in any argument, fundamentally you have to find a point where there's some common ground, or where one person might concede that under
these specific circumstances, the other might have a point (whether those circumstances currently exist or not)
otherwise you're just shouting at each other in bad faith, never intending to budge from your beliefs, or fighting tooth and nail at every claim made by the other side because you're so over-committed in your own position
when you say:
You ignore alternative easy explanations when they fit the narrative you want.
recognize that most people have a tendency to do this, and in nearly every argument you will see downplaying of things that don't match your narrative and over-emphasis of things that communicate your intended point
when I ask this:
what suddenly crosses the line into valid for you? is there any situation in which you would say "you know what, given the evidence presented by nintex, I think he might be on to something here, there's a pretty clear pattern and strong parallels in various industries"
is there any situation in which you would ever consider a game or piece of media "woke" to its own detriment? whether that means focusing on diversity as a foundational principle rather than story or entertainment, or if it means trying too hard and tripping over itself into accidentally-offensive territory, or becoming hostile to its own audience, etc.?
it isn't some attempt to score some minor rhetorical point, it's just in the hopes of learning if discussion is valuable at all
if your position is that nothing "woke" has ever been bad, or it's impossible for it to contribute to failings of a product or company, then downplaying the claims even IF they are nonsense rings a bit hollow
but if all you're saying is "these particular examples are shit," then that's respectable
and furthering that point, it's helpful if there IS a good example that's the exception that proves the rule, like I dunno I can't put words in your mouth
"the last few seasons of Dr. Who have really suffered for it, but that's not evidence of a widespread trend"
"yeah looking at Battlefield V broadly as a postmortem, the attitude the company took toward its fans may have been a misstep, even though it was plagued by other issues it's never helpful to add another cherry on top by telling people not to buy your game"
anything
