Elon Bought Twitter- X GON GIVE IT TO YA

[Tasty]

Had no idea about half this shit, and I was all over TechCrunch and Valleywag while this was going on. Maybe it's good Musk drained the swamp.

[Uncle]

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1597569117225365504

 

like these other classics?

https://twitter.com/glennbeckraped/status/3859419091

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/920711972857024517

[HaughtyFrank]

[BIONIC]

[Nintex]

That gun is from Deus Ex, she wouldn't get it

Anyhow the EUSSR is coming after Elon next.
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1598011275157843968

[Occam]

Not exactly news, Musky was fine with it back in May.
https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1585902196864045056

Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.

[Kurt Russell]

Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.

Does this mean they should enforce mandatory content moderation on spastadon too?

[Tasty]

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/how-secure-a-twitter-replacement-is-mastodon-let-us-count-the-ways/

What’s more, Mastodon software has no auto-update or even update-availability feature.

“You have to check the GitHub releases, personally,” Lendvay said. “I try to do that weekly. But for many, I would imagine they would hear through the grapevine. I've seen disparate versions running, so who knows what the consistency will be.”

 

[Pissy F Benny]

But isn't mastadon basically by autistys for autistys

I imagine they'll make it even more obtuse to scare off the normies

[Occam]

Won't somebody think of the boomers? They'll have a hard time running their own mastodon servers! Oh no.

[Tasty]

Sorry but having to remember to check the GitHub every week for new releases and then being forced to manually install them via SFTP or some shit is Just Plain Fucktarded™.

“You have to check the GitHub releases, personally,” Lendvay said. “I try to do that weekly. But for many, I would imagine they would hear through the grapevine. I've seen disparate versions running, so who knows what the consistency will be.”

Other comparable open source software projects mentioned in the article I linked: WordPress has a simple "Install update" prompt (you just have to make sure the directory/file permissions are set to 777 or similar), and it auto-checks for new versions behind the scenes. Discourse has an update checker. Haven't used Nginx so can't comment but if it's a command line program this discussion isn't really applicable.

[Occam]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how this very forum is updated.

[Tasty]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how this very forum is updated.

I've gone at length several times on how I think the technical administration of this very forum is Just Plain Fucktarded™. So you're really only proving my point. My extensions wouldn't have to be extensions if it wasn't.

Also this forum software (SimpleMachinesForum) had a grand total of 3 software releases this year. A little easier to keep up with than every single week, with active exploits in the wild and a growing userbase of normies who just want shit to work.

[james]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how this very forum is updated.

SMF 2.0.19 Released
December 21, 2021, 04:44:51 PM

[Occam]

You could simply run a python script that automatically checks github for updates.

By the way, I am not disagreeing, of course that could be automated. But it's not a severe issue.

[Tasty]

And pretty sure before bork(?) updated to that there was an multi-year gap in updates being installed here...

[Occam]

Maybe the influx of new users will lead to more donations and mastodon will be able to afford a few more coders.

[Tasty]

You could simply run a python script that automatically checks github for updates.

By the way, I am not disagreeing, of course that could be automated. But it's not a severe issue.

I think it's the first thing they need to fix, because you don't want to end up in Android Fragmentation Hell where it's 10 years down the line and 60% of Mastodon instances are using pre-auto-update versions. Auto-update wouldn't magically transform the situation into iPhone Update Heaven or anything, but I think it's crucial they cut down on the amount of non-auto-updateable instances ASAP.

[Occam]

By the way, mastodon has reached seven million users two weeks ago. It really just needs some more funding.
I still think the idea behind it is great because it can not be bought, is decentralized and open source. Anyone can contribute and make it better.

[Potato]

Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.

Does this mean they should enforce mandatory content moderation on spastadon too?

You just don't get it, do you?

Mastodon is in opposition to Twitter, so by culture warrior rules, that means they are allies and, as we all know, allies can do no wrong. Therefore, Mastodon, by its nature, is always on the right side of history, regardless of whether its moderation is factually worse than Musk's Twatter.
 

[Potato]

Maybe the influx of new users will lead to more donations and mastodon will be able to afford a few more coders.

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598050795882442752

Tim Apple bends the knee

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1598048008079540224

Karen isn't happy

[Uncle]

well-lit rooms are approved however

[Tasty]

Anyone know if Elon plays JRPGs in there too?

[HaughtyFrank]

Elizabeth Warren says Elon Musk should not be able to go into a "dark room" alone and make decisions.

Honey, dark rooms aren't for being alone 

[Pissy F Benny]

Muskrat turning himself into a celeb is probably his worst move, cuz people are acting like Kris Jenner bought twitter rather than a Jeff Bezos.

[Transhuman]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1598048008079540224

https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

Later in the hearing, attorneys representing the DNC claim that the Democratic National Committee would be well within their rights to “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.”

[Uncle]

relevant to twitter/mastodon shenanigans, I stumbled across a story from 4 years ago:

https://wilwheaton.net/2018/08/the-world-is-a-terrible-place-right-now-and-thats-largely-because-it-is-what-we-make-it/

TLDR:

wil wheaton was so mad at twitter that he left it 4 years ago, went to mastodon, and got so relentlessly abused for his perceived transphobia that he had to leave it too


(side note: wil knew some wonderful people on the inside of twitter who were quietly trying to uh, "fix" it...probably all fired now)

Anyway, enough about how terrible Twitter is. We all know how terrible it is. That’s never going to change, by the way. I know some very good people who are working on making Twitter better, but I honestly don’t think they can overcome the institutional inertia that has allowed it to get to the point its at now. It may get incrementally better, but the fundamental problem of random, mostly-anonymous people being terrible isn’t going to change, because that’s not a Twitter problem. That’s a humanity — and specifically a social media — problem.

his experience at mastodon:

I thought I’d find something different. I thought I’d find a smaller community that was more like Twitter was way back in 2008 or 2009. Cat pictures! Jokes! Links to interesting things that we found in the backwaters of the internet! Interaction with friends we just haven’t met, yet! What I found was … not that.

I found a harsh reality that I’m still trying to process: thousands of people who don’t know me, who have never interacted with me, who internalized a series of lies about me, who were never willing to give me a chance. I was harassed from the minute I made my account, and though I expected the “shut up wesley”s and “go fuck yourself”s to taper off after a day or so, it never did. And even though I never broke any rules on the server I joined (Mastodon is individual “instances” which is like a server, which connects to the “federated timeline”, which is what all the other servers are), one of its admins told me they were suspending my account, because they got 60 (!) reports overnight about my account, and they didn’t want to deal with the drama.

I respect and support that person’s decision, because it’s a private server and it’s run with their time, energy, attention, and (presumably) money. I don’t agree with it at all, and I think it’s deeply unfair, as well as rewarding abuse of a reporting system that’s meant to protect users, but it’s their site and it’s their rules, and I can’t say I blame them. The people going after me were pretty awful, and I can only imagine that an admin would get fed up with them, too.

how was wil transphobic? well, during GAMERGATE he used a poorly-coded block list which also blocked people who were engaging with the GAMERGATORS which included a lot of trans people, so he was inadvertently blocking a lot of trans people

Before I leave, I want to just make something very clear, because I’ve spent most of my life being yelled at by people who don’t know me at all, and I want the record to be clear. 2/x

During GamerGate, I was dogpiled and mobbed and brigaded and attacked by thousands of accounts. I started using a blocklist that was supposed to help stop that. I did not know that the blocklist I signed up for also had a lot of trans women on it. When I found out, I did everything I could to remove those women from the list I shared. When there were still innocents on the list, I stopped sharing the list entirely. Despite this, a mob has decided that I’m anti-trans. 3/x

This lie that I am anti-trans, or anti-LGBQ, is deeply hurtful to me (I know it’s nothing like the pain LGBTQ people deal with every day, as they simply try to *exist* in a world that treats them so badly, but it is still hurtful in its own way to me). I just want to make it extremely clear: that is a lie, and the people spreading it are misinformed.

So I’m leaving the Fediverse, which has treated me with more cruelty, vitriol, hatred, and contempt than than anyone on the birdsite ever did. 4/x

alt-right dogwhistles:

I see this in the online space all the time now: mobs of people, acting in bad faith, can make people they don’t know and will likely never meet miserable, or even try to ruin their lives and careers (look at what they did to James Gunn). And those mobs’ bad behaviors are continually rewarded, because it’s honestly easier to just give them what they want. We are ceding the social space to bad people, because they have the most time, the least morals and ethics, and are skilled at relentlessly attacking and harassing their targets. It only takes few seconds for one person to type “fuck off” and hit send. That person probably doesn’t care and doesn’t think about how their one grain of sand quickly becomes a dune, with another person buried beneath it. That’s a huge problem that seems to be baked into social media, and I tried to mitigate it with a blocklist that I never intended to be problematic, but ultimately was. (And for what it’s worth, the part of me that wants to apologize to the people who ended up on it by mistake is overwhelmed by the part of me who was attacked really viciously by a lot of those people and feels like maybe blocking them wasn’t such a bad idea, after all.)

 

Like, I know that I’m not a transphobe, but holy shit that lie just won’t die, and right now as I am writing this, someone at Mastodon is telling me that I am, because people said so, and I should apologize to them. I mean, how am I supposed to respond to that, when it happens over and over and over again? “You’ve been lied to about me. Please give me a chance” just doesn’t seem like a viable way forward with people who are, for whatever reason, very, very angry. And these people seem to have an idea of me in their head that doesn’t fit with the idea of myself that I have in my head. It’s honestly caused me to rethink a lot of stuff. Like, am I really the terrible person they say I am? I don’t think I am, but I’m doing my best to listen, and when I say, “please stop yelling at me and let’s have a conversation that I can grow from” I get yelled at for “tone policing” and honestly I just get exhausted and throw up my hands. Maybe I’m not this person they tell me I am, but I represent that person in their heads, and they treat me accordingly? This is one of those times when my mental illness makes it very hard for me to know what’s objective reality and what’s just in my head.

[BisMarckie]

So what you are telling me is that he is a transphobe?

[Tuckers Law]

It’s like that dolan comic.  Everything is transphobic.

[Potato]

relevant to twitter/mastodon shenanigans, I stumbled across a story from 4 years ago:

https://wilwheaton.net/2018/08/the-world-is-a-terrible-place-right-now-and-thats-largely-because-it-is-what-we-make-it/

TLDR:

wil wheaton was so mad at twitter that he left it 4 years ago, went to mastodon, and got so relentlessly abused for his perceived transphobia that he had to leave it too


(side note: wil knew some wonderful people on the inside of twitter who were quietly trying to uh, "fix" it...probably all fired now)

Anyway, enough about how terrible Twitter is. We all know how terrible it is. That’s never going to change, by the way. I know some very good people who are working on making Twitter better, but I honestly don’t think they can overcome the institutional inertia that has allowed it to get to the point its at now. It may get incrementally better, but the fundamental problem of random, mostly-anonymous people being terrible isn’t going to change, because that’s not a Twitter problem. That’s a humanity — and specifically a social media — problem.

his experience at mastodon:

I thought I’d find something different. I thought I’d find a smaller community that was more like Twitter was way back in 2008 or 2009. Cat pictures! Jokes! Links to interesting things that we found in the backwaters of the internet! Interaction with friends we just haven’t met, yet! What I found was … not that.

I found a harsh reality that I’m still trying to process: thousands of people who don’t know me, who have never interacted with me, who internalized a series of lies about me, who were never willing to give me a chance. I was harassed from the minute I made my account, and though I expected the “shut up wesley”s and “go fuck yourself”s to taper off after a day or so, it never did. And even though I never broke any rules on the server I joined (Mastodon is individual “instances” which is like a server, which connects to the “federated timeline”, which is what all the other servers are), one of its admins told me they were suspending my account, because they got 60 (!) reports overnight about my account, and they didn’t want to deal with the drama.

I respect and support that person’s decision, because it’s a private server and it’s run with their time, energy, attention, and (presumably) money. I don’t agree with it at all, and I think it’s deeply unfair, as well as rewarding abuse of a reporting system that’s meant to protect users, but it’s their site and it’s their rules, and I can’t say I blame them. The people going after me were pretty awful, and I can only imagine that an admin would get fed up with them, too.

how was wil transphobic? well, during GAMERGATE he used a poorly-coded block list which also blocked people who were engaging with the GAMERGATORS which included a lot of trans people, so he was inadvertently blocking a lot of trans people

Before I leave, I want to just make something very clear, because I’ve spent most of my life being yelled at by people who don’t know me at all, and I want the record to be clear. 2/x

During GamerGate, I was dogpiled and mobbed and brigaded and attacked by thousands of accounts. I started using a blocklist that was supposed to help stop that. I did not know that the blocklist I signed up for also had a lot of trans women on it. When I found out, I did everything I could to remove those women from the list I shared. When there were still innocents on the list, I stopped sharing the list entirely. Despite this, a mob has decided that I’m anti-trans. 3/x

This lie that I am anti-trans, or anti-LGBQ, is deeply hurtful to me (I know it’s nothing like the pain LGBTQ people deal with every day, as they simply try to *exist* in a world that treats them so badly, but it is still hurtful in its own way to me). I just want to make it extremely clear: that is a lie, and the people spreading it are misinformed.

So I’m leaving the Fediverse, which has treated me with more cruelty, vitriol, hatred, and contempt than than anyone on the birdsite ever did. 4/x

alt-right dogwhistles:

I see this in the online space all the time now: mobs of people, acting in bad faith, can make people they don’t know and will likely never meet miserable, or even try to ruin their lives and careers (look at what they did to James Gunn). And those mobs’ bad behaviors are continually rewarded, because it’s honestly easier to just give them what they want. We are ceding the social space to bad people, because they have the most time, the least morals and ethics, and are skilled at relentlessly attacking and harassing their targets. It only takes few seconds for one person to type “fuck off” and hit send. That person probably doesn’t care and doesn’t think about how their one grain of sand quickly becomes a dune, with another person buried beneath it. That’s a huge problem that seems to be baked into social media, and I tried to mitigate it with a blocklist that I never intended to be problematic, but ultimately was. (And for what it’s worth, the part of me that wants to apologize to the people who ended up on it by mistake is overwhelmed by the part of me who was attacked really viciously by a lot of those people and feels like maybe blocking them wasn’t such a bad idea, after all.)

 

Like, I know that I’m not a transphobe, but holy shit that lie just won’t die, and right now as I am writing this, someone at Mastodon is telling me that I am, because people said so, and I should apologize to them. I mean, how am I supposed to respond to that, when it happens over and over and over again? “You’ve been lied to about me. Please give me a chance” just doesn’t seem like a viable way forward with people who are, for whatever reason, very, very angry. And these people seem to have an idea of me in their head that doesn’t fit with the idea of myself that I have in my head. It’s honestly caused me to rethink a lot of stuff. Like, am I really the terrible person they say I am? I don’t think I am, but I’m doing my best to listen, and when I say, “please stop yelling at me and let’s have a conversation that I can grow from” I get yelled at for “tone policing” and honestly I just get exhausted and throw up my hands. Maybe I’m not this person they tell me I am, but I represent that person in their heads, and they treat me accordingly? This is one of those times when my mental illness makes it very hard for me to know what’s objective reality and what’s just in my head.

This is the reality people like Wil created on Twatter and the internet more broadly yet they only seem to care when it affects them personally.

Fuck off!

[benjipwns]

Good for the EU. Lies without consequence are the downfall of democracy.

I agree if this is true, I can't wait for the EU to start shutting down access to any website that allows anyone, especially foreigners (or worse, the British), to post on them. Blasphemy against the Church should be allowed no quarter anywhere.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1598505803580841984

 

[Tasty]

 

[HaughtyFrank]

He made it himself in Photoshop 

[benjipwns]

Friends, if I ever post something like that instead of just pasting a swatiska over top and asking you to understand the concept, it's a warning sign about my mental illness. (Same with taking a screenshot of my monitor.)

[headwalk]

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1598505803580841984

 

[Nintex]

Elon banned ye

https://twitter.com/ziyatong/status/1598545615037906944

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598546057138524160

[Occam]

Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.

Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.

And antisemitic posts referring to Jews or Judaism soared more than 61 percent in the two weeks after Mr. Musk acquired the site.
[...]
Last week, Mr. Musk proposed a widespread amnesty for accounts that Twitter’s previous leadership had suspended. And on Tuesday, he ended enforcement of a policy against Covid misinformation.
[...]
The lack of action extends to new accounts affiliated with terror groups and others that Twitter previously banned. In the first 12 days after Mr. Musk assumed control, 450 accounts associated with ISIS were created, up 69 percent from the previous 12 days, according to the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a think tank that studies online platforms.

Other social media companies are also increasingly concerned about how content is being moderated on Twitter.

When Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, found accounts associated with Russian and Chinese state-backed influence campaigns on its platforms last month, it tried to alert Twitter, said two members of Meta’s security team, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak publicly. The two companies often communicated on these issues, since foreign influence campaigns typically linked fake accounts on Facebook to Twitter.

But this time was different. The emails to their counterparts at Twitter bounced or went unanswered, the Meta employees said, in a sign that those workers may have been fired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html

[BisMarckie]

The moral panic about twitter is the most embarassing shit ever.

Just don't use the site if you oppose the ownership, but that would include admitting that you are addicted to it and therefore can't.

[Madrun Badrun]

I agree.  Because social media isn't something that actually influences anything or causes any problems, the solution is just to personally log off to not be affected by it.  You know the old saying, what happens on Facebook stays on Facebook and it doesn't lead to armed individuals patrolling ballot drop-offs and drag shows.  Nor can someone actually like to use Twitter and be a proponent of making it better.  Twitter is bad, so getting worse, shouldn't concern anyone and it's hypocritical and a secret shame to indulge in it. 

[Occam]

Yep, for instance did you know that no real people died because of covid disinformation?

[Madrun Badrun]

I bet there were 50 people in Christchurch who severely regret not logging off of 4chan in order to protect themselves from being shot, but they just couldn't admit to being addicted to it.  Probably looking at cartoon frogs just before bullets started flying.   

[BisMarckie]

This is the most disingenious way to argue any point, holy shit 

I also didn't know 4chan was bought by Musk as well, must have been a package deal.

[Madrun Badrun]

The concern is not about ownership, it's the concern of content getting worse under a new owner.  Your point about just logging off being a solution to that and not doing so being hypocritical was dumb enough to warrant the sarcasm.   To look at the way social media has compounded social issues over the last decade and then to write off any concern over that as moral panic just because you have seen a few Tweets of people saying the sky is falling because Musk bought Twitter is disingenuous from the start.   

[Uncle]

I agree.  Because social media isn't something that actually influences anything or causes any problems, the solution is just to personally log off to not be affected by it.  You know the old saying, what happens on Facebook stays on Facebook and it doesn't lead to armed individuals patrolling ballot drop-offs and drag shows.  Nor can someone actually like to use Twitter and be a proponent of making it better.  Twitter is bad, so getting worse, shouldn't concern anyone and it's hypocritical and a secret shame to indulge in it.

sorry, I can't agree with this sentiment

what if someone were to go on a site like reddit or resetera and read something that makes them feel sad or angry? like if they heard about how russia is attacking ukraine and their despair led them to decide to attack russian people in the streets? or negative news about climate change could make someone develop crazy ideas about harming their neighbors for using gas-guzzling vehicles? can't we hold these sites responsible for allowing the propagation of such violence-inducing information?

ideally there would be a near universal ban on content that could make anyone feel negative toward anyone else, because people are unpredictable, and their tendencies toward violence find their inception in such threads

for the same reason the news needs to stop drawing attention to mass shooters, we need to make sure we don't hear anything about countries of a mostly-homogeneous culture engaged in aggression against others, or negative actions committed by any global minorities of any type

hiding under the guise of "news" or "being informative" has gone on for long enough

[HaughtyFrank]

Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.

Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.

I have to admit, considering Twitter has about 230 million users who are active each month, I expected those numbers to be way, way higher, pre and post Musk.

[Madrun Badrun]

Uncle, you start by reducing the issue to absurdity. 

what if someone were to go on a site like reddit or resetera and read something that makes them feel sad or angry?

Well, what if this does happen?  People feel sad and angry all the time about a bunch of different things. Then you both-sides the issue based on hypotheticals that are not happening.

what if someone were to go on a site like reddit or resetera and read something that makes them feel sad or angry? like if they heard about how russia is attacking ukraine and their despair led them to decide to attack russian people in the streets? or negative news about climate change could make someone develop crazy ideas about harming their neighbors for using gas-guzzling vehicles? can't we hold these sites responsible for allowing the propagation of such violence-inducing information?

Presumably, you think people who are against rightwing violence are OK with perceived or made-up leftwing violence like attacking Russians or people with large cars.  And that because of this presumption we have to allow both situations to be fair, because if it did happen, that would necessitate a ban on all things since, by assertion, any random thing could set someone off to attack a Russian.

ideally there would be a near universal ban on content that could make anyone feel negative toward anyone else, because people are unpredictable, and their tendencies toward violence find their inception in such threads

Therefore the outcome is 1) there would be a near-universal ban on all speech and 2) we can't hold companies for individual actions.  Which would be bad, therefor any moderation is unacceptable.     

The problem with this is that not any old thing sets people off enough to murder someone.  It's not happening with both sides, and if it did, it would not change the argument.  While people individually are unpredictable, as groups they are not, and certain groups are the ones contributing to actual violence.  This is the whole idea of stochastic terrorism.  There is a large gap between the nebulous 'holding a site responsible' and advocating for moderation, especially when most are advocating for self-moderation.   Also by saying the news needs to stop drawing attention, you are advocating for self-moderation and it's no different than reddit banning a sub.       

[Tuckers Law]

 
“Stochastic terrorism”
 

[Uncle]

made-up leftwing violence like attacking Russians

I hesitate to share this, because if it causes you to feel negatively toward the people perpetrating these crimes it could lead you to take action, but I must shoulder that risk in order to shut down this misinformation

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/05/30/ukraine-war-sparks-hate-crimes-germany

https://www.marxist.com/ridiculous-russian-boycotts-lead-to-xenophobic-hate-crimes.htm

Therefore the outcome is 1) there would be a near-universal ban on all speech

correct

people don't kill people, opinions do

if someone says on social media "the jews did a thing" and that opinion takes root in an impressionable mind, that person may eventually act on that faulty assumption

this is what is meant by the idea of stochastic terrorism

we cannot allow people to say "the jews did a thing" or "the russians are destroying ukraine" because even though these comments don't directly ask for violence, they lead inexorably toward them

[Madrun Badrun]

You just reiterated your same argument by starting with an absurdity and supporting it with whataboutism. 

The idea that people are not influenced by social media interactions is absurd.  Maybe that's not what you think, but then the idea that we can't consider other people 'responsible' for what they say based on others' actions is just as absurd.  And it's absurd because of silly reductionism.  Let's go with your hypothetical of killing a Russian because someone read something on Reddit that got them mad.  The situations are very different if that person heard "the russians are destroying ukraine" and killed someone vs something engaging in a reddit where everyone is saying "the russians are destroying ukraine.  They are animals and all deserve to be shot."  What does 'responsibility' mean here?  It seems like a responsible thing to shut down that reddit.  How do you get shutting down this reddit means that SJWs can't discuss the Supernatural series finale on the possibility over people getting upset about it again?

We can not allow people to say "the Jews did a thing", which is a nice downplaying of what people actually say, BTW, because we have a vast recorded history of showing exactly what that leads too.  The difference between that and your Russian hypothetical is, well, one actually happens in reality and I feel like we should make decisions based on what actually happens.

edit:  those examples you shared are a great examples.  Clearly, on abstraction, those are equivalent to what is being discussed and you didn't have to surge the internet to find support for your silly example.  You a big fan of marxist.com?

[Nintex]

Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a think tank that studies online platforms.

This is not CIA related at all


Anyhow it's pretty funny how the conversation has shifted from: "Elon Musk will allow the Republican party to influence the election with their covert Russian agents" to: "Elon should not be the one to decide who bans Ye after he says that he loves Hitler and fat shames Elon". Under Elon's reign I'm not seeing any less content of any content type. I would be mostly worried if he started to ban the liberal/woke side of things but he seems fine with both sides having a conversation, unlike most shitlibs who want to ban anyone that watched Dave Chapelle on SNL.

Also Trump getting unbanned but not Tweeting was the obvious ending to that arc. Yet the media predicted the end of the world if Elon unbanned Trump.

[Uncle]

The idea that people are not influenced by social media interactions is absurd.

uh yeah man, I'm agreeing with you here 

social media interactions are possibly the biggest threat to humanity, people behaving violently is not the problem, it's those who drive them to do so

a stray comment that makes others think there's some conspiracy to unravel absolves the terrorist of responsibility; all such comments need to be suppressed in order to ascertain that the idea originated in his own mind, rather than some external motivating source

just as women dressing too sexily lead men to sin, so too do provocative social media comments

I don't know why we would even limit our moderation to social media comments, shouldn't real life be moderated in the same way? skirts can be this short and no shorter, otherwise it's tantamount to exercising a stochastic terrorism on innocent eyes

We can not allow people to say "the Jews did a thing", which is a nice downplaying of what people actually say

I'm aware of the power my words have and do my best not to spread hateful ideas, but if you feel the problem is better illustrated by saying such things outright, you are welcome to do so

I will not be responsible for kanye stumbling across thebore.com and accidentally taking away the wrong message

[Madrun Badrun]

Please, go on and expand on that Nintex.  I'd like to hear your thoughts.  What do you mean by 'funny'?  What are you implying by this observed shift?  Are those concerns mutually exclusive?  Can a conversation shift without it implying something 'funny' about what is being argued?  Do you think that those summaries are accurate to what has been said or are they a bit coloured by stances on the issues?

[Nintex]

*banks and governments defraud everyone and leave Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya in ruins, creating the biggest migration and economic crisis since WW2 and cut so much healthcare capacity that hospitals can't handle a pandemic*

"Yelon Trump bad, your shitposting is literally destroying democracy"

Please, go on and expand on that Nintex.  I'd like to hear your thoughts.  What do you mean by 'funny'?  What are you implying by this observed shift?  Are those concerns mutually exclusive?  Can a conversation shift without it implying something 'funny' about what is being argued?  Do you think that those summaries are accurate to what has been said or are they a bit coloured by stances on the issues?

I think all this panic over Twitter and Elon Musk is way overblown. As is the panic over Ye and Trump. In fact the panic is what keeps Trump's political brand alive to this day.
The 'myth' that he's the nightmare of the liberals.

People that carry out shootings or whatever have a whole different range of problems that can be activated with any trigger. It can be a tweet but it can also be a Donald Duck cartoon, a commercial or song lyrics.
These people aren't well.

[Madrun Badrun]

The idea that people are not influenced by social media interactions is absurd.

uh yeah man, I'm agreeing with you here 

Hence the "Maybe that's not what you think, but then ..."  which comes right after

And again you go from absurdism to absurdism.   A 'stray comment' is different from a community that is only 'stray comments'.  A 'stray comment' isn't really a 'stray comment' if, such comments have a history of encouraging violence, which is also different from a hypothetical 'stray comment'.   Unless you abstract enough, it's pretty easy to tell the difference.  It's also pretty easy to say that different things deserve different responses and 'responsibilities' also are different depending on the situation.  But once you conflate all these things, ya I can see how you go from a 'stray comment' to a ban on everything.   I know you're making a joke about trying not to commit a thought crime, but that only works if you have bought into the absurd conflations that I'm arguing against and all it does is highlight the absurdity.   

I don't even know how to begin to unpack the dressing analogy.       

[who is ted danson?]

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/persecutedsgin/status/1598396350559027200


Guess Netflix finally found their black Hitler.

[james]

The chart showing number of Hitler mentions on Twitter over time is going up be spectacular

[Kurt Russell]

The concern is not about ownership, it's the concern of content getting worse under a new owner.  Your point about just logging off being a solution to that and not doing so being hypocritical was dumb enough to warrant the sarcasm.   To look at the way social media has compounded social issues over the last decade and then to write off any concern over that as moral panic just because you have seen a few Tweets of people saying the sky is falling because Musk bought Twitter is disingenuous from the start.

So explain to me how the pixels of social media are capable of transforming young men into mass murderers yet the pixels of Grand Theft Auto aren't?