busy to update the rule page then please assign the job to another moderator.

(it is kind of weird that Morrigan pretends to not kow staff wants the forum to run on vibes and doesn't want to write anything down and draw attention to it so they can't be expected to apply the rules in ways they don't want; doing a full blanket HP ban in a documented way would inevitably conflict with the anti-JK thread, so if they just don't write anything down they can ignore it.)

Someone just needs to state the obvious and say the mods are purposely making the rules hard to track and follow. Refute their "We're scared for our safety so we need to obfuscate plain rules" BS. It'll probably get them thread-banned (at the very least), but it'll finally be said what they are all are likely thinking.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47261 on: April 11, 2023, 05:36:02 PM »
I actually really like the conspiracy theory that they're doing it to hide it from MOBA, who are looking to promote discussion and growth rather than neuter it

just have a bunch of unstated rules that would take a clueless Swedish holdings manager several days of in-depth investigation to uncover

:trumps
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47262 on: April 11, 2023, 05:38:38 PM »
I imagine that a company called MOBA is not the most competent regarding management of their communities.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47263 on: April 11, 2023, 05:58:39 PM »
In which Morrigan again registers her discontent with current moderation communication, despite B-dubs safety concerns:
Quote from: PlanetSmasher
I think at this point the safest thing folks can do is just not talk about Harry Potter. No positive discussions, no hype threads, no critical discussions. Just...don't bring it up. Boom, you're completely safe.
Quote from: ClickyCal'
How hard is it to not talk about a series?
Quote from: Plinkerton
Thanks mods for taking continued action on this. Fully agree with the ban being in place. Although I agree it could do with being signposted a bit better.

Quote from: Kinthey
Should probably also clarify how exactly the ban works. One mod mentioned that any thread about HP would get locked however the Hogwarts legacy ban was much more severe with anyone who even mentioned the game getting banned for a month.
I don't know if more clarity is needed; just don't talk about the subject. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

Members arguing that they don't want to have the rules clarified is a whole new level of pathetic I couldn't imagine before

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47264 on: April 11, 2023, 06:15:23 PM »
How are they taking it that Nintendo is pulling a :cruise on that box office?

Good, actually, remember that that there is a lot of Nintendrones at the site. Cerium used to be a big one.
The civil war will start if the 'big' Marvel projects like GOTG3 and Ze Marvels bomb too.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47265 on: April 11, 2023, 06:17:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-2#post-103988789

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Let's wait until companies like Disney / Marvel uses AI content for their movies or whatever else. Because the real "amusing" part will be to see people trying to find a loophole to keep supporting what they enjoy (Because let's face it, it's easy to boycott things when you don't care about them.)
:hesright
 

imagining thinking ilm didn't use ai creative tools for their third act fight scenes filled with generic mobs.... in everything

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47266 on: April 11, 2023, 06:20:06 PM »
Jessi neither banned nor warned after doing something other people were banned for. The hostility also goes completely unchecked

https://www.resetera.com/threads/david-liu-chemist-%E2%80%98we-now-have-the-technology-to-correct-misspellings-in-our-dna-that-cause-known-genetic-diseases%E2%80%99.707117/post-103950599

Could it be? Could it be that there's a double standard?  :thinking

And the amazing thing is that after this Jessi will still think they're the oppressed minority on the board.


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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47268 on: April 11, 2023, 06:32:49 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-5#post-103999583

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Artists are hilariously entitled thinking their skills inherently deserve monetary compensation. Nothing is stopping you from creating.
:hesright A hit dog hollers.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47269 on: April 11, 2023, 06:38:06 PM »
Jessi neither banned nor warned after doing something other people were banned for. The hostility also goes completely unchecked

https://www.resetera.com/threads/david-liu-chemist-%E2%80%98we-now-have-the-technology-to-correct-misspellings-in-our-dna-that-cause-known-genetic-diseases%E2%80%99.707117/post-103950599

Could it be? Could it be that there's a double standard?  :thinking

And the amazing thing is that after this Jessi will still think they're the oppressed minority on the board.

Lol I love that the mods are afraid to ban them because of the backlash it would create   :forspoken

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47270 on: April 11, 2023, 06:44:11 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-is-already-taking-video-game-illustrators-jobs-in-china-tencent-mihoyo-netease.707330/

these apocalyptic comments, I can't :dead

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Humanity lost

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Bleak

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This is scary stuff :O

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All of this is so bleak. Stop.

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Trying so hard to find a silver lining in the AIpocalypse.

labor is worth what people are willing to pay for it

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed plant texture that ended up in the background that few people even noticed, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47271 on: April 11, 2023, 06:54:23 PM »
Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

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Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   ::)

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47272 on: April 11, 2023, 07:00:10 PM »
Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

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Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   ::)

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed promotional poster that a few thousand hardcore fans see on social media and doesn't even make it into the game, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job
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« Reply #47273 on: April 11, 2023, 07:00:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai-is-already-taking-video-game-illustrators-jobs-in-china-tencent-mihoyo-netease.707330/

these apocalyptic comments, I can't :dead

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Humanity lost

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Bleak

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This is scary stuff :O

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All of this is so bleak. Stop.

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Trying so hard to find a silver lining in the AIpocalypse.

labor is worth what people are willing to pay for it

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed plant texture that ended up in the background that few people even noticed, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job
China with the most extensive surveillance operation in the entirety of humanity, implementing an actual state-sponsored genocide and oppressing any thoughts about democratic freedoms is fine, but using AI for shitty gatcha and child porn adjacent vidya and that's a step too far for humanity.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47274 on: April 11, 2023, 07:06:05 PM »
Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

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Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   ::)

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed promotional poster that a few thousand hardcore fans see on social media and doesn't even make it into the game, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job

 ::)

I really wish you think hard enough of what you wrote, and don’t go with the self indulgent argument of “progress” and “industrial revolution”

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47275 on: April 11, 2023, 07:15:39 PM »
Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

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Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   ::)

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed promotional poster that a few thousand hardcore fans see on social media and doesn't even make it into the game, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job

 ::)

I really wish you think hard enough of what you wrote, and don’t go with the self indulgent argument of “progress” and “industrial revolution”

just because you have heard an argument before does not reduce its accuracy or efficacy

it's like saying "bOtH sIdEs," when the answer is, YES, of course both sides do heinous shit, mocking the phrase because you've heard it before doesn't make it wrong
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47276 on: April 11, 2023, 07:15:58 PM »
Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

Quote
Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   ::)

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed promotional poster that a few thousand hardcore fans see on social media and doesn't even make it into the game, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job

 ::)

I really wish you think hard enough of what you wrote, and don’t go with the self indulgent argument of “progress” and “industrial revolution”
Will anyone shed a tear for the poor medical practitioners when we build automatic medical diagnostic and treatment machines like in Star Trek or The Expanse? Or will we expect those people to just retrain and focus on research?

No one laments the loss of thousands of lamplighter jobs with the advent of electric street lights.


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« Reply #47277 on: April 11, 2023, 07:17:49 PM »
edit lamplighter porn into your TOTP :bolo
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47278 on: April 11, 2023, 07:19:27 PM »
edit lamplighter porn into your TOTP :bolo
I'm looking as we speak
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #47279 on: April 11, 2023, 07:24:11 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-5#post-103999583

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Artists are hilariously entitled thinking their skills inherently deserve monetary compensation. Nothing is stopping you from creating.
:hesright A hit dog hollers.
literally couldn't think of any sensible reason to ban this person so nepenthe just threw a bunch of words together. she's such a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.