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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2009, 02:33:51 PM

Title: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3890785

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According to a report by Sports Illustrated, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for anabolic steroids in 2003, when he was with the Texas Rangers and won the AL home run title and MVP award.

According to the report, which was posted Saturday morning on SI.com, sources told the publication that Rodriguez was on a list of 104 players who tested positive that year, when Major League Baseball conducted survey tests to see if mandatory, random drug-testing was needed.

:lol this is a joke at this point
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
I hope he never wins a championship.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Grecco on February 07, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
Werent these tests supposed to be "annonymous" ?  Afraud or not i find these leaks kind of pathetic.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
I don't give a shit about A-Rod. Who were the other 103 players on the list?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Werent these tests supposed to be "annonymous" ?  Afraud or not i find these leaks kind of pathetic.

Th entire situation is pathetic in every way.

DM, the other names haven't been leaked.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 02:52:23 PM
MLB needs a cleansing.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2009, 02:52:50 PM
ONLY POOHOLES CAN SAVE US NOW
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2009, 02:53:42 PM
More like Needle-holes, amirite?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2009, 02:54:29 PM
Most likely.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
Werent these tests supposed to be "annonymous" ?  Afraud or not i find these leaks kind of pathetic.

Th entire situation is pathetic in every way.

DM, the other names haven't been leaked.

I read the article over at ESPN and watched the video segment. It's interesting how his name was the only one revealed so far, and that Bonds wasn't on it.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Grecco on February 07, 2009, 02:59:00 PM
Werent these tests supposed to be "annonymous" ?  Afraud or not i find these leaks kind of pathetic.

Th entire situation is pathetic in every way.

DM, the other names haven't been leaked.

I read the article over at ESPN and watched the video segment. It's interesting how his name was the only one revealed so far, and that Bonds wasn't on it.

I hate cheaters, im not trying to defend him or anything but i reeeally hate how the whole thing has been handled. These "leaks" ? Just terrible
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 07, 2009, 06:21:33 PM
Yeah that's bullshit if he was on a list of 103 players and his name is the only one that leaked.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 11:46:51 AM
The New York Post is the Great American Newspaper

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/02/ahole.jpg)
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?

it was never supposed to be released.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 11:55:19 AM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?

it was never supposed to be released.

wtf?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?

it was never supposed to be released.

wtf?

*sigh*

In 2003, the Players Union did anonymous testing to see what percentage of players were roiding. 104 players tested positive that year. Only A-Rod's name has been leaked, which is kinda bullshit.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?

it was never supposed to be released.

wtf?

2003 was the first year that baseball did any sort of testing; it was to establish a benchmark to see HOW MANY people were using and if stricter tests were needed.  The results were supposed to remain anonymous and there was no penalty for a player testing positive that year.

Also, Jose Canseco is vindicated once again.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
Seriously, I don't want to live in a world where Jose Canseco is continually proven to be the purveyor of truth.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 12:01:56 PM
so 103 got a "cheat, get out of trouble free" card for participated in the tests that year, were absolved of all guilt...then many go and start breaking records while the league knows they're dirty but can't do anything about it

lol baseball
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
Seriously, I don't want to live in a world where Jose Canseco is continually proven to be the purveyor of truth.

Tough luck!  You probably also don't want to live in a world where the Mutts blew the division on the last day of the season two years running, but that's what you gotta deal with.  This year the Braves are gonna fight you hard for second place- fear our rotation full of 3rd starters!
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
more like

lol players union

lol bud selig

fear our exact same team from last year + hopefully functional bullpen!
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2009, 12:06:04 PM
so they've known about this for 6 years yet it's only being released now?

it was never supposed to be released.

wtf?

*sigh*

In 2003, the Players Union did anonymous testing to see what percentage of players were roiding. 104 players tested positive that year. Only A-Rod's name has been leaked, which is kinda bullshit.

We also know about Barry Bonds, since they've said his name is not on that list from 2003.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
Triumph insulting cajole's team is like one outhouse insulting another for being too full.   
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2009, 12:06:23 PM
Seriously, I don't want to live in a world where Jose Canseco is continually proven to be the purveyor of truth.
At this point, I'd believe him if he claimed that Calista Flockhart was a lifetime roider.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 12:07:05 PM
What's really mind boggling is that we haven't done jack to address our offense, which consistently sunk us last year.  Our pitching really held up for the first 2/3 of the season despite the fact that we had so many injuries, but wear and tear ended up causing them to fade late.  Well, that and Bobby's distinguished mentally-challenged bullpen management.

But anyway, our outfield hit less than 30 hrs total.  OUR ENTIRE OUTFIELD.  Guess what position we haven't addressed so far?  Outfield.  smh.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 12:07:50 PM
Triumph insulting cajole's team is like one outhouse insulting another for being too full.   

How's that basketball team doing?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2009, 12:08:12 PM
What team loses more games this year: the Jays or Braves?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 12:10:33 PM
What team loses more games this year: the Jays or Braves?

That's tough.  On the one hand, you guys lost Burnett.  On the other, we're a team with no clutch hitting other than McCann and Chipper and a rotation with no # 1 and a questionable #2 in Lowe.  Both teams will probably both win in the low 80s but I'd say the Jays win more unless absolutely everything goes right for the Braves.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 12:11:02 PM
Triumph insulting cajole's team is like one outhouse insulting another for being too full.   

How's that basketball team doing?
At least we'll see the postseason, unlike you and Cajole's respective squads.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 12:15:05 PM
Triumph insulting cajole's team is like one outhouse insulting another for being too full.   

How's that basketball team doing?

At least we'll see the postseason, unlike you and Cajole's respective squads.

Pfft.  So will 64 other teams, who cares?  Although at least you guys have actual playoffs, unlike the crappy college football situation.  I can't let myself care about a sport that determines a "champion" that way.  Laughable!
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2009, 12:16:36 PM
I don't see the Jays winning 80. In addition to losing Burnett, their young pitchers--McGowan and Marcum--are injured and will likely miss most of the season. The line up is anemic. And the Jays have to play in a tough division.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
Lowe is definitely a solid #2, Triumph. At least next year.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
I keep trying to get Cajole out, but that bastard is like a turtle. A turtle whose shell falls off in late September.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Lowe is definitely a solid #2

 :teehee
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
tigers gonna be boss this season
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2009, 12:24:59 PM
tigers gonna be boss this season

81 and 81?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
Lowe is definitely a solid #2

 :teehee

that smiley gets me every time :lol
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2009, 12:50:33 PM
Maybe they should start a new hardcore league just for roid users.

Something like the XLB?
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:08:45 PM
I am so sick of reading about season previews, predictions and other trivial baseball bullshit. I want the season to start tomorrow.

Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 01:19:31 PM
I want the season to start tomorrow.




I want the season to end the day after that  :'(

other trivial baseball bullshit.



Also, redundant  :'(
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 01:20:49 PM
I am so sick of reading about season previews, predictions and other trivial baseball bullshit. I want the season to start tomorrow.

I've felt this way since October. I really don't care about any of the other sports nearly as much.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Ganhyun on February 09, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
So, besides Manny, who the Braves would likely not get, who else is left as a quality outfield player for the Braves to go after?

Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:40:38 PM
I want the season to start tomorrow.
I want the season to end the day after that  :'(

other trivial baseball bullshit.
Also, redundant  :'(

Hahah ... just curious, were you ever a fan as a kid?

I was probably a Football fan first and everything else next. I only think I liked baseball because of the cards and This Week in Baseball.

As I have grown older, baseball has only become more beloved to me. But I completely understand why some people wouldn't like it.




I've felt this way since October. I really don't care about any of the other sports nearly as much.

I like to have the break. The free agency period is pretty fun and football serves as a nice substitute ... but come February, the waiting gets to be too much.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 01:46:45 PM
So, besides Manny, who the Braves would likely not get, who else is left as a quality outfield player for the Braves to go after?



They just offered Abreu 5 mil.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 01:52:24 PM
There's Abreu, Dunn and either Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher.  We'd have to trade for the latter two with the Yanquis, so I dunno about that.  We also really need to sign Will Ohman, our stud lefty reliever to a deal.  We lowballed Glavine, but fuck Glavine.  Stick one of our young dudes in at number 5, we're not gonna seriously compete this year anyhow.
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Ganhyun on February 09, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
There's Abreu, Dunn and either Xavier Nady or Nick Swisher.  We'd have to trade for the latter two with the Yanquis, so I dunno about that.  We also really need to sign Will Ohman, our stud lefty reliever to a deal.  We lowballed Glavine, but fuck Glavine.  Stick one of our young dudes in at number 5, we're not gonna seriously compete this year anyhow.

I don't like Dunn as a Brave as he would remind me of Andruw, with his low hitting average. Abreu would be an improvement. I doubt we trade for Nady or Swisher unless management gets desperate. I agree that we need to develop our younger pitchers and keep Ohman. Glavine really needs to retire IMO.

Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 01:59:18 PM

Hahah ... just curious, were you ever a fan as a kid?

I was probably a Football fan first and everything else next. I only think I liked baseball because of the cards and This Week in Baseball.

As I have grown older, baseball has only become more beloved to me. But I completely understand why some people wouldn't like it.






I was just busting balls, I don't hate baseball per se, just never had a team and never really got into it.  Basically I don't like it because it dominates the summer and neither of my preferred sports (football, basketball) are playing.  So it throws off my routine of watching ESPN-related channels for 20 hours a day. 
Title: Re: A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
Let's turn this into a sports trolling affair.

HOW BOUT THEM DUKE BLUE DEVILS? WHAT? LOST TO CLEMSON? MUAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAA

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes, I realize my team has dropped three straight.
[close]
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
sorry, already rebranded it as the new offseason thread
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 02:10:06 PM
I'm still trolling tet goddamnit!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 02:10:34 PM
lol college sports
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 02:13:19 PM
It's all they have in Kentucky.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 02:16:25 PM
lol Kentucky  :lol


Glad to see you have your power back, T234.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 02:17:49 PM
Yeah, you New Yorkers and your things to do and your real jobs.

Triumph, you live in NORTH CAROLINA, home of UNC, WAKE, NCST, and the hated Duke. Don't tell you don't live in a place obsessed with college sports.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
Yeah, you New Yorkers and your things to do and your real jobs.

Triumph, you live in NORTH CAROLINA, home of UNC, WAKE, NCST, and the hated Duke. Don't tell you don't live in a place obsessed with college sports.

I reside in NC, but my heart resides in Atlanta where we have teams in all four major sports- baseball, football, basketball and strippers.  Haha, hockey isn't American!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 02:20:26 PM
So A-Rod apparently has admitted it. bluemax and y2kev am cry
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
Atlanta Major League Sports fans  :lol


That's almost as funny as Kentucky.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 09, 2009, 02:22:53 PM
We love our college sports in North Carolina and, more specifically, college basketball. The Panthers get pub (way too much, if you ask me), the Bobcats really don't, and the Hurricanes get pub only if they're winning (what's up, Stanley Cup 2006). I guess the same rule would apply to the Bobcats, but they've never won.

Nope, we're a college state. That and NASCAR.

:bow North Carolina :bow2
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 02:38:05 PM
This is really the first season I can remember that I truly don't give a shit.

I'm probably moving to Jackson, Mississippi in May. So, I'll get to check out the Braves AA team when I want. There's a couple of guys that excite me there. But, the big club sucks and will continue to suck until they get real ownership in there.

With the Rays I'm looking to see how well guys like Matt Garza and Longoria develop.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
hey Triumph, you gotta set up the leagues again this year; I'll post the info over on GA so we get the regulars(Welli, solrac, Kara, dude with the Fry avatar) to sign up again.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 02:44:01 PM
what about me? :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
youre banned for three months, so i didnt include you in the ga regulars, but obviously we want you in hunney <3
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
hey Triumph, you gotta set up the leagues again this year; I'll post the info over on GA so we get the regulars(Welli, solrac, Kara, dude with the Fry avatar) to sign up again.

I guess so, I still think it's lame that I'm perm'd over calling amirox out but whatever, it's evilore's board and he can do what he wants.  He's obviously not interested in catering to quality posters (witness the disastrophe that is the gaming forum over there) so meh.  I'll set a couple of leagues up and post info here.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 02:51:54 PM
I didn't mind being banned from GAF until I realized I would be missing the MLB thread and half the season. ::tears

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 02:52:45 PM
Yeah, the MLB thread is the only thing I'm sad about. :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 02:53:55 PM
sometimes people outgrow gaf- i feel like ive done that- but you can't outgrow the mlb thread. <3
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 03:08:16 PM
Yeah, the only things I really miss are the sports n' politics threads, but amirox pretty much ruined the political threads.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 03:09:28 PM
Wow, that didn't take long.  http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847)

Pay-Rod admits to using 'performance-enhancing drugs.'
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 09, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
Wow, that didn't take long.  http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847)

Pay-Rod admits to using 'performance-enhancing drugs.'

Hard to deny things when there are smoking guns. Didn't stop Bonds and Clemens, but I think athletes have to pay attention to how Bonds and Clemens are being treated as opposed to Giambi and Pettitte. Get it out there and move on (to what degree of truthfulness, who knows), or else dodge questions about it the rest of your career. You've still been tainted, but your life will be easier.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
Better to admit it than act like Bonds

baseball is a sport that has relied on cheating for years, from corked bats to lubricants to segregation etc etc etc. this is just the current generation's form

If they were serious about the testing they'd set up hard core rule,s test everyone at the beginning of the season, then at 3month intervals. create a black list of banned substances and if anyone gets tested for it, 100 game ban.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 09, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
You've still been tainted, but your life will be easier.

Then again, A-Rod is already the most villified active player in the game, so the steroid thing isn't going to help. A $300 million contract and a lack of October production might do that to you. On the other hand, if I was sitting on $300 million, people could call me Adolf Hussein bin Laden and it would be like water off a duck's back.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
it's bullshit, and distinguished mentally-challenged sosh posters on gaf are a giddy schaudenfreude-laden mess. so he admits steroid abuse. do i think he's clean now? lol no. i dont know what else you want from the guy.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
i kinda liked your fried chicken and dance suggestion

really, who WOULDN'T want to see that?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
i tried to be ironic knowing frankwoman is a colored poster.

i swear one of these days i'm going to bust an artery posting on the mlb thread on gaf.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 04:07:16 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with gloating when one of your closest rivals face adversity (especially when they bring it upon themselves).

If anything, that's the second greatest thing to your team winning. Is the misery of others (and their fanbase).

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 04:09:17 PM
Indeed.  As a Braves fan, the past couple years have been unsatisfying to say the least, but I would be lying fo sho if I said that I haven't taken great joy and glee in the Mutts' collapses on the last day for the past two seasons.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 04:11:02 PM
true. i really only care this much because i live in boston, eznark's the same way.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 09, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
stfu cajole

i think i'll go play mlb the show demo over and over again now

and you can't

mmmm
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2009, 04:24:10 PM
I'm a lifelong Mariners fan. MARINERS!

I still can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 04:25:39 PM
stfu cajole

i think i'll go play mlb the show demo over and over again now

and you can't

mmmm

yeah well im gonna go accrue interest on $400

or something

:(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 04:26:36 PM
I'm a lifelong Mariners fan. MARINERS!

I still can't wait for the season to start.


I'm going to miss Franky G in the outfield. I hope he doesn't turn into another Brandon Phillips. :(

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 09, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
what team is assdrubal playing for now

i will laugh at that team
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
Don't get mad because all of your young talent are proven busts. We still have hope with (most) of ours. You can always buy Asdrubal in 2014 when Jeter finally retires.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 09, 2009, 04:49:13 PM
A-Rod is going to get the 'Pete Rose' treatment, it's going to be hilarious.

He sounds insincere when discussing the roids, and it seems like he's only coming forward for his own interests.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 09, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
Fo real I think Ian Kennedy is trash and have said so for a year. I'm not saying he needs to be demoted for more "seasoning" (lol)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 04:55:22 PM
What about Phil Hughes, tho?  lolz, he's no Junior Viceroy Felix.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 04:58:07 PM
Don't get mad because all of your young talent are proven busts. We still have hope with (most) of ours. You can always buy Asdrubal in 2014 when Jeter finally retires.



less we forget Joba fist pumping your asshole last season.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 06:26:50 PM
a reporter should ask him why they didn't work during the playoffs
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 09, 2009, 06:44:32 PM
A-Rod is going to get the 'Pete Rose' treatment, it's going to be hilarious.

He sounds insincere when discussing the roids, and it seems like he's only coming forward for his own interests.

Of course he's only coming forward for his own interests. It's not like he was volunteering this information last week. "Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for attending this press conference. No, we're not here to talk about the upcoming season. Not here to talk about Joe Torre's book. Not here to talk about Madonna. Not here to talk about Derek Jeter. Not here to talk about how rich I am. Not here to talk about..."

He was busted, called out, and it's either do it this way or the hard way. And like everyone who comes clean, you never come all the way clean. It's how much you can say without saying it all.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2009, 07:14:40 PM
I hope, by the time I die, someone makes a documentary on pro sports during the era of my youth and how corrupt it was. Selig, Stern, Olympic committee bullshit and what ever have you. I want my kids to understand that athletes are not heroes.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 09, 2009, 07:16:55 PM
Don't get mad because all of your young talent are proven busts. We still have hope with (most) of ours. You can always buy Asdrubal in 2014 when Jeter finally retires.



less we forget Joba fist pumping your asshole last season.
lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 09, 2009, 07:44:01 PM
less we forget?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 09, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
less we forget?

more we'll know
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 09, 2009, 07:58:45 PM
rofl :bow
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 11:03:28 PM

less we forget Joba fist pumping your asshole last season.

The Yankees should have to forfeit all the championships they have won with A-rod.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: pollo on February 09, 2009, 11:07:09 PM
HAHAHAHA JOKES ON YOU AROD HASNT WON ANY

wait

FUCK YOU
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2009, 11:18:03 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think they'll ever peg Jeter with steroids. He is just a natural tool without the roid rage. Maybe they can get him for giving Matsui poppers.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 12:24:49 PM
BP win-loss projections

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Braves > Jays
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Ganhyun on February 10, 2009, 02:39:21 PM
BP win-loss projections

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Braves > Jays

That site would have the Braves as a Wild-Card team then.

Maybe the Braves perform that well.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 02:57:02 PM
You could make a good case for any team (aside from the Royals) for winning the AL Central.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
You could make a good case for any team (aside from the Royals) for winning the AL Central.

This made me notice that BP actually has the Royals not in last place.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 10, 2009, 04:38:07 PM
Any more names leaked? I hear something about Tejada on NPR.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 04:49:31 PM
:usacry
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Bocsius on February 10, 2009, 04:52:40 PM
Any more names leaked? I hear something about Tejada on NPR.

This is blowback from testimony a few years ago and the Mitchell Report.

Quote
WASHINGTON -- All-Star shortstop Miguel Tejada has been charged with lying to Congress about steroids, with the baseball player scheduled to appear in court Wednesday where he is expected to plead guilty.

The charges against Tejada, who currently plays for the Houston Astros, were outlined in documents filed in Washington federal court on Tuesday.

The documents indicate that a plea agreement has been reached with Tejada, who won the 2002 American League Most Valuable Player award while playing for the Oakland Athletics and is a five-time All-Star.

Tejada faces as much as a year in jail if convicted on the misdemeanor charge of making misrepresentations to Congress. Under federal guidelines, he would probably receive a lighter sentence.

(Continues:  http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3896877)

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
This seems like the beginning of the end for baseball :'(

Nah.  Bonds and Clemens were the best players of their generation and the game kept on chugging after they got named, and it had it's best year ever last year money wise.  Game will be just fine.

Really, people just need to get over the crying and gnashing of teeth over this.  Yes, people cheated.  Lots of them.  Records were set with the help of peds, oh well.  Let's move on.  Also keeping these guys out of the HoF is dumb- peds were part of the game, trying to vindictively keep people out is a bitch move but totally in line with the mindset of the whiny, wannabe writers who vote on the HoF.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Yeah, it's not going to be Hockey 2.0, Genghis. I thought you were joking.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: y2kev on February 10, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
No freaking way. Hockey 2.0? Attendance is up across the board and the big market teams continue to open new stadiums.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
:bow baseball :bow2

:piss hockey :piss2

:piss canadians :piss2
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2009, 05:34:23 PM
:piss canadians :piss2
Wow that hurt Cajole. To make myself fell better, I'm going to play MLB 09 the Show.  :D

Both Bonds and Clemens had HoF careers before they juiced. So there shouldn't be any question about their candidacies. Especially after they let in Jim Rice.  :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 10, 2009, 05:35:31 PM
I knew I should've said "canadian sports". Sorry.  :'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 01:19:01 AM
K-Rod best pitcher in MLB 09

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/blogs/sports-blog/909097139/26776748/mlb-2k9-top-ten-players-at-each-position-and-screens.html

shit game confirmed
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: E-DuB on February 11, 2009, 01:25:48 AM
BP win-loss projections

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Braves > Jays

These projections are all wrong. They don't take into account the Mets September collapse...
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 08:08:20 AM
88 wins for the Braves? :rofl
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
uhhh

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/02/10/2009-02-10_15m_lawsuit_claims_exmet_roberto_alomar_.html

Quote
Baseball great Roberto Alomar has full-blown AIDS but insisted on having unprotected sex, his ex-girlfriend charged Tuesday in a bombshell lawsuit.

wtf
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 09:44:03 AM
K-Rod best pitcher in MLB 09

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/blogs/sports-blog/909097139/26776748/mlb-2k9-top-ten-players-at-each-position-and-screens.html

shit game confirmed
I'm sorry . . . MLB 2K9? I've never heard of this game.
/me goes back to playing the Show demo
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 09:44:34 AM
uhhh

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/02/10/2009-02-10_15m_lawsuit_claims_exmet_roberto_alomar_.html

Quote
Baseball great Roberto Alomar has full-blown AIDS but insisted on having unprotected sex, his ex-girlfriend charged Tuesday in a bombshell lawsuit.

wtf
sounds like BS
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 09:45:06 AM
K-Rod best pitcher in MLB 09

http://www.gamespot.com/sports/blogs/sports-blog/909097139/26776748/mlb-2k9-top-ten-players-at-each-position-and-screens.html

shit game confirmed
I'm sorry . . . MLB 2K9? I've never heard of this game.
/me goes back to playing the Show demo

lol damn i didn't even realize that

worse troll attempt ever :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - A-Fraud on multiple levels
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
http://www.walkoffwalk.com/2009/02/robbie-alomar-aids-bombshell-b.html

Quote
- Alomar was sick and refused to get an HIV test, he later ended up with full blown AIDS.
- His ex-girlfriend is suing him now
- Alomar told his girlfriend that "he was raped by two Mexican men after playing a ballgame in New Mexico or a Southwestern state when he was 17."
- Alomar had a yeast infection.
- After Alomar spit in the face of ump John Hirschbeck back in 1996, fellow umpire Al Clark said, "If I were John, I'd insist that Robbie Alomar take an AIDS test." AL CLARK: SOOTHSAYER.
- Reader Dmac thinks that perhaps Robbie Alomar was the "high profile gay New York ballplayer" that everyone else thought was Mike Piazza.

WOW
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
All of those illnesses that the ex is accusing him of seems to line up with an AIDS patient. Also, it would explain why his HOF talent fell off the cliff at a premature age.

It's dicey because when you have a woman scorned, it can be unpredictable if they are telling the truth or not.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 11:58:00 AM
Further proof- the NY Mets will give you AIDS.  I'm glad we didn't try harder to bring Glavine back now.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 12:32:52 PM
Well, he was a switch hitter.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2009, 01:30:29 PM
i like the part where he was "raped" by two mexican men.

i've seen brokeback mountain, i know what goes down.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
No way he has AIDS. If he does,

Roberto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magic
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
question: how much would i get for trading in an x360 pro towards a ps3
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 11, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
question: how much would i get for trading in an x360 pro towards a ps3

A whole lot of AIDS.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2009, 01:37:15 PM
no, seriously. i don't even play video games anymore, i just want to play The Show.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 11, 2009, 01:38:35 PM
Oh, I thought you accidentally posted in the wrong thread.

No idea, probably not a whole lot, though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Bocsius on February 11, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
question: how much would i get for trading in an x360 pro towards a ps3

Maybe a hundred bucks, give or take.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
question: how much would i get for trading in an x360 pro towards a ps3

Maybe a hundred bucks, give or take.

sounds about right
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 01:45:20 PM
Dcharlie am cry.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Not HIV But Full Blown AIDS
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2009, 12:00:43 PM
Today's the big day motherfuckers! (Actually, it was yesterday for some teams. Whatever.) The only sport that matters is now officially starting. :rock

eznark apparently registered just for the occasion. Ban Willco if he doesn't approve him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 12:14:14 PM
Today's the big day motherfuckers! (Actually, it was yesterday for some teams. Whatever.) The only sport that matters is now officially starting. :rock

eznark apparently registered just for the occasion. Ban Willco if he doesn't approve him.

I was going to put the call out to get eznark in here.

Conserva-bore +1

:rock

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 13, 2009, 12:15:14 PM
I will approve his application if the Nationals win 90 games this year
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 12:16:46 PM
PITCHERS AND CATCHERS!!!!!!!!!!!

(Nationals have a shot at 80 wins).

More importantly, PECOTA projections have risen for the Crew, bumping them to 86 with the signing of Looper.  Also, highest slugging in the Majors.

Other updates:
Cubs: now 97-65
Mets: now 92-70
Diamondbacks: now 92-70
Braves: now 87-75
Phillies: now 87-75
Brewers: now 86-76
Dodgers: now 84-78
Cardinals: 80-82
Giants: now 78-84

Holy shit at Diamondbacks.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 13, 2009, 12:20:53 PM
This is the year we win EIGHTY-FOUR.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 13, 2009, 12:35:04 PM
I will approve his application if the Nationals win 90 games this year

WTF is this Liberal bias against Conservative applicants?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
lol
[close]
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 12:39:46 PM
BP Top prospects list is up:

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8506

My Matt Weiters boner remains strong. 

It's patently clear to me that the Brewers farm system needs some of this "stimulus" coin being randomly pissed all over America.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2009, 12:43:39 PM
Mets farm system annihilated...

I have to be honest and say I don't follow prospects all that much. Maybe I'm not far enough removed from when I wished I was a prospect.  :'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2009, 12:48:48 PM
To the Mariners front office:

Please don't sign Griffey. Please don't sign Griffey. Please don't sign Griffey.

He was my childhood hero, but seriously, it's not worth it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 12:50:09 PM
Mets farm system annihilated...

I have to be honest and say I don't follow prospects all that much. Maybe I'm not far enough removed from when I wished I was a prospect.  :'(

John Sickels is the easiest way to follow prospects

http://www.minorleagueball.com/
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 12:55:47 PM
Gamels and LaPorta are both overrated. Escobar is the real gem of the Brewer farm system, imo. Too bad he got injured.

Weiters is the real deal. The kid is a machine and I can't wait until he gets brought up. Kind of wierd still seeing Maybin on a prospect list.


The Indians might have gotten the steal of the year last year. They got Carlos Santana (ranked 32nd overall) for half a season of Casey Blake.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
LaPorta is in the Indians system.  The real gem of the Brewers system is Jeffres.  If he hadn't smoked a season two years ago he'd be fighting for a spot on the team right now.

Gamels will be an above average first basemen when the Brewers trade Prince Fielder for Zach Greinke.

Wait, you're an Indians fan, right?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
I didn't mean to imply that LaPorta was part of the Brewer system, just making the observation that he isn't the #1 prospect in the Indian farm system.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2009, 03:11:30 PM
I'm hoping Hanson has a kick ass enough spring that Bobby is forced to use him in the 5th starter slot.  The only thing I have to be interested in are our young guys.  Ok, that and the inevitable last day of the season choke job from the Mutts.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 13, 2009, 03:19:28 PM
I'm hoping Hanson has a kick ass enough spring that Bobby is forced to use him in the 5th starter slot.  The only thing I have to be interested in are our young guys.  Ok, that and the inevitable last day of the season choke job from the Mutts.

Id rather call him up in June and delay his arbitration years kicking in for a year. We need to save money. Especially with Liberty Pinch pockets Media. Stoked about him,. Schafer and Heyward though
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: LJ11 on February 13, 2009, 04:02:33 PM
Mets farm system annihilated...

I have to be honest and say I don't follow prospects all that much. Maybe I'm not far enough removed from when I wished I was a prospect.  :'(

It's not that bad actually.  Flores put up better numbers than Beckham in the Appalachian League, and was two years younger.  He can't play short though, so they need to find him a spot.  Brad Holt might be a better version of Pelfrey, less movement on the FB, but it gets on you fast and his secondary stuff may be better. 

Problem with the Mets is that never pay above the slot when they draft, you'll find the Yanks/Sox often paying above what they should given the slot the player was drafted in.  At least they go after the Latin ball players. 
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2009, 04:16:03 PM
LJ! I do hear a lot of good things about Flores. And I just want to see F-Mart at the end of this year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: LJ11 on February 13, 2009, 04:24:59 PM
Yeah, me too.  I hope he stays healthy, and has a big spring.  Manuel is willing to give guys a go when others are struggling so Martinez may get a shot if he performs.  It'll be interesting to see Manuel's approach this season, he pulled out all stops last year, and no one really got a free ride.  Hope he continues to manage that way. 

I'm high on the team as a whole, wasn't so sure in '07 or '08, but I think we have a shot this year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 13, 2009, 04:57:48 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090212/capt.aa988d4485a34fa082a9d9e332c5ba7c.red_sox_spring_baseball_flsr112.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 13, 2009, 05:52:46 PM
Heyward is the real deal. Hope he's in Jackson this year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 14, 2009, 06:17:25 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/14/braves_griffey_junior.html)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 14, 2009, 09:59:36 PM
Quote
** (9) pollo - Josh Hamilton CF
** (12) pollo - Mark Teixeira 1B
** (29) pollo - Brandon Webb SP
** (32) pollo - Brandon Phillips 2B
** (49) pollo - Chipper Jones 3B
** (52) pollo - David Ortiz DH
** (69) pollo - Bobby Abreu RF
** (72) pollo - Rafael Furcal SS
** (89) pollo - Jay Bruce RF
** (92) pollo - Scott Kazmir SP
** (109) pollo - Dan Uggla 2B
** (112) pollo - Rich Harden SP
** (129) pollo - Justin Verlander SP
** (132) pollo - Ryan Zimmerman 3B
** (149) pollo - Cameron Maybin CF
** (152) pollo - Matt Wieters C
** (169) pollo - Chien-Ming Wang SP
** (172) pollo - Brandon Lyon RP
** (189) pollo - Chris Young SP
** (192) pollo - Fausto Carmona SP
** (209) pollo - Chad Qualls RP
** (212) pollo - Rafael Soriano RP
** (229) pollo - Josh Willingham LF
** (232) pollo - Elijah Dukes RF
** (249) pollo - Aaron Rowand CF

Quote
** (8) pollo - Grady Sizemore CF
** (13) pollo - Chase Utley 2B
** (28) pollo - Evan Longoria 3B
** (33) pollo - Brandon Phillips 2B
** (48) pollo - Nate McLouth CF
** (53) pollo - Joe Mauer C
** (68) pollo - David Ortiz DH
** (73) pollo - Rafael Furcal SS
** (88) pollo - Scott Kazmir SP
** (93) pollo - Joba Chamberlain RP
** (108) pollo - Ryan Zimmerman 3B
** (113) pollo - Carlos Zambrano SP
** (128) pollo - Milton Bradley RF
** (133) pollo - David Price SP
** (148) pollo - Justin Verlander SP
** (153) pollo - Huston Street RP
** (168) pollo - Cameron Maybin CF
** (173) pollo - Matt Wieters C
** (188) pollo - Chris Young SP
** (193) pollo - Matt Lindstrom RP
** (208) pollo - Brandon Lyon RP
** (213) pollo - Elijah Dukes RF
** (228) pollo - Jason Giambi 1B
** (233) pollo - Michael Bourn CF
** (248) pollo - John Smoltz SP

anyone wanna weigh in?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 14, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
Your SP on the second team is WEAK.


Anyone pick up Choo in your league? He was top 5 in OPS in the second half of the season.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 14, 2009, 11:30:02 PM
Your SP on the second team is WEAK.


Anyone pick up Choo in your league? He was top 5 in OPS in the second half of the season.




those were just mock drafts
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 14, 2009, 11:37:54 PM
First team is ace other than the fact that your RP are either not so good or aren't going to be closing.  Second team is... yeah.  A further note on the first team- if I had been in that draft, mock or not, there would NOT have been such quality SP so late in the draft.  WTF?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 15, 2009, 01:01:10 AM
First team is ace other than the fact that your RP are either not so good or aren't going to be closing.  Second team is... yeah.  A further note on the first team- if I had been in that draft, mock or not, there would NOT have been such quality SP so late in the draft.  WTF?

Yea, don't most actual drafts hit the good SP and closers pretty quick, like 2-5th rounds usually? Or is that just a trend in the last 4 Fantasy drafts I've been in?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 15, 2009, 06:53:29 PM
We need an Evilbore Fantasy Baseball leauge. I want to destroy some fools.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 07:13:43 PM
We need an Evilbore Fantasy Baseball leauge. I want to destroy some fools.
someone needs to set that up.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 07:16:22 PM
I'll set one up as soon as yahoo lets me.  What is everyone's preference- head to head or roto?  I find roto to be boring and easy to win, personally.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 15, 2009, 07:24:33 PM
I prefer Roto, but am not against H2H.. My only issue is Live draft needs to be 20th March or after not before.  :'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
Holy snotrockets, what serendipity- yahoo opened the gates!  I went ahead and registered two leagues:

EB Loose Balls- a head to head league that has a live draft on Saturday March 21st at 1 pm
EB Roto- hur hur hard to figure out what this is, live draft on Sunday March 22nd at 1 pm

PM me if you want in and tell me which league (or both, whatever) and I'll get you the league id# and password.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2009, 11:22:22 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=518183


I'm not drafting Heath Bell on principle alone.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: drozmight on February 16, 2009, 12:24:35 AM
If Seattle signs Ken Griffey Jr., I will start going to games again.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 16, 2009, 02:32:36 AM
Quote
** (2) pollo - Hanley Ramirez SS
** (19) pollo - Nick Markakis RF
** (22) pollo - Manny Ramirez LF
** (39) pollo - Brian Roberts 2B
** (42) pollo - Chipper Jones 3B
** (59) pollo - Carlos Quentin LF
** (62) pollo - Alexei Ramirez 2B
** (79) pollo - Chad Billingsley SP
** (82) pollo - Scott Kazmir SP
** (99) pollo - Ryan Ludwick RF
** (102) pollo - Joba Chamberlain RP
** (119) pollo - Conor Jackson 1B
** (122) pollo - Edinson Volquez SP
** (139) pollo - Carlos Delgado 1B
** (142) pollo - Milton Bradley RF
** (159) pollo - Carlos Zambrano SP
** (162) pollo - Heath Bell RP
** (179) pollo - Matt Lindstrom RP
** (182) pollo - Bengie Molina C
** (199) pollo - Mike Gonzalez RP
** (202) pollo - Chien-Ming Wang SP
** (219) pollo - Chris Young SP
** (222) pollo - Tyler Walker RP
** (239) pollo - Elijah Dukes RF
** (242) pollo - Gary Sheffield DH

Yea, I think the draft is weird this year dudes. Wang, Chris Young, Verlander and Volquez are slotted wayyy too low
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 16, 2009, 08:42:52 AM
If Seattle signs Ken Griffey Jr., I will start going to games again.

Please do. Because i as a Braves fan dont want Griffey
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2009, 08:47:00 AM
C'mon Grecco, we could supplement our annual "When will Chipper get hurt?" game with a hearty round or three of "How long until Jr. gets hurt?"
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 16, 2009, 09:03:31 AM
Maybe chipper wants company on the dl. Thats why he wants him  :spin
Title: NL CENTRAL ON LOCK DOWN
Post by: eznark on February 16, 2009, 01:46:11 PM
Quote
Phoenix - Prince Fielder strolled through the backdoor of the clubhouse almost an hour ago wearing jeans and an untucked t-shirt.

And from his face to his waist, the change was immediately noticable: Prince Fielder has slimmed down.

Fielder said he hasn't changed his diet much or done anything exotic. He simply stepped up the cardio and his workout regimine in the off-season. He doesn't know how much he weighs because he said he "hates" scales, but he is definitely down a bunch from what he was at the end of last season (some people estimated he was at least 20 pounds heavier than his 2008 Opening Day listing of 270 pounds).

Fielder's weight has always been a point of contention among his critics, but I'm here to say right now that he sounds and looks committed to keeping the weight down. As he put it, "They want me to keep it down, so I'm definitely gonna do it." Fielder doesn't like to talk about his weight much, but when I told him it was a noticable difference, he smiled and said "thanks." So it appears he feels good about it and the fans don't have to gripe about that anymore for the near future.

Another change people will notice this season is a new tattoo on the right side of Fielder's neck. He got angel wings to balance out the Asian characters on the left side. He said he thought about getting matching wings on each side, but the characters were too popular.


Tubby hit the slim fast.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2009, 02:48:17 PM
Jesus Christ, you can't make this up.  Sooo glad we didn't re-sign him.

Mike Hampton has an irregular heartbeat. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjTeM86MvVUB86ktbYBerIw5nYcB?slug=ap-astros-hampton&prov=ap&type=lgns)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 17, 2009, 10:57:40 AM
frankman wants to fight me, i must be doing something right  :D

ARoid presser at 1:30 lolz.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2009, 04:46:03 PM
So a newspaper in Atlana is saying that the Braves signed Griffey, but Griffey told MLB.com that he hasn't decided yet...
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 17, 2009, 04:50:51 PM
So a newspaper in Atlana is saying that the Braves signed Griffey, but Griffey told MLB.com that he hasn't decided yet...

cnnsi has a story saying Griffey told friends he's heading to ATL. I cant access it to see anything more. Its on fannation, which is blocked for me at work.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2009, 04:51:33 PM
So a newspaper in Atlana is saying that the Braves signed Griffey, but Griffey told MLB.com that he hasn't decided yet...

cnnsi has a story saying Griffey told friends he's heading to ATL.

Junior needs to just come out and admit it to the press, this whole "we're not really sure" bullshit is annoying. You chose Atlanta over Seattle, we get it, stop trying to pussyfoot around it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 17, 2009, 04:56:54 PM
So a newspaper in Atlana is saying that the Braves signed Griffey, but Griffey told MLB.com that he hasn't decided yet...

cnnsi has a story saying Griffey told friends he's heading to ATL.

Junior needs to just come out and admit it to the press, this whole "we're not really sure" bullshit is annoying. You chose Atlanta over Seattle, we get it, stop trying to pussyfoot around it.


Wish they would settle this. No matter which side gets him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
I'm pretty confident that he's signed with Atlanta, just hasn't been announced because

A) he needs to pass a physical, and with Griffey you DO want to be sure he didn't pull something in the last five minutes
B) the Braves probably didn't want to announce something and have it get lost in the A-Roid presser shuffle
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2009, 04:59:59 PM
As much as I realized that signing Kenny would more than likely be a bad idea, I'm still a little bummed that he's not coming back to Seattle.  :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 17, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
im bummed hes coming to Atlanta.  :yuck
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 05:30:14 PM
Rays in WS again.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2009, 05:34:07 PM
im bummed hes coming to Atlanta.  :yuck

Oh, it's not like he'll be healthy for most of the season anyhow.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
Also why hasnt GAF unbanned me yet, I mean I did correctly predict the WS.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 06:00:00 PM
I mean the 2008 baseball season
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 17, 2009, 06:11:04 PM
sylar join the eb fantasy league
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 06:11:51 PM
link it up.

You guys should talk to wellington and get me unbanned or let me post in MLB GAF only for this next season :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 06:14:30 PM
Oh you have to PM him, but lepers can't pm :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 17, 2009, 06:15:24 PM
what's the point. half of mlb gaf is banned and the good posters are here anyway  ::)

unless you're really dying for 2 and a half months of frankwoman's anime
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 17, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
No one posted here last year once the season started :( Plus I was gyped out of 2 ban bets on Malek and Y2Kev's heads.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 08:07:43 AM
YEAH!! Brewers brought back Gagne!!

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 03:20:09 PM
http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/18739891/detail.html

What the fuck is up with Griffey? Is he trying to drag this out to make it look he really wanted to play for Seattle again or something?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 18, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
http://www.wsbtv.com/sports/18739891/detail.html

What the fuck is up with Griffey? Is he trying to drag this out to make it look he really wanted to play for Seattle again or something?

A comment on the site speculates that Griffey is possibly trying to use the Braves to milk the Mariners for a little bit more, or vice versa.

Either way, just get this over with. Its getting tiresome to see the daily, getting more frequent, conflicting reports.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 04:01:02 PM
I honestly don't care either way, because if we have Griffey he's likely to be injured most of the time and platooning when he's not, and if we don't get him it's not like there's anyone else out there that we can pursue at this point.  Should have spent five million on Abreu, stupid cheap ass Liberty Media spending half a billion on Sirius XM...
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 05:04:08 PM
Yeah that shit pissed me off. Fuck Liberty and fuck Selig.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 18, 2009, 06:19:22 PM
I'm glad i'm not a fan of the mariners. That way I don't have to jerk off to paying money for our mascot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 08:36:15 PM
Wow, Griffey is coming back to Seattle...
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 08:47:21 PM
Haha, that's hilarious.  So, this offseason, the following has happened to the Braves:

-screwed up trading for Jake Peavy after he said the Braves were one of the teams he'd go to (this admittedly is more the fault of Padres GM Kevin Towers, who had unrealistic expectations on what he could get for Peavy)
-failed to sign AJ Burnett.  He ended up signing with the Yankees for less than 1 million/year average than the Braves offered him.
-failed/screwed up signing Rafael Furcal, who ended up going back to the Dodgers for 1 million more per year than the Braves offered
-lost Smoltz to the Red Sox when we wouldn't guarantee him 5 million (can't say I really blame us all that much on that one)
-didn't sign ANY outfielders even after they became dirt cheap.  there's really no excuse for not signing Bobby Abreu to a one year deal worth 5-6 million when he signed for less than that.
-lost out on signing Griffey, which again I don't really mind but it would have been SOMETHING

4th place here we come.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 18, 2009, 08:54:44 PM
So, MLB.com is hinting that the AJC story that broke yesterday played a part in the decision to go back to Seattle.

Quote
Griffey's negotiations with the Braves were moving at a steady pace until Tuesday afternoon, when the veteran outfielder learned of a report in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution which indicated he'd already decided to play in Atlanta.

Since then, Griffey had limited contact with the Braves.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 09:05:21 PM
I was wondering about that. The Mariners weren't saying anything at all until it became official. Maybe that helped in our favor?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 09:59:12 PM
Mariners president Chuck Armstrong is on Seattle Sports Radio KJR right now. Apparently Harold Reynolds and Willie Mays were instrumental in getting Griffey to sign with Seattle.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 10:00:49 PM
Well fuck, where the hell was Hank Aaron?  Fucking Braves.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 18, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
I hear the Mariners are also trying to sign Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 18, 2009, 10:07:00 PM
And Pete Rose.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
I hear the Mariners are also trying to sign Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.

They'd be better than 85% of our team in their current condition!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 10:08:37 PM
God damn it. Fuck Wren. I was gonna buy a Griffey jersey too.  :-\
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 10:09:27 PM
God damn it. Fuck Wren. I was gonna buy a Griffey jersey too.  :-\

My old Griffey jersey from junior high school doesn't fit anymore, I will definitely go out and get a new one!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 10:10:55 PM
God damn it. Fuck Wren. I was gonna buy a Griffey jersey too.  :-\

You should get a Kawakami jersey, I bet he can talk to the suburbs.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
 :lol

I bet he can't speak english.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 18, 2009, 10:19:56 PM
I hear the Mariners are also trying to sign Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.

They'd be better than 85% of our team in their current condition!

dont tell bluemax or he's going to UZR your ass.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 18, 2009, 10:27:15 PM
I hear the Mariners are also trying to sign Willie Mays and Hank Aaron.

They'd be better than 85% of our team in their current condition!

dont tell bluemax or he's going to UZR your ass.

I'm a lifelong diehard M's fan, I've been there for them in good years and all the horrible ones. No one should be kidding themselves, we're not a good team. We have some great components, but they're not working together.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 19, 2009, 09:50:07 AM
Good riddance to Old Man Griff

Trade for Swisher and go for it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 23, 2009, 04:45:38 AM
2 more days till spring training games! who else is excited
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2009, 09:23:43 AM
Ugh, Garret Anderson.   :yuck
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 23, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Waste of 2.5million.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 23, 2009, 12:46:14 PM
could be worse, you could have gotten Griffey
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 23, 2009, 01:06:05 PM
Might as well get Kenny Lofton.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 24, 2009, 08:58:25 AM
could be worse, you could have gotten Griffey

Griff can at least hit a homer once in a while. anderson cant even do that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 09:01:25 AM
Set my DVR to tape the spring training game on tv tomorrow.

:fistpump

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 05:46:44 PM
Did a roto mock draft for shits n' giggles, read 'em and weap ladies.

C Brian McCann
1B Carlos Delgado (ew, a Met)
2B Robinson Cano
3B Evan Longoria
SS Jimmy Rollins
OF Jermaine Dye
OF Jayson Werth
OF Rick Ankiel
UT Pat Burrell
BN Yunel Escobar
BN Clint Barmes
BN Mark Teahen

SP Brandon Webb
SP Roy Halladay
SP Derek Lowe
SP Gil Meche
RP Joe Nathan
RP Jose Valverde
RP Brian Fuentes
RP Trevor Hoffman
RP Grant Balfour

:rock
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 25, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
I feel like my mind is stuck in 2006. I can't seem to will myself to draft players like Scott Baker, Liriano or Nolasco just cause.
1. David Wright (NYM - 3B)
2. Lance Berkman (Hou - 1B)
3. CC Sabathia (NYY - SP)
4. Kevin Youkilis (Bos - 1B,3B)
5. Roy Halladay (Tor - SP)
6. Nate McLouth (Pit - OF)
7. Jay Bruce (Cin - OF)
8. Scott Kazmir (TB - SP)
9. James Shields (TB - SP)
10. Joey Votto (Cin - 1B)
11. Milton Bradley (ChC - OF)
12. Mike Aviles (KC - 2B,SS)
13. Chris Young (SD - SP)
14. Matt Garza (TB - SP)
15. Jorge Posada (NYY - C)
16. Heath Bell (SD - RP)
17. Joel Hanrahan (Was - RP)
18. Fausto Carmona (Cle - SP)
19. Yunel Escobar (Atl - SS)
20. Kenshin Kawakami (Atl - SP)
21. Shaun Marcum (Tor - SP)

Yahoo mock drafts suck. Holy shit, would it kill them to have more than 10 rooms drafting per hour?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 10:02:56 AM
I dunno if I would touch Milton Bradley. All of his nagging day-to-day injuries are a pain in the ass.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 25, 2009, 10:58:48 AM
and his numbers were probably inflated in that sandbox huh. good point.

I value good hitters despite their potential risk. Here's another one:

1. Miguel Cabrera (Det - 1B,3B)
2. Carlos Quentin (CWS - OF)
3. Manny Ramírez (LAD - OF)
4. Jake Peavy (SD - SP)
5. Roy Halladay (Tor - SP)
6. Chipper Jones (Atl - 3B)
7. Ryan Ludwick (StL - OF)
8. Ryan Doumit (Pit - C)
9. James Shields (TB - SP)
10. Mike Aviles (KC - 2B,SS)
11. Chris Young (SD - SP)
12. Adrián Béltre (Sea - 3B)
13. Matt Garza (TB - SP)
14. Erik Bedard (Sea - SP)
15. Chien-Ming Wang (NYY - SP)
16. Frank Francisco (Tex - RP)
17. Plácido Polanco (Det - 2B)
18. Orlando Hudson (LAD - 2B)
19. Jair Jurrjens (Atl - SP)
20. Jose Arredondo (LAA - RP)
21. Fausto Carmona (Cle - SP)

They had a run on fucking closers so I was stuck with Arredumbo and Frank Francisco. I accidentally drafted Hudson thinking someone else had drafted Polanco. Stupid.

My pitchers are stocked though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 11:15:09 AM

Take a good hard look at Shin Soo Choo. From the All-Star break on last year, he was top 5 in OPS for the entire league. Early reports is that he is still smoking balls in practice and inter-squad games. I think he is still way under the radar for most fans and you should be able to get him late in the draft.

I dunno about Carmona. His K rate is way down, he has control issues and he came into camp overweight. But if you can get him as your last pick, it's worth a shot.

 
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 25, 2009, 02:28:45 PM

Take a good hard look at Shin Soo Choo. From the All-Star break on last year, he was top 5 in OPS for the entire league. Early reports is that he is still smoking balls in practice and inter-squad games. I think he is still way under the radar for most fans and you should be able to get him late in the draft.

I'm still upset we traded him away.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 02:44:02 PM
Andy Marte cleared waivers today. :lol Wow. Has a top 20 prospect ever fallen so fast?

I'm so sick of talking about the guy, I wish he would go away. Now he will be taking AB's away from guys in Columbus.



Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 02:49:49 PM
Who'd we get for him again?  Edgar Renteria?  Well, Rents had a couple of good seasons for us, and then we turned him into Jair Jurrjens..  Seems worth it!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 25, 2009, 03:58:25 PM
I think Andy is a lot older than he says he is.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 08:07:48 PM
Did another mock draft.

1. Ryan Howard (Phi - 1B)
2. Jimmy Rollins (Phi - SS)
3. Brandon Phillips (Cin - 2B)
4. Vladimir Guerrero (LAA - OF)
5. Jake Peavy (SD - SP)
6. Geovany Soto (ChC - C)
7. Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP)
8. Chad Billingsley (LAD - SP)
9. Ervin Santana (LAA - SP)
10. Bobby Abreu (LAA - OF)
11. José Valverde (Hou - RP)
12. Jayson Werth (Phi - OF)
13. Mike González (Atl - RP)
14. Zack Greinke (KC - SP)
15. Heath Bell (SD - RP)
16. Torii Hunter (LAA - OF)
17. Jorge Cantú (Fla - 1B,3B)
18. Trevor Hoffman (Mil - RP)
19. Felipe López (Ari - 2B,3B,SS,OF)
20. Shin-Soo Choo (Cle - OF)
21. Delmon Young (Min - OF)

Think I've got a more balanced offense from this one.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 26, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
yeah. better team overall
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 26, 2009, 12:08:42 PM
Did another mock draft.

1. Ryan Howard (Phi - 1B)
2. Jimmy Rollins (Phi - SS)
3. Brandon Phillips (Cin - 2B)
4. Vladimir Guerrero (LAA - OF)
5. Jake Peavy (SD - SP)
6. Geovany Soto (ChC - C)
7. Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP)
8. Chad Billingsley (LAD - SP)
9. Ervin Santana (LAA - SP)
10. Bobby Abreu (LAA - OF)
11. José Valverde (Hou - RP)
12. Jayson Werth (Phi - OF)
13. Mike González (Atl - RP)
14. Zack Greinke (KC - SP)
15. Heath Bell (SD - RP)
16. Torii Hunter (LAA - OF)
17. Jorge Cantú (Fla - 1B,3B)
18. Trevor Hoffman (Mil - RP)
19. Felipe López (Ari - 2B,3B,SS,OF)
20. Shin-Soo Choo (Cle - OF)
21. Delmon Young (Min - OF)

Think I've got a more balanced offense from this one.

Hope batting avg or batter strikeouts are not counted in ur league.

A friend and I play in a league with all that stuff set. Makes having someone like Howard hurt as much as help.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 27, 2009, 09:05:58 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/26/dodgers.ramirez.ap/index.html

hmm...  I wish Manny realized how much this hurts his public image to keep rejecting these offers, especially in this economy.  Or is this more Boras trying to get Manny a contract like Tex considering he used Manny to jack Tex's price up.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
You make the mistake of thinking Manny cares.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 27, 2009, 09:34:29 AM
You make the mistake of thinking Manny cares.

 :lol :lol This is true. It IS Manny.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
My league had its draft last night. But, I was unable to participate in the first 10 rounds or so because of class. Had my buddy pick for me until I got out. Instructed him to only pick the best available pitcher each round. Figured there are a lot less good pitchers than hitters and the strategy would allow me to trade for hitters later. Keep in mind this is a 14 team league, so the talent is a lot more spread out. Somehow though nobody wanting pitching. My staff is sick.

SP Daisuke Matsuzaka BOS (keeper from last season)
SP Jake Peavy SD
SP Rich Harden CHC
SP Chad Billingsly LAD
SP John Lackey LAA
SP Matt Garza TB
SP Andy Sonnanstine TB
SP Tommy Hanson ATL
RP Joe Nathan MIN
RP Francisco Cordero CIN

C Bengie Molina SF
C Jarrod Saltalamacchia TEX
1B Prince Fielder MIL (keeper from last season)
2B Chase Utley PHI (keeper from last season)
SS Ryan Theriot CHC
3B Carlos Guillen DET
OF Andre Ethier LAD
OF Nelson Cruz TEX
OF Delmon Young MIN
OF Jeff Francoeur ATL
OF Jordan Schaffer ATL

Any recommendations?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
Get rid of Hanson and Schaefer asap is my recommendation.  They'll be taking up roster spots until mid-season at best, might as well find someone else willing to take a flier on them and get something (anything) useful in return.

Other than that, for a 14 team league that's a pretty good team.  Roto or head to head?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 10:29:06 PM
Its head to head.

You're probably right about those two. I may just get rid of Jordan though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on February 27, 2009, 11:35:24 PM
Id get rid of Frenchy myself.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 11:42:22 PM
Id get rid of Frenchy myself.

Meh, it's a 14 team league and Frenchy is his 4th OF.  Plus it's not like he could be WORSE than last year... right?  Right?

 :-\
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 28, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
That's what I'm banking on.

It'll be interesting to see how long he lasts if he gets off to a rough start though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on March 03, 2009, 01:19:25 PM
Jeter grounding into a DP. Typical.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 04, 2009, 09:21:09 PM
Griffey's back in an M's uniform! Got a walk from the Aussie pitcher.

:hyper
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 09:25:32 PM
Griffey's back in an M's uniform! Got a walk from the Aussie pitcher.

:hyper

Did he pull a hamstring trotting to first?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 04, 2009, 09:31:37 PM
Griffey's back in an M's uniform! Got a walk from the Aussie pitcher.

:hyper

Did he pull a hamstring trotting to first?

 :lol

Don't say that, you know it will happen now.

He made it down to third base.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
Alex Rodriguez Has a Torn Labia

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aYnLHHzX3mkc&refer=home (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aYnLHHzX3mkc&refer=home)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2009, 03:37:03 AM
C- Victor Martinez
1B - Giambi
2b - Pedroia
SS - Hanley Ramirez
3b - Aramis Ramirez

OF - Nady
OF - Ankiel
OF - Church
DH - Pat Burrell

SP - Webb
SP - Kazmir

RP - Mariano
RP - Fr. Cordero

P - Danks
P - Guthrie
P - Jurrjens

P - Cueto
RP - Street
P - Meche
P - Galarraga
RP - Scott Shields



Pretty good draft. Not crazy about Giambi or Burrell .. but I put a higher value on pitching for this try.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on March 09, 2009, 01:26:34 PM
seems pretty solid tho, and if all those pitchers perform well, u can always trade one for something u need later on. Thats a problem alot of people have, they go all out on hitting, but suck at pitching.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 09, 2009, 10:10:24 PM
Anyone else watching the Netherlands-Puerto Rico game? Wow!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on March 18, 2009, 02:08:28 PM
Just did a mock draft. Here's what I ended up with. I drafted 6th of 10 btw.

C:  Ryan Doumit
1B: Aubrey Huff
2B: Chase Utley
SS: J.J. Hardy
3B: Adrian Beltre
OF: Manny Ramirez
OF: Grady Sizemore
OF: Jermaine Dye
UT: Corey Hart
SP: Roy Halliday
SP: Brandon Webb
RP: Joe Nathan
RP: Brad Lidge
P:  Cole Hamels
P:  Brian Fuentes
P:  Joakim Soria
B:  Jorge Cantu
B:  Milton Bradley
B:  Mike Aviles
B:  Xavier Nady
B:  A.J. Pierzynski

Not too bad I think.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 09:57:19 PM
Hey MLB fans, I ran across a free Beta of an MLB game last night.

http://www.mlbdugoutheroes.com/

[youtube=560,345]HriRRRtBZpk[/youtube]

It has online play and uses real MLB teams/players. Graphics and gameplay is similar to Power Pros. It seems very hitter friendly. My lone game ended up being 8-6 (3 inning game). Maybe I had the difficulty level on too low.

It's worth a try out if you are in the mood for an actiony type of game. Maybe it can become something special down the road. The PC needs more baseball games.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 10:01:44 PM
Oh, and Fantasy Baseball Alert:

EB head to head league drafts tomorrow at 1 pm eastern
EB roto league drafts Sunday at 1 pm eastern

Make sure you make it on time, bitches.  I'm sure the chat room will be a comical place.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 10:03:32 PM
Yea, I just noticed that. I better fill out my draft card just in case.


Someone better put a reminder in the gaf thread.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2009, 10:08:37 PM
I'm in the midst of cramming for exams and haven't done any research for the draft.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 10:17:23 PM
Yea, I just noticed that. I better fill out my draft card just in case.


Someone better put a reminder in the gaf thread.

Well, that someone is gonna have to be someone who isn't banned over there, which is like... man, I dunno.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2009, 10:36:43 PM
done

edit: a great way to not get banned from gaf is to only post once or twice a month.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 10:44:36 PM
Thanks malek


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on March 21, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
or post exclusively in the mlb thread.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2009, 11:40:04 AM
The draft is in two hours and twenty minutes.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2009, 01:38:18 PM
draft starts in 20
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 01:39:02 PM
woot!  Third pick.  I generally like picking towards the end of the first round but I'll take my chances at 3rd.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 21, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Is it supposed to take forever to load? I keep getting hung up right before it finishes loading ..



mother fucker


I've tried IE and Chrome

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 01:48:43 PM
it took a while for it to load for me, but i'm using firefox
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2009, 01:52:21 PM
It took like five minutes for me in firefox
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 21, 2009, 01:54:55 PM
made it in..

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 03:43:19 PM
Probably one of the worst offenses I've ever drafted... meh.  Pitching is pretty solid, tho.

C Chris Ianetta
1B Derrek Lee
2B Brandon Phillips
3B Melvin Mora
SS Jose Reyes
OF Manny Ramirez
OF Jayson Werth
OF Shin-Soo Choo
UT Rick Ankiel

SP Brandon Webb
SP Chad Billingsley
RP Papelbon
RP Joe Nathan
P Ervin Santana
P Derek Lowe
P Mike Gonzalez
P Gavin Floyd
P Chris Volstad
P John Smoltz
P Paul Maholm
P Wandy Rodriguez
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on March 21, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
1.     (1)     Hanley Ramírez     SS
2.    (24)    Álex Rodríguez    3B
3.    (25)    Carlos Quentin    OF
4.    (48)    Jake Peavy    SP
5.    (49)    Adrián González    1B
6.    (72)    Josh Beckett    SP
7.    (73)    Ryan Ludwick    OF
8.    (96)    Matt Wieters    C
9.    (97)    Bobby Abreu    OF
10.    (120)    Mark DeRosa    2B,3B,OF
11.    (121)    Jorge Cantú    1B,3B
12.    (144)    Heath Bell    RP
13.    (145)    Erik Bedard    SP
14.    (168)    Adam Jones    OF
15.    (169)    Joel Hanrahan    RP
16.    (192)    Chris Carpenter    SP
17.    (193)    Frank Francisco    RP
18.    (216)    Mark Buehrle    SP
19.    (217)    Brandon Lyon    RP
20.    (240)    Jesse Litsch    SP
21.    (241)    A.J. Pierzynski    C

let's just say I'm going to be a "second half" team...
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 21, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
I got Kelly Johnson in my team  :-[
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
I got Kelly Johnson in my team  :-[

You stole McCann from me!  :wag
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Alex Anderson on March 21, 2009, 04:07:28 PM
1.     (7)     Ryan Howard
2.    (18)    Carlos Beltrán
3.    (31)    Matt Kemp
4.    (42)    Alexei Ramírez
5.    (55)    Chris Davis
6.    (66)    Dan Uggla
7.    (79)    Yovani Gallardo
8.    (90)    Raúl Ibañez
9.    (103)    Jon Lester
10.    (114)    Javier Vázquez
11.    (127)    Pablo Sandoval
12.    (138)    Johnny Damon
13.    (151)    Chad Qualls
14.    (162)    Max Scherzer
15.    (175)    Nelson Cruz
16.    (186)    Gil Meche
17.    (199)    Kevin Gregg
18.    (210)    Kelvim Escobar
19.    (223)    Jason Motte
20.    (234)    Troy Percival
21.    (247)    Miguel Batista

Ryan Howard, ladies and gentlemen :slowclap. I'm expecting a lot from five hitters with the combined experience of one guy who is still arbitration eligible. Also, there's some guys that might close.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2009, 05:13:27 PM
Winnipeg Lumberjacks

Round    Pick    Player    Position
1.    (09)    Chase Utley    2B
2.    (16)    Lance Berkman    1B
3.    (33)    Cole Hamels    SP
4.    (40)    Aramis Ramírez    3B
5.    (57)    Geovany Soto    C
6.    (64)    Troy Tulowitzki    SS
7.    (81)    Magglio Ordóñez    OF
8.    (88)    Jermaine Dye    OF
9.    (105)    A.J. Burnett    SP
10.    (112)    Carlos Zambrano    SP
11.    (129)    Kerry Wood    RP
12.    (136)    Torii Hunter    OF
13.    (153)    Matt Capps    RP
14.    (160)    John Danks    SP
15.    (177)    Ted Lilly    SP
16.    (184)    Brad Hawpe    OF
17.    (201)    Adrián Béltre    3B
18.    (208)    Jim Thome    Util
19.    (225)    Mark Reynolds    3B
20.    (232)    Justin Duchscherer    SP
21.    (249)    Aaron Hill    2B
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 22, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
A friend of mine will be drafting for me tomorow.

Was either that or delete the team

ill say this im not expecting much out of that team. Hes not a real huge baseball fan and has played fantasy baseball once. Had to give him a crash course in Fantasy 101.  :-\
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 01:33:27 PM
27 minutes!

picking 9th, not too shabby
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 22, 2009, 01:51:51 PM
Does everyone sleep in on the weekends?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 22, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
Manitoba Misery
1.    (07)    Ryan Braun
2.    (18)    Evan Longoria
3.    (31)    Brandon Webb
4.    (42)    Joe Mauer
5.    (55)    Rafael Furcal
6.    (66)    Magglio Ordóñez
7.    (79)    Chris Davis
8.    (90)    James Shields
9.    (103)    A.J. Burnett
10.    (114)    Howie Kendrick
11.    (127)    Torii Hunter
12.    (138)    Zack Greinke
13.    (151)    Joey Devine
14.    (162)    Kevin Slowey
15.    (175)    Adrián Béltre
16.    (186)    Chris Young
17.    (199)    Justin Upton
18.    (210)    Kazuo Matsui
19.    (223)    Orlando Cabrera
20.    (234)    Hiroki Kuroda
21.    (247)    J.P. Howell
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 03:39:45 PM
1.     (9)     Ryan Howard     1B
2.    (16)    Alfonso Soriano    OF
3.    (33)    Brian Roberts    2B
4.    (40)    Brian McCann    C
5.    (57)    Shane Victorino    OF
6.    (64)    Joe Nathan    RP
7.    (81)    Roy Oswalt    SP
8.    (88)    Joakim Soria    RP
9.    (105)    Daisuke Matsuzaka    SP
10.    (112)    Jonathan Broxton    RP
11.    (129)    Matt Capps    RP
12.    (136)    Derek Lowe    SP
13.    (153)    Pat Burrell    OF
14.    (160)    Carlos Delgado    1B
15.    (177)    Jorge Cantú    1B,3B
16.    (184)    Chris Carpenter    SP
17.    (201)    Dan Wheeler    RP
18.    (208)    Yunel Escobar    SS
19.    (225)    Jeff Francoeur    OF
20.    (232)    Felipe López    2B,3B,SS,OF
21.    (249)    Dioner Navarro    C

More satisfied with this team overall.  This is the roto league- I went with my usual "four starters/five relievers" pitching strategy.  But I'm also much happier with my offense this time around.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 22, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
Shields for Soria or

Burnett for Broxton
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
lol no
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 22, 2009, 03:54:02 PM
lol no

Stolen bases and saves are overrated.
 :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 22, 2009, 06:37:01 PM
How was my team? Im afraid to look
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on March 22, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
I think Konex forgot he had a fantasy team.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
Konex NEVER shows for drafts, ugh.  What a maroon.

Grecco- you ended up with the first pick, so you got Hanley.  Your team's not BAD per se... just not as good as my team of trained assassins.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 22, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
He called me at work when McCann was picked. I totally knew it was you too.  :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
MINE.

McCann in the fourth isn't that much of a reach, honestly.  Then again, imo catcher is deeper than SS this season, so I kind of had to make a tough choice.  But McCann is worth it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 09:27:22 PM
Quote
BRAVE NEW WORLD: Scouts can't stop buzzing about the Braves' young talent, especially dazzling 19-year-old outfield stud Jason Heyward. Here's one typical review: "Looks like Darryl Strawberry -- only with more bat speed." And another: "Cross between Fred McGriff and Dave Parker." And another, less serious review: "I think he needs to work on his size." OK, maybe not. Heyward is 6-foot-4, 220 pounds worth of monstrosity.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3996672&name=stark_jayson (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3996672&name=stark_jayson)

masturbates furiously

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ManaByte on March 24, 2009, 09:54:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-strasburg032409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Quote
SAN DIEGO – The radar gun blinks wildly. It’s not used to this. No one makes it strain to read out a third digit. It looks like binary code, not the speed of a pitch from a 20-year-old kid: 101.

It keeps showing up, 101 again and again, and as scouts peek at the number, they ask aloud what everyone else in the baseball world wonders: Will Stephen Strasburg someday throw a baseball harder than anyone has before?

Two men holding radar guns as well as his pitching coach said he has touched 103 mph this season. Only three others have done that, and all were major league relief pitchers, not juniors in college. Strasburg is a starter for San Diego State, and his velocity levels off in triple digits, something never seen, not from Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson or any of the modern fireballers since the advent of the radar gun.

So how many trucks full of money will the Yankees be sending to San Diego?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 10:00:52 PM
Uh, it doesn't matter how many trucks of money they send, since the kid has to get drafted and the Yankees won't be picking in the first 10 picks.  Or really first pick- the Nationals will pony up for him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2009, 10:44:39 PM
Woohooo another great white hype to root against. Show me your Van Poppels!

::strokes evil beard::


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 12:35:11 AM
Velocity is so overrated.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2009, 12:42:35 AM
Not if he has a 92-94 mph cutter to go with it. Then it's devastating.



edit: just watched the videos. He needs better command of that breaking ball. If I were a hitter, I would just sit fastball and let anything  crooked go on by.


Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2009, 12:42:45 AM
Velocity is so overrated.

Read the article, tho- dude's got a pretty bad ass slurve that he throws in the high 80's and a changeup.

But yeah, he'll probably flame out before he hits the majors.  In baseball, the best way to miss having a successful major league career seems to be getting labeled a "can't miss prospect".
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 01:18:27 AM
He looked better than I expected. His fastball has some nice run in on the righties and that slider falls off the table. He's really big, so that bodes well for his longevity. Delivery looks a bit clumsy. Big guys have a tendancy to look like that though. Lots of parts to get moving.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 25, 2009, 09:05:52 AM
That Strarsburg kid? even if he flames out you still have to pick him, the chance that hes the next Clemens/Gooden is too big to pass on.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on March 25, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
That Strarsburg kid? even if he flames out you still have to pick him, the chance that hes the next Clemens/Gooden is too big to pass on.

This.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on March 25, 2009, 01:56:02 PM
at 6/50 you think you dirty poors can afford him?

he'll be a yank.  :D
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: T234 on March 25, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-strasburg032409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Quote
SAN DIEGO – The radar gun blinks wildly. It’s not used to this. No one makes it strain to read out a third digit. It looks like binary code, not the speed of a pitch from a 20-year-old kid: 101.

It keeps showing up, 101 again and again, and as scouts peek at the number, they ask aloud what everyone else in the baseball world wonders: Will Stephen Strasburg someday throw a baseball harder than anyone has before?

Two men holding radar guns as well as his pitching coach said he has touched 103 mph this season. Only three others have done that, and all were major league relief pitchers, not juniors in college. Strasburg is a starter for San Diego State, and his velocity levels off in triple digits, something never seen, not from Nolan Ryan or Randy Johnson or any of the modern fireballers since the advent of the radar gun.

So how many trucks full of money will the Yankees be sending to San Diego?


Kenny Powers 2.0
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2009, 06:37:56 PM
Braves trade Josh Anderson to the Tigers, opening up the way for Jordan Schafer to start in CF. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AimxctnWEjB_SeL74AUI6qWpu7YF?slug=ap-braves-tigerstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Man, I can only hope that this trade works out half as well as the Renteria for Jurrjens trade.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
From what I remember of Anderson, he was a role player at best.

The Schafer era has begun. NL pitchers will get to see what its like to face the next Grady Sizemore.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 30, 2009, 09:53:14 PM
Thank goodness we got rid of Anderson. Juan Pierre with less money.

Schafer Era :) My Fantasy Baseball teams are looking so much better.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on March 31, 2009, 11:10:19 AM
I might need to go pick Shafer up then in my fantasy leagues as a reserve. If he does really well he'll get a full time spot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2009, 01:30:00 PM
Braves sign Chipper to a 3 year extension with an option for 2013. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Avis3PbB1LUsiCp5mVhAdA05nYcB?slug=ap-braves-jones&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Well, this pretty much guarantees that he retires as a Brave. 

:bow Larry :bow2

Also, looks like Sheff has been released by the Tigres. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ai9UiE2DbZxmo5Fc6Qr9esCpu7YF?slug=jp-sheffieldcut033109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

He's sitting at 499 hrs but has sucked for the past couple years.  Someone will pick him up to DH, probably.  This helps Josh Anderson's chances of playing, as Magglio will likely DH now.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on March 31, 2009, 07:09:37 PM
Start Anderson everyday? Yuck.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2009, 07:10:29 PM
Start Anderson everyday? Yuck.

Where'd that come from?  I'm sure Bobby is dumb enough to try it, but Anderson will fall apart anyhow.

Oops, you're talking about Josh Anderson I think.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on April 01, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
I keep trying to propose Ludwick for Hart and Konex keeps ignoring me. Check your fantasy team KONEX
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2009, 11:24:41 AM
Pirates split squad loses game to Manatee Community College.  For real. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Manatee-Community-College-forces-Pirates-to-walk;_ylt=AkCdfFcfqLz4geWvb9A6IeIRvLYF?urn=mlb,152646)

They should have relegation like in the EPL.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:27:47 AM
The Pirates lost to the Manatees? :lol

The AP photo is even better:

(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__23/ept_sports_mlb_experts-250941490-1238723058.jpg?ymy3vCBDapnBmJtl)

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Grecco on April 03, 2009, 11:45:56 AM
Start Anderson everyday? Yuck.

Where'd that come from?  I'm sure Bobby is dumb enough to try it, but Anderson will fall apart anyhow.

Oops, you're talking about Josh Anderson I think.

talking about anderson josh, but anderson garret sucks alot too  :'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 10:51:21 PM
Who's starting the official thread?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 05, 2009, 12:51:05 PM
M's signed Chone Figgins to a 4-year, $36 million dollar contract.

Also, the Jason Bay to Seattle rumors won't die. Truth?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2009, 01:56:37 PM
Braves just signed a couple of really old relievers.   :-\
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
The 10 worst baseball contracts of the past decade. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/The-10-worst-baseball-contracts-of-the-2000s;_ylt=Ar.c.31tOhuP66nEDz9Tyqs5nYcB?urn=mlb,206780)

I was disappointed to see only one Mariner on there.  Bavasi did a lot to earn more spots on that list!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 05, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
Bavasi should be the entire top ten list.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 05, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Wells should be first. He's a below replacement level player with a 120 million dollar contract.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 05, 2009, 04:46:16 PM
I forgot Hampton's contract was that huge.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on December 05, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Didn't the Braves manage to keep alot of that off their paybooks for a while too?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2009, 04:20:06 AM
Didn't the Braves manage to keep alot of that off their paybooks for a while too?

Yeah, the first couple of years Hampton was on the Braves, Florida and Colorado paid most of his salary if I remember correctly.  Florida's contribution ended after a couple of years and Hampton promptly got injured, which means that some insurance policy the Braves had on him paid a good portion of his salary for all those seasons he missed.  Still, fuck Mike Hampton.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 06, 2009, 04:24:25 AM
Chone Figgins, Rich Harden and Jason Bay to the M's? Interesting, but I doubt we'll get all three of 'em.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 06, 2009, 11:45:43 PM
The Rays will once again be a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 14, 2009, 08:23:48 PM
Mariners got Cliff Lee in a trade that sent Phillppe Aumont, Michael Saunders and Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays, Roy Hallady to the Red Sox and some other stuff that I don't really care about.

:rock
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 14, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
I feel like the trade really isn't set yet. The conflicting reports over the past few hours have been ridiculous. And Red Sox, dude? :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 08:28:42 PM
Mariners got Cliff Lee in a trade that sent Phillppe Aumont, Michael Saunders and Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays, Roy Hallady to the Red Sox and some other stuff that I don't really care about.

:rock

:wag

Roy Halladay is going to the PHILLIES.  Red Sox signed Jon Lackey.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 14, 2009, 08:30:33 PM
In other huge news, the Mets signed KELVIM ESCOBAR to a minor-league deal. :rock





:-\
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 14, 2009, 08:32:57 PM
Mariners got Cliff Lee in a trade that sent Phillppe Aumont, Michael Saunders and Brandon Morrow to the Blue Jays, Roy Hallady to the Red Sox and some other stuff that I don't really care about.

:rock

:wag

Roy Halladay is going to the PHILLIES.  Red Sox signed Jon Lackey.

Thank you for correcting me. But honestly, I don't give a fuck cause THE MARINERS ARE GETTING CLIFF LEE FUCK YEAH SUCK IT AL WEST!!!!

:rock
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 08:44:53 PM
It's like a double swing for you guys too, cause the Angels are losing John Lackey.  If the Angels are listening, the Braves will gladly trade you Derek Lower for a pack of cigarettes.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 15, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
In other huge news, the Mets signed KELVIM ESCOBAR to a minor-league deal. :rock





:-\

Figures. Two former Blue Jay pitchers get moved and the Mets get the Hispanic one.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2009, 03:40:56 PM
Ozzie is gonna flip out after he's been gifted with both Andruw Jones AND Juan Pierre. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlW9VWfHv.sUZm4VRgm_1tM5nYcB?slug=ti-pierrewhitesox121509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 16, 2009, 10:32:06 AM
Is this deal ever getting finalized?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Carlos Silva is gone!!

 :elephant
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT COCKSHIT FUCKBUGGER (http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/braves-trade-vazquez-to-251949.html)

Really.  MELKY CABRERA.  For Vazquez.  This is such bullshit.  Fuck the Braves.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 22, 2009, 11:23:21 AM
The Yankees are raping everyone, what the fuck.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 22, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
You can't convince me that the Mets are a better run organization than the Nationals.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 22, 2009, 12:30:40 PM
Mets:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/27zi81f.jpg)

(Stolen from the GAF thread...too bad demi doesn't come in this thread)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 22, 2009, 12:32:07 PM
Cashman :ninja :pimp :gun Niggaz
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
You can't convince me that the Mets are a better run organization than the Nationals.

Hey, please don't insult the Nationals. We have actually cleaned our house, hired a decent GM and are currently attempting to build our farm system (depleted upon arrival thanks to the Mets' shithead GM).
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 22, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
Yet you'll still be in last place for the foreseeable future.

It's nice to be able to say that as a Rays fan.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Probably another year or two, until Strasburg develops into an ace. There have some talented position players, but the Lerners aren't going to spend any money - and rightly so - until they can develop the foundation of a decent pitching staff with homegrown talent. I much prefer to do it this way than to spend like Uncle Pennybags and acquire a bunch of high-priced talent that yields only the potential to maybe get a wild card spot.

I think the MLB is moving closer towards a salary cap anyway. I mean, a sports league where one or two clubs can sign or trade for any player they want, with spare parts like Melky Cabrera, is unsustainable - unless the MLB wants to contract the AL and NL down to four teams.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on December 22, 2009, 10:34:20 PM
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT COCKSHIT FUCKBUGGER (http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/braves-trade-vazquez-to-251949.html)

Really.  MELKY CABRERA.  For Vazquez.  This is such bullshit.  Fuck the Braves.




sigh. Braves making stupid moves already.

Seriously, trade Lowe and eat some of the salary. Why trade ur best pitcher away for Melky Cabrera?

 :maf :maf :maf :maf
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 11:46:13 PM
Well, the thinking now is that they might either be a) packaging melkdud and some prospects together for a bat or b) made the move now because they're about to sign a bat in the non-Bay/Holliday category.  I sure hope so, because I really don't see why you would go ahead and trade Vazquez now for THAT when you could almost surely get a better deal closer to the season.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 11:51:06 PM
Nats signed Marquis today for 2yr/$15 mil.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2009, 12:07:21 AM
Nats signed Marquis today for 2yr/$15 mil.

Congrats, you might win 70 games this year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:10:00 AM
Hey, we signed Pudge too! And we are likely going to land Capps to shore up our bullpen.

... at least they are solid signings.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2009, 12:19:13 AM
Marquis is a good middle of the rotation starter and Capps is alright.  Pudge is old and washed up, tho.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:24:09 AM
He's the backup. He's supposed to be mentoring our young guys.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
Might as well have signed Paul LoDuca.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 12:27:31 AM
This is hilarious "He currently is an analyst for the TVG Network analyzing horse races."  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:27:33 AM
I believe the Nats did sign LoDuca at one point, but it may have been a fever dream.

There are worse backups than Pudge, though.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2009, 11:49:10 AM
So apparently the Brave just went and signed Troy Glaus to be our 1b.  I guess if he's healthy he can certainly hit homers, but that's a big if.  Plus he's normally a 3b so our defense is gonna suffer in a big way.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:05:17 PM
Wait, you gave me grief that the Nationals signed Pudge as a backup and then you post that Braves have signed Troy Glaus - who played a grand total of 14 games last season after arthoscopic surgery - as their starter?

I mean at least Dunn hits like 40 HRs (and that's in a pitcher's ballpark) and he's like five years younger than Glaus.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2009, 12:43:41 PM
Where in my post did you read me saying it was a good thing?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
True. And to be fair, all you had to respond with was:

(http://www.stilettosetsports.com/wp-content/uploads/washington-natinal-jersey.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 23, 2009, 09:32:01 PM
Oh, Biff Kommieslayer is triumph. Really gotta stop with the name changes dude.

Montero's ranked 5th according to BA. My guess is we'll probably be seeing him sometime this year. Dude's gonna be starting in Scranton.

My guess is if he's raking early on we could probably flip Nick Johnson to a competitor for some prospects by the deadline.. He could spell some rest for Po, and a Po/Montero DH/C tandem wouldn't be the worst thing.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 23, 2009, 09:33:33 PM
.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 09:52:18 PM
tiumph has to keep changing his names so that we end up thinking there's actually more than one braves fan in the world as no one is distinguished mentally-challenged enough to be a braves fan.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 24, 2009, 12:23:21 AM
Trading Brandon Morrow to Toronto for Brandon League and a minor league outfielder was kinda weird on Jacky Z's part... I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2009, 12:37:06 AM
So apparently the Braves only spent/are going to spend (deal isn't final until Glaus passes a physical after the holidays) 2 million on our new hopefully healthy slugging first baseman.  That leaves us 7-9 million to grab a Xavier Nady-esque type as another outfielder.  I hope our pitching is gonna be as good as I think it will, cause I don't see us scoring a shit ton of runs next year with this offense... although having Prado start the year as the regular 2B will be a big help.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 24, 2009, 12:28:14 PM
Yay, Capps inked a deal with the Nationals (has anyone had to try so hard to woo a "solid" relief pitcher?). With the addition of Capps and Bruney, our bullpen won't be so bad this year. I hear they're also signing Everyday Eddie before his arm completely falls off. If they sign another starter, another arm and a defensive infielder, they could be competitive this year. We might even win 70 games!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on December 25, 2009, 07:51:25 PM
tiumph has to keep changing his names so that we end up thinking there's actually more than one braves fan in the world as no one is distinguished mentally-challenged enough to be a braves fan.

You go to Hell and you die!
Braves fans are not distinguished mentally-challenged. Unlike Red Sox or Yankee fans.



*Puts on his Braves hat and stares down Methodis*
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
Totally random, but I hate Jon Heyman, so:

SI_JonHeyman9 minutes ago
just mailed Hall of Fame ballot, beating deadline yet again. voted for alomar, dawson, larkin, parker, morris & mattingly

sigh
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2009, 06:45:46 PM
I get Alomar, but the rest of those guys are ass clowns.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 27, 2009, 06:52:24 PM
I get Alomar, but the rest of those guys are ass clowns.

Decent case for Larkin.

I'd go with blyleven, raines, alomar, and mcgwire
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 06:53:29 PM
Larkin I'll also accept (but I probably wouldn't vote for him).

He's batting .333.

The results of the poll on here >>>> BBWAA

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/

# Bert Blyleven (90%, 394 Votes)
# Tim Raines (82%, 357 Votes)
# Roberto Alomar (78%, 341 Votes)
# Barry Larkin (70%, 305 Votes)
# Mark McGwire (64%, 280 Votes)
# Edgar Martinez (63%, 278 Votes)
# Alan Trammell (53%, 232 Votes)
# Andre Dawson (29%, 125 Votes)
# Fred McGriff (28%, 123 Votes)
# Dale Murphy (19%, 84 Votes)
# Lee Smith (19%, 82 Votes)
# Don Mattingly (13%, 59 Votes)
# Jack Morris (13%, 55 Votes)
# Dave Parker (6%, 27 Votes)
# Harold Baines (5%, 23 Votes)
# Robin Ventura (5%, 21 Votes)
# Kevin Appier (5%, 20 Votes)
# Andres Galarraga (2%, 8 Votes)
# David Segui (1%, 5 Votes)
# Eric Karros (1%, 4 Votes)
# Pat Hentgen (1%, 3 Votes)
# Shane Reynolds (1%, 3 Votes)
# Ray Lankford (1%, 3 Votes)
# Ellis Burks (0%, 2 Votes)
# Mike Jackson (0%, 2 Votes)
# Todd Zeile (0%, 2 Votes)

Edit: My ballot would be the same as Malek's.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 27, 2009, 06:55:55 PM
bu bu bu bu its the Hall of FAME not the Hall of PRETTY GOOD
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 27, 2009, 07:00:37 PM
Edgar esta caliente.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
McGwire deserves to be in, too.  Unfortunately lots of guys from the roid era are gonna get shafted because the BBWAA is comprised of stuffy old traditionalists who were too busy cheering McGwire and Sosa back in the day to report on what was going on.  And they act like the probably 90% of the players from the 60's and 70's who are in the hall either didn't pop speed pills or that it didn't matter.  Bunch of assclowns.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 27, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
What, Blyleven, Raines, Alomar and McGwire?  That sounds about right.  I'd probably throw in a sympathy vote for Dale Murphy too because, you know, Braves fan and all that.

Personally, I'd rather both leagues start using the DH.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:05:57 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.

David Eckstein works his butt off and never used steroids either! :P
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
Eckstein also has infinity times more Dick Sucking Parade rings than Edgar, too. :teehee

edit: Dammit Federman, time to switch out all of the word filters.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 27, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.

David Eckstein works his butt off and never used steroids either! :P

Oh fuck you.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:-*
[close]
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 29, 2009, 08:28:25 AM
By the way, I was searching through my photos and found this picture of Sylar that I took during a Yanks-Rays game this year:

(http://x6c.xanga.com/d26f516706733250457325/b198781343.png)

You look cute dude.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 29, 2009, 10:42:40 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
Note that she/he is a cracker!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 29, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
Read this over at ESPN this morning. It's pretty long so I'll just provide the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof10/news/story?id=4755544
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 02:23:47 PM
Personally, I think the main argument against Martinez is that he was a Mariner for life.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 02:28:36 PM
Good article.

This list is a decent ranking.

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/top500.htm

By that, Edgar is above the three position players I put on my ballot. :o

Also -- I guess somewhat related -- Keith Hernandez >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don Mattingly.

http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/blog/2009/12/29/keith-hernandez-don-mattingly/
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 04:06:23 PM
He's KEITH HERNANDEZ.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
I'm Keith Hernandez

http://vimeo.com/4288854
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Mets signed Bay. I think it's awesome that they signed an overpriced bat that won't be able to hit out of your ballpark, while letting Lee, Holliday, Lackey, etc. pass them by.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
Also, the Braves apparently have 7-9 million to spend and need another productive hitter, but couldn't be bothered to inquire about Derosa, who just signed a two year deal with the stinking Giants for 12 million total.  He would have been perfect- right handed, steady production and could have played lf, 3b when Chipper inevitably gets hurt and even 1b or 2b.  Grrr.  Somehow I have sinking feeling Melky Cabrera is going to be our opening day lf or something, which will suck.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 04:49:43 PM
I still can't comprehend why the Braves traded Vazquez for Milkduds, unless you guys knew he was going to fall apart Opening Day or something.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 04:54:09 PM
I just don't get why you focus on the second-best player on the market. HOLLIDAY IS STILL OUT THERE WHY SETTLE?!?

If the reports about an easy vesting option for a 5th year are true, I'm pretty pissed off. 5/80 fuck. If Holliday ends up getting 6/100 I'm going to fucking rage.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
I don't get why you don't go after a PITCHER.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
I still can't comprehend why the Braves traded Vazquez for Milkduds, unless you guys knew he was going to fall apart Opening Day or something.

Because we had a surplus of starting pitching, and needed some of the money tied up in our SP to get some offense.  Not that I'm totally pleased with the coming Troy Glaus era, but if they had signed him AND DeRo, that would have been awesome.  We'll probably end up with Xavier Nady or someone lame like that.  I could go for some Johnny Damon action in LF but that's not likely.

And while it (obviously) doesn't make sense to trade Vazquez for Melky, keep in mind that last year was a career year for Vazquez.  And looking at our rotation, we can go Jurrjens, Hudson, Hanson, Lowe and Kawakami, which ain't bad.  I think pitching Lowe lower down in the rotation will be good and hopefully he'll bounce back a bit...  Plus there's always the chance we can package Melkdud and a prospect for a decent left fielder.  Probably not, but a guy can dream!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
I don't get why you don't go after a PITCHER.

Kinda late now. OH WAIT JOEL PINEIRO HE HAS THE SAME NAME AS ME GET HIM
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 05:32:49 PM
Hey, you guys got KELVIM ESCOBAR.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 06:25:58 PM
It's bad offseason for the Mets when I can confidently say the Nationals signed better pitchers.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 06:36:12 PM
Definitely. I would've done that Marquis deal, and also that deal Harden signed with the Rangers was exactly what I wanted. Ugh.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
Plus we got Bruney and Capps in our bullpen, and they're solid arms. Everyday Eddie has weak stuff, but he'll eat innings and his ERA is usually not as bad as last year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 06:43:40 PM
Whatever, we have K-ROD! He's making $11.5 million, he has to be good!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 06:45:47 PM
When it comes to RPs, unless it's Mariano Rivera, I'll sign the solid guys for a decent salary. Overspending on relief almost always backfires, and half the time when you're talking about a playoff team, their best relief arm is a demoted starter or a promoted minor leaguer.

Overspending for pitching in general is stupid, and the arms race is what will inevitably lead MLB to a salary cap - unless they plan on contracting the league to eight markets.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 29, 2009, 06:48:09 PM
When it comes to RPs, unless it's Mariano Rivera, I'll sign the solid guys for a decent salary. Overspending on relief almost always backfires, and half the time when you're talking about a playoff team, their best relief arm is a demoted starter or a promoted minor leaguer.

duh

K-Rod has a vesting option to make SEVENTEEN POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in 2012. FML

Omar is such a fucking moron. He just outbid himself AGAIN.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2009, 10:03:55 AM
This man speaks the truth! (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Altn8htRHLVy7fe3R8sac7w5nYcB?slug=jp-metsbay122909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 30, 2009, 07:44:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiGFDkVEhg

me (4:34:36 PM): i balib in twwotouzandteeeehn =(
gf(4:34:47 PM): fuck you
gf(4:34:52 PM): seriously
gf (4:34:55 PM): i'm pissed off
gf (4:35:05 PM): go fuck yourself
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 30, 2009, 07:48:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiGFDkVEhg

me (4:34:36 PM): i balib in twwotouzandteeeehn =(
gf(4:34:47 PM): fuck you
gf(4:34:52 PM): seriously
gf (4:34:55 PM): i'm pissed off
gf (4:35:05 PM): go fuck yourself

K-Rod balibs in comebacks--no kidding. When he pitches in the ninth, there's a high chance of a comeback.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 30, 2009, 07:51:08 PM
The Mets are hoping you come back to the stadium after 2010.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2009, 07:54:22 PM
Your gf always gets so pissed, pollo. :rofl

But really, no Reyes is surprising. They gave up on him.

Oliver Perez just sucks.

Or maybe they are just saving them for the Spanish language version.

creo en retornos
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 30, 2009, 08:33:24 PM
With good reason, she has me as a boyfriend. How I post is the same way I am in real life.

What's hilarious about Reyes is that "on paper" he was "rehabbing." That couldn't be further from the truth. Once he saw the Mets were done for the season he said fuck it and wasn't willing to properly rehab. Instead he was out each night at a few Wash Heights bars, where my friend's cousin frequents, dancing the night away. Anecdotal evidence, yes. But would you really put it past him?  :lol

Apparently he rolled with 2 gorgeous Dominicans each night too.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Rman on December 30, 2009, 08:43:25 PM
How does Omar still have his job?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2009, 09:17:30 PM
Ken Davidoff (writer for Newsday) is so good.

His ballot: Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, Martinez, McGwire, Raines, Trammell.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 30, 2009, 10:30:05 PM
I dunno about Barry Larkin.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2009, 10:38:25 PM
If you don't have a problem with Trammell, you shouldn't have a problem with Larkin.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2009, 12:24:25 AM
I wouldn't put Trammell in either.  This year I'd vote for Blyleven, Raines, McGwire and Alomar and that's it.  I would also figure out a way to vote Joe Morgan out of the HoF.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 31, 2009, 12:29:33 AM
:lol

Well, we agree on our ballots. We already went over that on the last page. But Davidoff obviously has a bit lower standard -- one which is actually more in line with the general standard the HoF has set so far. Within that framework, his ballot makes perfect sense, which is more than can be said about seemingly every other ballot I've seen.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on December 31, 2009, 06:30:10 PM
Happy new year bore mlb'ers. Hopefully we get some more GAF mlb regs postin here the coming season.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 31, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
NL East is represented.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 31, 2009, 08:13:45 PM
The Cubs signed Marlon Byrd for 3yrs/$15 million? :rofl
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
The Cubs aren't very good, are they?  Well, at least he can take the place of... Milton Bradley?  I guess that's an improvement.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 31, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
A 32-year-old journeyman ballplayer who has only had one season where he hit over 10 HRs (last season - his contract year - hence the money) is an improvement over Milton Bradley ???
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2009, 08:51:26 PM
A 32-year-old journeyman ballplayer who has only had one season where he hit over 10 HRs (last season - his contract year - hence the money) is an improvement over Milton Bradley ???

Milton Bradley is insane.  Would you want him on your team?  I wouldn't, even for the league minimum.  I'd take Marlon Byrd as a fourth outfielder, tho.  But again- the Cubs aren't very smart, are they?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 31, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
I don't think you pay a 32-year-old to be your bench for $5 million a year, plus more with incentives. The signing just puzzles me. You could get similar production for a fraction of the price, and use that $15 million to sign a player, y'know, actually worth it.

This is Gary Matthews all over again; a player past his prime that has underperformed for most of his career has a great contract season in Arlington and becomes an overpaid free agent.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2009, 10:55:25 PM
Well, you do if you're the Cubs and you're dumb.  Actually, they'll probably try and get him to start.

Of course, I could see the Nats doing it too just because you guys have to overpay for anyone to want to play on that team.  :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 01, 2010, 12:25:45 AM
He was signed as their starting LF, I believe.

And while the Nats overpay, it's not ludicrous. All their signings - Marquis included - were within the going rate, but the Nats will always have to lean towards the higher end. The team has not outbid itself, though.

For instance, Marquis is also getting $15 million (albeit for two years), and is a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy that any ballclub would take. I would gladly give that guy $7.5 million a year, versus $5 million a year for a 32-year-old outfielder with a spotty track record.

(Byrd, by the way, was traded by the Nationals because he tanked here.)

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on January 01, 2010, 12:58:06 PM
.

For instance, Marquis is also getting $15 million (albeit for two years), and is a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy that any ballclub would take. I


 :lol Nope.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 01, 2010, 01:49:52 PM
Huh? The guy won 15 games last year, he's 31-years-old, has thrown 190 innings or more five of his last six seasons and has maintained an ERA under 4.50 throughout his career (save for 2006). You're telling me there's someone that wouldn't take him as a fourth starter?

I mean the Rockies, a playoff team, offered him arbitration - which he rejected. Both the Phillies and the Mets were interested in him this offseason, but the Nationals gave him a couple of million more. Plus the fact that in Washington he's an ace, whereas he'd be the third or fourth starter for those respective teams.

So, yeah, uh what?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
Well, the Yankees and Red Sox wouldn't take except as a back of the rotation starter, so I guess not ALL teams would be happy to have him.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 01, 2010, 02:14:45 PM
I don't see the Byrd signing as bad at 3/15...what are the incentives you mention, Will? I mean, it's not great, but they might actually get better value out of him compared to say...Jason Bay. :-\

I guess my contract evaluation standards are low due to Minaya exposure. I need to apply this to women.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on January 01, 2010, 02:36:09 PM
Career 99 ERA+? That guy, as Triumph pointed, is nothing but back end/6th man spot starter. Certainly not the 3 spot on any competitive team.

And that contract to Byrd is horrible. You're essentially giving a league average outfielder $5 mil? Whose best years have come from Arlington? It's hard to believe you couldn't get that kind of production from a fringe defensive specialist in your farm-- someone whose got enough of a glove to WAR ~ 2.0 like Byrd.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 01, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Considering two playoff teams, one of them in the World Series, were bidding for his services - I beg to differ. Marquis is the type of pitcher you want in your rotation for the right price. You can't discount the fact that he's thrown 190 innings or more five of the past six seasons. The guy eats innings and he's durable, and that comes at a premium in the MLB. I don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 07:29:43 PM
Red Sox to sign Beltre.

That's gonna be a pretty good infield.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
Red Sox to sign Beltre.

That's gonna be a pretty good infield.

Hopefully his bat warms up.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 08:14:01 PM
I have to imagine the monster will help.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 08:43:33 PM
1-year deal for $9 million with a $5 million player option (but also a $1 million buyout for the Red Sox, apparently). Boras is having an off-year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 08:48:07 PM
Or - gasp! - Beltre is really not that good. :P
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 08:58:01 PM
Or - gasp! - Beltre is really not that good. :P

By basically any metric -- Plus/Minus, UZR, or even fans' scouting report -- he's an insane third baseman. If he goes back to his usual average or slightly-above-average hitting self (or even if he has another down year, really), he'll be more than worth it.

I'd link to the fans' scouting report, but The Book blog seems to be down.

Edit: http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/index5.php

BUT, a lot of Mariners fans voted. :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:11:56 PM
He is a streaky player who was downright awful last year and not really great the two seasons before that. He's a good defensive player, but there are maybe fifteen third basemen that are ranked ahead of him in terms of OBP/BA/HRs/etc. This is less money than he could have gotten from arbitration, but Fenway is a good place to boost his numbers so he can get a bigger deal. But he can't possibly secure crazy "insane" third basemen money at 31-years-old next season.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 10:14:12 PM
He is a streaky player who was downright awful last year and not really great the two seasons before that.

Fine, you want to focus on just offense, that's cool.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:16:28 PM
I just said he's a good defensive player!

... but like, how much money do you think a streaky hitter is worth? One who is 30-years-old and coming off his worst season?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 10:19:10 PM
I guess he could really go either way, but that's the beauty of a one-year deal. Apparently there's a $1 million buyout if he totally bombs out.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
Rumblings of a Castillo-Lowell swap. Didn't Lowell just, uh, fail a physical? NO PROBLEM, says Omar Minaya.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:29:56 PM
Yeah, I read that. Omar Minaya is dumb. Every time I feel bad that it'll be at least two years before the Nationals have the talent to really compete, I read about the Mets and it makes me feel better.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-alnl-gap-a-gm-disparity

Quote
The Worst: Oh boy… This was surprisingly (and depressingly) easy. In no particular order, the Frightful Five are: Dayton Moore (KCA), Omar Minaya (NYM), Ed Wade (HOU), Ned Colletti (LAN), and Brian Sabean (SFN). Seeing those names together gives “Murderer’s Row” a new meaning.
:'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:43:57 PM
I've been impressed with Rizzo so far. Bowden was compelling, in that you had no fucking clue what he was going to do any particular offseason. He was almost like a carnival barker.

Rizzo is not as splashy, but he seems focused on just creating a solid team with a modest payroll and building up from there. I can get behind that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 11:49:39 PM
Rizzo is not as splashy, but he seems focused on just creating a solid team with a modest payroll and building up from there. I can get behind that.

Yeah, it's not like he's pretending they are going to compete for a playoff spot anytime soon, but the Nats are looking like they might be respectable next year. When do you think Strasburg will make his ML debut?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 12:04:46 AM
If his rehab goes through, I expect him sometime in September.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 05, 2010, 12:08:47 AM
Wait, wait, rehab? I knew he got hurt -- but I guess I don't know exactly what happened. I thought it was a minor thing.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 12:16:06 AM
He's doing physical therapy. He should be fine by Spring Training, which would put him on a trajectory for a September call-up. If his knee is still bothering him past Spring Training, I don't expect him to see the ballpark this year.

And word is that Nats are still trying to sign Orlando Hudson, and might be interested in Joel Piniero.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2010, 12:21:59 AM
Strasburg is gonna be Mark Prior II: Electric Bugaloo, except without any ML success.  Book it!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 05, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
Ah, that makes sense with Strasburg.

And I think that's what Minaya is *trying* to do with this Castillo-Lowell trade. The Red Sox would HAVE to pay a good amount of his salary for it to make any sense at all. Then Minaya would no doubt go out and get Hudson. As for Pineiro, the Mets are running out of pitching options...if the Nats signed him... Minaya would end up signing Pedro in retaliation.

Edit: So you assume his arm is going to implode before he ever reaches the big leagues then, Triumph?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 12:24:08 AM
Strasburg is gonna be Mark Prior II: Electric Bugaloo, except without any ML success.  Book it!

who the fuck is mark prior ???
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2010, 02:17:35 AM
I'm pretty sure that within two years time Strasburg will be retired without ever throwing more than 20 innings in either AAA or the majors.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
If I was a Braves fan, I'd probably pray for that too. :smug

... Just think, when Strasburg strikes out every guy in your lineup, you'll go, "DAMN YOU WILL FEDERMAN!"
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 10:09:21 AM
p.s. the real hot shot will be Drew Storen, who I think will make the roster
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on January 05, 2010, 11:11:15 AM
 :lol :lol :lol Jason Bay getting presented with a Rangers Jersey


LOST METS!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 05, 2010, 11:49:15 PM
Damn, Holliday got $120 million.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 02:14:14 AM
I guess Boras just redeemed his offseason.

Anyway

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8IKDeH9SEg[/youtube]

Dude is disgustingly good, holy shit.

I want someone to make one of these for Rolen.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 02:34:23 AM
I want to see one for Capt. Jetes, I need the laugh.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 02:34:50 AM
:lol

That's easily the stupidest fucking word filter ever, but it's still hilarious.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 02:38:01 AM
Jewco should have used the old Dugout names.  HOMOSEXUAL-ROD was always a favorite.

Pour one out for the Dugout, before they sold out and had to remove the funny.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 02:38:56 AM
Yeah, I haven't even bothered checking it out in a long time.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 02:41:31 AM
(http://www.progressiveboink.com/jon/images/jeterod/2.JPG)
(http://www.progressiveboink.com/jon/images/jeterod/2.JPG)
(http://www.progressiveboink.com/jon/images/jeterod/2.JPG)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 06, 2010, 02:00:16 PM
2010 Hall of Fame inductees:
Andre Dawson

That's it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
Andre Dawson has been named to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

The vote: Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.

fail
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2010, 02:10:48 PM
Raines, Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, McGwire, Trammell, and Martinez are more deserving.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on January 06, 2010, 02:17:37 PM
career 118 OPS+  :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:22:41 PM
so fucking bad
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
oh and if i hear someone say blyleven is a compiler and not a hall of famer and then say glavine is a first-ballot no-doubt hall of famer, i'm going to punch them in the fucking mouth
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 03:27:07 PM
oh and if i hear someone say blyleven is a compiler and not a hall of famer and then say glavine is a first-ballot no-doubt hall of famer, i'm going to punch them in the fucking mouth

Glavine won two Cy Young awards and has a ring, tho.  :wag
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:27:53 PM
jesus fucking christ the same distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who vote for the hall of fame vote for the cy young this is why the whole thing is a disaster
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:30:18 PM
who the fuck is tom glavine ???
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 03:31:31 PM
I'm not saying they're not distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and that Blyleven doesn't belong in the hall (he does) but there are arguments, however flawed, for saying Glavine > Blyleven.  Glavine won more games in fewer years, had more individual accolades and has a ring.  All that counts, as much as you don't want it to.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:32:10 PM
Blyleven has two rings, more strikeouts, less walks, and more 1-0 victories than anyone in 80 years. I only bring up Glavine because the two of them have exactly the same ERA+.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 03:32:21 PM
who the fuck is tom glavine ???

I don't know, who the fuck is Joe Gibbs?  Some old mormon or something?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
who the fuck is joe gibbs ???

Is he that NASCAR guy?

I only know Richie Petibon, Norv Turner, Terry Robiski, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, some old dude that looked my aunt, and Jim Zorn.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:36:03 PM
And I think it's obvious that I hate Glavine.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 03:38:12 PM
And I think it's obvious that I hate Glavine.

You're just pissed because he crapped the bed for the Mets, and usually against the Braves.  Even you can admit that he belongs in the HoF.  I mean, it's not like he's JETER or anything.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:39:52 PM
Oh, I never meant to argue that Glavine didn't deserve it. Just arguing for Blyleven, comparing him to a guy that will get in first-ballot due to 300 WINS OMG
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Nah, I know.  And I agree.  Blyleven is gonna look even better when people like Schilling start getting in.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2010, 03:46:36 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/227625/Pitchers_medium.png)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/227637/Borderline_Hitters_medium.png)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 04:27:23 PM
Way to kill the thread with those colorful graphs, Malek.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Gruco on January 06, 2010, 07:43:56 PM
There is a case for putting Glavine over Blyleven, mostly on the breadth of his career numbers.  Bother are pretty open and shut cases, either way.  I honestly don't know who I'd say is better.

Glavine:
Black Ink   Pitching - 29 (53), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink   Pitching - 202 (39), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor   Pitching - 176 (29), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards   Pitching - 52 (31), Average HOFer ≈ 50
Fibonacci: 258.1

Blyleven:
Black Ink   Pitching - 16 (134), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink   Pitching - 240 (25), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor   Pitching - 120 (69), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards   Pitching - 50 (38), Average HOFer ≈ 50
Fibonacci: 190.4
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 07:49:21 PM
Yes, but what about their intangibles?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2010, 07:50:19 PM
Who was more feared?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Gruco on January 06, 2010, 07:53:24 PM
Glavine had the intangibles and Blyleven was more feared.  It's a wash!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 08:09:39 PM
Gruco has been a valuable contributor to the Bore. :bow
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 08:50:11 PM
Ah fuck, apparently the Braves have signed Eric Hinske.  WTF, we're obviously not trying to compete.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2010, 08:54:18 PM
Ah fuck, apparently the Braves have signed Eric Hinske.  WTF, obviously we're going to the WS
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
True. :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
Dawson is in, but nobody else? Hall of Fame is a joke. :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 07, 2010, 11:25:18 AM
Dawson is in, but nobody else? Hall of Fame is a joke. :lol

Some of the baseball writers are self-absorbed jerks who refuse to vote anyone in on the first ballot. Last night on the local sports radio, they said that five guys didn't vote for Hank Aaron when he was inducted.

Who the hell wouldn't vote in Hank Aaron?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2010, 12:00:59 PM
Yeah, I heard like five ballots were left completely blank. Why? Fucking take away those guys ballots forever.

The Hall is a joke. Totally busted.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 07, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
Listening to sports radio today, MLB and NPB are talking about setting up a global series pitting each league's champions against one another. So basically it would be the Giants, Tigers or Fighters vs. a major league team each year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 02:35:55 PM
Yeah, I heard like five ballots were left completely blank. Why? Fucking take away those guys ballots forever.

The Hall is a joke. Totally busted.

The other day on Around the Horn Mariotti said he didn't vote for anybody this year, so there you go.  Of course a) it's Jay Mariotti and he's a noted asshole, b) he just said he didn't bother voting, not that he sent in a blank ballot.  But yeah, as a whole baseball writers are actually dumber than political writers, which is quite a feat.  Then there's George Will, who writes about both. 

Of course, there are lots of writers who would be eligible to vote whose papers or what have you don't let them vote.  David O'Brien, the Braves beat writer for the AJC can't vote because of that.  None of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution guys can.  So you're missing out on some sanity in the voting.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 07, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
The Washington Post doesn't let their writers vote, either. One of their big guys was on KJR-AM last night talking about it.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
Mariotti is such a fucking joke and attention whore.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 07, 2010, 02:40:22 PM
I love how a bunch of athletes are deemed HOF worthy by a group of mostly overweight and out of shape dudes.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2010, 02:42:41 PM
I love how a bunch of athletes are deemed HOF worthy by a group of mostly overweight and out of shape dudes.

Hey, that's why they have the Veterans' Committee....which is even worse.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 07, 2010, 02:45:41 PM
Cajole is right. Athletes, if it's possible, are often more clueless than the writers who cover them.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Cajole is right. Athletes, if it's possible, are often more clueless than the writers who cover them.

(http://mlbinsights.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/tx_joemorgan_all.jpg)

The worst of all worlds.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Indeed, the perfect storm of stupid.
Title: A challenger approaches
Post by: Gruco on January 07, 2010, 08:40:35 PM
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q174/gruco/kruk.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 08, 2010, 12:46:24 PM
I said athletes!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 08, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
(http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/OLERUDDAWSON.png)

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2010, 02:52:29 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/resigned_jason_bay_well_im (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/resigned_jason_bay_well_im)
:rofl

:rofl
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 09, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
That's actually way too close to the truth.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 19, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
M's resign King Felix to a new 5-year deal! :rock
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 01:41:15 PM
M's resign King Felix to a new 5-year deal! :rock

gratz.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 27, 2010, 09:37:04 PM
I've been hearing rumors that Washburn is coming back to Seattle, and that they may sign Damon to a one year deal.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 27, 2010, 09:42:51 PM
I could see Damon signing with the As.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2010, 11:23:14 PM
I could see Damon signing with the As.

I dunno if they'll have the money after springing for a one year, 10 million deal for... Ben Sheets.  I bet Damon sucks it up and goes back to the Skankees for way less than what Boras wants.  I mean, Melk-dud isn't there clogging up an outfield spot anymore (sigh) so I bet he could get good playing time.  Plus Damon's value drops anywhere where he doesn't have that ridiculous right field porch to hit pop fly homers into.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2010, 11:27:30 PM
Whoops, didn't know the Stankees had just signed Randy Winn to a one year, 2 million deal.  Looks like Damon will be elsewhere for sure this year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 28, 2010, 06:13:45 PM
PECOTA projections are out:

http://baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

They are...surprising.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 28, 2010, 06:26:34 PM
Oakland winning the AL West? :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 28, 2010, 06:28:05 PM
Nationals ahead of the Mets. :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on January 28, 2010, 06:56:10 PM
They have the Braves finishing 2nd in the East and as a WC team. Not too bad. Maybe the Braves can achieve that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 28, 2010, 07:26:28 PM
Shit, I'd be content with 70 wins!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 28, 2010, 07:34:34 PM
The Jays are projected to have the third worst record in baseball. Awesome.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2010, 08:45:44 PM
Shit, I'd be content with 70 wins!

I'd say the Nats should be good for 74ish wins this year.  80+ is pushing the bounds of reality, tho.

I do like where they have the Mets finishing.  :D
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 01, 2010, 05:33:56 PM
PECOTA was fucked up. They already fixed up the standings a bit.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Yankees in first, Nationals in last.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 01, 2010, 05:37:39 PM
 :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 01, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Mets still in second-to-last!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 01, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
We will give the Mets a run for their money!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2010, 05:41:09 PM
PECOTA was fucked up. They already fixed up the standings a bit.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Skankees in first, Nationals in last.

Hell yeah, the Rangers are gonna go somewhere this year with Nolan Ryan in and broke-ass Tom Hicks out. I hate that they had to get rid of Millwood, but I still think their pitching will be fairly solid (at least by Rangers standards).
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
M's signed Ryan Garko. Not sure what I think of that.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 02, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
Quote
NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball's licensing wing is calling out a baseball card maker for allegedly stealing trademarks.

Major League Baseball Properties Inc. filed a trademark lawsuit seeking unspecified damages against The Upper Deck Co. Inc. on Monday in federal court in Manhattan.

The lawsuit said Upper Deck is continuing to sell baseball cards featuring professional baseball players even though the company is no longer licensed to show MLB trademarks. Major League Baseball Properties began this year to license only The Topps Co. Inc. in a bid to increase its revenues from the cards.

MLB Properties is indirectly owned by the 30 major league clubs and acts as their licensing agent.

I haven't collected baseball cards since the mid 90s, but that's still pretty "whoa"-inducing.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 02, 2010, 12:17:05 PM
God, I have so many fucking baseballl cards. Almost as worthless as Wii games. :(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 02, 2010, 12:19:34 PM
God, I have so many fucking baseballl cards. Almost as worthless as Wii games. :(

.

I have close to around 5,000 from the late 80s and early 90s. All pretty much worthless.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 11, 2010, 08:22:10 AM
So apparently the Braves are trying to land Damon to a 1 year deal. Not sure I like him as a pickup or not if he signs.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 09:20:20 AM
If it means that Melkdud plays less, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 09:51:15 AM
Triumph, fire up the EB league. Someone needs to invite all the gaffers we had last year...Cloudy, Alex Anderson, Karakand, Joe, evil solrac, R-GILL.

Lookin' at you Cajole!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 10:09:44 AM
I'll get around to it later today or tomorrow.  I had a such a turrible season last year I'm kind of dreading this one.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
So, Triumph, how many points will an error be worth?  :smug
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 01:29:41 PM
iceburn

And I'll get on that, pollo. Maybe a 12-team league this year? Or two of them again?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 01:30:21 PM
I'll play with you guys, as long as you let me draft Strasburg and Ryan Zimmerman.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 02:27:13 PM
God, GAF fucking blows asshole. It's barely a functional forum.

"Too many recipients - you are attempting to send to 7 users but you are only allowed to send to 1 users."

Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 11, 2010, 02:29:49 PM
God, GAF fucking blows asshole. It's barely a functional forum.

"Too many recipients - you are attempting to send to 7 users but you are only allowed to send to 1 users."

Are you kidding me?

Hey, they seem to be cutting down on functions left and right. Don't like it?

:patel

:'(
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 11, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
God, GAF fucking blows asshole. It's barely a functional forum.

"Too many recipients - you are attempting to send to 7 users but you are only allowed to send to 1 users."

Are you kidding me?

Hey, they seem to be cutting down on functions left and right. Don't like it?

:patel

:'(

I can't believe they disabled the search function. :maf
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 02:31:57 PM
When will you people realize that all you need is THE BORE + Facebook?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 11, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
Not enough Weeaboo Moon Speak game talk on the Bore. Pretty much the only reason I ever check GAF.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Just bring those guys here and have them setup residence on the gaming side.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 11, 2010, 02:34:41 PM
God, GAF fucking blows asshole. It's barely a functional forum.

"Too many recipients - you are attempting to send to 7 users but you are only allowed to send to 1 users."

Are you kidding me?

Hey, they seem to be cutting down on functions left and right. Don't like it?

:patel

:'(

I can't believe they disabled the search function. :maf

I hate it too. But hey, we just have to
:patel

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Ganhyun on February 11, 2010, 02:35:35 PM
When will you people realize that all you need is THE BORE + Facebook?

Why would I want to use facebook to talk to EB/GAF members?  ???

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 02:37:17 PM
When will you people realize that all you need is THE BORE + Facebook?

I don't need random MLB gaffers on my Facebook.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
When will you people realize that all you need is THE BORE + Facebook?

I don't need random MLB gaffers on my Facebook.

Yeah, me giving you shit every time the Mets do something stupid or lose in a new and spectacular way is probably all you can handle.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 04:29:40 PM
Oh, and we'll do a head to head and a roto league, same as always.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 04:30:34 PM
Who wants to play H2H? :yuck
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
When will you people realize that all you need is THE BORE + Facebook?

I don't need random MLB gaffers on my Facebook.

Yeah, me giving you shit every time the Mets do something stupid or lose in a new and spectacular way is probably all you can handle.

goddamn you

Quote
Who wants to play H2H? :yuck

Alex Anderson from GAF, apparently. And I don't mind it, even if I prefer roto.

I think we might be able to do two 12-team leagues, Triumph. Genghis expressed interest, too, even though he hasn't posted in here.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 04:39:12 PM
STFU, Federwang.  You don't have to.

Alright, both leagues are registered.  Roto draft is Sunday March 14th at 4 pm Eastern time, H2H is Sunday March 21st at 4 pm. 

***FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, DO NOT FUCKING PM ME FOR THE LEAGUE INFO IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE DRAFT OR IF YOU'RE GONNA FUCKING FORGET ABOUT IT OR IF YOU'RE GONNA LOSE INTEREST 1/3 OF THE WAY THROUGH THE SEASON***

Fucking poofters.  Also, please don't invite Kotex over at gaf- he never makes the drafts and ALWAYS forgets to set his fucking lineups.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
I'm an H2H fan myself. I'll probably just do the H2H league. I'm gonna GM a league with friends for Roto.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 04:41:03 PM
Also, please don't invite Kotex over at gaf- he never makes the drafts and ALWAYS forgets to set his fucking lineups.

Oops. Maybe I'll conveniently forget to send him the info.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
I appreciate both forms for their differences, but if I could only choose one it would be H2H.  Something fun about demolishing another person's squad that you just don't get with roto.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
 :lol Cmon you know you love Konex triumph.  :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 04:47:01 PM
I appreciate both forms for their differences, but if I could only choose one it would be H2H.  Something fun about demolishing another person's squad that you just don't get with roto.

Demolishing the entire league is more satisfying.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 04:47:41 PM
Tim Lincecum collapsing during finals is more more satisfying :D
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 04:48:43 PM
I appreciate both forms for their differences, but if I could only choose one it would be H2H.  Something fun about demolishing another person's squad that you just don't get with roto.

Demolishing the entire league is more satisfying.

If your team in H2H is good enough, you get to that anyway, and you don't have to just sit through the season gloating "lol, my whip is a full .15 lower than yours lol" like you would in roto.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 04:49:23 PM
Tim Lincecum collapsing during finals is more more satisfying :D
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/lackeyfbomb.gif)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
Hmm, 2 DL spots? 1 is the default, right?
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 05:07:44 PM
Hmm, 2 DL spots? 1 is the default, right?


2 should actually be default, but meh.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 05:08:15 PM
Hmm, 2 DL spots? 1 is the default, right?

2 are necessary because mlb players are such fucking pussies and will go on the dl all the time now that they can't roid up anymore.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 05:09:53 PM
Yeah, I guess I don't have a problem with it. Just wondering.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2010, 05:10:53 PM
You'll need those two DL spots, Juice, because you always load up on Mets.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
You'll need those two DL spots, Juice, because you always load up on Mets.

Forgot the :smug
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 05:14:31 PM
motherfuckers
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 05:18:44 PM
motherfuckers

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/MrMet.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2010, 05:19:41 PM
(http://citifield.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/omar-minaya1.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 06:13:35 PM
Can you PM me the information for both leagues, so I can annihilate Cajole in two formats :smug
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 06:17:38 PM
I definitely used up all my luck between my baseball and football leagues this past year.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 09:33:23 PM
Everybody on GAF seems to be a H2H fan. That league is gonna fill up quick. With Konex.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 10:01:14 PM
With Konex.

(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1513858module8197113photo_TigerWoods_Fist_Pump.jpg1202767632)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2010, 11:04:27 PM
I'd like to get a spot in the GAF league. I finished 2nd or 3rd last year.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 11:38:52 PM
Everybody on GAF seems to be a H2H fan. That league is gonna fill up quick. With Konex.

Ugh, you guys are assholes.  I'm seriously tempted to delete that league and start over.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
I originally sent him an invite and I felt bad not giving him in the info after he replied!
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 11, 2010, 11:47:43 PM
1. Álex Rodríguez (NYY - 3B)
2. Adrián González (SD - 1B)
3. José Reyes (NYM - SS)
4. Justin Morneau (Min - 1B)
5. Johan Santana (NYM - SP)
6. Raúl Ibañez (Phi - OF)
7. Josh Johnson (Fla - SP)
8. Jair Jurrjens (Atl - SP)
9. Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
10. Johnny Damon (NYY - OF)
11. A.J. Burnett (NYY - SP)
12. Jorge Posada (NYY - C)
13. Neftali Feliz (Tex - RP)
14. Carlos Quentin (CWS - OF)
15. Rich Harden (Tex - SP)
16. Matt Thornton (CWS - RP)
17. Ryan Madson (Phi - RP)
18. Plácido Polanco (Phi - 2B)
19. David Price (TB - SP)
20. Scott Feldman (Tex - SP)
21. Daisuke Matsuzaka (Bos - SP)
22. Felipe López (Mil - 2B)
23. Nick Swisher (NYY - 1B,OF)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2010, 12:04:54 AM
I originally sent him an invite and I felt bad not giving him in the info after he replied!

Tell him that if he doesn't make the draft, I'll delete the league out of spite and piss off everyone else.  For like the past six years, dude ALWAYS wants to get in on the leagues and NEVER, EVER once has he made it to the draft.  IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE FUCKING DRAFT, DON'T JOIN THE FUCKING LEAGUE.  It's really not so hard.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 12:09:30 AM
Schedule the draft during a Lakers game, he hasn't missed one of those in 6 years.

Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 12, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
I originally sent him an invite and I felt bad not giving him in the info after he replied!

Tell him that if he doesn't make the draft, I'll delete the league out of spite and piss off everyone else.  For like the past six years, dude ALWAYS wants to get in on the leagues and NEVER, EVER once has he made it to the draft.  IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THE FUCKING DRAFT, DON'T JOIN THE FUCKING LEAGUE.  It's really not so hard.

Done.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 12, 2010, 12:58:58 AM
Also, you should post that as a league message. :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 12, 2010, 01:39:38 AM
The Hebrew Nationals and the Hymietown All-Stars are ready to play. I remember several years ago, I was able to draft or get a bunch of Jews off waivers (Brad Ausmus, Shawn Green, Gabe Kapler, David Newhan, Scott Schoeneweis, etc.). I was not as dominant as I thought I'd be.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 12, 2010, 07:14:38 AM
I actually remember one year where Konex took Mr. Homo with his second pick, although I think that was autodraft.

Edit: how is that word filter still there. turn it off
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/02/500x_neshek_01.jpg)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 12, 2010, 10:55:50 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: pollo on February 13, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
1. Chase Utley (Phi - 2B)
2. Adrián González (SD - 1B)
3. Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
4. Dan Haren (Ari - SP)
5. Johan Santana (NYM - SP)
6. Josh Johnson (Fla - SP)
7. Adam Dunn (Was - 1B,OF)
8. Raúl Ibañez (Phi - OF)
9. Jair Jurrjens (Atl - SP)
10. Yunel Escobar (Atl - SS)
11. Brandon Webb (Ari - SP)
12. Francisco Rodríguez (NYM - RP)
13. Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
14. Jorge Posada (NYY - C)
15. Carlos Quentin (CWS - OF)
16. Erik Bedard (Sea - SP)
17. Garrett Jones (Pit - 1B,OF)
18. Hideki Matsui (LAA - Util)
19. Trevor Hoffman (Mil - RP)
20. Mark Teahen (CWS - 1B,3B,OF)
21. Cody Ross (Fla - OF)
22. Ryan Madson (Phi - RP)
23. Kyle Lohse (StL - SP)
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2010, 08:20:59 PM
There's still two spots open in the H2H league, and lots of spots open in the roto league.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2010, 11:50:18 PM
Karakand will take a spot in the H2H league, forgot to send him the info.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
Think I'm gonna invite a bunch of friends into our roto league, since there's such a lack of interest. They'll make the draft and actually pay attention, if fantasy football is any indication.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2010, 10:49:10 PM
Think I'm gonna invite a bunch of friends into our roto league, since there's such a lack of interest. They'll make the draft and actually pay attention, if fantasy football is any indication.

Works for me.
Title: Re: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
Also, apparently Damon signed with the Tigers for one year 8 millionish.  I'm kind of torn... I don't think he's gonna have anywhere near the season he did last year if he's not playing in the Stankee's bandbox of a stadium, but he's gotta be better than relying on Melky Cabrera for anything at all, right?  Right?