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[Boredfrom]

Uncle, my dude, is China. They are already underpaying them.

Lets not pretend...

Also:

Freelance illustrator Amber Yu used to make 3,000 to 7,000 yuan ($430 to $1,000) for every video game poster she drew. Making the promotional posters, published on social media to attract players and introduce new features, was skill-intensive and time-consuming. Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

This is not texture work.   

if it used to take 10,000 hours to draw a detailed promotional poster that a few thousand hardcore fans see on social media and doesn't even make it into the game, and now it takes 10 seconds, yes my dude you are out of a job

 

I really wish you think hard enough of what you wrote, and don’t go with the self indulgent argument of “progress” and “industrial revolution”

just because you have heard an argument before does not reduce its accuracy or efficacy

it's like saying "bOtH sIdEs," when the answer is, YES, of course both sides do heinous shit, mocking the phrase because you've heard it before doesn't make it wrong

I mocking the phrase because I thought people here were way more aware how the idea of “progress” can justify heinous and stupid shit. Yes, in this case also it counts both sides given how RE is a self proclaimed progressive forum.

If this was limited to grunt work (textures) way less people will get mad about. But is not, and you know a random corpo executive will say that random piece of art is good enough for promotional art even if it has seven fingers and a nipple in the belly button.

Will anyone shed a tear for the poor medical practitioners when we build automatic medical diagnostic and treatment machines like in Star Trek or The Expanse? Or will we expect those people to just retrain and focus on research?

No one laments the loss of thousands of lamplighter jobs with the advent of electric street lights.

 

You just compared a Chinese gacha game trying to not pay artists with medical advances…

You are smarter than this, Potato.

[Uncle]

I mocking the phrase because I thought people here were way more aware how the idea of “progress” can justify heinous and stupid shit. Yes, in this case also it counts both sides given how RE is a self proclaimed progressive forum.

If this was limited to grunt work (textures) way less people will get mad about. But is not, and you know a random corpo executive will say that random piece of art is good enough even if it has seven fingers and a nipple in the belly button.

and it will all shake out in the market, if characters have seven fingers and players notice and refuse to pay for that shit, then authentic art will continue to sell the best

if the fact that all AI art is composed from some root database of existing art and eventually it all ends up feeling samey and derivative, and handcrafted stuff continues to stand out, then that may continue to sell the best

but if you can provide a product of equivalent value that everyone is happy with, then what's the problem?

[Boredfrom]

I mocking the phrase because I thought people here were way more aware how the idea of “progress” can justify heinous and stupid shit. Yes, in this case also it counts both sides given how RE is a self proclaimed progressive forum.

If this was limited to grunt work (textures) way less people will get mad about. But is not, and you know a random corpo executive will say that random piece of art is good enough even if it has seven fingers and a nipple in the belly button.

and it will all shake out in the market, if characters have seven fingers and players notice and refuse to pay for that shit, then authentic art will continue to sell the best

if the fact that all AI art is composed from some root database of existing art and eventually it all ends up feeling samey and derivative, and handcrafted stuff continues to stand out, then that may continue to sell the best

but if you can provide a product of equivalent value that everyone is happy with, then what's the problem?

Well, many people don’t seem particularly happy about it, if the bitching in art communities is anything to go by.

Also, is kind of laughable that you are arguing that “capitalism working as intended” when the article was from companies from China.  And last time I checked, no everyone is happy about China’s manufacture practices either. 

That’s why I told you that “let’s not pretend” with China companies using it as some sort of positive barometer and the market working.

[Propagandhim]

This is a good opportunity for artists to learn how to animate, because AI will struggle with that for awhile. 

[Boredfrom]

This is a good opportunity for artists to learn how to animate, because AI will struggle with that for awhile.

Many already do, my dude.

You guys thinking everyone in the art community are lazy fucks like Nepenthe because… (?)

[Uncle]

Well, many people don’t seem particularly happy about it, if the bitching in art communities is anything to go by.

then they won't buy it!

[Propagandhim]

This is a good opportunity for artists to learn how to animate, because AI will struggle with that for awhile.

Many already do, my dude.

You guys thinking everyone in the art community are lazy fucks like Nepenthe because… (?)

None of the AI i've seen can do good animation.
I'm not saying artists are lazy, but they seem extremely entitled.  If you can't do something useful for someone else, your labor won't have any value.  It doesn't get simpler than that.  There's nothing magical about art work, it's a job like anything else.  I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out or roofers competing with cheap labor from unskilled immigration coming in.  If you have a unique artistic style that can't be emulated by an AI, and you can produce it in ways that an AI can't do, then you will be paid for it.  If you can't, there is no real reason why you magically deserve to make a living from your art.  Historically, there was no precedent for people making a living from say, music, in ancient times.  They did it because it was gratifying, but there was no market and medium for an economy for music - being paid for live performances was extremely rare.  People still did it.  This will just have to sort itself out because you really don't have any other options here.  Complaining about AI will do nothing.  You regulate it here, and it will be unregulated in a foreign market that wants to get the upperhand.  We have to figure out how to organize ourselves around it now, and we can.

[Greatness Gone]

king of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, slayven, annoyed at children screaming at a showing of MARIO

https://www.resetera.com/threads/desperate-for-profits-and-souring-on-streaming-hollywood-falls-back-in-love-with-movie-theaters.707543/#post-104005757

I paid 9 bucks for  16 ounce slurpee last week, only to have a kid next to me yell into my ear for 90 minutes. I am good, I can wait at home with my Tubi

[Boredfrom]

This is a good opportunity for artists to learn how to animate, because AI will struggle with that for awhile.

Many already do, my dude.

You guys thinking everyone in the art community are lazy fucks like Nepenthe because… (?)

None of the AI i've seen can do good animation.
I'm not saying artists are lazy, but they seem extremely entitled.  If you can't do something useful for someone else, your labor won't have any value.  It doesn't get simpler than that.  There's nothing magical about art work, it's a job like anything else.  I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out or roofers competing with cheap labor from unskilled immigration coming in.  If you have a unique artistic style that can't be emulated by an AI, and you can produce it in ways that an AI can't do, then you will be paid for it.  If you can't, there is no real reason why you magically deserve to make a living from your art.  Historically, there was no precedent for people making music from say, music, in ancient times.  They did it because it was gratifying, but there was no market and medium for an economy for music - being paid for live performances was extremely rare.  People still did it.  This will just have to sort itself out because you really don't have any other options here.  Complaining about AI will do nothing.  You regulate it here, and it will be unregulated in a foreign market that wants to get the upperhand.  We have to figure out how to organize ourselves around it now, and we can.

 

https://artuk.org/visit/venues/national-coal-mining-museum-for-england-3478

You guys… pls stop.

[Propagandhim]

Do you really think artwork about unregulated coal mining in the early 1900s is really getting to the point here?

[Boredfrom]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germinal_(novel)

Germinal is the thirteenth novel in Émile Zola's twenty-volume series Les Rougon-Macquart. Often considered Zola's masterpiece and one of the most significant novels in the French tradition, the novel – an uncompromisingly harsh and realistic story of a coalminers' strike in northern France in the 1860s – has been published and translated in over one hundred countries. It has also inspired five film adaptations and two television productions.

[Propagandhim]

The point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

[Boredfrom]

Do you really think artwork about unregulated coal mining in the early 1000s is really getting to the point here?

I thought you were saying that artists don’t complain about perceived unjust societal changes if they are not from their community (something that is totally false).

[Propagandhim]

It was more that artists represent a kind of entitled 'high-skilled' labor force that thought they were above the "they took our jerbs"-type of workers.  And now, "they took our jerbs" is no longer a funny line to them.  I'm not saying nobody made or will make art about the struggles of society.

[Boredfrom]

he point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

The why singling out artists:

I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out

Of course society at large doesn’t give a fuck, like a ton of awful corpo practices. I’m not going to pretend I do that much either…

But to me is really gross to try to justify it with “is progress like street lamps” because people here have low opinion of artists.

I’m not going into rare minerals threads and just say “those child slaves have it coming” because I like my IPhone (neither go “you fucking monsters with your phones”). The world is more complicated than that.

[Uncle]

the most recent major change I can think of was print media to internet, which has saved tons of trees and carbon emissions of trucks delivering pallets of magazines/newspapers etc.

we still have some print media because some people hate reading from screens or just like holding a nice physical magazine

news organizations have had to pivot or die, but again, is that really a big concern with all the conveniences and benefits the change to the industry has brought us?

because people here have low opinion of artists

this is disingenuous, I'm an artist (no not a self-proclaimed AI artist though I've done that too)

I have a high opinion of awesome technology, progress, accessibility, less waste, etc. etc.

[Boredfrom]

It was more that artists represent a kind of entitled 'high-skilled' labor force that thought they were above the "they took our jerbs"-type of workers.  And now, "they took our jerbs" is no longer a funny line to them.  I'm not saying nobody made or will make art about the struggles of society.

You think they every single artist are clueless trust fund babies?  Yes, there is a lot of assholes like that, like there is a lot of coders without any social skills or drunkard blue collar workers.

[Propagandhim]

No, and my personal opinion about anyone's job is irrelevant.  AI is coming, we gotta figure out how to organize our life around it.  I happen to have a very high opinion of people in creative work.  I personally am an artist myself.  I don't exactly create or edit cum compilation videos, but i DO curate them.

[Boredfrom]

the most recent major change I can think of was print media to internet, which has saved tons of trees and carbon emissions of trucks delivering pallets of magazines/newspapers etc.

we still have some print media because some people hate reading from screens or just like holding a nice physical magazine

news organizations have had to pivot or die, but again, is that really a big concern with all the conveniences and benefits the change to the industry has brought us?

What it has to do with a Chinese company trying to not pay artists for their waifu gacha games whose server energy usage are also killing the environment?

Like I said before, I’m not against AI. I’m against pretending that there is not legit concerns, that artists are entitled or that “progress” isn’t used to justify the dismissal of this concerns.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-ends-covid-emergency-declaration.707375/page-6#post-104006699

Quite the opposite; I’m just a normal, well-adjusted human being with a reasonable sense of risk around COVID. Nothing special, even if it seems out of place from where you’re standing.

Normal, well-adjusted human beings don't start shit in a video game forum.

 

[Boredfrom]

because people here have low opinion of artists

this is disingenuous, I'm an artist (no not a self-proclaimed AI artist though I've done that too)

I have a high opinion of awesome technology, progress, accessibility, less waste, etc. etc.

That is fair. But I have low opinion about the people pushing this technology (even if is awesome and world changing).

For example: I can admit that Musk did awesome stuff with SpaceX but also have the opinion that he currently acts like a clueless cunt.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

All those A.I. doom threads and Crossing eden is still banned, what a waste.

[clothedmacuser]

The point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

Most notably Era telling coal miners to simply leave their communities and learn to code

[Uncle]

"trump isn't going to single-handedly save your industry, cry more rust belt"

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

Why is this written like some struggle?

That's the fucking job. Lol.

[Boredfrom]

Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

Why is this written like some struggle?

That's the fucking job. Lol.

Wah?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

Why is this written like some struggle?

That's the fucking job. Lol.

Wah?

She's a free lance illustrator right?

[Potato]

The point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

#learntocode will never not be funny now that rudimentary coding and game dev grunt work can be automated easily.

The people who were most vocal are the ones crying foul now.

[Uncle]

people #learned2code too well and invented AI that would code for them

[Potato]

he point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

The why singling out artists:

I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out

Of course society at large doesn’t give a fuck, like a ton of awful corpo practices. I’m not going to pretend I do that much either…

But to me is really gross to try to justify it with “is progress like street lamps” because people here have low opinion of artists.

I’m not going into rare minerals threads and just say “those child slaves have it coming” because I like my IPhone (neither go “you fucking monsters with your phones”). The world is more complicated than that.

I don't have a low opinion of artists. Quite the opposite really.

However, to use one of the earlier examples, I do not consider someone making low res background textures an "artist". They're the artistic equivalent of a production line worker.

For example, I can buy a kitchen knife from a factory production line or I can buy a custom made knife from an artisan knifemaker. The person running the production line and the person running the forge are not the same. If the factory automates its line and that person loses their job, that's sad for that person, but nothing of artistic value was lost.


Edit: Certain aspects of my own industry are somewhat under threat from AI, but that's what happens. People who write clickbait listicles and SEO bait will likely have some or all of their work taken by AI generated content production. However, the higher value work that I generally do in my job will be much more difficult, if not impossible, to replace.

[Boredfrom]

he point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

The why singling out artists:

I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out

Of course society at large doesn’t give a fuck, like a ton of awful corpo practices. I’m not going to pretend I do that much either…

But to me is really gross to try to justify it with “is progress like street lamps” because people here have low opinion of artists.

I’m not going into rare minerals threads and just say “those child slaves have it coming” because I like my IPhone (neither go “you fucking monsters with your phones”). The world is more complicated than that.

I don't have a low opinion of artists. Quite the opposite really.

However, to use one of the earlier examples, I do not consider someone making low res background textures an "artist". They're the artistic equivalent of a production line worker.

For example, I can buy a kitchen knife from a factory production line or I can buy a custom made knife from an artisan knifemaker. The person running the production line and the person running the forge are not the same. If the factory automates its line and that person loses their job, that's sad for that person, but nothing of artistic value was lost.


Edit: Certain aspects of my own industry are somewhat under threat from AI, but that's what happens. People who write clickbait listicles and SEO bait will likely have some or all of their work taken by AI generated content production. However, the higher value work that I generally do in my job will be much more difficult, if not impossible, to replace.

Yeah, but the example that was talked in the actual article is as from a freelancer artist making a promotional poster. That was not grunt work.

[Potato]

Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

Why is this written like some struggle?

That's the fucking job. Lol.

Wah?

I concur. Why is this written as if generating that poster was some massive onerous task? It's what the job entails and everyone who does that type of work has to do it. If anything, it's an endorsement of AI being used as it would potentially make her more efficient.

Instead of whining about it, maybe she should use AI to generate a base image and then use her skills to add value on top?

So instead of a poster taking a week of labour, it could be reduced to a couple of days.

But this gets to the real issue. It's a demand problem. They are worried there isn't enough demand for their work to sustain themselves, which history shows is a very naive take and usually wrong.

[Uncle]

also, AI is usable at every level of art to different degrees

a traditional artist who is good at what they do and isn't being replaced by AI can use AI to get a bunch of quick thumbnail poses and compositions which they can develop into a complete work

you could use it to apply effects to a finished piece, like shaders or filters are applied in video games

if you don't like how some small thing turned out, you can use inpainting to quickly change it and try different variations

it's not all-or-nothing

[Boredfrom]

Once, she spent an entire week completing one illustration of a woman dressed in traditional Chinese attire performing a lion dance — first making a sketch on Adobe Photoshop, then carefully refining the outlines and adding colors.

Why is this written like some struggle?

That's the fucking job. Lol.

Wah?

I concur. Why is this written as if generating that poster was some massive onerous task? It's what the job entails and everyone who does that type of work has to do it. If anything, it's an endorsement of AI being used as it would potentially make her more efficient.

Instead of whining about it, maybe she should use AI to generate a base image and then use her skills to add value on top?

So instead of a poster taking a week of labour, it could be reduced to a couple of days.

But this gets to the real issue. It's a demand problem. They are worried there isn't enough demand for their work to sustain themselves, which history shows is a very naive take and usually wrong.

I guess you never get tired in your work even if you enjoy it. Not mention is from the point of the reporter not the artist themselves saying “I hate working”.

also, AI is usable at every level of art to different degrees

a traditional artist who is good at what they do and isn't being replaced by AI can use AI to get a bunch of quick thumbnail poses and compositions which they can develop into a complete work

you could use it to apply effects to a finished piece, like shaders or filters are applied in video games

if you don't like how some small thing turned out, you can use inpainting to quickly change it and try different variations

it's not all-or-nothing

The article just told you it did because China doesn’t give a fuck. Not discussing you that isn’t an all or nothing situation, but YOU GUYS TALK LIKE ITS IS when you are dismissive of complains or worries.

[Uncle]

that's the second time you've characterized the problem as user banned (5 weeks): dismissing concerns 

everything is a spectrum and arguing in favor of something isn't automatically a problematic dismissal of its inverse

I support the ability to wield rhetoric to downplay when it is reasonable and sensible

[BIONIC]

AI careposting 

[Boredfrom]

that's the second time you've characterized the problem as user banned (5 weeks): dismissing concerns 

everything is a spectrum and arguing in favor of something isn't automatically a problematic dismissal of its inverse

I support the ability to wield rhetoric to downplay when it is reasonable and sensible

Yeah and people don’t get banned here for “dismissing concerns”. So what is the problem that I don’t like how absolutely dismissive you guys sound when talking about this. I fucking hate care posting about AI and I was regretting posting the Donald Glover thread, but I needed to carepost when you outright was dismissing people not being thrilled of Chinese companies using AI to not pay their employees and somehow like working as intended.

[Switters]

I don't give a fuck. I just want an AI simulacrum of Holly Hendrix holographically projected into the passenger seat of my Mini Cooper and telling me I need to get my brake pads checked.

[Tuckers Law]

Pogi is not going to be thrilled when he sees you all stealing his carepost valor

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dumb-question-what-is-concern-trolling.707171/

For context I was on the SBF subreddit and found out that Pat from pat stares at wife is pregnant. His wife is very open about her health issues so I simply wished her a safe pregnancy considering. then shortly after I post I instantly got perma-ban for concern trolling. So I was like WTF is concern trolling ?

Joined
Oct 25, 2017

Man ain't slick

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-stephanie-sterling-thank-god-for-ot-latest-episode-i-made-steams-most-unlikable-developer-really-really-mad.279704/page-43#post-103991018

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory misrepresentation of another user

Cool, agree to disagree. Glad I can post a dissenting opinion in here without ad hominem lmao

I mean your point is basically that you don't care about disabled people...

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-ends-covid-emergency-declaration.707375/page-4#post-103986257

User Banned (3 Days): Trolling over a series of posts

We get it, COVID can’t touch you, you’re very cool and we’re all impressed.

Quite the opposite; I’m just a normal, well-adjusted human being with a reasonable sense of risk around COVID. Nothing special, even if it seems out of place from where you’re standing.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-thinks-one-piece-is-socialist.706469/page-3#post-103872770

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing Concerns of Transphobia

(Image removed from quote.)
Not really surprising that One Piece fits into Hasan's idea of progressive tbh.

It is Oda's SBS. He uses it to make dump jokes all the time. This is clearly him making fun of himself.

(Image removed from quote.)
I would not be caught dead watching this shit as a trans person.

I am not a trans person, so my opinion means nothing. Still in One Piece rarely anybody gets away and not get some goofy aspect. But the overall characterization and story of trans people in the series is extremely positive. They are mainly portrayed as friendly, loyal, strong, open-minded, heroic and rebellious. Only one trans person was ever on the villain side, but he actually became friends with the Straw Hats immediately, is well liked by fans and in a later arc helped Luffy through (almost literally) hell.
So yes the drawings don't show it, but the subtext is extremely positive.

[jorma]

he point was that people were fine with people being phased out of the work force for different kinds of labor up until recently, but have a different standard now when it comes to their jobs...

The point was not that artists didn't depict the struggles of coal miners in the early 1900s...   

The why singling out artists:

I don't remember artists lamenting coal miners being phased out

Of course society at large doesn’t give a fuck, like a ton of awful corpo practices. I’m not going to pretend I do that much either…

But to me is really gross to try to justify it with “is progress like street lamps” because people here have low opinion of artists.

I’m not going into rare minerals threads and just say “those child slaves have it coming” because I like my IPhone (neither go “you fucking monsters with your phones”). The world is more complicated than that.

I don't have a low opinion of artists. Quite the opposite really.

However, to use one of the earlier examples, I do not consider someone making low res background textures an "artist". They're the artistic equivalent of a production line worker.

For example, I can buy a kitchen knife from a factory production line or I can buy a custom made knife from an artisan knifemaker. The person running the production line and the person running the forge are not the same. If the factory automates its line and that person loses their job, that's sad for that person, but nothing of artistic value was lost.


Edit: Certain aspects of my own industry are somewhat under threat from AI, but that's what happens. People who write clickbait listicles and SEO bait will likely have some or all of their work taken by AI generated content production. However, the higher value work that I generally do in my job will be much more difficult, if not impossible, to replace.

Yeah, but the example that was talked in the actual article is as from a freelancer artist making a promotional poster. That was not grunt work.

What is your position on something like the Unity engine? A powerful tool that allows two devs to create a game like Valheim, where that previously was a 100 man effort, thus rendering 98 devs out of a jerb?

Personally i'm looking forward to the good shit we might get out of animation when a two hour movie won't require a disney budget.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The racism is off the charts. Yes, but we white people, we are civilised and aren't poor. So we shouldn't be homophobic!

No one tell him that homophobia got exported from european ancestor/christian majority countries to developing countries.

...why would someone tell 'him' an obvious lie / propaganda?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

What the actual fuck who are these 'academics'

 

How the fuck do you get triggered by the suggestion that data suggesting people who can't read / speak english very well are 5 times more likely to be transgender might be a sampling error in a written form only available in english

[BIONIC]

Messy implying that Islam is accepting of homosexuality is quite something.

Then again, I’m not sure I should’ve expected better from someone who claims to be an ultra feminist after he got his parents to buy him a wife.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I guess Kyuji should be adding "Manipulating Census Data" to their list of six impossible things to believe in before breakfast things reasonable people can't possible hold jkr responsible for

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Messy implying that Islam is accepting of homosexuality is quite something.

Maybe there are some old paintings of mohammed jacking a dude off while fingering his taint to add some historical credence that for some unknowable reason he can't post anywhere

[joeboy101]

Messy implying that Islam is accepting of homosexuality is quite something.

Maybe there are some old paintings of mohammed jacking a dude off while fingering his taint to add some historical credence that for some unknowable reason he can't post anywhere

This is the post that will get you beheaded.

 

[NekoFever]

What the actual fuck who are these 'academics'

 

How the fuck do you get triggered by the suggestion that data suggesting people who can't read / speak english very well are 5 times more likely to be transgender might be a sampling error in a written form only available in english

From the original article:

In January the ONS produced figures showing that there were 262,000 people — or 0.5 per cent of the population over the age of 16 — who declared themselves transgender. The results were taken from answers to the latest census in 2021, which is produced every ten years and explored gender identity for the first time that year.

Of the 262,000 people who said they were transgender, 118,000 did not provide further details. About 48,000, or 0.1 per cent of the population aged 16 and over, identified as a trans man, and 48,000 identified as a trans woman. Thirty-thousand people identified as non-binary, while a further 18,000 wrote down a different gender identity.

However, other data from the ONS released last week showed that those who speak English “not well” or “not well at all” were most likely to be counted as transgender, at 2.2 per cent. This compared with 0.4 per cent of those whose main language is English or Welsh — making those who speak English poorly five times more likely to be transgender.

Adults whose main language is not English made up 10 per cent of the overall population but, according to the census, they contributed 29 per cent of the transgender numbers. The census results also show that one in 67 Muslims is transgender, a figure Biggs claims is “not plausible”.

Dude just says that perhaps the question "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" (the wording chosen by Stonewall, ahead of simpler alternatives such as "are you transgender?") might be confusing to someone who isn't fluent in English and the anomalously high numbers from areas with high immigrant populations seem to suggest this, but no, that's genocide

[Uncle]

What the actual fuck who are these 'academics'

 

How the fuck do you get triggered by the suggestion that data suggesting people who can't read / speak english very well are 5 times more likely to be transgender might be a sampling error in a written form only available in english

whoa I had just seen an article on this the other day

the census question wasn't simple like "are you transgender," it asked something convoluted, "is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth"

plenty of non-english-speaking immigrants didn't even have birth records or a gender recorded at birth, and they may have thought the question was somehow related to that

as a non-UK person I'm not well informed on the landscape there, but apparently Brighton is somewhat of a progressive mecca, known for trans/LGBT pride events, but it was beaten in its supposed trans population results by Newham...a borough full of ESL immigrants

craziest thing was that muslims were three times as likely as the non-religious to identify as transgender

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

craziest thing was that muslims were three times as likely as the non-religious to identify as transgender

welp, I take it back, mohammed as gay icon confirmed, looking forward to seeing images of him with a rainbow background next Pride

shit, messyeggo, nows your chance, start the trend with your new avatar!

[Snoopycat_]

It's wild seeing these white collar workers thinking they can just waltz into construction -

I guess working construction will be fine..... hahhaa...haha..ha....fuck.

Maybe I should take up welding or something similar.

They have no trade. No experience. The reality is they'd be competing against school leavers for the type of work available to them.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/donald-glover-faces-backlash-for-hiring-ai-prompt-engineers-and-artists-rather-than-actual-engineers-and-artists.707420/page-7

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This tweet in particular makes me wonder what Cenk’s ERA user handle is?

If anyone was foolhardy enough to post that maybe turning sympathy into apathy or antipathy is counter productive, their username would be [Deleted User 73907560] after the Discord coordinated mass reporting

[Uncle]

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1645869927038062592

No, it's not. If left-wing politicians use language that is greatly alienating to the majority of voters, then Republicans win elections. And then they pass laws against trans people!! You're hurting your own cause. We want to protect trans rights, we want to fight against bigoted laws. Instead you all are fighting on losing ground for no reason! You keep saying that no one uses these terms and then turn around and say politicians should use them. Which one is it?

 

[joeboy101]

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1645869927038062592

No, it's not. If left-wing politicians use language that is greatly alienating to the majority of voters, then Republicans win elections. And then they pass laws against trans people!! You're hurting your own cause. We want to protect trans rights, we want to fight against bigoted laws. Instead you all are fighting on losing ground for no reason! You keep saying that no one uses these terms and then turn around and say politicians should use them. Which one is it?

 

“Do we suggest we leave trans men out when it comes to legislation on abortion rights?”

God-fucking-dammit! Is a female-to-male transgender a male or not? You tell me, Terminally Online. You say they are man, and now here want to give them their own special category of pseudo-man who should be considered male at all times, except when they are carrying a baby?

Are they a fucking man or not? Yes? Then they get as much word on abortion rights as other men do. There you fucking go, equality.
Are they a trans-man? Fine. They can have say, but don’t bitch about being treated differently than other men when differential treatment is EXACTLY what you are asking for.

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

this site seems to hate Elon and Twitter, yet most threads are filled to the brim with tweets. Time to start following NPR’s lead.

WHAT WOULD NPR DO

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Do they have a Mastodon account?

 

[benjipwns]

moblin not liking this post is genocide

As a master of a like format you have to pick up on his nuances, if moblin doesn't like your post if may be that he's trying to send you a message about something you've done somewhere that you need to reevaluate your life about. While others may just like something because it made them laugh, moblin understands the potential of social change embedded in each like and therefore allows the spirit of the Dao to direct his likes where they can deliver impact in moving us all towards spiritual enlightenment.