okay, lets say we took the second option. we've got ~40million blacks packed up, ready to go -- where do we go?
Ive said it before and Ill say it again.
If your black and are not working towards being in another country before the quarter of the century, your slipping.
People forget that America is not our home. We got stolen from our homeland and black people have developed a bad case of Stockholm syndrome. fukk this country, the devils can have it, I'm making my pilgrimage back to the original lands
African Americans couldn't hang in motherfuckin' Africa :sabu The worst part of America is soft compared to the hells in Africa.
African niccas don't want them there anyways :hitler
He was black?
The article isn't making it clear :lol
Man being written up for jay-walking, grabs officer's gun, wrestles him into police car, gun goes off, then runs away hands in the air? Then he gets shot ten times? Officer on paid leave until they can come up with a better story than this looney tunes bullshit.
shoulda let the man shoot himself after getting handcuffed instead. because (http://t.co/bROvRqMunl) that (http://t.co/QVaGve8Mml) happens (http://t.co/00eQmhYNiD).
Look, it's basically a "he said, he dead" situation,
that (http://t.co/QVaGve8Mml)
His car had a video camera that was not on at the time of the incident
What kind of twit takes an AK-47 into a Target?
Islamic State isn't going to roll up on you while you're selecting the finest loose fitting Mossimo wear and some delectable Archer Farms snacks.
(http://i.imgur.com/4KUeBgf.png)Uh...one's a Walmart, one's a Target. Totally different.
Is it common for the cameras to be turned off during arrests? This seems a little too convenient.No, no, not at all. Police cameras are some of the most reliable pieces of technology and usually any case where they malfunction or the tapes disappear once the footage is found it exonerates them.
How is it that I had one person even acknowledge this poor kids passing on FB in the 30 something hours (a black lady who lives in Ferguson), yet my feed is now bombarded with LOL BLACK PEOPLE and STAY CLASSY NORTH COUNTY. By a bunch of people who need to check their white privilege no less.
I fucking hate it here.
No, sorry, looting is not "disgusting", everyone's favorite choice word right now. Shooting a kid in the back 10 times is disgusting. Looting isn't right or helpful but far from DISGUSTING.
How is it that I had one person even acknowledge this poor kids passing on FB in the 30 something hours (a black lady who lives in Ferguson), yet my feed is now bombarded with LOL BLACK PEOPLE and STAY CLASSY NORTH COUNTY. By a bunch of people who need to check their white privilege no less.
I fucking hate it here.
No, sorry, looting is not "disgusting", everyone's favorite choice word right now. Shooting a kid in the back 10 times is disgusting. Looting isn't right or helpful but far from DISGUSTING.
Looting's probably "disgusting;" we can use more harsh words for police shooting an unarmed boy.
fucking shame that a peaceful, well thought out protest is now irrelevant and forever marred by some piece of shit kids using anything as an excuse to loot.I think some piece of shit police showing up fully armed to a well thought out peaceful protest or candle lit vigil is worse than some fucking looting.
Michael SkolnikVerified account @MichaelSkolnik
SWAT Team. Taco Bell. #Ferguson (photo:@kodacohen)
I'd be interested in seeing the reaction to "the black community" openly endorsing and adopting the open-carry lifestyle.It's already happened, whites didn't like it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
I'd be interested in seeing the reaction to "the black community" openly endorsing and adopting the open-carry lifestyle.It's already happened, whites didn't like it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968
http://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Gun-Black-Tradition-Arms/dp/161614839X/
http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2013/01/black_panthers_and_gun_control_the_nras_flip_flop.html
http://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1614274118/
I'm marginally familiar with these instances, but in particular, I'm thinking about Florida and other states with that insipid "Stand Your Ground" Law in effect."Stand Your Ground" really just removes the duty to retreat outside the home. It wasn't even a factor in the Zimmerman case for example as under his version of the story he could employ deadly force in regular self-defense as he was being attacked. I never understand why it got blown up the way it did considering it wasn't part of his defense nor why he wasn't arrested initially.
fucking shame that a peaceful, well thought out protest is now irrelevant and forever marred by some piece of shit kids using anything as an excuse to loot.I think some piece of shit police showing up fully armed to a well thought out peaceful protest or candle lit vigil is worse than some fucking looting.
Similarly to the christians who feel religiously persecuted when they're not allowed to dictate that everyone else live within their own value set, the fantasy world in which "open-carry" advocates live doesn't accommodate anyone other than whites. I'd be interested in seeing the reaction to "the black community" openly endorsing and adopting the open-carry lifestyle. Sadly, I don't think it would end well for anyone though.
I'm surprised Obamer hasn't been shot yet by Secret Service by mistake.
it's probably something being continually spewed by some right wing anchor/radio host/blogger right now.Let's not be so fast to jump to this conclusion, I'm sure more details will emerge over the course of the next quarter lunar cycle.
Hold on, I think we should wait for the facts before deciding how long to wait for more details.it's probably something being continually spewed by some right wing anchor/radio host/blogger right now.Let's not be so fast to jump to this conclusion, I'm sure more details will emerge over the course of the next quarter lunar cycle.
"needing all the facts on the table" is racially codified. You will not see black suspects and/or victims be given this consideration. It also withholds empathy for victims under the strange presumption that "innocent until proven guilty" is infallible and universally applicable.
it's old, predictable rhetoric mainly used by hateful people.
While we're waiting for facts to decide how long we wait, have you seen these images of ne'er-do-well urban youths looting? Disgusting.Hold on, I think we should wait for the facts before deciding how long to wait for more details.it's probably something being continually spewed by some right wing anchor/radio host/blogger right now.Let's not be so fast to jump to this conclusion, I'm sure more details will emerge over the course of the next quarter lunar cycle.
That's certainly one way to look at it, but we should give equal time to the opposing viewHold on, I think we should wait for the facts before deciding how long to wait for more details.it's probably something being continually spewed by some right wing anchor/radio host/blogger right now.Let's not be so fast to jump to this conclusion, I'm sure more details will emerge over the course of the next quarter lunar cycle.
Imo it's all a conspiracy involving Jews, the world monetary system and frozen supermarket chickens anyway. i want to discuss this seriously, please listen.That's certainly one way to look at it, but we should give equal time to the opposing viewHold on, I think we should wait for the facts before deciding how long to wait for more details.it's probably something being continually spewed by some right wing anchor/radio host/blogger right now.Let's not be so fast to jump to this conclusion, I'm sure more details will emerge over the course of the next quarter lunar cycle.
Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.
A good friend of mine was uncomfortably close to an explosion, glad he was okay.
Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.
When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.
Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.
When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.
That wouldn't surprise me, honestly.
Nailed it. I should have known better, but I guess this is one of first times it hit close to home and I saw it unravel in real time. It's scary. Scarier when it comes from people you least expect.
When bombs went off in Oslo in 2011 my facebook feed was overrun with people blaming muslims and arabs and immigrants. Later when it was revealed that it was right-wing, white, Norwegian who had set off the bombs (and subsequently killed a ton of people) those same people adopted far more 'nuance' in speaking about the terrorist (and they never called him a terrorist). It was an incredibly jarring transition.
They prob still blame the muslims cause they "made him do it"
Last election we threw out the government headed by the party who was targeted in the terrorist attack and elected a right-wing coalition :spin
They prob still blame the muslims cause they "made him do it"Maybe we should wait until all the facts are in before we pass judgment on what the Muslims did.
(http://www.imgur.com/czQBWwB.jpeg)Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric. :holeup
A friend who just graduated from the academy. I mean that's all well and good Ms. Batman, but how about we spare one prayer for the fallen kid? :comeon
lol. We've been over multi-culti since the 70s, Rufus. We are the stingiest of assholes when it comes to immigrants & refugees.Ha. Socialist eden guards its fruits jealously, eh? :V
No one in this thread has supported looting you fucking micro brain dickhead
Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric. :holeup
Applejack and RainbowdashSomeone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric. :holeup
You would too if you were openly furry/brony, no? Apologies for not disclosing all the facts. :heh
Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupidYou honestly think it's not a sugar coated "hold your sympathy/cries for justice, maybe they deserved it"? Same for referring to him as a "man", even when it's technically true, even though we're all comfortable calling people that are older than that kids in other contexts.
JayDub, you're an adult. If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.
Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.
Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.
Challenge away. Good luck with that.
(http://www.imgur.com/czQBWwB.jpeg)Someone typed that with a straight face? That's straight up war rethoric. :holeup
A friend who just graduated from the academy. I mean that's all well and good Ms. Batman, but how about we spare one prayer for the fallen kid? :comeon
I always justify my theft with ideology as well.spoiler (click to show/hide)You want me to pay 20$ for a movie ticket when I disagree with your business model? and torrenting is so easy.*
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Boogie, where you at?
JayDub, you're an adult. If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.
Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity in the form of random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.
Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.
Challenge away. Good luck with that.
image of the best buy looting aftermath:
(http://i.imgur.com/igvtsIL.jpg)
:bow black people having taste
I'd probably be happier if you learned not to strip away social and historical context like it's irrelevant, but I'm not holding my breath.
Please don't self-asphyxiate, but no, I don't consider such context particularly relevant as potential modifiers to the statement I was making.
Truths overlap, dude. Racially codified statements and rioting/looting can both exists at the same time and the same people can find them both disgusting.I'd probably be happier if you learned not to strip away social and historical context like it's irrelevant, but I'm not holding my breath.
Please don't self-asphyxiate, but no, I don't consider such context particularly relevant as potential modifiers to the statement I was making.
well, the media has robin williams to talk about now...
JayDub, you're an adult. If you've got a point to get across, then express what it is verbally and defend it when it's challenged.
Okay, I found the notion that criticizing "waiting to hear all the facts" as "racial code" to be horrifically stupid and that such impulsive rage is how we get such blatant stupidity in the form of random destruction of unrelated-to-the-police gas stations in the first place.
Of course, I thought I adequately stated this point the first time.
Challenge away. Good luck with that.
I can't speak for everyone, but in the 5 "wait for facts" instances I mentioned, the people using the argument were white west county folks who have repeatedly and unwarantedly codified similar racist comments, such as "north county people" to mean "blacks" and/or "black criminals" in many racially charged contexts.
They are by all means racists when it really comes to it. Many STL residents can attest to how common these things are.
So when someone explains to me that "waiting for all the facts" is a code, and I look at the people in question, I'm inclined to draw a correlation at the very least.
the c language runtime or the windows common language runtime? yes to the former; derp to the latter
std vector :heh
Thankfully I'm drunk. 2 beers , one glass of tequila, one glass of margarita. Im pretty fucked up. Just need a dude to do the fucking. :hitler
Thankfully I'm drunk. 2 beers , one glass of tequila, one glass of margarita. Im pretty fucked up. Just need a dude to do the fucking. :hitlerDrank a thot juice. I didn't pay for it. It was already in the fridge. :snoop
:lol Mike BROWN dammit
:lol Mike BROWN dammit
tonight looks even worse than last night. more tanks, more tear gas, more rubber bullets. the citizens are barricaded in and cannot escape. I was gonna go up there tonight but didn't because I kept falling asleep at work and now I feel hella guilty that I'm not there helping.
https://vine.co/v/MYZmwD9Dqhu
tonight looks even worse than last night. more tanks, more tear gas, more rubber bullets. the citizens are barricaded in and cannot escape. I was gonna go up there tonight but didn't because I kept falling asleep at work and now I feel hella guilty that I'm not there helping.
:lol Mike BROWN dammit
tonight looks even worse than last night. more tanks, more tear gas, more rubber bullets. the citizens are barricaded in and cannot escape. I was gonna go up there tonight but didn't because I kept falling asleep at work and now I feel hella guilty that I'm not there helping.
. more tanks,
Boogie, where you at?
Tell me, what is the purpose of this post?
. more tanks,
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Yeah, using the wrong terminology for APC's is the most troubling aspect of this situation. C'mon, man.
Yeah, using the wrong terminology for APC's is the most troubling aspect of this situation. C'mon, man.
I just wanted to make sure that the police were, in fact, not yet launching depleted-uranium cannon shells at the general populace. What? :P
The burnden of being a smartass. :hitler(http://i.imgur.com/CPoQd92.jpg)
What the FUCK is wrong with that guy. :what
He's like Cpt. America from Jarhead.
(http://www.imgur.com/DGMaJlt.jpeg)
:comeon
(http://www.imgur.com/DGMaJlt.jpeg)
:comeon
Don't you hate it when cops cosplay as the army?
:neogaf
What the FUCK is wrong with that guy. :what
He's like Cpt. America from Jarhead.
Call this bitch out.
(http://www.imgur.com/DGMaJlt.jpeg)
:comeon
(http://www.imgur.com/DGMaJlt.jpeg)
:comeon
EVIL
:cop :cop :cop :cop
QUICKTRIP
Yeah, using the wrong terminology for APC's is the most troubling aspect of this situation. C'mon, man.
I just wanted to make sure that the police were, in fact, not yet launching depleted-uranium cannon shells at the general populace. What? :P
(http://www.imgur.com/DGMaJlt.jpeg)
:comeon
also BLOOP http://pastebin.com/icYZEMQk
I'm guessing that's the cop on leave right now?
PS: all the posts mentioning Boogie, a stand up guy, who happens to be a cop, are largely insensitive given he is Canadian and has nothing to do with this. Constantly appealing to Boogie about police matters is like asking Wrath about why "his" people are "terrorists". Please have the common decency to have to tact and a modicum of empathy towards Boogie and his job. This is not the time nor thread to troll him.
Anonymous is an interesting element to throw into this mix. Not sure how I feel about it
A girl I went to school with. Ultra idealistic and naive. She joined the police academy after graduation and turned into this caricaturish nutjob very recently.
it doesn't help when the white man reduces that rage to "they're just opportunists looking for free stuff." <tack on racial code words here>
people are saying that pic is a few years old now :patrice:
oh, forgot to add that every time shit starts to get really bad at night, the local cable monopoly mysteriously loses its signal for local stations.
I heard the same for the cable. No tv or internet during the times of rioting and protesting. Cable company flat out told my coworker, "Look, we're not supposed to tell you guys, but we were told we had to cut communications due to the events in your neighborhood."
:snoop this is some China shit.
Patricia Bynes, the Democratic Committeewoman of Ferguson Township in St Louis County claims "The cable is cut off here in the area to prevent incitement of more looting".
God forbid people know if they need to pack up their kids and gtfo.
http://ktla.com/2014/08/12/man-hospitalized-after-being-shot-by-police-in-south-l-a/
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the police chief's wife
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does she post at opa-ages? someone should invite her. or is this hans in drag?
Source? This is pretty :holeup
Damn you War Machine for killing Robin Williams :'(Wow, thanks for the Iron Man 4 spoilers outta nowhere, Joe.
I heard the same for the cable. No tv or internet during the times of rioting and protesting. Cable company flat out told my coworker, "Look, we're not supposed to tell you guys, but we were told we had to cut communications due to the events in your neighborhood."
https://twitter.com/TomMLemon/statuses/499445300868550656
scanners confirm at least second shooting
Was the anonymous list of officers released? Seeing a couple of people, who are pro Mike, crying on Facebook over alledly having innocent family members ("w/ kids and expecting wives" etc.) being on the alleged list.
Makes me uncomfortable, tbh.
And therein lies the issue— the people on the list are largely collateral rather than perpetrators. Not to metion, should I trust a group such as anon with deciding and passing such judgments?
edit: :comeon @ the Alex Jones stanning, though.
http://instagram.com/p/rpC6IBF77K:dead
So was anonymous selling wolf tickets again?
assume everyone understands coli terminology, brehs :whew
Meh, perhaps their families deserve to feel an ounce of the terror this kid's family is feeling
:what
Maybe you meant,the officers deserve it.
I guess if you want the situation to escalate, it's pretty straight.This gets right to the heart of anonymous. Do they want justice? Maybe, but really there's a good contingent that would rather see the whole thing spiral out of control.
http://instagram.com/p/rpgfpvIXtY/Looks like a bunch of random crusties there to start shit to me.
http://instagram.com/p/rpf21XoXsS
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Perfect. Note that Shaka already perfectly outlined how Anon ' s managed to rile up the families and officers in the area with their threat. Surely escalating tensions won't lead to more trigger happy cops and more violence and people in body bags, right? Ferguson bodies.
Fucking Nas stans :neogaf
Mike Brown shooting claimed as "crowd control", no EMS was called, body was on the ground for 4 hours.
Perfect. Note that Shaka already perfectly outlined how Anon ' s managed to rile up the families and officers in the area with their threat. Surely escalating tensions won't lead to more trigger happy cops and more violence and people in body bags, right? Ferguson bodies.
1. I didn't say that things should escalate.
2. The police's non-action is why things are escalating, because people are now trying to take things into their own hands.
3. The police has given us literally zero information. Anon is giving us information. Again, on the cops.
4. Fuck off.
1. ??? Like i said, and Shaka pointed out via social media, Anon have the cops on edge. More tension= higher probability of violence = escalation of this whole conflict. By bringing that other shit into it, you're raising the stakes. How is this not obvious?
2. The cop should be arrested, no doubt, and they should withdraw martial law from the city. We're in agreement there?
3. The police often withholds information during investigations for a number of reasons. This isn't out of the ordinary in any country or situation. In case of an arrest, they'd declare his name.
4. :umad
Ultimately I think he will be arrested and charged with manslaughter. FBI and DoJ are already involved :yeshrug
Ultimately I think he will be arrested and charged with manslaughter. FBI and DoJ are already involved :yeshrug
Federal charges against a police officer will be much easier to bring than a private citizen.
Here is the moral justification for anon's actions: If the public is going to let it's government commit atrocities without repercussions, they will never stop. So if you are a public servant and commit a heinous act, expect one to be committed against you. Why should the public or a group of oppressed people always have to take the high road?
The weird thing is how this is going completely ignored on all my social media. I thought for sure that either the republicans (who are a bit subtly racist) would have something to say, or that my libertarian friend would be talking about the police bringing in APCs to quell the riots and how that is the first step towards a police state.
Conetta @BmoreConetta(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png)
State senator Maria Chapelle Nadal taken into police custody
https://twitter.com/BmoreConetta/statuses/499700456059596803QuoteConetta @BmoreConetta(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png)
State senator Maria Chapelle Nadal taken into police custody
MariaChappelleNadal @MariaChappelleN(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu8g6cQCQAIuTzf.jpg)
@missypinkerton I'm on the street. Not arrested! On sidewalk!
6:41 PM - 13 Aug 2014
Ryan Reilly describing his arrest on Chris Hayes was absolutely terrifying. Being told to comply and being assaulted before having an opportunity to, not being told who arrested you or why, being completely rebuffed at every attempt to find out any amount of information. The idea that he had his face slammed into glass on purpose and will never know who did it, despite going through every possible legal channel....fuck. He talked about being handcuffed and trying to explain himself (as if he should have to) to officers who didn't care, who had just assaulted him, who had someone locked in the back of a van screaming for help. Fuck.
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There seems to be more outrage over two reporters being arrested than a kid being murdered. :beli
Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitler
where are the conservatives who feared military/government takeover?
@DJ_illAdvised@HowardU proudly stands in solidarity with #Ferguson
https://twitter.com/DJ_illAdvised/status/499710133744988160
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#blackexcellence
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
shit is getting crazy
Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitlerhttp://reason.com/topics/police-brutality
Justin Amash @repjustinamash · 55m
Images & reports out of #Ferguson are frightening. Is this a war zone or a US city? Gov't escalates tensions w/military equipment & tactics.
In unanimous vote, Springfield School Board urges #moleg to let my #FridayFavors vetoes stand
Meeting w/ talented young people in @Missouri4h & @MissouriFFA. In their hands, the future of ag looks very bright
Touring the new Joplin High w/ @CJHuffJoplin. High-tech building where students will learn high-tech skills
Say, what's the governor doing today to get this situation under-Give the poor guy a break, he had a rough start to his day:QuoteIn unanimous vote, Springfield School Board urges #moleg to let my #FridayFavors vetoes standQuoteMeeting w/ talented young people in @Missouri4h & @MissouriFFA. In their hands, the future of ag looks very brightQuoteTouring the new Joplin High w/ @CJHuffJoplin. High-tech building where students will learn high-tech skills
Oh.
A large crowd is anticipated tomorrow at the Missouri State Fair as several events and promotions will attract diverse interests. The day will begin at 8 a.m. with the 62nd Annual Missouri Governor’s Ham Breakfast, followed by the First Lady’s Pie Contest at 10 a.m. Free gate admission for women this day will be offered, as well as a free trade show sponsored by the Missouri Travel Council. The day will conclude with the concert, An Evening with MercyMe, in the Pepsi Grandstand.
“The Governor’s Ham Breakfast is a long-standing Fair tradition with guests coming together to celebrate the excellence of our Missouri agriculture,” Missouri State Fair Director Mark Wolfe said.
Governor Nixon will be the keynote speaker at the Breakfast, which will begin at 8 a.m. in the Director’s Tent. Tickets are $25 and include general admission to the Fair this day. Tickets can be purchased at the Missouri State Fair Box Office, which is open 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily. Tickets will also be available for purchase at the Breakfast, while supplies last.
The Breakfast will include an auction of the Grand Champion Ham, Reserve Grand Champion Ham, Grand Champion Slab of Bacon and a limited edition commemorative belt buckle. Proceeds from the Breakfast and auction will be used to perpetuate projects at the Missouri State Fair, including scholarships for youth involved in agriculture.
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I was tempted to make this my profile picture, but I'm way too white to own the truth of this.
Me, too.(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f0c2954c6c992c7e9029dcce1b690dce/tumblr_na9rs6Nrep1tqdmrxo1_500.png)
I was tempted to make this my profile picture, but I'm way too white to own the truth of this.
I'ma do that shit, bb.
"We're dealing with 4,000 animals in there, & you want to give me attitude?" The deputy yelled, mad I was taking a pic #Ferguson #MikeBrown
From one of the local reporters:Quote"We're dealing with 4,000 animals in there, & you want to give me attitude?" The deputy yelled, mad I was taking a pic #Ferguson #MikeBrown
:what
The police led us outside to a police van. Inside, there was a large man sitting on the floor between the two benches. He began screaming: “I can’t breathe! Call a paramedic! Call a paramedic!”
Ryan and I asked the officers if they intended to help the man. They said he was fine. The screaming went on for the 10 to 15 minutes we stood outside the van.
“I’m going to die!” he screamed. “I’m going to die! I can’t breathe! I’m going to die!”
Eventually a police car arrived. A woman — with a collar identifying her as a member of the clergy — sat in the back. Ryan and I crammed in next to her, and we took the three-minute ride to the Ferguson Police Department. The woman sang hymns throughout the ride.
Throughout this time, we asked the officers for badge numbers. We asked to speak to a supervising officer. We asked why we were being detained. We were told: trespassing in a McDonald’s.
“I hope you’re happy with yourself,” one officer told me. And I responded: “This story’s going to get out there. It’s going to be on the front page of The Washington Post tomorrow.”
And he said, “Yeah, well, you’re going to be in my jail cell tonight.”
I went to Ron Paul's websites to see if he had anything up about Ferguson.(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53537657.jpg)
I feel you all tricked me into this.
someone spray-painted "kill all the white people" on a sign. in downtown Bellevue :omgSteve Ballmer celebrating his Clippers purchase already.
WHAT SHOULD MY SIGN SAY?
WHAT SHOULD MY SIGN SAY?THE DAY FREEDOM OF THE PRESS DIED
WHAT SHOULD MY SIGN SAY?
WHAT SHOULD MY SIGN SAY?
Hands Up, Don't Shoot
WHAT SHOULD MY SIGN SAY?
someone spray-painted "kill all the white people" on a sign. in downtown Bellevue :omg
Governor Jay Nixon @GovJayNixonLeadership. :american
Canceling all appearances at the @MoStateFair to visit North #STL County tomorrow. Statement to follow.
I'm so fucking tired.
Fair, but they had sniper rifles with their sights on cops.
Benji what do your fellow libertarians think about this? Haven't seen Ted Cruz or Rand Paul speak on this. :hitler
where are the conservatives who feared military/government takeover?
You can find articles about Ferguson on the website of Reason, the libertarian magazine. But the politicians and conservative media figures who claim to be the most fervent advocates of individual freedom and to care the most about misuse of government power have been silent. One might be tempted to conclude they believe that when somebody’s grandson has to pay taxes on their inheritance, it’s a horrifying injustice that demands redress, but when somebody else’s grandson gets shot walking down the street, that’s just how things go sometimes.
someone spray-painted "kill all the white people" on a sign. in downtown Bellevue :omg
You should kill yourself if you willingly live in Bellevue.
Why aren’t libertarians talking about Ferguson?
One might be tempted to conclude they believe that when somebody’s grandson has to pay taxes on their inheritance, it’s a horrifying injustice that demands redress, but when somebody else’s grandson gets shot walking down the street, that’s just how things go sometimes.
someone spray-painted "kill all the white people" on a sign. in downtown Bellevue :omg
You should kill yourself if you willingly live in Bellevue.
:fbm does "because I'm too lazy to move" count as "willingly"?
i have noticed more black folk in Bellevue lately. like i'm in starbucks right now and apart from the pawg baristas the customers are majority black. maybe by the time i finally do move it will constitute an instance of white flight.
QuoteWhy aren’t libertarians talking about Ferguson?
easy answer: because doing so impinges on their right to be totally, authentically racist
Why aren’t libertarians talking about Ferguson?"And by libertarians we mean Rand Paul and John Stossel. Also conservatives because that's the same right? And reason, which is talking about it but ignore that for now."
QuoteWhy aren’t libertarians talking about Ferguson?"And by libertarians we mean Rand Paul and John Stossel. Also conservatives because that's the same right? And reason, which is talking about it but ignore that for now."
A small town of 21k and a police force of exactly 53 officers needs a mine-resistant vehicle
A small town of 21k and a police force of exactly 53 officers needs a mine-resistant vehicle
Look, no one cares about actual Libertarians, benji, we're just trying to talk about what a douchebag Rand Paul is.but Amash is my "actually elected" breh'lady, not Rand... :fbm
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-many-rappers-are-going-to-speak-out-about-mike-brown-and-ferguson-mo.239691/
Five star thread
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/how-many-rappers-are-going-to-speak-out-about-mike-brown-and-ferguson-mo.239691/
Five star thread
You like antisemitism and homophobia? Damn.
Governor Jay Nixon @GovJayNixon · 6m(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu-Z4yzCUAEZ1fU.jpg)
Situation in Ferguson does not represent who we are. Must keep the peace, while safeguarding rights of citizens and the press
Governor Jay Nixon @GovJayNixon · 17m
Closely monitoring situation & will be in North STL Co tomorrow. Ask for calm & urge law enforcement to respect rights of residents & press
To be fair, Bundy's gang wasn't burning crops or looting other lots. I don't mean to sound crass but this isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison.
@senka: @AntonioFrench charged with unlawful assembly.
Unlawful assembly:neogaf
A meeting of three or more individuals to commit a crime or carry out a lawful or unlawful purpose in a manner likely to imperil the peace and tranquillity of the neighborhood.
I think the point that Phoenix is trying to make is that Bundy was just a lot of hot air and no real action, just a bunch of armed dudes who ended up splintering and giving up. This is a protest where people are actually doing things.To be fair, Bundy's gang wasn't burning crops or looting other lots. I don't mean to sound crass but this isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison.
Yeah, Bundy and his pals were heavily armed and spoiling for a shootout, so it was a completely different kind of situation.
Arizona college team
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Kentucky championship loss
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UConn
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No tear gas. No guns.
They were just having fun out there though (http://i.imgur.com/8Vd2G.png)
@Yamiche
St. Louis County Police Tactical Operations have arrived complete with armed vehicles, rifles, and body armor. vine.co/v/MYDt2tMIH1z (http://vine.co/v/MYDt2tMIH1z)
@Yamiche
St. Louis Police are now saying people must leave immediately or be arrested. #Ferguson vine.co/v/MYDUBxaa9nX (http://vine.co/v/MYDUBxaa9nX)
@TefPoe
The armored vehicles have arrived as we ask for Antonio 's freedom vine.co/v/MYDtxzQbUQ5 (http://vine.co/v/MYDtxzQbUQ5)
wait, do police in american small towns have fucking drones at their disposal?
jesus christ
i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time
jesus christhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/welcome-to-the-police-ind_n_3415442.html
i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time
The lack of posts on #ferguson and Mike Brown situation on my facebook desperately exposes how isolated Facebook appears from the real world. We have police operating a drone overhead Fergusan, police arresting journalists for literally no reason who are trying to cover the story, police shooting rubber bullets at people, calling people Black Monkeys when they call the local Ferguson police department.
No one on my facebook is grieving nor cares about Michael, who was shot - four times - in cold blood, with his hands in the air. No EMS was called as his body baked in the sun for four hours. This entire thing is a complete obstruction of justice. It blends racism, police militarization, racial profiling, police brutality, and more into one giant middle finger cocktail of injustice.
Where the fuck are my liberal friends talking about this? What about the libertarians? Oh wait, no one gives a shit. Once again proving the fakeness of Facebook and all of its insane, ignorant horror. You are all talk. If you want to join us at a vigil and moment of silence, there is a moment of silence being held all over the country tonight. Check this listing for your local Moment of Silence and try to be a part of something other than your own lives.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6bRJfwVL7JoJnxH8BN8O1p1ANXPEl5PjNMoELw54ME/mobilebasic?pli=1&viewopt=127
jesus christhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/welcome-to-the-police-ind_n_3415442.html
i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/lenco-inc-maker-of-armore_n_3429575.html
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/how_did_americas_police_become_a_military_force_on_the_streetsspoiler (click to show/hide)http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/theres_always_a_good_time_to_use_a_taser_tv_encourages_out_of_control_gun_culture/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/30/why_is_a_swat_team_assaulting_me_im_just_dancing_at_a_rave/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-brutality?paging=off
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-crazy-sex-drug-inspired-mass-police-raids-across-america-2013-7?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+(Business+Insider)
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18777-when-the-police-become-a-standing-army-liberty-is-sacrificed-without-security[close]
Man they some straight pussies :pacspit
Id sacrifice everyone one of them fuck distinguished black fellows for PAC to return.
More like time to move.
Seattle.
I am not extremely terrified or scared of police, SWAT teams, heavy armor etc. It happens often in Poland during post football matches riots on the streets even in my own city. We are kind of used to it.
But drones? Fuck them for using that. There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people. It feels like AI against biology for me. Straight outta Terminator.
Fuck drones especially Predator ones.
Seattle.
Just stay away from the malls (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=874379)
Seattle.
Just stay away from the malls (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=874379)
I am not extremely terrified or scared of police, SWAT teams, heavy armor etc. It happens often in Poland during post football matches riots on the streets even in my own city. We are kind of used to it.
But drones? Fuck them for using that. There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people. It feels like AI against biology for me. Straight outta Terminator.
Fuck drones especially Predator ones.
You know that there are different kinds of drones, right? This is most likely like an RC helicopter with a camera on it.
So technically a... drone? Unarmed Aerial Vehicle?
It's the general idea of UAVs that's repulsive to me. Luckily polish police is too poor to afford even one drone.
Missouri Passed House. Legislature adjourned without further action.
There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people.They're not rioting.
This is more comparable to the LA riots, IMO, not the Civil Rights movement. Here is an AMA from a Korean shop owner's perspective. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/i2no5/ama_i_was_a_korean_shop_owner_during_the_la_riots/
Is there video of the altercation between the man and the cop? People are notorious nowadays for pulling out their cell phones when a citizen faces law enforcement. I don't believe for a single second that video doesn't exist. Until there are answers, I can't throw my judgment out there. I don't care what race you are...people in this country should be smart enough to know not to "tussle" with a cop and not expect to get shot. It's sad, pathetic, and totally wrong, but it's just history repeating itself over and over and over. And over and over and over. When I see a cop, I'm usually not doing an illegal thing and glance at them and keep walking. It's gotten me by so far. Yes, I have been pulled unwillingly into confrontation with cops. Even when they thought I had stolen my vehicle and made me get out of my car with my hands up (barefoot) and were pointing guns at me, I didn't do anything but comply. I WAS PISSED. I could have gotten killed if I had done anything but comply. Yes, cops are usually on a power trip. No, this will NEVER change.
Naomi, it's unfair to call all Americans cowards. People will fight for what they believe in. When it comes to a cop shooting a man, there's always more to the story. Sorry if this isn't the reaction you're seeking, but I put in words what some people are feeling at this point and may help in answering your original question. Yes, it sucks that they're squashing freedom of press, but it's a tense situation and they're just having a tumble with control. It's no excuse, but it happens with every major event in this country. This isn't new. Remember the pepper-sprayed university students that were sitting peacefully on the ground during Occupy?
When this happens to the white anarchists in Seattle every year people just laugh. Seattle PD tear gasses the shit out of those guys after they break some shop windows.
What I'd like is video of the actual shooting so that we know the real facts of what occurred.
The much ballyhood one was of the QT. There may have been another but that's about it. All from 2 (3?) nights ago and obviously nowhere near justifies this excessive force or means of crowd control.
Photo of shooter:
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Posted this on facebook. People come back me up.QuoteThe lack of posts on #ferguson and Mike Brown situation on my facebook desperately exposes how isolated Facebook appears from the real world. We have police operating a drone overhead Fergusan, police arresting journalists for literally no reason who are trying to cover the story, police shooting rubber bullets at people, calling people Black Monkeys when they call the local Ferguson police department.
No one on my facebook is grieving nor cares about Michael, who was shot - four times - in cold blood, with his hands in the air. No EMS was called as his body baked in the sun for four hours. This entire thing is a complete obstruction of justice. It blends racism, police militarization, racial profiling, police brutality, and more into one giant middle finger cocktail of injustice.
Where the fuck are my liberal friends talking about this? What about the libertarians? Oh wait, no one gives a shit. Once again proving the fakeness of Facebook and all of its insane, ignorant horror. You are all talk. If you want to join us at a vigil and moment of silence, there is a moment of silence being held all over the country tonight. Check this listing for your local Moment of Silence and try to be a part of something other than your own lives.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6bRJfwVL7JoJnxH8BN8O1p1ANXPEl5PjNMoELw54ME/mobilebasic?pli=1&viewopt=127
"Reporters should never be detained -- a free press is too important -- simply for doing their jobs," he said in a statement on Facebook.http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-defends-arrested-reporters
Cruz also called for an end of violence in Ferguson.
"Together, we should all mourn the loss of life in Ferguson, Missouri and work to keep our communities safe and free. Police officers risk their lives every day to keep us safe, and any time a young man loses his life in a confrontation with law enforcement, it is tragic," he said.
"Civil liberties must be protected, but violence is not the answer. Once the unrest is brought to an end, we should examine carefully what happened to ensure that justice is served," Cruz concluded.
Owner Steve King told the St. Louis Business Journal that his store, Metro Shooting, had seen a 50 percent increase, which he attributed to the violence taking place in Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb.
"We've sold a variety of handguns, shotguns and AR-15s (a semi-automatic rifle)," King said. "All of the sales are having to do with home defense. … Lots of people are afraid."
Al Rothweiler, owner of Mid America Arms, experienced the same influx of customers flocking to his store.
“We were closed Sunday and Monday, but today, sales have been brisk, and the store is full of people,” Rothweiler told the Business Journal. “Everyone who bought today mentioned something about Ferguson.”
Someone posted this on my facebook status.QuoteYes, it sucks that they're squashing freedom of press, but it's a tense situation and they're just having a tumble with control.
"This idea of no racial profiling," King said, "I've seen the video. It looks to me like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they all appear to be of a single, you know, of a single origin, I should say, a continental origin might be the way to phrase that."
Quote"This idea of no racial profiling," King said, "I've seen the video. It looks to me like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they all appear to be of a single, you know, of a single origin, I should say, a continental origin might be the way to phrase that."
Rep. Steve King, everybody. Rep. Steve King.
Police in Watertown, Connecticut, (population 22,514) recently acquired a mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle (sticker price: $733,000), designed to protect soldiers from roadside bombs, for $2,800. There has never been a landmine reported in Watertown, Connecticut.
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if only this show had remained good for 4 seasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwrSlzZC31w
I wonder how anti-riot people view Stonewall? Berkeley?
Photo of shooter:
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Kinda, sorta looks like a fat Boogie with shades on.
Obama statement soon
Dry, boring, uninspired, too shook to call this what it really is.
stan Barack Obama, brehs.
I understand the point of diffusing things and attempting to lower emotions, but that was still weak. I didn't expect him to come out like Chuck D but Elizabeth Warren and Justin Amash released pretty strong statements that don't really incite or escalate anything, why not go that route.
Violence is never the answer is one of the dumbest things you can say, and you should feel dumb if you said it.
PD, hurry up and give your briefing! I wanna know what the view from the hill is.
Violence is never the answer is one of the dumbest things you can say, and you should feel dumb if you said it.
Every time it expect Obama to lay it down, he disappoints me. Every time I expect some real talk, I leave sad. He keeps reeling me in!I still can't believe it took 4 days for the goddamn President to address riots in an American city. You're supposed to be the goddamn leader.
Rand Paul put out a better statement than Obama on the issue.
http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/ (http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/)
@TheAPJournalist: #BREAKING: House Speaker Boehner says he supports a full investigation into the death of #MichaelBrown & detention of journalists. #Ferguson
To the folks saying that the looting and burning of a well insured gas station was unacceptable, would we so much attention be focused on the death of an unarmed black kid without it? Would there be a national discussion on the fact that somehow a small town in Missouri has equipment to invade a small country? People didn't even know this shit was happening and now suddenly people are talking about this shit, so yeah, let the fucker burn.
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:american :american :american
my feeling is that most of the savvy internet users have largely abandoned facebook for other social networking services, leaving only the soccer moms and rednecks who are relying on the 24 hour news networks for info and thus aren't getting squat.
but, like, checking my fb feed right now, it's top to bottom talking about this situation. probably cuz CBC Canada is reporting on it more than any American networks are?
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png) can't wait for PD to cape/justify Hillary's neocon foreign policy when we invade the middle east again in 2017.
"Well actually, it's because she's under pressure from Conservatives. She doesn't want to look weak. Again I don't support the measure but it's understandable."
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they're good at what they do, I'll give them that
:dead
I remember when Mandela died and a bunch of people were like "a symbol of non-violent resistance" and shit and I was like :what
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png) can't wait for PD to cape/justify Hillary's neocon foreign policy when we invade the middle east again in 2017.
"Well actually, it's because she's under pressure from Conservatives. She doesn't want to look weak. Again I don't support the measure but it's understandable."
Is this the beginning of Black Caliphate?
Why are there people wailing on my feed about black panthers and kkk coming out in Ferguson? :what
Are people falling for the fake photos or is this something new?
There is no such thing as the official "Black Panthers" anymore. Today there are local versions and the national New Black Panther Party, and they're essentially a hate group. I definitely wish there was a real Black Panther Party, specifically one exercising their 2nd amendment rights openly.
So they're not like NoI who still helps out neighborhoods?
(http://i.imgur.com/ZTzNRbY.jpg)"We can fix this for you, sir" - St. Louis County Police
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_b3669874-23ed-11e4-a4a3-0019bb2963f4.htmlQuoteAttorney General Eric Holder released the following statement Thursday following his meeting earlier today with President Obama to discuss the latest developments in Ferguson, Missouri:
“This morning, I met with President Obama to discuss the events in Ferguson, Missouri. Like the President, I extend my heartfelt condolences to the family of Michael Brown. While his death has understandably caused heartache within the community, it is clear that the scenes playing out in the streets of Ferguson over the last several nights cannot continue.
“For one thing, while the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned. Looting and willful efforts to antagonize law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public do nothing to remember the young man who has died. Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.
“By the same token, the law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told.
“At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message. At my direction, Department officials have conveyed these concerns to local authorities. Also at my direction, the Department is offering – through our COPS office and Office of Justice Programs – technical assistance to local authorities in order to help conduct crowd control and maintain public safety without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force. The local authorities in Missouri have accepted this offer of assistance as of this afternoon.
“Department officials from the Community Relations Service are also on the ground in Missouri to help convene law enforcement officials and civic and faith leaders to plot out steps to reduce tensions in the community. The latest such meeting was convened in Ferguson as recently as this morning. Over time, these conversations should consider the role that increased diversity in law enforcement can play in helping to build trust within communities.
“All the while, the federal civil rights investigation into the shooting incident itself continues, in parallel with the local investigation into state law violations. Our investigators from the Civil Rights Division and U.S. attorney’s office in Missouri have already conducted interviews with eyewitnesses on the scene at the time of the shooting incident on Saturday. Our review will take time to conduct, but it will be thorough and fair.”
Ok, eric.
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http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_b3669874-23ed-11e4-a4a3-0019bb2963f4.htmlQuoteAttorney General Eric Holder released the following statement Thursday following his meeting earlier today with President Obama to discuss the latest developments in Ferguson, Missouri:
“This morning, I met with President Obama to discuss the events in Ferguson, Missouri. Like the President, I extend my heartfelt condolences to the family of Michael Brown. While his death has understandably caused heartache within the community, it is clear that the scenes playing out in the streets of Ferguson over the last several nights cannot continue.
“For one thing, while the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned. Looting and willful efforts to antagonize law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public do nothing to remember the young man who has died. Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.
“By the same token, the law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told.
“At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message. At my direction, Department officials have conveyed these concerns to local authorities. Also at my direction, the Department is offering – through our COPS office and Office of Justice Programs – technical assistance to local authorities in order to help conduct crowd control and maintain public safety without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force. The local authorities in Missouri have accepted this offer of assistance as of this afternoon.
“Department officials from the Community Relations Service are also on the ground in Missouri to help convene law enforcement officials and civic and faith leaders to plot out steps to reduce tensions in the community. The latest such meeting was convened in Ferguson as recently as this morning. Over time, these conversations should consider the role that increased diversity in law enforcement can play in helping to build trust within communities.
“All the while, the federal civil rights investigation into the shooting incident itself continues, in parallel with the local investigation into state law violations. Our investigators from the Civil Rights Division and U.S. attorney’s office in Missouri have already conducted interviews with eyewitnesses on the scene at the time of the shooting incident on Saturday. Our review will take time to conduct, but it will be thorough and fair.”
Ok, eric.
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“He’s a race man,” says Charles Ogletree, a longtime friend of Holder’s who taught and mentored Obama and his wife, Michelle, as Harvard Law School students in the 1980s. “He’s gone farther and deeper into some issues of race than the White House would like, but I know he has the president’s well-wishes. It’s clear [Obama and Holder] believe in the same things.”http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-survivor-108018.html#ixzz3AOzuo8ru
Holder himself recently told another African-American friend that he feels part of his job is “to talk about things the president can’t talk about as easily.” Asked to describe Holder’s role, one of his former top aides described him as “Obama’s heat shield.”
Not sure about the New panthers. I've heard bad things, but people always say bad things about the Black Panthers with stupid bullshit.
Whats the strong version of homo? Homer?
Whats the strong version of homo? Homer?
Momo
Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson proposed legislation on Thursday aimed at demilitarizing domestic police forces, amid national criticism of heavily armed cops going after protesters in Ferguson, Mo.
"Our main streets should be a place for business, families, and relaxation, not tanks and M16s," the Democratic congressman wrote in a "Dear Colleague" letter to members of Congress. "Unfortunately ... our local police are quickly beginning to resemble paramilitary forces."
The Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act would prevent the transfer of certain military-grade equipment from the Department of Defense to local law enforcement agencies. That includes some automatic weapons, armored vehicles, armored drones, silencers and flash-bang or stun grenades.
Johnson boasted endorsements from the Friends Committee on National Legislation, American Civil Liberties Union and Defending Dissent Foundation.
"Before another small town's police force gets a $700,000 gift from the Defense Department that it can't maintain or manage, it behooves us to reign in the Pentagon's 1033 program and revisit the merits of a militarized America. I hope we can work together on this important issue," he wrote to colleagues.
Johnson will formally introduce the bill in September when Congress returns from summer recess, his office told TPM.
Whats the strong version of homo? Homer?
Momo
Don't hate. He's twice the man I am.
Whats the strong version of homo? Homer?
Momo
Don't hate. He's twice the man I am.
GET IT? :sabu
Violence is never the answer is one of the dumbest things you can say, and you should feel dumb if you said it.
I can't tell if this is supposed to be a 2 x 0 = 0 thing, or if you're just implying that he has a huge cock.
Is it a fat joke?
Cpt. Johnson of Highway Patrol hugging residents as they pass during march. "I grew up here!" he notes.
Cpt. Johnson WALKED in the march. "We're all in this together...we're not in this for fear, to intimidate."
So we won't see large police presence tonight? *Cpt. Johnson looks around* https://vine.co/v/MYPQa5Zvt2T
Johnson says they are going to provide media staging areas. This is night and day from every other night this week. Night and day #ferguson
"I've assigned all police assigned to this detail to take their gas masks off," - Cpt. Johnson #ferguson
"I'm not afraid to be in this crowd today, that's why I walk up front (in the march)" - Cpt. Johnson "hopefully they'll be some healing"
Johnson: will not tolerating looting, also won't tolerate "citizens not having ability to speak their minds, having...rights violated"
So...when does the police chief resign?
So...when does the police chief resign?
So...when does the police chief resign?
"Tonight we have special guests Joe the Plumber and the Ferguson Missouri police chief to discuss the ongoing crisis at our borders. Good to have you gentlemen on."So...when does the police chief resign?
Hold up dawg, wait for Hannity to get him a Fox News gig lined up first.
Highway Patrol... is there really no black Police officer in St. Louis to where they have to drag Highway Patrol out to do the PR for them?Bringing in State cops to do local policing is a pretty big "you're a bunch of fuckups" move to be honest.
:neogaf
Highway Patrol... is there really no black Police officer in St. Louis to where they have to drag Highway Patrol out to do the PR for them?Bringing in State cops to do local policing is a pretty big "you're a bunch of fuckups" move to be honest.
:neogaf
Highway Patrol... is there really no black Police officer in St. Louis to where they have to drag Highway Patrol out to do the PR for them?Bringing in State cops to do local policing is a pretty big "you're a bunch of fuckups" move to be honest.
:neogaf
That's the thing though: They're state police. If they really wanted to ensure people that the local police aren't going to attempt to shoot them anymore, they'd send a local uniform. It seems like a half-measure to cover the local polices asses by going "see, we have a black uniform dude here, we cool now?"
I guess we'll see if it's really effective if there's no riots/violence tonight.
Gingers. :noah
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:tocry
I woke up this morning and checked this thread for updates, and was horrified by what developed while I was sleeping. I went to my Facebook to see if the horror is reflected and instead walked into a bizarro world of denial.
STL friends, papers, blogs, and others I thought I knew are in a complete state panic, downplaying (or outright denying) the events in one post, while continuing their prayers for the police in another. Some people/pages are even are even putting more effort into tracking criminal records of those who were shot/killed, rather than cover the event itself... As if it would justify either the excessive use of force or violations of rights.
People crying for justice for Michael are a minority on my feed.
I'm literally sick to my stomach. Everything is a lie.
:piss fake-ass white liberals who make contrived political positions and esoteric lifestyle choices to hide the fact that they're exactly the same as every other selfish cac out there :piss2
https://vine.co/v/MYQVadp2aVi
:dead They alright out there. :obama
https://vine.co/v/MYQVadp2aVi
:dead They alright out there. :obama
:bow SAINT FUCKIN LOUIS :bow2
I know the situation is still fucked, but I'm so happy right now I can't even sleep
http://instagram.com/p/rsk0_jkQdU/
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:tocry
This map west of san antonio and east of SoCal :sabu :dead :sabuThat is how the population is distributed.
Total wasteland aside from a few blips.
I'll say it. I don't give a shit. Ginger.:lol
That call about a Ferguson store came at 11:51 a.m., Jackson said; a description went out on the police dispatch at 11:52. And at 12:01, Wilson "encountered Michael Brown on Canfield Drive," the police chief said.
Holy shit at the current mike brown smear campaign from ferguson police. Says a black officer killed him when we have videos and pics of a white officer with a gun. Says he was a suspect in an armed robbery when he didn't have a weapon.
Himu: I post this not to disagree with anything you're saying, but just to make sure that we are in the same page in terms of what's being reported out there:
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The shoes in Mike's death pic don't even match with this dudes flip flops if I'm correct.
This information is already working. It's diverting the conversation away from the main point that eye witnesses said a man had already surrendered to police and was shot dead. Whether he committed a crime prior to that or not isn't even really relevant.
The shoes in Mike's death pic don't even match with this dudes flip flops if I'm correct.
You can never tell anything for certain, but people who have seen pictures of Brown after the shooting seem to all confirm that the person is the surveillance footage is probably Brown. Obviously, stealing some cigars doesn't justify being gunned down. But as of this moment -- and again, I'm not saying that I can spot things from crappy video shots -- it seems as though Brown may have been involved in shoplifting/robbery.
And yet the store keeper said he didn't steal anything.
this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense
Please explain this phrase. I've read it for a minute and I still have no clue what the fuck.
this is totally a real-life chewbacca defense
Please explain this phrase. I've read it for a minute and I still have no clue what the fuck.
Your libertarian paranoia laced in hidden racism and love for crappy anime ass doesn't make you an intellectual, cunt bucket.
:piss fake-ass white liberals who make contrived political positions and esoteric lifestyle choices to hide the fact that they're exactly the same as every other selfish cac out there :piss2
This thing was excellent for exposing this shit. :rejoice
Then you got the white liberals who stuck to their guns. Them allies breh :tocry Thank you all so much. :brazilcry
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.
but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a rapport of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.
but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a rapport of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.
Here's the thing, though- his body laid in the street for four plus hours! Anyone could have come by and changed his clothes and taken those cigars. The fact that nine minutes elapsed from the call about the robbery to the officer confronting him about something other than the robbery means nothing!
Guys, I think JD has a point. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to a police department that has, to this point, acted in an irrefutably professional manner.
Yeah... yeah. Well at least now they've made a statement - again, it was distinguished mentally-challenged for this to take this long - and now the public can have something to scrutinize.
Maybe they're full of shit. Maybe they're not.
What definitely has been full of fake info, thus far, has been this thread.
So it's ok to "scrutinize" spoon-fed information from a police department known to be depraved, but social media info needs to be immediately dismissed and not discussed at all. Got it.
Mmm, I love the smell of intellectual dishonesty in the morning. It's not like I gave examples of things we've gotten wrong thus far here, things I believed and then went about my day thinking had happened and then well, they actually didn't. And I totally said that all things social media are always wrong and everything this police chief says or does is sacrosanct, uh-huh.
Ehh. Just get your two minutes hate in, fuck it.
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321901/-The-demonization-of-a-dead-unarmed-teenager-is-well-underway?detail=facebook
"Smear campaign?"
I mean, look, you're going to call me bullshit names whether I'm nice about this or I'm just blunt anyway, but fuck it, I will try to be nice.
You don't know it's a smear campaign.
So much disinformation is out there... a metric fuckton of nonsense on social media, as always... and it will eventually get sussed out.
I mean, in this very thread, we've had "police execute 'boy' shooting 10 times in the back," we've had state senator got arrested, wait no she didn't, we've had police homes being burned, wait, no they weren't, we've had you posting the picture of some random guy who wasn't named Darren Wilson at all, and now you've got "smear campaign." I'm not remotely confident that list is comprehensive.
Guys, I think JD has a point. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to a police department that has, to this point, acted in an irrefutably professional manner.
Yeah... yeah. Well at least now they've made a statement - again, it was distinguished mentally-challenged for this to take this long - and now the public can have something to scrutinize.
Maybe they're full of shit. Maybe they're not.
What definitely has been full of fake info, thus far, has been this thread.
Add Rand Paul’s name to the list of opportunists seeking to exploit for political purposes the tragic shooting of young Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. The race-hustlers populate the list, of course. So does President Obama, who sees a topic in his supposed wheelhouse (but in reality a local matter) through which he can distract attention from his disastrous foreign policy.clueless libertard annihilated
Writing in Time Magazine, Paul sees the opportunity to score libertarian points while showing sympathy for the black community, to which he has been pandering for some time. Let’s start with the race pandering.
Paul uses the occasion of the Brown tragedy to say that “given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.” But Paul makes no attempt to show that the disparities in question — presumably pertaining to conviction rates — are the result of “government targeting,” as opposed to disparities in the commission of crimes. Blacks may feel targeted, but U.S. Senators shouldn’t lend credibility to that feeling by disparaging our justice system unless they provide meaningful analysis to back it up.
It is particularly unfortunate that Paul uses Brown’s death to peddle the “government targeting blacks” narrative. Brown wasn’t killed due to government targeting. He was killed, from all that appears, by a bad cop.
If a pattern of government targeting blacks is relevant to this episode, then we would expect to find frequent instances of what happened to Brown. We don’t. Paul is just blowing smoke.
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It may well be true that many police forces have heavier arms than they are ever likely to need. Naturally, the police want the newest, fanciest, and most lethal weaponry, and the feds became quite willing to accommodate this desire after 9/11 when it was feared that armed terrorist cells might pop up in random communities.
But has the existence of an over-armed police force produced actual abuses that wouldn’t otherwise have occurred? Perhaps, but Paul makes no effort to demonstrate that it has.
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Ultimately, Paul relies on the optics of heavily armed police confronting citizens protesting the killing of Brown, and in some cases overreacting to the protesters. For example, the police reportedly fired tear gas at someone standing in his own yard.
In the context of looting and protests that could turn violent, it doesn’t seem unreasonable for the police to have its most powerful and lethal weapons at the ready. And even Paul, I hope, would allow the police to have tear gas available.
This is not to deny what may well be instances of overzealousness by the police, and not just in its use of tear gas. But again, this seems to be the product of fear and perhaps some loathing, not of “militarization.”
The tendency of police to overreact predates the current trend towards heavy armament, and the police could have acted as it is said to have acted in Missouri — e.g., banning walking in the street, intimidating journalists, etc. — in any scenario in which it has more available force than the citizenry. If Paul believes the police should not have more available force than the citizenry, he should say so.
Rand Paul seldom misses an opportunity to tie racial politics to his libertarianism. The result is never pretty. In this case, given the tragedy at issue, it seems ugly indeed.
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?
Now it's a robbery?
This just smells wrong.
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?
Now it's a robbery?
This just smells wrong.
Who says he was stopped for walking in the street?
Social media? :smug
Rein in your folk, Benji.Civ addicts?
Anyways, wasn't Brown stopped for walking in the street?
Now it's a robbery?
This just smells wrong.
Who says he was stopped for walking in the street?
Social media? :smug
Collin Reischman @Collin_MOTimes 2h
It's worth noting that on Tuesday Chief Jackson told me Brown was not being stopped in relation to any criminal activity.
Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.
“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.htmlQuotePolice in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.
“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.
STL bore :hitler
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119102/what-white-st-louis-thinks-about-ferguson
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.
In an interview with msnbc shortly after the report was released, Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that Brown had taken cigars from the store.
“We see that there’s tape, that they claim they got a tape that shows there was some sort of strong-armed robbery,” said Freeman Bosley, Johnson’s attorney. “We need to see that tape, my client did tell us and told the FBI that they went into the store. He told FBI that [Brown] did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”
I do think you could argue that the release of this information is somewhat suspicious.
While not seeming like it's pertinent, I still find the robbery information relevant and very important because it feels doctored. It feels like the police waited this long to reveal it because they are trying of cover the murder and murderer. At this point, given that they haven't released an autopsy report, it makes me skeptical if they won't doctor the other information as well considering the rate of speed information is coming out. It's like they're preparing for this trial by fixing all evidence to be catered to their own whims.
Seems pretty conspiracy theorist, but given the past week and the past reports on Ferguson police, it isn't that far fetched.
The Associated PressVerified account @AP
BREAKING: Police chief: Officer who shot Michael Brown did not know he was a robbery suspect at the time.
I'm trying to understand this latest revelation. Was Wilson not the one who had initial contact with Brown? Because I'm trying to understand how the altercation started if not for Brown matching the description of a robbery suspect.
I'm trying to understand this latest revelation. Was Wilson not the one who had initial contact with Brown? Because I'm trying to understand how the altercation started if not for Brown matching the description of a robbery suspect.
I'm trying to understand this latest revelation. Was Wilson not the one who had initial contact with Brown? Because I'm trying to understand how the altercation started if not for Brown matching the description of a robbery suspect.
I'm trying to understand this latest revelation. Was Wilson not the one who had initial contact with Brown? Because I'm trying to understand how the altercation started if not for Brown matching the description of a robbery suspect.
Steve. For the love of fuck. The police are assholes and this entire thing is on them for being assholes. Is it really that fucking hard to understand?
I'm trying to understand this latest revelation. Was Wilson not the one who had initial contact with Brown? Because I'm trying to understand how the altercation started if not for Brown matching the description of a robbery suspect.
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5 attorneys just wrote me privately & said it was ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the Police Chief ONLY released that video to taint public sentiment
Wait when saying that Mike Brown did steal some cigars, did the chief mention at the same time that the officer didn't know about the robbery or did that come out later?
I know that my post on the last page was too short to understand what I was getting at. But what I'm ultimately saying is that I don't even understand what the narrative is even supposed to be right now from the police in regards to how the information is being released. Like, pretend that this is the first I'm hearing of this case. Say I know nothing about relations between law enforcement and African Americans. Also assume that I haven't heard the eyewitness testimony. I know absolutely nothing about this case or the cultural context surrounding it.
Based on the press conferences that have occurred today, what are they even trying to establish in terms of how this went down?
I know that my post on the last page was too short to understand what I was getting at. But what I'm ultimately saying is that I don't even understand what the narrative is even supposed to be right now from the police in regards to how the information is being released. Like, pretend that this is the first I'm hearing of this case. Say I know nothing about relations between law enforcement and African Americans. Also assume that I haven't heard the eyewitness testimony. I know absolutely nothing about this case or the cultural context surrounding it.
Based on the press conferences that have occurred today, what are they even trying to establish in terms of how this went down?
That Mike Brown is a bully and an aggressor and that it was LIKELY that he got violent against a cop with a gun pointed at him.
I know that my post on the last page was too short to understand what I was getting at. But what I'm ultimately saying is that I don't even understand what the narrative is even supposed to be right now from the police in regards to how the information is being released. Like, pretend that this is the first I'm hearing of this case. Say I know nothing about relations between law enforcement and African Americans. Also assume that I haven't heard the eyewitness testimony. I know absolutely nothing about this case or the cultural context surrounding it.
Based on the press conferences that have occurred today, what are they even trying to establish in terms of how this went down?
That Mike Brown is a bully and an aggressor and that it was LIKELY that he got violent against a cop with a gun pointed at him.
Right. But is it just obvious that dispatch records would disprove any claim that Wilson knew that Brown matched the description of a robbery suspect? Because if you're covering this up, that seems like the obvious tactic.
The Ferguson police officer who shot Michael Brown didn't stop him because he was suspected in a recent robbery, but because he was "walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic," the city's police chief said Friday.
The cop apparently didn't write an incident report. :snoop
One person on my feed linked this: https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/499639344613695488
The person apparently saw the shooting happen and tweeted in live time.
there is literally no evidence to support the idea that he robbed the store. the store owner who got robbed said it wasn't him several days ago. his clothes are different from the video. his supposed accomplice was not arrested. no loot from robbery was found.
but it was important to release the info on this robbery as part of this whole Mike Brown thing. Autopsy report on entry/exit wounds or a rapport of the incident isn't such a big deal tho. let that wait a bit.
Here's the thing, though- his body laid in the street for four plus hours! Anyone could have come by and changed his clothes and taken those cigars. The fact that nine minutes elapsed from the call about the robbery to the officer confronting him about something other than the robbery means nothing!
Mike brown was black and as such, has more muscles than the white man. He and Dorian hit the peddle to the metal, and got out of dodge just by walking casually. Who knows how far they walked in those 9 minutes? If white men can't jump, it should be assumed they can't walk like black people as well.
Common sense. :yeshrug
Brown's attorneys just dropped a bomb of ether on tv.
Said, and I'm paraphrasing,"Saddam and Charles Manson did far worse things, and they were both taken in alive after surrendering."
:lawd
Someone school on this cac on my facebook oh my god I can't with this
He's saying my views are being shaped by the media and that there's zero evidence that the police are altering evidence and if not that, presenting evidence in their own way to sway perception
He's saying my views are being shaped by the media and that there's zero evidence that the police are altering evidence and if not that, presenting evidence in their own way to sway perception
Champagne for your online friends, and online pain for your sham friends.
thank you van-san
he actually looks like you :lol
. He had his hands up, but the officer had a reason to shoot based on prior history. Mike was put in the back of a police cruiser, not an ambulance, so it's likely they put his finger prints on CAC fuck face's gun
. He had his hands up, but the officer had a reason to shoot based on prior history. Mike was put in the back of a police cruiser, not an ambulance, so it's likely they put his finger prints on CAC fuck face's gun
That's....not how fingerprint evidence works.
if you guys want your blood to boil:
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2dnv4s/video_of_mike_browns_alleged_strong_arm_robbery/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2dnv4s/video_of_mike_browns_alleged_strong_arm_robbery/)
Jesus. ITT: Stormfront is spilling onto reddit.No kidding. It's 99% garbage.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/45219/events/3295551/player_pop_out (http://new.livestream.com/accounts/45219/events/3295551/player_pop_out)
live stream of protest looking like it's going to get ugly
I REALLY have no time for racists anymore. don't give a fuck whether or not they understand how terrible they are so no reason to debate them.I'll just laugh or degrade them and keep it moving. they don't deserve respect our kindness, and they'll always be in the way, always have excuses. fuck em. too much important shit going on to worry about assholes.
Thread title continues to be apt.
This is a circus. https://twitter.com/alexheuer/status/500396427378298880
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:snoop
The Ferguson PD is so inept and yet simultaneously so focused on trashing Mike Brown's character to prevent their cop from getting jailed that they released that robbery video despite the DOJ's warning of further incited violence because of it.
And then last night happened and that same liquor store got absolutely wrecked.
Deputy killed Marine out of fear for children's safety, officials say...
But when an unarmed father of two was killed by a police officer while entering a vehicle that contained his own children, the Los Angeles Times served up this claim from officials.
When a neo nazi group was murdering Turkish and Greek shopkeepers and fast food stand owners here in Germany, the police were suspecting the victims to be drug dealers or smugglers involved with and ultimately killed by organized crime, despite there being no evidence to suggest it. "Political motives? Nah, why would left extremist go around killing immigrants, makes no sense."
Blows my mind too. They were shredding evidence in relation to the NSU. Consequences? None.
I REALLY have no time for racists anymore. don't give a fuck whether or not they understand how terrible they are so no reason to debate them.I'll just laugh or degrade them and keep it moving. they don't deserve respect our kindness, and they'll always be in the way, always have excuses. fuck em. too much important shit going on to worry about assholes.
You don't know how much I agree with this. If it's not a funny joke where I know it's coming from someone who isn't racist, or someone who's just ignorant and not hateful(although that can be an indicator sometimes), I'll write you off and won't deal with you at all.
It's the year 2014, I got no time for your medieval ass.
Yet the renewed protests were apparently triggered by the actions of the authorities, who have been wrestling for days with how to balance public safety with the right of demonstrators to assemble. On Friday, Ferguson police had named Brown as the prime suspect in the robbery of a convenience store that occurred just before the shooting, and they released a video of the robbery. The footage showed someone they identified as Brown towering over the store clerk and menacing the person, images that were circulated nationwide and drew a sharp rebuke from Brown’s family.
The video’s release was criticized by the highway patrol and came over the objections of federal authorities, a law enforcement official told CNN on Saturday. The Justice Department had said that distributing the images would heighten tensions in the community, but Ferguson police released it anyway, the official said.
I knew that the Highway Patrol/State Police were pissed that they did it, but even the Justice Department told them not to? :picard
I don't know... but the way ol boy was talking the cops better hope those nikkas don't come out that motherfukker.
I'll tell you what pisses me off though.
The curfew only applies to black males.
If you are a white cop with a badge you can be out.
If you are a white dude with a press badge you can be out.
If you are a white lawyer 'legal observer' you are good.
If you are an old black lady with a peacekeeper badge they don't care.
fukking Jim Crow.
tbh the fact that police can even impose a curfew on American people is an abuse of power
Shit I didn't hear about the tear gas, fuck that
Ryan J. Reilly ✔ @ryanjreilly
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Public relations officer confirms to me that was tear gas, not smoke bombs as some had suggested #Ferguson
Original press officer told me he made a mistake in saying it was tear gas #ferguson
shots?
I don't mean to sound stupid or racist or offend anyone by asking this. But what do these people really think they can accomplish when others of like skin continue to exhibit behaviour that only goes to reinforce the negativity?
What? He shot an unarmed, fleeing dude, then shot him a few more times after he hit the ground. I guess that your theory works if his 'natural instinct to survive' is to just kill any black people he sees, just in case, but otherwise there's nothing about his actions that suggests they were tantamount to his survival.
I'm not saying that I agree with what the officer did, but none of us really know what it's like to be in a situation like that. No amount of training can help curb our natural instinct to survive and the fact that we don't have more shootings is a miracle when you think of how violent we've gotten as a society.
Not to derail the thread further, but:Blows my mind too. They were shredding evidence in relation to the NSU. Consequences? None.
IIRC they have so infiltrated some groups (e.g. the NPD) that there can't be grounds to ban these groups as hate groups as the leadership contains undercover officers. Dangerous stuff all around.
I trace this back to the poor denazification in the FRG, but I readily admit that's :hans1 territory.
I distinctly remember him saying he was half black or something.he said that to fit in on thecoli
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They’re arresting @jack, co-founder of Twitter. Holy clusterfuck #Ferguson. Game over, you clowns lose. @GovJayNixon, just resign, moron.
Could be escorted.
Let's disregard for a minute here that Iran would probably kill you like 3 times over, Himu :gurl
Let's disregard for a minute here that Iran would probably kill you like 3 times over, Himu :gurl
I'm not celebrating Iran. I'm celebrating America getting thrashed internationally despite acting like a holier-than-thou-let's-save-everyone-for-their-rights brashness. :rejoice The international community shitting on America is a good thing. I never said about living there or anything. Cannot wait for China, PRK, and Russia to sound off. :rejoice
More than that, that doesn't change the fact he's not wrong.
I distinctly remember him saying he was half black or something.He's on welfare and disability. I'd say that makes him at least 47% black.
I distinctly remember him saying he was half black or something.He's on welfare and disability. I'd say that makes him at least 47% black.
On NBC's "Meet the Press," Nixon said that the release of the video did lead to the unrest on Friday and Saturday nights.
"To attempt to in essence disparage the character of this victim in the middle of a process is not right. It’s just not right," he said. "And secondarily, it did put the community, and quite frankly the region and the nation, on alert again. These are old wounds. These are deep wounds in these communities. And that action was not helpful."
NBC's Andrea Mitchell asked if the Ferguson police would be held acountable for releasing the video.
"We’ve had very serious discussions about that action and how much we thought that it was not the right way to handle the victim’s family, which I had a chance to speak with," Nixon responded. "They were deeply troubled, and when you see your son gunned down in the street and then you see a police chief begin an attempt to attack his character, that’s just not the way to operate.”
(http://www.abload.de/img/mikerosstrollface0un4.gif)I distinctly remember him saying he was half black or something.He's on welfare and disability. I'd say that makes him at least 47% black.
I know this isn't really relevant, but I never realized just how little German police uses their guns.
The latest good numbers I could find (in German) (http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/polizei-schoss-2011-seltener-im-dienst-a-832037.html) suggest that in 2011 they fired 85 rounds. They aimed at people 36 times, killed 6, injured 15. No bystanders harmed.
In the same year, Miami Police fired 116 shots at a single Person. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/us/2-years-after-116-police-bullets-flew-few-answers.html?pagewanted=all)
Let's disregard for a minute here that Iran would probably kill you like 3 times over, Himu :gurl
Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO), who represents Ferguson, Mo., on Saturday said that he doesn't trust the Ferguson police to conduct a fair investigation into the death of Michael Brown, the black teen who was shot by a police officer.
"I have absolutely no confidence in the Ferguson police, the county prosecutor," Clay told CREDO's Ferguson Justice Live. "We know we won't get a fair shake there."
The congressman slammed the local police for releasing a video that allegedly shows Brown robbing a convenience store.
"That's why they did what they did today, was to negatively influence a jury pool in St. Louis County," Clay said. "Just to assassinate Michael Brown's character is wrong. He was already assassinated, so now you're going to assassinate his character? What kind of human being are you? That’s the kind of question I have to ask."
Wait, did he pay for the swishers or not? I saw the new video Himu posted but didn't Brown also grab the store clerk? Has the store clerk said anything?
What is the money? That blob of whatever that is grabbed by the shopkeeper at 31 seconds? Is it really enough to cover that big wad of cigars (?) that fall on the ground?
can someone do me a favor and send me a few links to eye witnesses who say he died after throwing his hands up, giving up?
125 people to name and shame, and this reporter goes straight for the one black guy.
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https://twitter.com/desusnice/status/501151537876709376
https://twitter.com/LikwidCyance/status/501147712109432833
https://twitter.com/pjhoody/status/501150376817459200
https://twitter.com/Reboccacop/status/501157619143147520
https://twitter.com/rodimusprime/status/501146325342097408
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Zach Green @140elect
#ThatAwkwardMoment the Supreme Leader of IRAN is outraged by human rights abuses in #Ferguson...https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/500355828227252225
12m ago
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Imam Khomeini @IRKhomeini
You are not alone in your complaint against the oppressive govt of US; the US has oppressed many nations. #Ferguson
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:sabu
Is this the right time to mention the muhammad hadith about whipping a slave and fucking his wife? Oh wait, sorry. The fucking the slave's wife part is in the Quran.
I just think we should wait for all the details to come in on cancer before we make any rash judgments. There's still so much we don't know!
speedstats r u a girl?Yes.
The 'c' word is making me uncomfortable. Demi please map it to 'disreputable types of a certain continental origin'
The 'c' word is making me uncomfortable. Demi please map it to 'disreputable types of a certain continental origin'
I believe if you're black like Himu or Stealthfan you're allowed to use it, only white people can't. Not really sure.
The 'c' word is making me uncomfortable. Demi please map it to 'disreputable types of a certain continental origin'
I believe if you're black like Himu or Stealthfan you're allowed to use it, only white people can't. Not really sure.
brb, changing cac to "distinguished unpigmented fellow"please do this. please
brb, changing cac to "distinguished unpigmented fellow"distinguished finely pigmented fellow pls
why the fuck are these bozo police not arrested by a higher authority by now? what in the actual fucking hell?
What the fuck is the point of laws supposed to be, anyway?
What the fuck is the point of laws supposed to be, anyway?
What they have always been, to protect real people from the poor masses.
Yep, tonight's going to be the biggest night. They brought it on last night with that curfew shit. Curfew will probably have even MORE protesters tonight.
What the fuck is the point of laws supposed to be, anyway?
What they have always been, to protect real people from the poor masses.
This is a suburb, not the hood.
Holy shit, that Vice livestream is scary! They had to hide in someone's house.
http://new.livestream.com/timcast/news
@nytimes
Breaking News: Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times
http://nyti.ms/1oI3RAl
And one through the top of the skull, which is an execution shot.
why are they pussy footing it back there and not running up to the action?
@nytimes
Breaking News: Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Struck at Least 6 Times
http://nyti.ms/1oI3RAl
And one through the top of the skull, which is an execution shot.
Himu, you wildin on facebook :rofl
Calling Obama a pussy and a coon?
From the same link:Quote“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”
He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.
“We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.
You guys are still jumping to conclusions that fit your own biases based upon not only limited information but by selectively ignoring the information we do have.
I can't imagine someone charging after a couple bullets, especially one in the chest unless they're on PCP or the Hulk.
That new black Obama should call the National Guard, but not before bringing us up to date info from Iraq. :hitler
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:what
This is why we shouldn't read into the coli too heavily, my friends. It makes us put together incoherent statements like this and influences young white men like Stealthfan to try and justify their uses of the words n1gg@ and coon.
I can't imagine someone charging after a couple bullets, especially one in the chest unless they're on PCP or the Hulk.
It's not uncommon at all. Pistol rounds don't drop you automatically like in the movies, unless and until a bullet hits something vital, there's absolutely nothing stopping a motivated individual from fighting through some gunshot wounds.
the medical examiner, Dr. Michael M. Baden:gladbron
I can't imagine someone charging after a couple bullets, especially one in the chest unless they're on PCP or the Hulk.
It's not uncommon at all. Pistol rounds don't drop you automatically like in the movies, unless and until a bullet hits something vital, there's absolutely nothing stopping a motivated individual from fighting through some gunshot wounds.
I don't think it plants someone to the ground but I don't see someone being able to charge like was described. I realize adrenaline is a hell of a thing but I'm skeptical.
:beli
The national guard has been called for numerous American protests, and since the local police is incompetent, they need a federal take over.
So you want Ferguson under martial law? fair enough.
either way :snoop @ Jay Nixon and the PD for letting this continue on.
And that doesn't make Obama a coon or a pussy...
This doesn't anger you Phoenix?
It does make his leadership ineffectual.
Well then call him a weak leader :yeshrug
I'm not gonna tell you when to judge someone a 'race traitor' or not because that's your call but i can't STAND the use of the word coon or any other equivalents in other languages/cultures. It's a way of stifling debate and an easy way out for people on polar extremes to shit on moderates. Obama is not a 'coon', he's the President of the United States and one that endures more scrutiny than any previous due to his race.
THIS is cooning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHsDgCSm11g
This doesn't anger you Phoenix?
Man, CNN fucking blows. They're interviewing a staffer, and he mentioned that he saw muzzle flashes and heard shots. The talking head in the studio interjects to say "Just to be clear, this is very important, you're saying they're shooting at the police?" as the banner reads "CNN Staffer:Shots fired at police". He responds, "No, absolutely not." He goes on for a while and she jumps back in to ask "Are you SURE you didn't see anyone shooting at the police?" The thirst to demonize people on the streets is incredible
This doesn't anger you Phoenix?
Yes, but not to a point of babbling. Again, my views on these issues tend to come from a perspective of expectation, not shock. This is reality, it's happened before and will happen again; hell, like 2-3 black and white people were unjustly killed by police since Brown's death.
You can't name a single concrete thing Obama should do, yet have decided he must be a "coon" for not doing...something. To make matters worse, your one semi suggestion is for the president to declare martial fucking law. As if the feds are going to roll in there with teddy bears and watermelon.
Get a grip. We all understand you're upset, you don't need to put on a show because you can't physically be in Ferguson. We believe you. I'm not going to stand for Obama being called a "coon" as if he's sitting on his ass doing nothing. There's not a person I can think of who I would rather have as AG right now than Eric Holder, and that's all I'm going to say about that.
They already poisoned any potential jury pool with the video, but even before that the cop was going to get a not guilty ruling. That's reality. And as I said earlier, it'll boil down to 9 people deciding they'd rather not punish someone for making a "bit" of a mistake on the job. Same thing with Zimmerman: the jury was nearly completely sympathetic to Zimmerman making a "mistake" and showed very little sympathy for Travyon, while also dismissing his witnesses for ghetto talk. Expect a redux. And a bigger riot once that not guilty verdict happens.You think Wilson was/is going to get charged?
I kind of feel like things like this ruin the images of cops everywhere.
They already poisoned any potential jury pool with the video, but even before that the cop was going to get a not guilty ruling. That's reality. And as I said earlier, it'll boil down to 9 people deciding they'd rather not punish someone for making a "bit" of a mistake on the job. Same thing with Zimmerman: the jury was nearly completely sympathetic to Zimmerman making a "mistake" and showed very little sympathy for Travyon, while also dismissing his witnesses for ghetto talk. Expect a redux. And a bigger riot once that not guilty verdict happens.You think Wilson was/is going to get charged?
I kind of feel like things like this ruin the images of cops everywhere.
This statement assumes that there's not much to be outraged about because police brutality is a rare thing. It isn't. There's a reason to be skeptical towards police, and there's a reason the people in Ferguson are going hard. They've had enough.
Good point...maybe he won't be. I remember some time passing before Zimmerman was charged as well though. Once things settle down we'll see.Whether he was right or wrong in his self-defense defense though (which is why they didn't charge him initially), and despite his desire of becoming a cop, Zimmerman was still a peasant. There's little downside to charging those.
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
i dunno, i don't think it's super regular or anything, but i'm not sure how much of it actually ends up in the books, Mike. i know in my hometown the police treat the natives like absolute shit, and apart from one time where it became a media thing, it mostly goes unnoticed or uncared about.
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
:(
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.
Speaking purely out of speculation, Brown is almost as tall as I am, and I have no idea how big Wilson is, but to shoot him in the top of the head like that... well... I mean, does any account have Brown like kneeling or something? Just like he's on the ground and then cop walks up to him and fires into his head?
Or if he had his hands up, was standing up, was standing still and was looking at the cop holding a gun trained on him, he wouldn't have been shot in the top of the head, right? Yeah, he'd probably looking down, but because the shorter guy is below his eye level. Which would mean that the shorter guy wouldn't have that kind of angle...
Armchair CSI shit, yeah, I know. It's just well, this isn't making a lot of sense.
“As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting,” Mitchell said. “And the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete.”
Speaking purely out of speculation, Brown is almost as tall as I am, and I have no idea how big Wilson is, but to shoot him in the top of the head like that... well... I mean, does any account have Brown like kneeling or something? Just like he's on the ground and then cop walks up to him and fires into his head?
Or if he had his hands up, was standing up, was standing still and was looking at the cop holding a gun trained on him, he wouldn't have been shot in the top of the head, right? Yeah, he'd probably looking down, but because the shorter guy is below his eye level. Which would mean that the shorter guy wouldn't have that kind of angle...
Armchair CSI shit, yeah, I know. It's just well, this isn't making a lot of sense.Quote“As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting,” Mitchell said. “And the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete.”
One of the witness statements.
Right, but every bullet hit him from the front... so...?
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.To be fair, most people don't know lots of the shit done to whites or blacks or Japanese-Americans or the loli gamer or polygamists or...
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
:(
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
:(
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.
reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"
:mindblown
reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"Seriously, Amistad and Roots came out decades ago.
:mindblown
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
:(
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.
reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"
:mindblown
@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.
:(
Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is. Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO, tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.
reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"
:mindblown
I'm staring at the screen like this. :oreilly
I knew about the killing, starvation, and splitting up families in highschool but my women's history course was just not at all soft about the raping of slaves. They showed us a doc that basically had a quick re-enactment. x_x
I knew about the killing, starvation, and splitting up families in highschool but my women's history course was just not at all soft about the raping of slaves. They showed us a doc that basically had a quick re-enactment. x_x
What's this movie called
Maybe he was charging at the officer with an E. Honda flying headbutt :spin
Posted by SAPDMAS on Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:52 AM Pacific Report Abuse
What a disgrace. Thanks this so called "Uniter of a President" and his administration, along with his crony media sensationalists. They are the real blame for this mess. God, please make the people of this country wake up.
Posted by SAPDMAS on Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:16 PM Pacific Report Abuse
All you have to do is look at history and how the Nazis seized control. There were riots like these supported by the Nazi regime.
I base this on history and Holocaust survivor. I spoke with a Holocaust survivor who told me what she sees what's happening now is exactly how the bad things in Germany started when she was a child. I will believe the words of a lady who suffered horrible and in humane treatment for years and saw her family murdered before I would believe the media and this current administration. I hope she and I are wrong but everything is upside down. I just can't believe what has happened to our country in the last six years.
Posted by Smeared1 on Sunday, August 17, 2014 06:35 PM Pacific Report Abuse
That POS wasn't worth the price of the bullet that killed him. The black community as a whole has doomed itself by nurturing it's own ignorance. For the most part, the community has wasted the freedoms their ancestors fought for, what a shame. They'll be their own destruction and are simply too ignorant to realize it.
Posted by cpdcop4901 on Sunday, August 17, 2014 09:14 AM Pacific Report Abuse
I think that the "community" and the "media" are doing a great job of making the POLICE look like the bad guy !!!! It's sickening that the focus of all this is on what the officer did, but not on what the officer faced at the moment of the encounter with robbery suspect or the uncooperative subject !!! SICKENING !!! People need to do more ride alongs, so that they can see what we have to deal with on a daily basis and then have to come home to our family and pretend that not in anyway stressed out by the behavior of other human beings !!!
Stay Safe All !!!
Gov. Jay Nixon has signed an executive order directing additional resources through the Missouri National Guard “to help restore peace and order and to protect the citizens of Ferguson.”
smh at the GAF thread and all the "putting more people with guns on the streets? this is dangerous" regarding the National Guard
If we're going to have a militarized police state, I'd much prefer the military and their rules over the police and their lack of them.
I can't imagine the modern National Guard doing anything to escalate the situation in something this small of scale. They're an excuse to stand down the police and save face for the politicos.
The National Guard has been deployed in the U.S. to quell "unrest" multiple times. One reason they were used after Hurricane Katrina was because the police department was making things worse and it allowed them to shuffle the incompetents out of the way.
I can't imagine the modern National Guard doing anything to escalate the situation in something this small of scale. They're an excuse to stand down the police and save face for the politicos.
The National Guard has been deployed in the U.S. to quell "unrest" multiple times. One reason they were used after Hurricane Katrina was because the police department was making things worse and it allowed them to shuffle the incompetents out of the way.
"USMC cosplay?" I thought those Marine protesters were legit. :/
They have that equipment and receive all of that riot control training, the National Guard will probably not be equipped and deployed for infantry purposes
Wait, so "the militarization of police" is a self-evident "bad thing", but....deploying the ACTUAL military would be just fine?
announcement: at 4:30 am cst i am holding a press conference to announce that i have absolutely no clue whether the national guard will help or make things worse or neither.
announcement: at 4:30 am cst i am holding a press conference to announce that i have absolutely no clue whether the national guard will help or make things worse or neither.
THANKS OBAMA
I don't think you sneak in anywhere in a city full of media with cameras and people with camera phones.
In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.BOOM
QuoteIn addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.BOOM
HE BOUGHT SOME CIGARILLOS EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ONLY 18Yeah, it's just the way of life sometimes. There's nobody to blame but himself.
HE SMOKED SOME MARIJUANA
HE SANG SOME GANGSTER RAP SONGS
Obviously, he was nothing but a thug and his death was the inevitable conclusion of his unfortunate life choices.
HE BOUGHT SOME CIGARILLOS EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ONLY 18
HE SMOKED SOME MARIJUANA
HE SANG SOME GANGSTER RAP SONGS
Obviously, he was nothing but a thug, a.k.a. black youth, and his death or imprisonment was statistically significant possibility of his unfortunatelife choicessocio-economic status.
How do you pronounce cac?
Is it like cack (first syllable of cackle), or cock?
Remembering that 1/7 of black males are in prison, this can be said without any sarcasm.I don't know, sounds like something genetic to me.
How do you pronounce cac?
Is it like cack (first syllable of cackle), or cock?
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:pdark
@TheRyanParker
MT @samueloakford: Amnesty International just announced they've sent human rights team to #Ferguson; first time they've done that in the US
Who are those 18% of blacks? (http://i.imgur.com/fDWmSLi.png)(http://i62.tinypic.com/2hnvzm9.png)
Imagine if the president was a civil rights lawyer tho :gurl
How do grand juries work, what kind of majority do they need?
HE BOUGHT SOME CIGARILLOS EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ONLY 18
HE SMOKED SOME MARIJUANA
HE SANG SOME GANGSTER RAP SONGS
Obviously, he was nothing but a thug and his death was the inevitable conclusion of his unfortunate life choices.
Real depressing that our president can't have an honest discussion about race for fear of a rise of angry white cops taking it out on black people and white people getting so anxious about confronting honest, real race issues.
Interesting tight rope performance by Obama there, blatantly insinuating the criminal justice system isn't fair without outright saying it. If you're expecting him or any president to definitively state that the system is inherently racist you're going to be disappointing, but this is the second time I've seen Obama come close to saying it.
Interesting tight rope performance by Obama there, blatantly insinuating the criminal justice system isn't fair without outright saying it. If you're expecting him or any president to definitively state that the system is inherently racist you're going to be disappointing, but this is the second time I've seen Obama come close to saying it.
how about you post a link?
ya, I'd hit on her.
She's quite striking.
I heard that there was some new cell phone footage that corroborates the idea that Brown was charging at the officer. Any word on that?
I heard that there was some new cell phone footage that corroborates the idea that Brown was charging at the officer. Any word on that?
it is actually in the video i just posted.
No and which autopsy?
I heard that there was some new cell phone footage that corroborates the idea that Brown was charging at the officer. Any word on that?
it is actually in the video i just posted.
That video is 30 minutes long
Edit: Here is the full mobile recording where eyewitness discuss off camera what has happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZsjNHvYxM
http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/
Totally agree. Civil rights issues are class issues and they always have been.
This is one witness though. Everyone else says he has his hands up and that the cop basically executed him. What are you trying to say? That the cop was in imminent danger against an unarmed person that he shot 5 times already?Why do you assume that i am trying to say something here? :)
This is one witness though. Everyone else says he has his hands up and that the cop basically executed him. What are you trying to say? That the cop was in imminent danger against an unarmed person that he shot 5 times already?Why do you assume that i am trying to say something here? :)
I will answer your question anyway. Unarmed =\= Not dangerous or lethal.
Many police officers are killed with their own weapons. If you physically attack an officer and go for his weapon then you are using deadly force.
How would i know? give it some time, it will probably make more sense.This is one witness though. Everyone else says he has his hands up and that the cop basically executed him. What are you trying to say? That the cop was in imminent danger against an unarmed person that he shot 5 times already?Why do you assume that i am trying to say something here? :)
I will answer your question anyway. Unarmed =\= Not dangerous or lethal.
Many police officers are killed with their own weapons. If you physically attack an officer and go for his weapon then you are using deadly force.
So you believe that a kid in flip flops is going to reach inside a police officers car and try to steal his weapon? That makes no fucking sense. Is there any confirmation that Mike Brown went for the gun? Besides the cop? Because the cop certainly isn't trust worthy in the least bit.
How would i know? give it some time, it will probably make more sense.This is one witness though. Everyone else says he has his hands up and that the cop basically executed him. What are you trying to say? That the cop was in imminent danger against an unarmed person that he shot 5 times already?Why do you assume that i am trying to say something here? :)
I will answer your question anyway. Unarmed =\= Not dangerous or lethal.
Many police officers are killed with their own weapons. If you physically attack an officer and go for his weapon then you are using deadly force.
So you believe that a kid in flip flops is going to reach inside a police officers car and try to steal his weapon? That makes no fucking sense. Is there any confirmation that Mike Brown went for the gun? Besides the cop? Because the cop certainly isn't trust worthy in the least bit.
If the police officers use of force was justified - and it wasn't given 6 shots - he would have:
1. filed an incident report.
2. defend his position
3. not jump out of town
4. the police wouldn't be actively trying to provoke and suppress the people of ferguson
5. the police would not manipulate information to make it appear justified.
6. the police would not have confiscated evidence of a video recording the shooting.
All of these things combined make for some pretty skeptical behavior. If you trust that cop you're silly. So far, nothing on the part of the police gives any evidence nor credence to his side of the story, and their reaction feels like they're trying to cover up and defend him at all costs.
How would i know? give it some time, it will probably make more sense.This is one witness though. Everyone else says he has his hands up and that the cop basically executed him. What are you trying to say? That the cop was in imminent danger against an unarmed person that he shot 5 times already?Why do you assume that i am trying to say something here? :)
I will answer your question anyway. Unarmed =\= Not dangerous or lethal.
Many police officers are killed with their own weapons. If you physically attack an officer and go for his weapon then you are using deadly force.
So you believe that a kid in flip flops is going to reach inside a police officers car and try to steal his weapon? That makes no fucking sense. Is there any confirmation that Mike Brown went for the gun? Besides the cop? Because the cop certainly isn't trust worthy in the least bit.
:what
I know who Kareem is, dummy. I just find his statement fucking stupid. If this were a class war, they'd bring these same dukes to OWS. They didn't, especially not at this level.
Pointing fucking guns at Amnesty International and forcing them to leave. Not allowing media to cover events under threat of arrest.
Congratulations, America, you no longer get to look down at China or Russia.
Pointing fucking guns at Amnesty International and forcing them to leave. Not allowing media to cover events under threat of arrest.
Congratulations, America, you no longer get to look down at China or Russia.
Pointing fucking guns at Amnesty International and forcing them to leave. Not allowing media to cover events under threat of arrest.
Congratulations, America, you no longer get to look down at China or Russia.
just explained the broad strokes of the situation to Mother The Grouch, since she never watches news. Her only comment: "Are you sure it isn't just some bad people dressing in police costumes to blame on the police?"
:what
bless your 200km radius of where you were born life, Mother The Grouch.
My dad saw this coming because he spends his time reading about this kind of stuff.
My mom was like "deja vu CNN is doing the 60s coverage."
She's been arrested during a sit in too. Told me how she went limp after she saw them ripping out earrings, taking people by their hair, punching etc.
uhh himu are you not aware of petitiononline.com?
I'm legitimately surprised at how long this lasted. Reminds me a lot of similar and numerous moments from the 60's.
It makes sense to me. The civil rights movement opened a lot of doors and helped make racism become regarded as the evil it is. Now there needs to be a new movement, to show how racism isn't just slavery or slurs. It's a whole slew of things that seem harmless but can escalate the very same "harmless" people into dangerous positions. Racial profiling, gentrification, etc. And it took the tragic deaths of young black men and women with the murderers being protected for this to happen.
Is it me? Or has there been way more obvious examples like this lately? Or am I just grown enough to notice them now?
With the rise of China and India and other countries it inevitable that our western working classes will become poorer again.
The 50/60 post war years of middle class bliss were just an anomaly due to a number of geo political and economical factors.
We can't all get richer, but as we aren't producing anything real we def won't.
Only jobs that will be left will be either normal low paid service jobs that can't be outsourced, like restaurant staff/cleaners, and high end specialized jobs.
Middle class will mostly evaporate, what will be left of them will work in support of the high end jobs or as bosses of the lower paid ones/independents.
Except more and more shops to close down as good will be bought cheaply online, or digital. Further reducing the number of people in the workforce here in the process.
The rise of the corporatocracy/plutocracy we live in is hand in hand with the militarization and fascism we're experiencing now. It's an endless chain, rung upon rung, of shit all the way up to the top.
and we like to blame Bush/Obama so easily, but this shit easily goes back to Reagan or probably Nixon.
With the rise of China and India and other countries it inevitable that our western working classes will become poorer again.
The 50/60 post war years of middle class bliss were just an anomaly due to a number of geo political and economical factors.
We can't all get richer, but as we aren't producing anything real we def won't.
And what we do produce is military weaponry and equipment, and when someone wants to shut that shit down so called liberal senators like Feinstein fight it tooth and nail because those are jobs for her constituents. It's a fucking mess.
Media here are running headlines about police in Ferguson coming under "heavy fire" from protestors, citing "a police captain". Saying that bottles, rocks and molotovs are being thrown at the cops.Source? Nevermind, I found an article on DN.se.
I think it goes even beyond that. The US has been rapidly becoming more and more fascist. People are finally waking up to what it means by witnessing Ferguson. You have the Pentagon giving away and selling shit used in Iraq to local police departments under the guise of "domestic terrorism." What's it truly mean other than a stamping out of citizen uprising. This shit's just the beginning and it's gone on this long because racial tensions makes it even more easy to intimidate, threaten and gas an entire black community, but it won't end there unless people wake up.
The George Bush administration, the war on terror and Obama being too afraid of republican white people really did a number on the US.
To be fair it was something coalescing before that fucknut came into office but he definitely expedited the process.
With the rise of China and India and other countries it inevitable that our western working classes will become poorer again.
The 50/60 post war years of middle class bliss were just an anomaly due to a number of geo political and economical factors.
We can't all get richer, but as we aren't producing anything real we def won't.
And what we do produce is military weaponry and equipment, and when someone wants to shut that shit down so called liberal senators like Feinstein fight it tooth and nail because those are jobs for her constituents. It's a fucking mess.
The rise of the corporatocracy/plutocracy we live in is hand in hand with the militarization and fascism we're experiencing now. It's an endless chain, rung upon rung, of shit all the way up to the top.
and we like to blame Bush/Obama so easily, but this shit easily goes back to Reagan or probably Nixon.
Especially since public works projects is evil socialism at work.kids, kids, settle down, let daddy anarcachist tell you a story...
Even before them.
kids, kids, settle down, let daddy anarcachist tell you a story...
Media here are running headlines about police in Ferguson coming under "heavy fire" from protestors, citing "a police captain". Saying that bottles, rocks and molotovs are being thrown at the cops.
Story after story talks about a non-existent and shitty police response to this looting and destruction.
IF the account of the man charging at the officer is correct, then the officer shooting the man would be justified.
IF the account of the man charging at the officer is correct, then the officer shooting the man would be justified.Story after story talks about a non-existent and shitty police response to this looting and destruction.
Yet they'll gun down a kid for stealing some cigars.
Yet the local newspaper reporter says "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting"
Police used a new tactic tonight. They would move in and extract the 1 or 2 individuals that were causing the problem. Much better than gas.
Yet the local newspaper reporter says
Not hard to see the story Fox is licking their chops over here. Project: Blame this all on Obama is likely well underway.
I can't tell all these cacs apart sorry
S'cool. You can be a racist dickhead if you want, I'll stick to the facts rather than personal biases.
Yes. Trust the courts.
I don't blindly trust the courts, up to and including the Supreme Court; courts can have corrupt / incompetent judges... as evidenced by the Supreme Court.
You seem to be saying you have no faith in any court ever being run competently or fairly.
The thing about protests is that everybody attaches their own personal protest to whatever you're protesting. YOu're going to have people doing their own thing in Ferguson as the situation has presented the opportunity to do so.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as usual.
Interesting class debate going on here. I've been reading a lot of people on the interbutts past couple of years saying that due to resulting unemployment from increasing automation America's future has two options; some kind of socialism with super heavy social nets or an Elysium-esque corporate future.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as usual.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1The kid tried to grab the cop's gun in his car, even shot off a round, fled and was shot by the cop.
No wounds from any shots fired while Brown was facing away from Wilson... unknown if any were fired. At least six were fired while Brown was facing Wilson.
If the gun was fired inside the cruiser, there would be forensic evidence of that.
When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once, the caller said.
A common observation among morons? I don't ever see anyone (of any esteem or intelligence) diminishing a soccer riot.
What did Manziel have to do with this? Or was that a joke that went over my head?
The insanity defense is the worst. Were I a militant black guy I'd reverse this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png) tactic by pointing out that whites lead the league in wonderful activities such as serial murder :hitler
But we ain't gon do that :hitler
What's fucked up is it's the militarization of these cops in this town and this long drawn out protest that's letting troublemakers come in and start shit. There wouldn't be shit to start if they couldn't hide in the crowd and the police weren't so keen on fucking everyone over equally. Notice the night they completely backed off shit didn't pop off and ever since then it's gotten worse.
Friday night / Saturday morning they backed off and businesses were attacked while officers were not dispatched to that street. A fire truck did come put out the fire on the roof of Domino's Pizza, though. That's why Saturday you saw business owners start standing in front of their stores all day with rifles; the cops backed off for PR's sake and the looter / rioting assholes took advantage. Folks felt that there essentially was no police force to protect them.
I guess they just took a break on Thursday night. Every night since, these dickheads have started shit. It certainly does appear more and more that the ones that want to watch the world burn don't live there and won't have to deal with the aftermath when they go back home.
It's not that they diminish them, but the reactions are very different. The same observation can be made for looters.
When Richard Sherman yelled at a camera for a minute, he was labeled as a thug despite being a Stanford graduate. Justin Bieber pulls all sorts of shit, but he's just a mischievous kid who's misunderstood. .
:yeshrug
Not to my vantage point.
TA are you really trying to take the stand point that black and white rioters are treated the same way? If not I'm not sure what point you're trying to make
What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?
What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?They're, you know, of a certain continental origin.
"What exactly is a white rioter anyway" Oh so you know what a black one is? Are you implying whites don't riot now? :smug outtttta here
Jesus Christ. Defend systematic oppression, brehs. Please go back to Live Leak or Stormfront.
What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?
A rioter who is white I guess? I consider rioters rioters myself.
Either way, its obvious from videos and such that it is a tense situation there and that police are definitely out of line with their tactics.
I just, I still cannot get over the fact that the press is not screaming bloody murder about being roped off, targeted by police if they go out to actually report, and arrested for reporting.
Read some more pages in this thread. I just want to say that you actually can criticize all sides involved, which is the proper way to go about anything, and that you can have opinions without ''taking sides''.
I also feel that the reaction of the african american community hasn't been criticised and and the benefit of doubt isn't evenly distributed.
Read some more pages in this thread. I just want to say that you actually can criticize all sides involved, which is the proper way to go about anything, and that you can have opinions without ''taking sides''.
I also feel that the reaction of the african american community hasn't been criticised and and the benefit of doubt isn't evenly distributed.
That's nice, you seem to be a cuntburger though, why don't you fuck off?
And what reaction would that be?
What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?
A rioter who is white I guess? I consider rioters rioters myself.
Either way, its obvious from videos and such that it is a tense situation there and that police are definitely out of line with their tactics.
I just, I still cannot get over the fact that the press is not screaming bloody murder about being roped off, targeted by police if they go out to actually report, and arrested for reporting.
The press is too busy protesting the injustice of not being allowed to photograph the President whenever they want, which is clearly the bigger problem.
I wish I was making this shit up, but I'm not.
What am I, your research intern? How obtuse.
Also, unless he's moved since I left and came back, Skidmark isn't in the US. IIRC he was in.. Sweden?
Edit: I mention this as, as far as I know, Sweden hasn't really had this type of issue really.
Some people are trying to come off as fair and impartial as though that is highest virtue, and I understand that mindset; in this situation though it makes one seem nebulous and avoidant of the core issues.
Examples don't need to be provided that blacks and whites are treated differently because its fucking obvious.
@ChristineDByers
On FMLA from paper. Earlier tweets did not meet standards for publication.
Yet the local newspaper reporter (St. Louis Post) says "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting"
I'm not going to get bogged down in your pointless detail trolling.
Interesting class debate going on here. I've been reading a lot of people on the interbutts past couple of years saying that due to resulting unemployment from increasing automation America's future has two options; some kind of socialism with super heavy social nets or an Elysium-esque corporate future.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as usual.
On 19 May 2013, youth riots broke out in Husby, a suburb with a relatively high proportion of immigrant and second-generation immigrant residents, including large numbers from Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan and Iraq, in northern Stockholm, Sweden. The riots were reportedly a response to the shooting and killing by police of an elderly man, allegedly a Portuguese expatriate, armed with a puukko knife, after breaking into his apartment, and then allegedly trying to cover up the incident.
The political group Megafonen, in Husby, published a blog post on 14 May, the day after the shooting, in which the man who was shot was wrongfully described as "non-white". Megafonen also called for a demonstration against "police brutality" that would be held on 15 May, two days after the shooting, in that same blog post.
The riots involved several hundred rioters and resulted in the injury of at least seven police officers. On Tuesday, 28 May, Stockholm police reported that the situation was "back to normal" with no rioting, only a few torched cars, and no reports of unrest in other Swedish towns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Stockholm_riots
Plus either way speculating about the future of the American economy is really depressing. I mentioned two paths but we both know which one america will take.
:fbm slums filled with millions and Google Police :fbm
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-darren-wilson-support/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
#LetsGetBothSidesOfTheStory
I also feel that the reaction of the african american community hasn't been criticised
:sabu This country is fucked.
and the benefit of doubt isn't evenly distributed.
between FB and certain posters itt, I'm about to go see if I can join up with the local NoI
Kansas City Police Department Officer Marc Catron posted a picture to his Facebook page along with this caption: "I'm sure young Michael Brown is innocent and just misunderstood. I'm sure he is a pillar of the Ferguson community."
The photo depicted a black man with a wad of money in his mouth, pointing a gun at the camera. But the photo wasn't of Brown at all. It was of a man in Oregon accused of murder.
Catron also reportedly posted about the violence that has erupted in Ferguson since the fatal police shooting. "Remember how white people rioted after OJ's acquittal? Me neither," Catron wrote, according to the television station.
if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me.
[but of course...]
And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go. Finally, cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force: The moment a suspect submits and stops resisting, the officers must cease use of force.
:trash :trash :trash
Mr Dutta:
So which is it?
"you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search" or "just do what I tell you"
"You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant" or "Don’t argue with me"
"Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go" or "some officers engage in unprofessional and arrogant behavior"
"cops are legally prohibited from using excessive force" or "sometimes they behave like criminals themselves"
Well?
An unarmed kid got killed by a police officer, but let's wait for facts.
Well yes. Because sometimes homicide is justifiable.
Only the facts will help make that determination. And facts are in painfully short supply at the moment. So yeah. We wait.
The alternative is outrage based upon assumptions.
I've seen and talked with folks who had already presumed Brown must have deserved to die long before any of this robbery information, the autopsy info, or the cop's account of events, too. I tell them they're wrong to make assumptions like that, too. They fuss at me, too. It's kind of amusing, but mostly irritating.
In the meantime, by all means criticize the incompetence and the failure of the police force in the aftermath, as it is pretty much absolute and that's based upon facts in evidence.
At the same time, good law enforcement requires forging bonds of trust between the police and the public. This trust is all-important, but it is also fragile. It requires that force be used in appropriate ways. Enforcement priorities and arrest patterns must not lead to disparate treatment under the law, even if such treatment is unintended. And police forces should reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.http://online.wsj.com/articles/attorney-general-holder-writes-op-ed-to-ferguson-1408485160
Yay, fuckmark left the thread. Seriously, fuck off and die, don't presume to talk about shit you have NO clue about.
Also, I hope some of these journalists sue the fuck out of the police.
Yay, fuckmark left the thread. Seriously, fuck off and die, don't presume to talk about shit you have NO clue about.
Also, I hope some of these journalists sue the fuck out of the police.
Enh. I may not have been paying enough attention (frequently the case!) but it seems like when non-USA residents comment on sensitive or charged topics specific to the USA, their ignorance is usually attributed to willfulness or trolling. It seems to me they just don't know what it's like to have the messed up culture the USA has regarding race.
I agree about the journalists suing the fuck out of the police though. Get 'em! :punch
the only *true* post-racial utopia is canadaspoiler (click to show/hide)pay no attention to the native people behind that garbage pile :cancry[close]
the only *true* post-racial utopia is canadaspoiler (click to show/hide)pay no attention to the native people behind that garbage pile :cancry[close]
I have a problem with people playing "blank country is racist" like people do with Europe, probably because I haven't been there and I feel like that's not fair to judge a countries values without visiting. Especially since the country I'm from is already hella racist to begin with so throwing stones seems silly.
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The one thing that pretty much sealed the guilt for the cops was the way they handled everything up after the fact. Poisoning the well of the jury, failing to file reports. Leaving the corpse in the street for hours. Taking it away in a cop car :hitlerIt's this kind of baseless attack on the motives of peace warriors that makes real citizens want to stand up for our protectors and fight to keep all of our peace warriors on the frontlines between us and evil.
The innocent should be confident of their innocence :hitler
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#MyGirl #MikeBrown
Reddit is really badright now. Like really fucking bad.
i mean, they have a great apes sub so it's really no surprise
i mean, they have a great apes sub so it's really no surprise
Wow wtf? Not reading that site anymore.
www.neogaf.com
Yeah, no. Idiot's demonstrably false.I don't think this is one of those things you're allowed to decide for yourself.
Woman next to me at work is calling Holder anti - white :rofl
Must not interject :fbm
City: Memphis, Tennessee
Date: October 1974
Officers: Elton Hymon and Leslie Wright
Victim: Edward Garner
What happened: Officers Hymon and Wright were responding to a burglary call when Hymon spotted Garner, an unarmed 15-year-old, by a fence in the backyard of the home in question. After Hymon ordered Garner to halt, the teenager tried to climb the fence. In response, the officer shot him fatally in the head. A federal district court ruled that the shooting was justified under a Tennessee statute—the law said that once a police officer voices intent to arrest a suspect, "the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest." Garner's father appealed, and the case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled the Tennessee statute unconstitutional and the killing unjustified. Justice Byron White wrote for the majority: "It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead." Despite the reversal, the officer who shot Hymon was never charged.
City: Bronx, New York
Date: December 1994
Officer: Francis X. Livoti
Victim: Anthony Baez
What happened: Officer Livoti choked to death 29-year-old Anthony Baez in a case that would later be featured in a PBS documentary titled Every Mother's Son. After their football struck his patrol car, Livoti had ordered Baez and his brother to leave the area. When the brothers refused, Livoti attempted an arrest. After Baez allegedly resisted, the officer administered the choke hold that ended his life. Livoti, who had been accused of brutality 11 times over 11 years, was charged with criminally negligent homicide, but found not guilty during a state trial in October 1996. He was fired the following year, however, after a judge ruled his choke hold illegal. In June 1998, a federal jury sentenced him to 7.5 years in prison for violating Baez's civil rights, and the Baez family received a $3 million settlement from the city later that year. In 2003, two more cops were fired for giving false testimony in Livoti's defense.
City: Bronx, New York
Date: February 1999
Officers: Sean Carroll, Edward McMellon, Kenneth Boss, Richard Murphy
Victim: Amadou Diallo
What happened: Amadou Diallo, an unarmed, 23-year-old immigrant from Guinea, was killed in the vestibule of his own building when four white police officers fired 41 shots, striking him 19 times. Diallo had just returned home from his job as a street vendor at 12:44 a.m. when he was confronted by the plainclothes officers. The officers later said he matched the description of a rape suspect, and that they mistakenly believed he was reaching for a gun. (He was pulling out his wallet.) Three of the officers had been involved in previous shootings, including one that led to the death of another black civilian in 1997. The four cops were acquitted of all charges, prompting citywide protests. They were not fired, either, but lost permission to carry a weapon—although one of the officers eventually had his carrying privilege restored. In 2004, Diallo's family received a $3 million settlement from the city. His mother said her son had been saving to attend college and become a computer programmer. A foundation in Diallo's name seeks to promote racial healing.
City: Los Angeles, California
Date: October 2000
Officer: Tarriel Hopper
Victim: Anthony Dwain Lee
What happened: Lee, a 39-year-old black actor who had roles in the 1997 movie Liar Liar and the TV series ER, was attending a Halloween party when the LAPD showed up, responding to a noise complaint. According to police accounts, a group of officers were searching for the party's host when they found Lee and two other men in a small room, engaged in what the police claimed looked like a drug deal. Lee, who was dressed as a devil, allegedly held up a toy pistol, whereupon Officer Hopper fired several times, wounding him fatally. The LAPD's internal review board determined that the shooting was justified because Hopper had believed Lee's pistol was real and feared for his life.
City: Oakland, California
Date: January 2009
Officer: Johannes Mehserle
Victim: Oscar Grant
What happened: Early on New Year's Day, BART transit officers responding to reports of fighting on a train detained Oscar Grant, 22, and several other men on the platform at Fruitvale Station. In an incident captured on cell phone cameras, Officer Mehserle pulled out his gun and fatally shot Grant, who was face down on the platform at the time. Mehserle later testified that he thought he was reaching for his Taser while trying to put handcuffs on Grant, who resisted. A jury found Mehserle guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced him to two years in jail. He was released after serving 11 months at the Los Angeles County Jail. The episode was turned into the acclaimed 2013 feature film, Fruitvale Station.
Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
JayDubya isn't a troll, he's just an idiot.
Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
Jaydub, thoughts on the Boston Tea Party and dumping of legal goods into clean water? :hitler
Clean water? What, you expect me to make an environmental argument?
From memory, the East India Company was essentially inseparable from the British state and directed in its actions by Parliament; it was a monopoly and it was being used to impose an unjust tax on the people of the colonies. I'm still not overly keen on the particulars, but at least here the motives and the message is comprehensible. I appreciate that the British clampdown would not have happened without it, and that the motivation for revolution was so strong because of that clampdown.
Now, tell me what that has to do with randomly burning a QuikTrip for false rumors of "snitching?" Or a molotov cocktail to a Domino's Pizza for no reason at all?
Mike is can be hyperbolic, but he's typically pretty even keeled. His 'Pledge' era stuff is really the closest we've had to a modern Cube. He's far from the most out-there conspiracist in hip hop these days though. And you've gotta love a guy who can get a roomful of white kids to scream 'I'm glad Reagan's dead!' on a nightly basis.
You're right. He's not as bad as a K - Rino or even an Immortal Technique. Pledge II was so good btw. I simply expected him to go past objective violations of civil rights a little more into overarching state conspiracy against black people territory.
Mike is can be hyperbolic, but he's typically pretty even keeled. His 'Pledge' era stuff is really the closest we've had to a modern Cube. He's far from the most out-there conspiracist in hip hop these days though. And you've gotta love a guy who can get a roomful of white kids to scream 'I'm glad Reagan's dead!' on a nightly basis.
You're right. He's not as bad as a K - Rino or even an Immortal Technique. Pledge II was so good btw. I simply expected him to go past objective violations of civil rights a little more into overarching state conspiracy against black people territory.
Mike has some insane views, but this was a nice write up. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the second amendment, which is one of his big things. Personally I'd love to see a return to black armed (peaceful) demonstrations, just to expose the hypocrisy of gun nuts on the right.
Also where is Karakand to tell me if confiscated milk is taxed differently than regular milk?
Well, I am surprised.JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).
Nope. Fuck that guy. He is an apologist for needless violence.
You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say. You can tell them no. They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful.
Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.
problem with this wait-and-see bullshit is that WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. he was killed in a busy appointment complex; multiple people live blogged it as it occurred, and many people also took pics and video. all of this is circulating around the internet; you just have to look somewhere beyond some right-wing bs site our a garbage msm outlet. there are pics of the officer standing over Mike's, body and he very clearly has zero injuries.Yes, but that doesn't change the process nor does it change that said processes will be messy and take a long time.
not to mention that the idea that an unarmed kid would charge a police officer with intent to kill - let alone a black teenager who grew up in north county charging a white police officer - is so laughably stupid that it doesn't deserve serious consideration in the first place.
didn't even notice the thread title change; thanks queen! :rock
p.s. fuck jaydub
I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/)
:american
Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave.
Every person stopped by a cop should feel safe instead of feeling that their wellbeing is in jeopardy.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ctv-s-tom-walters-among-journalists-arrested-in-ferguson-1.1968102If we had started sooner we wouldn't be in this mess.
You know shits bad when you get to arresting Canadians.
Becoming?http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ctv-s-tom-walters-among-journalists-arrested-in-ferguson-1.1968102
You know shits bad when you get to arresting Canadians.
Yep. This is becoming an international embarrassment for the United States.
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
Quote from: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
:beli
Quote from: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
:beli
Godbless this cop, so dedicated to cleaning up the streets that he's willing to throw himself down the stairs to get the work done.
nah i think most white people are perfectly aware of the racial issues in canada, whether they be between natives and whites in central/northern canada, chinese and whites in western canada, and even anglophones/francophones in eastern canada. plus there's the whole stupidity between christians and sikhs, the increasing animosity in winnipeg between african immigrants and natives, i dunno, i could go on forever here. canadians are pretty aware of all of this, we just don't like to talk about it to other countries because our fragile sense of moral superiority is about all we have over the usa. but there's a reason we refer to canada as a cultural mosaic rather than a melting pot.I'd actually prefer a legitimate "cultural mosaic" over a "melting pot." I remember living in Fremont, California at one point, and there were Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Cambodian immigrants, but almost all of them seemed to want a 3BR, 2 bath house with a white picket fence. Homogeneity sucks.
Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.
Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.
Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.This is why nobody takes LWNJ's seriously. First they want to get rid of all the churches and "under God" from the Pledge and stuff, and then when the police do break up a criminal conspiracy within a church the same LWNJ's complain about it and want churches to have special protection.
Quit mentioning personal shit, you dumb taco.Yeah that kid deserved to get shot.
Get back on your meds, clown.
According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
i guess the video hasn't been posted here
Warning this is video of the man being shot and killed, so it's graphic.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df3_1408576637
Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.This is why nobody takes LWNJ's seriously. First they want to get rid of all the churches and "under God" from the Pledge and stuff, and then when the police do break up a criminal conspiracy within a church the same LWNJ's complain about it and want churches to have special protection.
i guess the video hasn't been posted here
Warning this is video of the man being shot and killed, so it's graphic.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df3_1408576637
Is this Brown getting shot? Cause Im not gonna watch it
Yes, it is. It's from a distance so it's not as bad as it could be, but it's definitely a human being killed. He definitely stole from that store, it looks like the employee followed him out and gave him shit, maybe called the cops or they were in the neighborhood. He was acting like an asshole, the cops more or less came out of the car with guns drawn, he climbed up onto a raised lawn and yelled "I'm unarmed, don't shoot" while they were yelling for him to do something I couldn't make out. Then they shoot the guy, he falls off the raised lawn as they keep shooting, and now we know why that last shot went the way it did, because he was on the ground when the last shot was fired.
He was acting like a fucking clown but he didn't appear to be a threat of any kind. Definitely looked like a straight up murder to me. But it was from a distance.
once again - the police account of the shooting and the video are miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles apart.
But... #weshouldwaitforthefacts of course. Two sides to every story and all that - just because one side is completely at odds with footage of the event doesn't mean that's not how it happened!
I liked the "we could have used non-lethal force but..." argument ... :/
to be fair, the "he held his hands up and they still shot him" story wasn't true either, nor the story that he didn't steal from the store.
Doesn't make just gunning him down okay, but the truth wasn't what anyone was saying.
If in two weeks they cant produce a pic of this officer being all banged up then you know they are bullshitting.
I wouldnt put it past the popo to beat up one of their own now to make the story stick either
Lost five facebook friends over my ferguson posts. dunno who but they're gone. Ballin.
If in two weeks they cant produce a pic of this officer being all banged up then you know they are bullshitting.
I wouldnt put it past the popo to beat up one of their own now to make the story stick either
They had a pic of him at a police event accepting some award of some shit immediately after killing Mike and he had nothing on his face, not even a band-aid. We have footage of him pacing around after killing him, and he doesn't look to be hurt at all.
Lost five facebook friends over my ferguson posts. dunno who but they're gone. Ballin.
JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).
Nope. Fuck that guy. He is an apologist for needless violence.
You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say. You can tell them no. They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful.
Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.
Is it okay to at least "wait for the fact" that this isn't even the mike brown shooting, which MIGHT have something to do with why it doesn't match the police account of that shooting?
Has this been posted yet?: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Open-carry-advocates-march-in-South-Dallas-272079771.htmlAs a Texas resident I'm an advocate for anyone Open Carrying :hyper :hyper
Blacks open carrying in Dallas in support of Ferguson protesters. Surprised the media hasn't exploded or a white militia hasn't occurred or a shootout between cops and them, because there's nothing scarier than a black person with a gun in this country, apparently.
JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).
Nope. Fuck that guy. He is an apologist for needless violence.
You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say. You can tell them no. They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful.
Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.
I'm gonna forward this to Eric Garner
Oh wait he died doing what you said
Link to what the police said happened in this shooting?QuoteIs it okay to at least "wait for the fact" that this isn't even the mike brown shooting, which MIGHT have something to do with why it doesn't match the police account of that shooting?
i'll "wait for the fact" that you've read the report on this non-mike brown shooting and then watched the video - see if you can see those overarm stabbing motions etc etc. ;)
(aka Yes, i know it's not the Mike Brown shooting)
edit: ah - i see - i didn't mention the new shooting. But yeah - again - for the new shooting : watch the video - listen to the description of what happened in the police's eyes and then watched what happens. Whilst the guy did seem to be acting odd, the police take on what happened and the reality are pretty far apart.
If it's true that Wilson sustained injuries it would have made FAR more sense to release a picture of him (censored to protect his identity) instead of a video assassinating Brown's character. That alone suggests something isn't right. If you're innocent, act innocent. You would think that the police would leak the medical examination report; if it showed undeniable damage it would pretty much deflate the momentum for Brown's case. Not saying it's right or justified but if Brown beat the shit out of a cop and got shot in response then most people would be :yeshrug
If it's true that Wilson sustained injuries it would have made FAR more sense to release a picture of him (censored to protect his identity) instead of a video assassinating Brown's character. That alone suggests something isn't right. If you're innocent, act innocent. You would think that the police would leak the medical examination report; if it showed undeniable damage it would pretty much deflate the momentum for Brown's case. Not saying it's right or justified but if Brown beat the shit out of a cop and got shot in response then most people would be :yeshrug
Yup, in a nutshell. Instead these guys are taking their time, moving shifty as fuck, and coming up with some Rick Ross caliber ducktales (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/duckr.png)
Claim some guy fractured your orbitals after you were standing around chilling near his dead body for hours instead of documenting your story and receiving medical attention brehs
Release autopsy reports that don't detail any physical trauma to Browns hands, arms or face hat would occur from a serious physical altercation brehs
Fraud your way out of manslaughter when you're supposed to protect the people brehs
Claim some guy fractured your orbitals after you were standing around chilling near his dead body for hours instead of documenting your story and receiving medical attention brehs
I just don't understand why people don't realize nor understand that if the police response was justified, this would have been over 11 days ago. If the police had confidence in their statements, we would have had an incident report, proof of said beating, and they wouldn't have filed Wilson out of town while he was mowing his grass.
I just don't understand why people don't realize nor understand that if the police response was justified, this would have been over 11 days ago. If the police had confidence in their statements, we would have had an incident report, proof of said beating, and they wouldn't have filed Wilson out of town while he was mowing his grass.
The only argument I can kind of understand -- and I stress the "kind of" part because I'm not any sort of expert on these sorts of issues of legal protocol -- is that releasing information like that about an ongoing investigation is either against protocol, or there are concerns that it weakens the defense? With the different agencies involved and concern about an angry populace that is anxious to see justice served, I can kind of see why you might wait until all your ducks are in a row before presenting the slam dunk package of evidence that contradicts what people currently believed happen.
But again, I'm ignorant of protocol and how this stuff usually goes down. Intuitively, I feel like this stuff would either be officially released or unofficially leaked via better means than what we've been seeing it (i.e. proof of Wilson's broken orbital bone available exclusively on some racist website).
I just don't understand why people don't realize nor understand that if the police response was justified, this would have been over 11 days ago. If the police had confidence in their statements, we would have had an incident report, proof of said beating, and they wouldn't have filed Wilson out of town while he was mowing his grass.
The only argument I can kind of understand -- and I stress the "kind of" part because I'm not any sort of expert on these sorts of issues of legal protocol -- is that releasing information like that about an ongoing investigation is either against protocol, or there are concerns that it weakens the defense? With the different agencies involved and concern about an angry populace that is anxious to see justice served, I can kind of see why you might wait until all your ducks are in a row before presenting the slam dunk package of evidence that contradicts what people currently believed happen.
But again, I'm ignorant of protocol and how this stuff usually goes down. Intuitively, I feel like this stuff would either be officially released or unofficially leaked via better means than what we've been seeing it (i.e. proof of Wilson's broken orbital bone available exclusively on some racist website).
But let's be real, they released the shop video to the public despite being advised not to, so it's pretty clear they don't give a shit about protocol anyways.
It can't be against protocol. That guy that was shot for having a knife, the police were immediate in their response of releasing information.I just don't understand why people don't realize nor understand that if the police response was justified, this would have been over 11 days ago. If the police had confidence in their statements, we would have had an incident report, proof of said beating, and they wouldn't have filed Wilson out of town while he was mowing his grass.
The only argument I can kind of understand -- and I stress the "kind of" part because I'm not any sort of expert on these sorts of issues of legal protocol -- is that releasing information like that about an ongoing investigation is either against protocol, or there are concerns that it weakens the defense? With the different agencies involved and concern about an angry populace that is anxious to see justice served, I can kind of see why you might wait until all your ducks are in a row before presenting the slam dunk package of evidence that contradicts what people currently believed happen.
But again, I'm ignorant of protocol and how this stuff usually goes down. Intuitively, I feel like this stuff would either be officially released or unofficially leaked via better means than what we've been seeing it (i.e. proof of Wilson's broken orbital bone available exclusively on some racist website).
It can't be against protocol. That guy that was shot for having a knife, the police were immediate in their response of releasing information.I just don't understand why people don't realize nor understand that if the police response was justified, this would have been over 11 days ago. If the police had confidence in their statements, we would have had an incident report, proof of said beating, and they wouldn't have filed Wilson out of town while he was mowing his grass.
The only argument I can kind of understand -- and I stress the "kind of" part because I'm not any sort of expert on these sorts of issues of legal protocol -- is that releasing information like that about an ongoing investigation is either against protocol, or there are concerns that it weakens the defense? With the different agencies involved and concern about an angry populace that is anxious to see justice served, I can kind of see why you might wait until all your ducks are in a row before presenting the slam dunk package of evidence that contradicts what people currently believed happen.
But again, I'm ignorant of protocol and how this stuff usually goes down. Intuitively, I feel like this stuff would either be officially released or unofficially leaked via better means than what we've been seeing it (i.e. proof of Wilson's broken orbital bone available exclusively on some racist website).
Bah I didn't read the link closely. I uh blame GAF for the misleading link.I doubt you've been following the Mike Brown situation at all if you confused that vid for his shooting. :ufup
Bah I didn't read the link closely. I uh blame GAF for the misleading link.I doubt you've been following the Mike Brown situation at all if you confused that vid for his shooting. :ufup
man, those are some insane commentsThe best are the "so you think people walking in the middle of the street shouldn't be ticketed?" like there isn't a middle ground between letting people jaywalk and shooting them.
man, those are some insane commentsThe best are the "so you think people walking in the middle of the street shouldn't be ticketed?" like there isn't a middle ground between letting people jaywalk and shooting them.
Eric garner was murdered with the entire event, beginning to end, on video, using an illegal chokehold, and no ones arrested.
Eric garner was murdered with the entire event, beginning to end, on video, using an illegal chokehold, and no ones arrested.
a) In the St. Louis shooting, guy holding knife screams kill me and walks towards police officer. Mental issues, obvious suicide by cop, entire event on film. Not much ambiguity there. Surprised anyone thought it was the Brown shooting.
I can't hear any shouts of Kill me now, repeatedly,
Also - noticed a lot of non-lethal things aren't standard issue - tazers join that list.
Police said Crawford was waving the rifle at customers, but Crawford’s lawyer said store surveillance video shows Crawford was just holding the BB gun he likely intended to buy.
The police were called by a customer in the store who reported someone wielding a gun. “When the police came … the BB gun was in a down position,” Wright said. “He was kinda using the BB gun as what it looked like was a crutch. He was just leaning on it. And at some point, he raised it up and he was shot and killed. At no point in time was he facing the officers. At no point in time was there any type of suggestive movements or anything like that.”
I can clearly hear the subject yell "Shoot me! Shoot me! Shoot me now, motherfucker!"
but if the guy was brandishing a knife in any way, I understand why they did what they did
In related police shooting news:Fucking hell. This is so unreal.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/21/3474119/one-of-the-two-officers-who-killed-a-man-in-wal-mart-is-back-to-work/ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/08/21/3474119/one-of-the-two-officers-who-killed-a-man-in-wal-mart-is-back-to-work/)QuotePolice said Crawford was waving the rifle at customers, but Crawford’s lawyer said store surveillance video shows Crawford was just holding the BB gun he likely intended to buy.QuoteThe police were called by a customer in the store who reported someone wielding a gun. “When the police came … the BB gun was in a down position,” Wright said. “He was kinda using the BB gun as what it looked like was a crutch. He was just leaning on it. And at some point, he raised it up and he was shot and killed. At no point in time was he facing the officers. At no point in time was there any type of suggestive movements or anything like that.”
Fuck the facts.
granted, but those same factors might be in play with the mike brown account, as well, right? that's more the point i was trying to make.
why are the US police so ill equipped to deal with this (or less prepared to deal with this) than , say, UK cops... Japan cops?
Both deal regularly with mentally unstable armed members of the public without the need to resort to lethal force - the idea that "officers safety comes first", whilst an ideal, it is seen as part of the risk of the services in the UK (including rescue services)
why are the US police so ill equipped to deal with this (or less prepared to deal with this) than , say, UK cops... Japan cops?
Both deal regularly with mentally unstable armed members of the public without the need to resort to lethal force - the idea that "officers safety comes first", whilst an ideal, it is seen as part of the risk of the services in the UK (including rescue services)
I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the UK and Japan both simultaneously provide better access to mental health care and don't lock up non-violent drug offenders like they're murderers, creating a large criminal class of people who just want to get fucked up.
I don't know from a "macro" level what accounts for the difference (well, beyond the fact that UK beat cops don't carry sidearms :P ), but all I can say is, from a personal perspective, that a knife-wielding subject is a lethal threat, and I am not going to take my chances and wrestle him for it.
well, i assume cops get knife defense training (f-ck, *I* have that training (
I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the UK and Japan both simultaneously provide better access to mental health care and don't lock up non-violent drug offenders like they're murderers, creating a large criminal class of people who just want to get fucked up.
:rofl
:japancry
Okay, now it's time for *me* to pull out a "bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha"
Yeah, we do just enough knife defence training to learn how fucked you are if you try to go hands-on with a knife-wielding assailant.
Probably has more to do with empowering cops over here as trigger happy fucktards as opposed to public servants then? Again, don't know what it's like over there so hard to say from my standpoint.
All this talk of edged weapons reminded me of one of my favorite Youtube videos:There is no part of Surviving Edged Weapons that isn't amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fTaK2RDxNA
Oklahoma City policeman arrested for raping women while on patrol (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-usa-oklahoma-crime-idUSKBN0GL2DL20140821)
More details here: http://newsok.com/cop-arrested-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-at-least-6-women-while-on-patrol/article/5334344
Oklahoma City policeman arrested for raping women while on patrol (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-usa-oklahoma-crime-idUSKBN0GL2DL20140821)
More details here: http://newsok.com/cop-arrested-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-at-least-6-women-while-on-patrol/article/5334344
Just in case you needed anything more to make that WaPo article from a few pages ago ring even more hollow, there you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n95mxT1AkpI
whoops
Yeah, it seems clear at this point all we're going to get is anonymous, sometimes conflicting sources until this grand jury hearing is over with.
Though I don't know what to do now that I've found out my grandmother is a LWNJ.
dunno if the comparison was made in the other thread, but Kara really is like an episode of Frasier come to life.
Later in his remarks, Page told a questioner in the audience: “Policemen are very cynical. I know I am. I don’t trust anybody. I hate everybody. I hate y’all, too. I hate everybody. I’m into diversity – I kill everybody. I don’t care.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/ferguson-officer-relieved-duty-video-racist-remarks (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/ferguson-officer-relieved-duty-video-racist-remarks)QuoteLater in his remarks, Page told a questioner in the audience: “Policemen are very cynical. I know I am. I don’t trust anybody. I hate everybody. I hate y’all, too. I hate everybody. I’m into diversity – I kill everybody. I don’t care.”
:lenowned
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/us/in-washington-second-thoughts-on-arming-police.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=lede-package&WT.nav=lede-package
w00t, the thing that white people were outraged at is getting some official attention.
(http://i.imgur.com/VQd4P21.png)http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/ferguson-officer-relieved-duty-video-racist-remarks (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/ferguson-officer-relieved-duty-video-racist-remarks)QuoteLater in his remarks, Page told a questioner in the audience: “Policemen are very cynical. I know I am. I don’t trust anybody. I hate everybody. I hate y’all, too. I hate everybody. I’m into diversity – I kill everybody. I don’t care.”
:lenowned
Holy shit... :-\
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the difference between us and them is shoddy photoshop, faux patriosm, twin tower imagery, white privs and Jebus?
Are you originally from NY? I feel like everyone online calls it WTC
@ShaunKing · 51m:tocry
Family members of Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, and Jordan Davis have all joined the Mike Brown funeral.
Quote@ShaunKing · 51m:tocry
Family members of Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin, Sean Bell, Oscar Grant, and Jordan Davis have all joined the Mike Brown funeral.
The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.
The administration's handling of the Brown funeral already has started to raise comparisons between the two.
Gotta love the language of that line tacked on at the end. No one outside of Fox News is making that comparison or would even have thought to make it.
For Monday's funeral, the White House sent two officials with the White House Office of Public Engagement as well as Broderick Johnson, chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force.
Look at these TOP RANKING OFFICIALS that were in attendance:Yeah, but look who they sent to Thatcher's:QuoteFor Monday's funeral, the White House sent two officials with the White House Office of Public Engagement as well as Broderick Johnson, chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force.
lmao
For that, the White House sent former secretaries of State George Schultz and James Baker III -- as well as the charge d'affaires to the U.K. and the former U.S. ambassador.Pretty much an insult to not send Broderick Johnson, chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force.
The White House also came under criticism recently when Obama did not attend the funeral for Maj. Gen. Harold Greene, the highest-ranking U.S. military officer killed in combat since the Vietnam War.Shameful.
He was killed in a suspected insider attack in Afghanistan. Obama was in Martha's Vineyard during the funeral, but Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno attended.
When Greene's body arrived at Dover Air Force Base days earlier, Odierno and Army Secretary John McHugh reportedly were there for the transfer. While White House officials typically do not attend these transfers, Obama and past U.S. presidents do from time to time. Obama and top Defense officials attended the transfer, for instance, of the remains of 30 U.S. service members killed in Afghanistan in 2011 when their helicopter was shot down.
Meanwhile, the highest-level administration official at the 2010 funeral for border agent Brian Terry was then-Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
This is the equivalent of sending Black Widow and Hawkeye to the funeral.
The White House should have sent protesters to Thatcher's funeral. 8)
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Remember, we are the example of peaceful.
WE ALL ARE DARREN WILSON!
First off, the cause of death according to the report was a suicide, which is drastically different from the seemingly accidental shooting initially described by police officials. According to Victor III's family, he had no history of mental illness or depression. And even if he did, the back seat of a cop car at one in the morning is a strange place to decide to snuff it.
Despite initial statements made by authorities that said Victor III was shot in the back, the report describes no back wounds at all. Instead, his cause of death is described as a gunshot to his right chest that perforated his left lung and heart, exited through his left armpit, and lacerated his upper arm. It was reported in initial local accounts of the shooting that Victor III was handcuffed behind his back. So in order for him to have shot himself in the chest, he would have had to pull himself through his cuffed arms in the backseat of that cop car—and of course, have a gun in the first place.
The report also lists two abrasions on Victor III's upper left face and around his eye, which seems to be in line with what White's father, Victor White Sr., told me a couple weeks after his son's death: "I know they beat him before he arrived at the station," he said, "because those who were with him before he was arrested said he didn’t have a mark on him.”
On July 29 in Jonesboro, Arkansas, 21-year-old Chavis Carter and two companions were pulled over for suspicious driving. Police searched the car and found about ten bucks worth of marijuana, some baggies, some scales, and an as-yet-unidentified white powder. Carter's companions were let go, but Carter was put in the back of a patrol car because he had given cops a fake name and had skipped out on a drug diversion program in Mississippi (he had plead guilty to one count of selling marijuana). Carter was first uncuffed, then cuffed after a second search revealed the aforementioned charges, as well as scales and white powder. Somehow, at some point during that evening, Carter ended up shot in the head while cuffed and apparently left alone long enough to pull out a 380-caliber Cobra semi-automatic from...somewhere. Cops say it was self-inflicted
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Carter's mother says her son was let handed, but he shot himself in the right temple (cops won't confirm), also that he called his girlfriend when he was getting arrested and said he would call her later, suggesting that suicide over ten bucks worth of weed was not on the man's mind. The Jonesboro chief of police Michael Yates that CNN reporter Randi Caye interviews, near the end of the report won't confirm that investigators (which now include the FBI) have ruled out that Carter was killed by one of the officers on the scene, though the chief says it doesn't seem to be what happened. He also admits that nearby officers' apparent inability to tell what gunfire sounds like (Caye is incredulous while asking this question) is not a good sign. It is also "disappointing" that the officers found the drugs and paraphernalia, but missed a gun.
There were dash cams on both police cruisers present at the scene, but they were parked back to back, therefore the shooting was not captured on video.
A state crime lab report claims Chavis Carter, the man shot to death while handcuffed in the back of a Jonesboro, Arkansas police cruiser, committed suicide.
The left-handed Carter, the report claims, retrieved a 380-caliber Cobra semi-automatic, which he had managed to conceal from officers during two searches, and used his right hand to shoot himself in the head.
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"How (did) he shoot himself in his right temple and he (was) left-handed? In handcuffs?" one of his friends, Bianca Tipton, asked.
The state crime lab report, released to The Associated Press and other news organizations under a public records request, didn't answer that question.
Instead, the report says Carter's death was ruled a suicide based on autopsy findings and investigative conclusions from the Jonesboro Police Department, which has faced questions from Carter's family and community members about the circumstances surrounding the July 28 death.
"He was cuffed and placed into a police car, where apparently he produced a weapon, and despite being handcuffed, shot himself in the head," the report says.
There is no backseat footage of Carter himself.
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According to their written report, officers took Carter out of the patrol car, placed him under arrest, searched him, handcuffed his hands behind his back, and then locked him inside with the vehicle’s windows tightly closed. Several witnesses observed it all. An aunt of Carter’s arrived at the scene, presumably summoned by cellphone. Informed of the charges, she drove off.
As the officers walked toward the second patrol car to interview the other suspects, the report says, “I saw a vehicle driving north on Haltom and then heard a loud thump with a metallic sound. I thought the vehicle had ran over a piece of metal on the roadway.”
Yeah let's keep acting like an 18 year old is a Resident Evil boss, brehs.you never know with all these new age super negroes running around these days
Especially when they get the marijuana in them.Yeah let's keep acting like an 18 year old is a Resident Evil boss, brehs.you never know with all these new age super negroes running around these days
As darkness fell on Canfield Drive on August 9, a makeshift memorial sprang up in the middle of the street where Michael Brown's body had been sprawled in plain view for more than four hours. Flowers and candles were scattered over the bloodstains on the pavement. Someone had affixed a stuffed animal to a streetlight pole a few yards away. Neighborhood residents and others were gathering, many of them upset and angry.
Soon, police vehicles reappeared, including from the St. Louis County Police Department, which had taken control of the investigation. Several officers emerged with dogs. What happened next, according to several sources, was emblematic of what has inflamed the city of Ferguson, Missouri, ever since the unarmed 18-year-old was gunned down: An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site.
The day brought other indignities for Brown's family, and the community. Missouri state Rep. Sharon Pace, whose district includes the neighborhood where the shooting occurred, told me she went to the scene that afternoon to comfort the parents, who were blocked by police from approaching their son's body. Pace purchased some tea lights for the family, and around 7 p.m. she joined Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, and others as they placed the candles and sprinkled flowers on the ground where Brown had died. "They spelled out his initials with rose petals over the bloodstains," Pace recalled.
By then, police had prohibited all vehicles from entering Canfield Drive except for their own. Soon the candles and flowers had been smashed, after police drove over them.
If you believe that the only or most likely explanation for the location of the head wound is that Brown charged the officer, during which he received five shots first, you're fucking crazy. End of discussion. We're not talking about some combatants in Vietnam dusted off angeldust and adrenaline shrugging off gun shots. MOST people under normal circumstances would be down after one shot, maybe two. Go watch some ISIS videos and see how people react to getting shot in the leg.
If you believe that the only or most likely explanation for the location of the head wound is that Brown charged the officer, during which he received five shots first, you're fucking crazy. End of discussion. We're not talking about some combatants in Vietnam dusted off angeldust and adrenaline shrugging off gun shots. MOST people under normal circumstances would be down after one shot, maybe two. Go watch some ISIS videos and see how people react to getting shot in the leg.
I am not endorsing the police version of the story. I am not saying anything about the incident itself.
But the above statement is complete ignorant bullshit that has no bearing to reality. PD, you have no idea what you are talking about, and the fact that you watch some YouTube videos, and then style yourself expert enough to declare "end of discussion" on your completely wrong opinion is absurd.
There has been a LOT of poor police behaviour in the past few weeks, and a lot of reasons to be pissed and outraged over that fact, but that still doesn't mean I'm going to give you a pass for being a dumbass and acting like an expert about it. You are wrong. Period.
If you believe that the only or most likely explanation for the location of the head wound is that Brown charged the officer, during which he received five shots first, you're fucking crazy. End of discussion. We're not talking about some combatants in Vietnam dusted off angeldust and adrenaline shrugging off gun shots. MOST people under normal circumstances would be down after one shot, maybe two. Go watch some ISIS videos and see how people react to getting shot in the leg.
I am not endorsing the police version of the story. I am not saying anything about the incident itself.
But the above statement is complete ignorant bullshit that has no bearing to reality. PD, you have no idea what you are talking about, and the fact that you watch some YouTube videos, and then style yourself expert enough to declare "end of discussion" on your completely wrong opinion is absurd.
There has been a LOT of poor police behaviour in the past few weeks, and a lot of reasons to be pissed and outraged over that fact, but that still doesn't mean I'm going to give you a pass for being a dumbass and acting like an expert about it. You are wrong. Period.
Deal with it. I'll say it again: if you believe THAT story is the most likely explanation you're crazy. Or a police officer making excuses for a fellow officer.
This has nothing to do with "being an expert" at shit. You don't need to be an expert to figure out that getting shot five times, including multiple shots in the leg, would drop the average person. The idea that he took five bullets and kept charging is ludicrous, and if you can't acknowledge that I can't fuck with you right now bro. Especially after the audio.
This has nothing to do with "being an expert" at shit. You don't need to be an expert to figure out that getting shot five times, including multiple shots in the leg, would drop the average person. The idea that he took five bullets and kept charging is ludicrous, and if you can't acknowledge that I can't fuck with you right now bro. Especially after the audio.If you believe that the only or most likely explanation for the location of the head wound is that Brown charged the officer, during which he received five shots first, you're fucking crazy. End of discussion. We're not talking about some combatants in Vietnam dusted off angeldust and adrenaline shrugging off gun shots. MOST people under normal circumstances would be down after one shot, maybe two. Go watch some ISIS videos and see how people react to getting shot in the leg.
I am not endorsing the police version of the story. I am not saying anything about the incident itself.
But the above statement is complete ignorant bullshit that has no bearing to reality. PD, you have no idea what you are talking about, and the fact that you watch some YouTube videos, and then style yourself expert enough to declare "end of discussion" on your completely wrong opinion is absurd.
There has been a LOT of poor police behaviour in the past few weeks, and a lot of reasons to be pissed and outraged over that fact, but that still doesn't mean I'm going to give you a pass for being a dumbass and acting like an expert about it. You are wrong. Period.
This has nothing to do with "being an expert" at shit. You don't need to be an expert to figure out that getting shot five times, including multiple shots in the leg, would drop the average person. The idea that he took five bullets and kept charging is ludicrous, and if you can't acknowledge that I can't fuck with you right now bro. Especially after the audio.If you believe that the only or most likely explanation for the location of the head wound is that Brown charged the officer, during which he received five shots first, you're fucking crazy. End of discussion. We're not talking about some combatants in Vietnam dusted off angeldust and adrenaline shrugging off gun shots. MOST people under normal circumstances would be down after one shot, maybe two. Go watch some ISIS videos and see how people react to getting shot in the leg.
I am not endorsing the police version of the story. I am not saying anything about the incident itself.
But the above statement is complete ignorant bullshit that has no bearing to reality. PD, you have no idea what you are talking about, and the fact that you watch some YouTube videos, and then style yourself expert enough to declare "end of discussion" on your completely wrong opinion is absurd.
There has been a LOT of poor police behaviour in the past few weeks, and a lot of reasons to be pissed and outraged over that fact, but that still doesn't mean I'm going to give you a pass for being a dumbass and acting like an expert about it. You are wrong. Period.
You're right, my bad. Carry on folks, the accountant definitely knows what he's talking about here.
Gotta side with Boogs here. It's a fact that the negro's musculature allows them to ignore stopping power of basic ranged attacks, but only if they use their bull charge ability with their head down and arms out. Something you might not know without police experience, I guess.That's only if they've leveled up enough, this thug was spending all his time on the devil weed and robbing stores which give you real low XP instead of taking basic leveling up quests like kill 10 honkies and steal their loot.
I have yet to see someone who believes the police story actually explain anything about how it would work other than throwing up their hands and saying "You just don't get it!"The problem is that there isn't actually a "police story" as Wilson never filed an incident report. And the only one the police issued was a basic one that says who/what/where somebody got shot. So you have to wait for the county investigation and as of last week they *still* hadn't received a report from Wilson himself.
OK, then help us "get it". Explain why everyone's wrong. Don't just throw up your hands and walk away. Otherwise people will suspect, rightly, that you're just being indignant to be indignant and you got nothing.
What we really need is a vortex explanation that will solve everything.
I'm not being facetious, I'd actually like his expert opinion, he probably knows more than any of us how the situation might have gone down. But I'm highly doubtful that a "he was charging the officer" ISN'T an attempt to portray Brown as a thug.
It is simply a fact, that in a hypothetical "justified " shooting, a determined, motivated subject can fight through multiple gunshots from a pistol before being stopped by the shots.How far can they go?
It is simply a fact, that in a hypothetical "justified " shooting, a determined, motivated subject can fight through multiple gunshots from a pistol before being stopped by the shots.How far can they go?
It was a serious question though. :c
Story in Utah?
Uh, I don't think the Brown shooting was getting much of any attention until people protested it.
Maybe people in SLC should get out and protest police actions?
Chief Jon Belmar said Wednesday that in his opinion -- as well as in the opinion of police chiefs around the country -- much of the military-style equipment now used by police is necessary “because we patrol very urban areas.”
See, by "urban" he means "black"
yeah, i'm surprised he's not aware that everyone knows exactly what the fuck people mean when they say 'urban'.
It was a serious question though. :c
There is no hard answer to that question, it depends on many factors.
Different situation, not a police shooting :
http://m.torontosun.com/2014/08/26/woman-killed-in-nightclub-shooting
Just happened this week. Woman is shot once and dies. Male shot "Up to six times" (edit: apparently 5 times) and is still able to walk a block and a half to a gas station to call 911. There's some security video footage showing that he's walking at a fair pace for being shot multiple times.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off
:rofl
Boogie is also Canadian so he's a trust worthy police officer unlike an american one.
I figured you'd be posting some study or actual evidence, not one example.
Minnesota City Pages identified the man, who spoke to them, as Chris Lollie. He was arrested for "disorderly conduct" and "obstructing the legal process," and was charged with those crimes as well as trespassing. They were, unsurprisingly, all dropped. Police insist they were dealing with an "uncooperative male refusing to leave" and said there were no complaints filed after the incident (many incidents of police brutality can go unreported), which happened in January but video of which only emerged online this month. The YouTube user who posted claims the cellphone was seized for six months (likely the length of time before charges were dropped and the "investigation" ended).
Y'all know people are going to look at the countries who have seats on CERD (e.g. Algeria, Russia, PRC) and just dismiss that statement right?I dismissed it because it was from any part of the U.N.
In a 2012 lawsuit, a Ferguson officer allegedly hog-tied and choked a 12-year-old boy in the driveway of his home as he was checking the mail. The lawsuit accuses two officers of using "unreasonable and excessive" force.
white folks more concerned for some celebrity sluts getting exposed, than for an 18 year old kid being turned to swiss cheese in the street.esch is Indian. Direct your outrage on something that deserves and dont you dare piss on my parade
yeah i know filler, i haven't seen *any* white people talking about mike brown and ferguson on the internetWe should really put dashcams on those landslides.
that said, i can't help but notice the african-american community's shameful silence on the 40+ japanese people killed in a landslide a week and a half ago
"If you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me."
Officer Tahreem Zeus Rana, 23, was arrested at an airport Thursday morning for kidnapping, murder, tampering with evidence, and arson while attempting to flee to Mexico.
killer
Last Friday, Rana met up with a woman named Valencia Woodard, 26, after responding to an ad she had posted. Woodard had been in Georgia from New York for less than a week, it is likely she moved to be closer to her eight year old daughter who was living in Georgia with her grandmother.
Detective Stephen Cushing reports that Rana picked her up, brought her to a dead end street not even a mile from his house, and shot her repeatedly with his .40 caliber glock issued by the department.
The U.S. Justice Department is planning to take a top-to-bottom look at the Ferguson, Missouri, police department -- which has come under fire for its past practices in the uproar over the shooting of Michael Brown -- officials told CNN.
A Missouri official and a federal official told CNN on Wednesday that the civil rights division of the Justice Department is preparing to launch a new investigation into police in the St. Louis suburb.
The review will examine previous incidents and complaints involving police, as well as its training, to examine how the department operates, according to the Missouri official. It will look at whether the practices of Ferguson police -- and only Ferguson police -- violate federal law or the U.S. Constitution, said an official briefed on the investigation.
The broader Justice Department inquiry will cover whether the police in Ferguson have a history of discrimination or misuse of force beyond the Brown case, but the Justice Department has not ruled out expanding it to other St. Louis County departments, one of the federal officials said. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation had not been formally announced.
The officer found that Bolden had four arrest warrants in three separate jurisdictions: the towns of Florissant and Hazelwood in St. Louis County and the town of Foristell in St. Charles County. All of the warrants were for failure to appear in court for traffic violations. Bolden hadn’t appeared in court because she didn’t have the money. A couple of those fines were for speeding, one was for failure to wear her seatbelt and most of the rest were for what defense attorneys in the St. Louis area have come to call “poverty violations” — driving with a suspended license, expired plates, expired registration and a failure to provide proof of insurance.
The Florissant officer first took Bolden to the jail in that town, where Bolden posted a couple hundred dollars bond and was released at around midnight. She was next taken to Hazelwood and held at the jail there until she could post a second bond. That was another couple hundred dollars. She wasn’t released from her cell there until around 5 p.m. the next day. Exhausted, stressed, and still worried about what her kids had seen, she was finally taken to the St. Charles County jail for the outstanding warrant in Foristell. Why the county jail? Because the tiny town of 500 isn’t large enough to have its own holding cell, even though it does have a mayor, a board of aldermen, a municipal court and a seven-member police department. It’s probably best known locally for the speed trap its police set along I-70.
By the time Bolden got to St. Charles County, it had been well over 36 hours since the accident. “I hadn’t slept,” she says. “I was still in my same clothes. I was starting to lose my mind.” That’s when she says a police officer told her that if she couldn’t post bond, they’d keep her in jail until May [from March 20th]. “I just freaked out,” she says. “I said, ‘What about my babies? Who is going to take care of my babies?’” She says the officer just shrugged.
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The Foristell warrant stemmed from a speeding ticket in 2011. As mentioned before, Bolden didn’t show up in court because she didn’t have the money to pay it and feared they’d put her jail. It’s a common and unfortunate misconception among St. Louis County residents, especially those who don’t have an attorney to tell them otherwise. A town can’t put you in jail for lacking the money to pay a fine. But you can be jailed not appearing in court to tell the judge you can’t pay — and fined again for not showing up. After twice failing to appear for the Foristell ticket, Bolden showed up, was able to get the warrant removed and set up a payment plan with the court. But she says that a few months later, she was a couple days late with her payment. She says she called to notify the clerk, who told her not to worry. Instead, the town hit her with another warrant — the same warrant for which she was jailed in March.
Bolden’s bond was set at $1,700. No one she knew had that kind of money. Bolden broke down; she cried, she screamed, and she swore. She was given a psychological evaluation, and then put on suicide watch. She finds that memory particularly humiliating. Bolden would remain in jail for two weeks, until Foristell’s next municipal court session. She wouldn’t let her children come visit her. “I didn’t want them to see me like that,” she says. “I didn’t want them to think it was normal, that it was okay for one of us to be in jail. I missed them so much. But I wasn’t going to let them see me like that.”
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Voss was able to get Bolden’s bond reduced to $700, but that was still too much for Bolden or her family to pay. The judge also told Voss that he wouldn’t consider an indigency motion until the next session, which meant another two weeks in jail. Bolden was taken back to her cell. The next day, her mother borrowed against a life insurance policy to post her daughter’s bond. “It doesn’t just affect you,” Bolden says. “It affects your family. Your kids. Your friends. My mother is disabled. And she had to help me out. My sister had to put her life on hold to watch my kids.”
Stories like Bolden’s abound across the St. Louis area. And despite the efforts of the ArchCity Defenders and legal aid clinics like those at Saint Louis University and Washington University, the vast majority of the people swept up into the St. Louis County municipal court system don’t have attorneys to inform them of their rights or to negotiate with judges and prosecutors.
There are 90 municipalities in St. Louis County, and more in the surrounding counties. All but a few have their own police force, mayor, city manager and town council, and 81 have their own municipal court. To put that into perspective, consider Jackson County, Mo., which surrounds Kansas City. It is geographically larger than St. Louis County and has about two-thirds the population. Yet Jackson County has just 19 municipalities, and just 15 municipal courts — less than a quarter of municipalities and courts in St. Louis County.
Some of the towns in St. Louis County can derive 40 percent or more of their annual revenue from the petty fines and fees collected by their municipal courts. A majority of these fines are for traffic offenses, but they can also include fines for fare-hopping on MetroLink (St. Louis’s light rail system), loud music and other noise ordinance violations, zoning violations for uncut grass or unkempt property, violations of occupancy permit restrictions, trespassing, wearing “saggy pants,” business license violations and vague infractions such as “disturbing the peace” or “affray” that give police officers a great deal of discretion to look for other violations. In a white paper released last month (PDF), the ArchCity Defenders found a large group of people outside the courthouse in Bel-Ridge who had been fined for not subscribing to the town’s only approved garbage collection service. They hadn’t been fined for having trash on their property, only for not paying for the only legal method the town had designated for disposing of trash.
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Locals say the cops and court officers often come not only from different zip codes, but from completely different cultures and lifestyles than the people whose fines and court fees fund their paychecks. “It was always apparent that police don’t usually have a lot in common with the towns where they work,” says Javad Khazaeli, whose firm Khazaeli Wyrsch represents municipal court clients pro bono. (Disclosure: Khazaeli is also a personal friend.) “But I think Ferguson really showed just how much that can be a problem.” A recent St. Louis Post-Dispatch survey of the 31 St. Louis County municipalities where blacks made up 10 percent or more of the population found just one town where black representation on the police force was equal or greater than the black presence in the town itself. Some towns where shockingly disparate. In Velda City, for example, blacks make up 95 percent of the town, but just 20 percent of the police. In Flordell Hills, it’s 91 percent and 25 percent respectively. In Normandy, 71 and 14. In Bellefontaine Neighbors, 73 and 3. In Riverview, 70 and 0. Residents of these towns feel as if their governments see them as little more than sources of revenue. To many residents, the cops and court officers are just outsiders who are paid to come to their towns and make their lives miserable. There’s also a widely held sentiment that the police spend far more time looking for petty offenses that produce fines than they do keeping these communities safe.
If you were tasked with designing a regional system of government guaranteed to produce racial conflict, anger, and resentment, you’d be hard pressed to do better than St. Louis County.
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Florissant is one of the larger towns in the county, with a population of about 52,000. It’s also a bit more affluent, which an average household income above the state average, although its employment rate is slightly lower. Last year the town issued 29,072 tickets for traffic offenses. Florissant collected about $3 million in fines and court costs in fiscal year 2013, about 13 percent of its 2013 revenue. As of June of last year, Florissant’s municipal court also held more than 11,000 outstanding arrest warrants.
For comparison, consider Lee’s Summit, a suburb of Kansas City in Jackson County with a population of 92,000. Yet despite being nearly twice Florissant’s size, in 2013 Lee’s Summit issued a third as many traffic tickets (9,651), and collected less than half as much revenue from its municipal court ($1.44 million) as Florissant. As of June of last year, Lee’s Summit held 2,872 outstanding arrest warrants, only one fourth as many as Florissant.
There are many towns in St. Louis County where the number of outstanding arrest warrants can exceed the number of residents, sometimes several times over. No town in Jackson County comes close to that: The highest ratios are in the towns of Grandview (about one warrant for every 3.7 residents), Independence (one warrant for every 3.5 residents), and Kansas City itself (one warrant for every 1.8 residents).
Just inside the courthouse/gymnasium door in Florissant, two police officers and a court clerk check people in. In the middle of the gym, about 200 chairs sit neatly aligned in rows. Court has been in session for over an hour now, but most of the seats are still occupied. About 80 percent of the people in the gym tonight are black, even though blacks make up just 27 percent of the town. According to statistics compiled by Missouri’s attorney general’s office, 71 percent of the people pulled over by Florissant police in 2013 were black. The search and arrest rates for blacks were also twice as high as those rates for whites, even though whites were more likely to be found with contraband, a contradiction that has also been widely reported in Ferguson.
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, blacks make up less than eight percent of the Florissant police force. The judge and both prosecutors are white. In nearly all the towns in St. Louis County, the prosecutors and judges in these courts are part-time positions, and are not elected, but appointed by the mayor, town council, or city manager. According to a recent white paper published by the ArchCity Defenders, the chief prosecutor in Florissant Municipal Court makes $56,060 per year. It’s a position that requires him to work 12 court sessions per year, at about three hours per session. The Florissant prosecutor is Ronald Brockmeyer, who also has a criminal defense practice in St. Charles County, and who is also the chief municipal prosecutor for the towns of Vinita Park and Dellwood. He is also the judge – yes, the judge — in both Ferguson and Breckenridge Hills. Brockmeyer isn’t alone: Several other attorneys serve as prosecutor in one town and judge in another. And at least one St. Louis County assistant district attorney is also a municipal court judge.
One of those pending warrants was for “Jack” (he asked that I not use his real name), a black man who looked to be in his 60s whom I met briefly at the Cool Valley courthouse. I noticed Jack as he was chatting through a teller’s window with the court clerk. He was getting increasingly frustrated. I followed him outside and asked why he had been in court. He said he had recently been stopped by a police officer. He hadn’t been issued a citation for the stop, but a search of his name apparently showed a warrant stemming from a 20-year-old speeding ticket. With late fees and added fines, prosecutors said he now owed $615.
But he said he was angry because no one could show him the original ticket. They could only point to the warrant. He believes it was a mistake, and wondered why the warrant wouldn’t have shown up the other times he’s been stopped over the last 20 years. But the court officers had no time to argue with him. They handed him a piece of paper showing what he owes, with instructions for his payment plan. He is to come back to court each month and pay $50 until the full amount is paid off. If he misses a month, they’ll put out another warrant for his arrest.
I showed the form the clerk gave Jack to several local attorneys. Most agreed that a good lawyer could probably get the warrant cleared and the fine dismissed. It’s doubtful, for example, that the officer who issued the ticket is still around, and if he is, that he’d remember the ticket. But Jack (he asked that I not use his real name) didn’t know any of that. One attorney attempted to look up the Jack’s record to find the warrant, but not all the municipalities use the designated legal databases. Cool Valley is apparently one of those that doesn’t.
“I’ve asked prosecutors for a client’s file and they’ve flat turned me down,” said one local attorney. “They’ll say ‘Here’s a list of his warrants, but we can’t show them to you. Just trust us.’ Or they’ll just staple a blank form to a manilla envelope, write my client’s name on it, and call that his ‘file.’ They’re giving me the runaround, and I’m an attorney. So you can imagine what happens when people try to work within the system by themselves.”
It's not just a single department, it's the whole fucking country.Fixed.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/urbanshield-oakland-police-militarization
"Homeland Security made a DNA machine to see if ppl have real US relatives when they apply for visas. 90 min results."
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Among the claims that ignited the fury over the fatal shooting of Michael Brown were that Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson chased the unarmed teen on foot, shot at him as he ran away, then fired a barrage of fatal shots after Brown had turned around with his hands up.-http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
Almost all of the witnesses who shared these accounts with media either knew Brown; lived at or near the Canfield Green apartments, where the shooting occurred; or were visiting friends or relatives there.
But there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.
Both have given their statements to the St. Louis County police and the FBI. One of the men agreed to share his account with a Post-Dispatch reporter on the condition that his name and employer not be used.
The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.
His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.
@MichaelSkolnik-https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/508277636208943105
I've been told by confirmed source that two construction workers who witnessed #MikeBrown shooting and said he had his hands up are White.
The St. Louis County prosecutor’s office is taking an unusual approach with grand jury members who are weighing evidence against the police officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown last month, experts and county officials said.
Instead of telling grand jury members what charges they believe police officer Darren Wilson should face, they are leaving it open-ended for now and involving the grand jury as co-investigators.
The prosecutor’s office is also presenting evidence to the grand jury as soon as it receives it, rather than waiting until the St. Louis County Police Department and the FBI have completed their investigations. Police probes are typically completed before a case is presented to a grand jury, county officials said.
As a result, jurors in the Wilson case are hearing from every eyewitness, seeing every telling photo, viewing every relevant video, and reviewing all DNA, ballistics and other test results from county and FBI labs, said Ed Magee, a spokesman for county prosecutor Robert McCulloch. They will hear testimony from Dorian Johnson, the friend who was with Brown when he died, but it is unclear yet whether they will hear testimony from Wilson.
“Normally they hear from a detective or a main witness or two. That’s it,” Magee said. “This gives us an opportunity to present all of the evidence to jurors who represent St. Louis County. They will make the decision.”
Susan W. McGraugh, a criminal-defense lawyer and a professor at the Saint Louis University School of Law, said that the approach is allowed under the law and that prosecutors sometimes use it in high-profile cases.
“The prosecutor may want cover, which they can get by sharing the responsibility with the grand jury,” McGraugh said. “So when the public reacts to what does or does not happen, they can go back to the fact that the grand jury played a large role in the decision. They can say, ‘We let these jurors, who are your peers, hear what witnesses had to say. This was their decision.’ ”
Surprise surprise, it's looking more and more like the "he charged them" claim is indeed total bullshit.But according to my expertise, construction workers lie all the time.QuoteAmong the claims that ignited the fury over the fatal shooting of Michael Brown were that Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson chased the unarmed teen on foot, shot at him as he ran away, then fired a barrage of fatal shots after Brown had turned around with his hands up.-http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
Almost all of the witnesses who shared these accounts with media either knew Brown; lived at or near the Canfield Green apartments, where the shooting occurred; or were visiting friends or relatives there.
But there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.
Both have given their statements to the St. Louis County police and the FBI. One of the men agreed to share his account with a Post-Dispatch reporter on the condition that his name and employer not be used.
The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.
His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.Quote@MichaelSkolnik-https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/508277636208943105
I've been told by confirmed source that two construction workers who witnessed #MikeBrown shooting and said he had his hands up are White.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/07/watch-nypd-officers-take-turns-beating-bronx-man-after-search-turns-up-nothing/
I don't know JD, maybe we should just wait for more facts to come in
Good idea! Since so many of the witnesses have directly contradicted each other it would be smart to wait for it all to be sussed out.
I'm glad you grew a brain, finally. It had to happen eventually.
Columbine High School had a full-time, armed security guard. Didn't help much.But did he have a tank?
The U.S. Department of Defense has given Northwestern State University and the University of Louisiana-Monroe police departments 12 M-16 weapons each, according to The Chronicle of Higher Education.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/san-diego-school-police-mrap-armored-carrier
MRAP for San Diego school cops
school cops.
welp the MO legislators just overrode a veto to get a gun bill passed that includes a bit about allowing one teacher per school to be designated security who can legally concealed carry. can't see anything going wrong with this!
What a silly half measure. The answer is obviously to let everyone carry any and all guns they want. Any caliber, any model, any make. It's the only way we can be safe.
Honestly I think kids are the problem. We should just do away with them. No one would need to worries about 'thugs' anymore. Obviously we can't get rid of them all, otherwise who will inherit all the capital and means of production, so I think grade 3ers and up with 4.0s should be allowed to live. 4.0s should be easy to achieve with private tutors. The police force can then expend their energies into hunting down people who get 3.9s and want to live. Also all those lazy non-working mexicans can take their part time fast food jobs to boot. Who wants to make me president?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/san-diego-school-police-mrap-armored-carrier
MRAP for San Diego school cops
school cops.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-threatens-suicide-police-respond-swat-sniper-mrap/
Boogie what are you thoughts on police militarization?
welp the MO legislators just overrode a veto to get a gun bill passed that includes a bit about allowing one teacher per school to be designated security who can legally concealed carry. can't see anything going wrong with this!
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-threatens-suicide-police-respond-swat-sniper-mrap/
See, now this is the biased shit on the other side of the spectrum that I don't like.
Mentally disturbed man with a lethal weapon, and was enough of a threat that the other residents of the home fled as he barricaded himself inside the house and a SWAT team was called. (as SWAT teams should be called in for barricaded armed subjects).
The details on how it ended are not included, but the author concedes that the man agreed to come out of the house and the situation ended peacefully. And yet, the author criticizes the police for not "de-escalating the situation using mental health professionals"????
Umm, properly-equipped and trained SWAT teams include trained negotiators. They were apparently able to talk the guy into coming out peacefully without harming himself. In my opinion, that's more of an example of a successful deployment of a SWAT team, not the reverse.Boogie what are you thoughts on police militarization?
As much as this thread is starting to turn more into "catch all police controversy" thread, rather than just about the events of Ferguson, to respond to that prompt would require allowing out my Loki-esque long-winded self, whom I have tried to suppress over the past few years. I'm not sure that that it would be appropriate for me to get on a soapbox and drone on about my profession in a thread that (regardless the ultimate fate of Officer Wilson) has been based on a lot of bad police behaviour. I think it would be a bit "tone-deaf" of me.
Case in point: Right before the last presidential election, in 2012 Dr. Misee Harris was invited to a dinner with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, as part of her involvement on an Obama campaign team. At that time, her employer advised her not to go because, “We’re all Republicans here,” and that “President Obama was the one responsible for the financial ruin of his office.” I was expressly told at the time, “People who wanted to work for him should not be siding with Obama.”:heh
https://storify.com/laurahib/shaun-king
We all read this?
LAPD Confuses Black Actress Kissing White Husband for Prostitute
http://mic.com/articles/98826/lapd-confuses-black-actress-kissing-white-husband-for-prostitute
Under pressure from the Justice Department, police officials in and around Ferguson, Mo., have agreed to prohibit their forces from wearing wristbands in support of the officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.:gurl
The Justice Department also directed Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson to order his officers to follow policy and wear nameplates on their uniforms after federal investigators and residents spotted some with the identifiers removed or covered up.
at this point its not out of touch; its active trollingHanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
More than 3,000 people have registered to vote in Ferguson, Mo., since the death of Michael Brown — a surge in interest that may mean the city of 21,000 people is ready for a change.
Since a white police officer shot the unarmed black 18-year-old on Aug. 9, voter registration booths and cards have popped up alongside protests in the city and surrounding neighborhoods. The result: 4,839 people in St. Louis County have registered to vote since the shooting; 3,287 of them live in Ferguson.
The city's population is two-thirds African American; five of its six city council members are white, as is its mayor. The St. Louis County Election Board does not record the races of eligible voters, but many believe the increase is a sign that Brown's death has spurred renewed interest in politics and might mean more blacks will vote in the upcoming election.
French should run for mayor. Seems like it would be slam dunk.
Typical Democratic fraud just like I said.
French should run for mayor. Seems like it would be slam dunk.
ferguson or st louis
the basic problems aren't gonna go away unless a wave of change hits the whole area.Here it comes:
Why would someone run from police unless they did something wrong? Police are there to help, not hurt.
Bruntrager said without video of the incident or unbiased witnesses, the police and the public must rely on physical evidence. A 9mm pistol allegedly fired by Myers was found at the scene, police said.
WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.
The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.
The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.
He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.
The victim was rushed to a hospital but died.
I wish I could be optimistic, but I'm not.
I don't know who Positive Touch is but I'll pray for him tonight.
His screenname is Big Jumbo now, he got a username change.
I think you're being reckless by going there, Positive Touch. Real talk.
Some people walk the walk while talking little, and that's Positive Touch. He's out there when it's on the line practicing what he believes in. If everyone was scared of doing what he's doing, then we wouldn't have what we have today. I wish I was brave enough to do the same.
Dude gets nothing but all my respect and support, and my love as a friend.
I don't know who Positive Touch is but I'll pray for him tonight.
A source close to Darren Wilson told CNN's Don Lemon that the officer's representatives -- through a process of deduction -- have determined that he will not be indicted. At this point, if there was going to be an indictment, Wilson would have been asked to surrender, the source said late Monday.
It's like you knew it was going to happen but it still breaks your heart.
6-7 shots. Not enough to indict. I just...
Michael Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden. screamed, "What do you mean no indictment?!" reports @yamiche.
lmao
we need to learn and grow from this and it gives us the opportunity to
but what do we need to learn?
not to be in the situation in the first place. Or rather, don't be black and in a street.
It's really crazy that these are are considered not suspicious enough circumstances to even get an indictment. Like, I'd understand (and even expect) shady deals going on to protect Wilson once he's already on trial, but to not even get to that point? Christ.
How was there not probable cause when he essentially proved the point that probable cause surrounded the case...
How was there not probable cause when he essentially proved the point that probable cause surrounded the case...
It's really crazy that these are are considered not suspicious enough circumstances to even get an indictment. Like, I'd understand (and even expect) shady deals going on to protect Wilson once he's already on trial, but to not even get to that point? Christ.
Well some people said one thing and some people said another thing, so let's just agree to disagree.
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
Give examples of snide remarks.
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
Give examples of snide remarks.
Ghetto this, ghetto that, looting this, looting that. Nobody actually gives a fuck this, it's all the media. Shut up, you don't know anything.
Not a shred of sympathy for the executed, unarmed kid. Not even a mention.
So where do us black people go from here? If this doesn't even go to trial, this just tells me no one will defend us except ourselves.
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
Give examples of snide remarks.
Ghetto this, ghetto that, looting this, looting that. Nobody actually gives a fuck this, it's all the media. Shut up, you don't know anything.
Not a shred of sympathy for the executed, unarmed kid. Not even a mention.
Holy shit. The live feed on msnbc and Obama's speech at the same time .
Hearing Obama talk about "there's no cause for violence" when there's an image of police throwing gas and shit is amazing and scary
So where do us black people go from here? If this doesn't even go to trial, this just tells me no one will defend us except ourselves.
So where do us black people go from here? If this doesn't even go to trial, this just tells me no one will defend us except ourselves.
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
Give examples of snide remarks.
Ghetto this, ghetto that, looting this, looting that. Nobody actually gives a fuck this, it's all the media. Shut up, you don't know anything.
Not a shred of sympathy for the executed, unarmed kid. Not even a mention.
Yup, same here. Same bullshit. #Missouri
Anybody tomorrow that says he was deemed "not guilty" "proved he didn't do anything wrong" etc. is going to get a swift lashing from me. You can't be proven guilty or not guilty if you never go to fucking trial. There is going to be so much smugness tomorrow. I fucking hate white people.
And this fucking prosecuting attorney.... What in the fuck. Who let him speak? From the beginning, with the Ferguson Chief of Police, STL County Chief of Police, Nixon, this guy... There have been so many bad PR moves, some of which have directly attributed to the riots and looting.
https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/537075326070042625
The snide remarks were off the chart at work the past couple of weeks. Tomorrow is going to be unbearable.
Give examples of snide remarks.
Ghetto this, ghetto that, looting this, looting that. Nobody actually gives a fuck this, it's all the media. Shut up, you don't know anything.
Not a shred of sympathy for the executed, unarmed kid. Not even a mention.
Yup, same here. Same bullshit. #Missouri
Anybody tomorrow that says he was deemed "not guilty" "proved he didn't do anything wrong" etc. is going to get a swift lashing from me. You can't be proven guilty or not guilty if you never go to fucking trial. There is going to be so much smugness tomorrow. I fucking hate white people.
And this fucking prosecuting attorney.... What in the fuck. Who let him speak? From the beginning, with the Ferguson Chief of Police, STL County Chief of Police, Nixon, this guy... There have been so many bad PR moves, some of which have directly attributed to the riots and looting.
It looked like he was smiling throughout the press conference.
So where do us black people go from here? If this doesn't even go to trial, this just tells me no one will defend us except ourselves.
Civil suit filed by the Brown family, probably. Justice dept could probably investigate, too (federal agency could charge him for violating Mike Brown's civil rights, but that is rare and the justice dept is still looking into the Trayvon Martin case two years later). You have to be licensed to be a police officer, too, so he could get that taken away.
https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/537075326070042625
You guys have a stream for Obama's speech?
Also, enslave people for 250 years, systematically oppress them for another 150 and successfully paint them as the villain brehs(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ehh.png)
Calling the police would be like calling for your executionerSo where do us black people go from here? If this doesn't even go to trial, this just tells me no one will defend us except ourselves.
Civil suit filed by the Brown family, probably. Justice dept could probably investigate, too (federal agency could charge him for violating Mike Brown's civil rights, but that is rare and the justice dept is still looking into the Trayvon Martin case two years later). You have to be licensed to be a police officer, too, so he could get that taken away.
Not talking about that but the racial landscape period. Why should I call the police when something happens?
You guys have a stream for Obama's speech?
Also, enslave people for 250 years, systematically oppress them for another 150 and successfully paint them as the villain brehs(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ehh.png)
Again, I can't believe I'm seeing a reporter reporting on the news and they have to put on a gas mask because they've been gassed...by the police....in America.
Come on America, this isn't what my parents believed in when we moved here.
I'm feeling pretty good I didn't vote for Obama in 2012. :obamaCause Mitt Romney would've handled this so much better.
I'm feeling pretty good I didn't vote for Obama in 2012. :obamaCause Mitt Romney would've handled this so much better.
:comeon
I'm feeling pretty good I didn't vote for Obama in 2012. :obamaCause Mitt Romney would've handled this so much better.
:comeon
Didn't say he would have. I voted Green.
What did Obama say that was so bad?
CBS News @CBSNews 6 minutes ago
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QfxKdIcAEBQi6.jpg)
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/537089185258414080
I'm not sad. I'm terrified.Trust me, I think we're all terrified
Texting a buddy of mine in STL and he's basically trying to tow some kinda line with his (white) wife with me via text (he's hispanic) and it's kinda making me sick. If anyone would feel me you know? Whatever, I should go to bed.
Texting a buddy of mine in STL and he's basically trying to tow some kinda line with his (white) wife with me via text (he's hispanic) and it's kinda making me sick. If anyone would feel me you know? Whatever, I should go to bed.
what's he saying
I'm not sad. I'm terrified.Trust me, I think we're all terrified
EDIT: Full body shot of the banged up Wilson
I'm not sad. I'm terrified.Trust me, I think we're all terrified
EDIT: Full body shot of the banged up Wilson
I thought he had a severe orbital fracture or some shit?
If he did, they would've shown the orbital fracture front and centre.
That was confirmed to be fake a while back. Wilson still claimed Brown punched him in the face ~10 times, tho.
And what's his wife saying?
That was confirmed to be fake a while back. Wilson still claimed Brown punched him in the face ~10 times, tho.let's wait until Michael Brown's connect percentage comes out before coming to a conclusion
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QnVgaCcAEAqAt.png:large)
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/537097506564636672/photo/1
I just can't with these "MLK would be ashamed" people parading around right now. You know, in the long run, maybe MLK was bad for race relations. The shadow of his (limited) successes have been something for racists and apologists and appeasers to hide behind for nearly half a century already. Like nobody fought back. Like we didn't have to organize community defense forces to keep people from dragging black bodies behind cars. Like we're not sitting here waiting for (the white interpretation of) his dream to materialize to this Goddamn day.
Bassem's livefeed of Ferguson situation is down as police marched on his group. likely hit directly with #teargasGot his phone snatched:
Never mind that the very people citing MLK would be calling him a race peddling agitator 50 years ago. Especially those Memphis marches...
Basically the health report, despite saying that his pain ranges from 6-8/10 (and for the record, my dad, when he had his heart attack a few years ago stated that his pain was around 6-10 for some questions when asked), the report shows that most of the injuries are unremarkable.
I will say this, though -- I was at a bar watching the Cavs game (Lebron looked great btw, go cavs) and most everyone in the kitchen and behind the bar has stopped working and was watching the press conference. Most patrons were standing in front of the TV as well. When everyone found out they weren't going to indict, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, groaned, with many people yelling "fuck you! and "bullshit."
This was an 90 percent white crowd. So while this is indeed such bullshit, I will say that it makes me feel better that most logical people find this to be unfair and reeking of injustice.
Did I read that gun report right? He shot 12 times?
let this country burn. god knows too many have stood by, too many have actively participated in destroying black lives.
this is day 1 in next phase
https://twitter.com/basedlightskin/status/537115395698593792
Would I be this snarky if you guys hadn't been raging assholes at anyone not towing the line of histrionic responses presuming this was some blatant execution of an innocent kid?
Nope.
Am I gonna be snarky as fuck now that you guys have all that egg on your face?
Oh, hell yes.
We remember that JayDubya has a thorough understanding of this law and lawyer experience of courseIf you attack me at all, I can shoot you
This seems like a pretty thorough summary of all self defense law/thought on the subject
We remember that JayDubya has a thorough understanding of this law and lawyer experience of courseIf you attack me at all, I can shoot you
This seems like a pretty thorough summary of all self defense law/thought on the subject
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statuteSearch/StatHtml/5630000046.htmQuoteLaw enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.
563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
But of course, unarmed Mike Brown had clearly shown Wilson that he was committed to an assault, charging through gunfire 153 feet away like in Man of Steel (http://i.imgur.com/NsARqvd.png)
Oh wait, no, too busy burning down Little Caesars, lol.
You know I love you man, but 153 feet.I'm dealing with the status of my future life and what it means to black in america. I deserve to crack an Evangelion joke on a sociopath amid the whiteness I have been exposed to tonight. Fuck it. :yeshrug
Again, while logic may be anathema to you, it is not evidence of sociopathy.
(http://i.imgur.com/nEgQ16T.jpg)
:brazilcry
I know! Why aren't these god damn people who were kept as property for 200 years and systematically oppressed ever since just chillin' and taking the systems word that it's not completely rigged against them?Didn't know they lived for 200+ years, sounds privileged to me
Yeah, you're right. I fucked up.Shit might be getting real
http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2FHbME&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141013140253
just a bunch of white people in front of a coffee shop, nothings going to happen here :neogaf
Literally NOTHING.I'm not sad. I'm terrified.Trust me, I think we're all terrified
EDIT: Full body shot of the banged up Wilson
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3Qi7aIIcAAwvf7.jpg)
Shit might be getting real
http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2FHbME&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141013140253
just a bunch of white people in front of a coffee shop, nothings going to happen here :neogaf
what happened?Shit might be getting real
http://www.ustream.tv/z?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=ustre.am%2FHbME&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20141013140253
just a bunch of white people in front of a coffee shop, nothings going to happen here :neogaf
welp turns out it got very real. fuckin cops
Not when it doesn't fit the "contrarianism is true intelligence" ideal.
Not when it doesn't fit the "contrarianism is true intelligence" ideal.
Eznark does it better. JayDubya's an inferior imitation.
Not when it doesn't fit the "contrarianism is true intelligence" ideal.
Eznark does it better. JayDubya's an inferior imitation.
You banned yourself, now go away.
You shut up, this is clearly important.
Yes, parading around what you consider as an online "victory" is very important.
To be fair, you guys were raging assholes. See thread.
I have a question. Why are you even in this thread? Who goes somewhere nobody wants them? Weird.
Originally? Because Something Was Wrong On The Internet. To appeal to reason and calm and waiting for evidence. After seeing the responses, then and in the wake of last night, I was clearly appealing to those devoid of reason.
At this point? Pouring salt.
I could have edited, but I enjoy the meltdown you're having with the minimal effort I put in none the less.
What meltdown? I'm sitting here with a big ol' smirk on my face.
The entire reason shit got done in the 60's was because white people were scared. Make those whites piss their pants. The liberals too.
Buy guns en mass and form militias. Use our constitutional rights. Amendments 1 and 2 will allow this. When blacks started buying guns in record numbers in the 60's gun limit laws were passed.
Anon: strap up. Have guns? Strap up more. Make those white people scared as fuck. Tell your family at thanksgiving.
Facebook pretty much turned toxic, suddenly everyone has an opinion
Buy guns en mass and form militias. Use our constitutional rights. Amendments 1 and 2 will allow this. When blacks started buying guns in record numbers in the 60's gun limit laws were passed.
I see where you're going, I really do. However I think we need to become more involved locally in every day matters like they did in the 60's more than we need to call in the Panthers man. Make every time we are slighted be known by the many.
Just my .02 cents
Buy guns en mass and form militias. Use our constitutional rights. Amendments 1 and 2 will allow this. When blacks started buying guns in record numbers in the 60's gun limit laws were passed.
I see where you're going, I really do. However I think we need to become more involved locally in every day matters like they did in the 60's more than we need to call in the Panthers man. Make every time we are slighted be known by the many.
Just my .02 cents
Defense first. We should be able to have people defending our communities without resorting to callings the cops. The NoI did and still does this to this day. What started this in the first place was some white ass cop going into a neighborhood and telling black people to stop walking in the street or get arrested. If we have self sustaining defense, that shit won't fly.
Defense first. If we have no defense, what's the point in organizing?
Trust in representatives of a system that views you as the enemy brehs.Facebook pretty much turned toxic, suddenly everyone has an opinion
I made a post along those lines this morning (I never post on facebook)
It said "There are a lot of people casting aspersions on both sides about a small town in the middle of the country who can't name their congressmen currently. Priorities matter, people.
Anon: strap up. Have guns? Strap up more. Make those white people scared as fuck. Tell your family at thanksgiving.
I do have firearms. Most of my family does. That came from grandpa who always said "A gun isn't a weapon, it's a tool and has a specific use"
Scared people react man. Are you prepared to lose members of your family/love life/friends to the cause? Because that's step #1.....you must be prepared to lose all that is sacred to you before you walk out the door.
Trust in representatives of a system that views you as the enemy brehs.Facebook pretty much turned toxic, suddenly everyone has an opinion
I made a post along those lines this morning (I never post on facebook)
It said "There are a lot of people casting aspersions on both sides about a small town in the middle of the country who can't name their congressmen currently. Priorities matter, people.
I am only going to talk about this once.
As a black man I am being asked to place my faith in a justice system that has never placed their faith is my people. The number of blacks in prison is all the proof you need to back this statement up.
I don't know what happened that day, there is some rather convincing proof both men acted incorrectly. However, mistakes should not lead to being shot multiple times. In addition there is no way it should have took so long to give us the name of the officer involved...none...you committed the killing, you deserve to be known.
I will respect the verdict but I will not respect the process. It is my duty as an American to accept the fact this situation was handled, correctly or not. I do hope we challenge this verdict and will contribute to anyone who is starting a fund to LEGALLY challenge this verdict.
Now to the riots:
First off FUCK CNN, they are demonizing our people. If you don't see it you're blind. The Riots were MUCH SMALLER than anticipated. Pay attention to the shots from last night. They took 30 different angle shots on the same burning car and building area. Unacceptable. In addition Don Lemon is a fucking embarrassment to my race and my people. I have no use for this company who uses our struggle to improve ratings while demonizing us at the same time.
Secondly, why were the white people looting not questioned by CNN? I saw more than one of them grabbing products off store shelves. Interesting.
Third: My people must STOP using travesty for temporary self improvement. A man dying is no fucking reason to loot cigarettes and beer. Stop it.
Moving Foward:
I spoke with my children for 2 hours this morning about this day, making me late for work and them late for school. We are not there yet as a country and this incident just set us back 3 steps on both sides. We need to peacefully discuss these matters rather then pointing fingers and throwing punches. We've tried that the last 140 years, it doesn't work. Now is the time to study MLK and Gandhi not Malcolm X and the Klan. We must rise above the petty and focus on the solution. Educate not attack. We have to use this to build a new bridge and take the old rickety one down.
-Signed,
Your Neighborhood Black Conservative
A_I_A is right though; this is a good article
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/6003793/why-is-fergusons-local-government-so-white/in/5757650
I am only going to talk about this once.
As a black man I am being asked to place my faith in a justice system that has never placed their faith is my people. The number of blacks in prison is all the proof you need to back this statement up.
I don't know what happened that day, there is some rather convincing proof both men acted incorrectly. However, mistakes should not lead to being shot multiple times. In addition there is no way it should have took so long to give us the name of the officer involved...none...you committed the killing, you deserve to be known.
I will respect the verdict but I will not respect the process. It is my duty as an American to accept the fact this situation was handled, correctly or not. I do hope we challenge this verdict and will contribute to anyone who is starting a fund to LEGALLY challenge this verdict.
Now to the riots:
First off FUCK CNN, they are demonizing our people. If you don't see it you're blind. The Riots were MUCH SMALLER than anticipated. Pay attention to the shots from last night. They took 30 different angle shots on the same burning car and building area. Unacceptable. In addition Don Lemon is a fucking embarrassment to my race and my people. I have no use for this company who uses our struggle to improve ratings while demonizing us at the same time.
Secondly, why were the white people looting not questioned by CNN? I saw more than one of them grabbing products off store shelves. Interesting.
Third: My people must STOP using travesty for temporary self improvement. A man dying is no fucking reason to loot cigarettes and beer. Stop it.
Moving Foward:
I spoke with my children for 2 hours this morning about this day, making me late for work and them late for school. We are not there yet as a country and this incident just set us back 3 steps on both sides. We need to peacefully discuss these matters rather then pointing fingers and throwing punches. We've tried that the last 140 years, it doesn't work. Now is the time to study MLK and Gandhi not Malcolm X and the Klan. We must rise above the petty and focus on the solution. Educate not attack. We have to use this to build a new bridge and take the old rickety one down.
-Signed,
Your Neighborhood Black Conservative
There ya go, since you avoided reading what I said the first time.
I am only going to talk about this once.
As a black man I am being asked to place my faith in a justice system that has never placed their faith is my people. The number of blacks in prison is all the proof you need to back this statement up.
I don't know what happened that day, there is some rather convincing proof both men acted incorrectly. However, mistakes should not lead to being shot multiple times. In addition there is no way it should have took so long to give us the name of the officer involved...none...you committed the killing, you deserve to be known.
I will respect the verdict but I will not respect the process. It is my duty as an American to accept the fact this situation was handled, correctly or not. I do hope we challenge this verdict and will contribute to anyone who is starting a fund to LEGALLY challenge this verdict.
Now to the riots:
First off FUCK CNN, they are demonizing our people. If you don't see it you're blind. The Riots were MUCH SMALLER than anticipated. Pay attention to the shots from last night. They took 30 different angle shots on the same burning car and building area. Unacceptable. In addition Don Lemon is a fucking embarrassment to my race and my people. I have no use for this company who uses our struggle to improve ratings while demonizing us at the same time.
Secondly, why were the white people looting not questioned by CNN? I saw more than one of them grabbing products off store shelves. Interesting.
Third: My people must STOP using travesty for temporary self improvement. A man dying is no fucking reason to loot cigarettes and beer. Stop it.
Moving Foward:
I spoke with my children for 2 hours this morning about this day, making me late for work and them late for school. We are not there yet as a country and this incident just set us back 3 steps on both sides. We need to peacefully discuss these matters rather then pointing fingers and throwing punches. We've tried that the last 140 years, it doesn't work. Now is the time to study MLK and Gandhi not Malcolm X and the Klan. We must rise above the petty and focus on the solution. Educate not attack. We have to use this to build a new bridge and take the old rickety one down.
-Signed,
Your Neighborhood Black Conservative
There ya go, since you avoided reading what I said the first time.
It doesn't make your post any more distinguished mentally-challenged. So because some people can't name their congressman that means they can't talk about it? Fuck outta here.
Nah I read it.I am only going to talk about this once.
As a black man I am being asked to place my faith in a justice system that has never placed their faith is my people. The number of blacks in prison is all the proof you need to back this statement up.
I don't know what happened that day, there is some rather convincing proof both men acted incorrectly. However, mistakes should not lead to being shot multiple times. In addition there is no way it should have took so long to give us the name of the officer involved...none...you committed the killing, you deserve to be known.
I will respect the verdict but I will not respect the process. It is my duty as an American to accept the fact this situation was handled, correctly or not. I do hope we challenge this verdict and will contribute to anyone who is starting a fund to LEGALLY challenge this verdict.
Now to the riots:
First off FUCK CNN, they are demonizing our people. If you don't see it you're blind. The Riots were MUCH SMALLER than anticipated. Pay attention to the shots from last night. They took 30 different angle shots on the same burning car and building area. Unacceptable. In addition Don Lemon is a fucking embarrassment to my race and my people. I have no use for this company who uses our struggle to improve ratings while demonizing us at the same time.
Secondly, why were the white people looting not questioned by CNN? I saw more than one of them grabbing products off store shelves. Interesting.
Third: My people must STOP using travesty for temporary self improvement. A man dying is no fucking reason to loot cigarettes and beer. Stop it.
Moving Foward:
I spoke with my children for 2 hours this morning about this day, making me late for work and them late for school. We are not there yet as a country and this incident just set us back 3 steps on both sides. We need to peacefully discuss these matters rather then pointing fingers and throwing punches. We've tried that the last 140 years, it doesn't work. Now is the time to study MLK and Gandhi not Malcolm X and the Klan. We must rise above the petty and focus on the solution. Educate not attack. We have to use this to build a new bridge and take the old rickety one down.
-Signed,
Your Neighborhood Black Conservative
There ya go, since you avoided reading what I said the first time.
Nah I read it.I am only going to talk about this once.
As a black man I am being asked to place my faith in a justice system that has never placed their faith is my people. The number of blacks in prison is all the proof you need to back this statement up.
I don't know what happened that day, there is some rather convincing proof both men acted incorrectly. However, mistakes should not lead to being shot multiple times. In addition there is no way it should have took so long to give us the name of the officer involved...none...you committed the killing, you deserve to be known.
I will respect the verdict but I will not respect the process. It is my duty as an American to accept the fact this situation was handled, correctly or not. I do hope we challenge this verdict and will contribute to anyone who is starting a fund to LEGALLY challenge this verdict.
Now to the riots:
First off FUCK CNN, they are demonizing our people. If you don't see it you're blind. The Riots were MUCH SMALLER than anticipated. Pay attention to the shots from last night. They took 30 different angle shots on the same burning car and building area. Unacceptable. In addition Don Lemon is a fucking embarrassment to my race and my people. I have no use for this company who uses our struggle to improve ratings while demonizing us at the same time.
Secondly, why were the white people looting not questioned by CNN? I saw more than one of them grabbing products off store shelves. Interesting.
Third: My people must STOP using travesty for temporary self improvement. A man dying is no fucking reason to loot cigarettes and beer. Stop it.
Moving Foward:
I spoke with my children for 2 hours this morning about this day, making me late for work and them late for school. We are not there yet as a country and this incident just set us back 3 steps on both sides. We need to peacefully discuss these matters rather then pointing fingers and throwing punches. We've tried that the last 140 years, it doesn't work. Now is the time to study MLK and Gandhi not Malcolm X and the Klan. We must rise above the petty and focus on the solution. Educate not attack. We have to use this to build a new bridge and take the old rickety one down.
-Signed,
Your Neighborhood Black Conservative
There ya go, since you avoided reading what I said the first time.
I'm just not convinced that changing the electorate will fix this. The issue to me is that you have a police force that has gone from viewing citizens as people to protect to people who be protected against. Changing the representative does nothing to fix this. There needs to be a paradigm shift in how police engages the citizenry. Either way I meant no offense.
Did you just tell me that I don't know who Ted Poe is? The same dude I have tried to get out of office multiple times?
Even if he was a thug. Last night I saw the citizenry tear gassed and several armored vehicles that were more at home in Iraq than they were on the streets of Missouri. Further this does nothing to discuss the disproportionate focus on blacks by the police. 600 stops of whites compared to 4300+ stops of blacks? The racial focus disparity is what's here that and a feeling that the police have carte blanche against the citizenry. If you think this is just about Mike Brown you've not been paying attention friend.Nah I read it.
I'm just not convinced that changing the electorate will fix this. The issue to me is that you have a police force that has gone from viewing citizens as people to protect to people who be protected against. Changing the representative does nothing to fix this. There needs to be a paradigm shift in how police engages the citizenry. Either way I meant no offense.
This would not wring hollow if Mike Brown WASN'T one of the guys citizens needed to be protected against.
But he was, so it does.
With equivalent force to stop the threat. Not 'open season'.I don't know, contain and arrest him when he does?
Mike Brown is pretty contained.
Your bloviating tough guy shit is unimpressive. If you attack someone, they are allowed to defend themselves.
Even if he was a thug. Last night I saw the citizenry tear gassed and several armored vehicles that were more at home in Iraq than they were on the streets of Missouri. Further this does nothing to discuss the disproportionate focus on blacks by the police. 600 stops of whites compared to 4300+ stops of blacks? The racial focus disparity is what's here that and a feeling that the police have carte blanche against the citizenry. If you think this is just about Mike Brown you've not been paying attention friend.Nah I read it.
I'm just not convinced that changing the electorate will fix this. The issue to me is that you have a police force that has gone from viewing citizens as people to protect to people who be protected against. Changing the representative does nothing to fix this. There needs to be a paradigm shift in how police engages the citizenry. Either way I meant no offense.
This would not wring hollow if Mike Brown WASN'T one of the guys citizens needed to be protected against.
But he was, so it does.
Ok seriously I don't understand why they have to loot places, like the people owning them had anything to do with Brown. Pure cunt of a thing to do. Explain that shit
So the looters are just opportunists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroesfor reference, I'm dapping this post because of your imminent return, not it's content.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/25/don-lemon-cnn-ferguson-protests-video/
Somebody fire this asshole already, jesus.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/25/don-lemon-cnn-ferguson-protests-video/
Somebody fire this asshole already, jesus.
"Let's get stoned and fuck shit up!" said no one, ever.
Weed, video games, take out..... it sure sounds expensive being "out of work, lazy people".
Seriously, what happened to Ikhwan? Huh!? :tocry
Seriously, what happened to Ikhwan? Huh!? :tocry
I was busy burning down my personal life, sorry. :badass
http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b
(http://i.imgur.com/UZjSyCJ.gif)
http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/25/don-lemon-cnn-ferguson-protests-video/
Somebody fire this asshole already, jesus.
"Let's get stoned and fuck shit up!" said no one, ever.
No damn way these "weed smoking rioters" would have burned down the taco bell. No sir.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto
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I had no idea what a grand jury was prior to this - I vaguely assumed it was the same as a regular jury, but just, like, some extra-serious version that got brought out for super-serious cases. I don't really understand why we even have this grand jury bullshit???
Buy guns en mass and form militias. Use our constitutional rights. Amendments 1 and 2 will allow this. When blacks started buying guns in record numbers in the 60's gun limit laws were passed.
I see where you're going, I really do. However I think we need to become more involved locally in every day matters like they did in the 60's more than we need to call in the Panthers man. Make every time we are slighted be known by the many.
Just my .02 cents
Defense first. We should be able to have people defending our communities without resorting to callings the cops. The NoI did and still does this to this day. What started this in the first place was some white ass cop going into a neighborhood and telling black people to stop walking in the street or get arrested. If we have self sustaining defense, that shit won't fly.
Defense first. If we have no defense, what's the point in organizing?
I currently have nothing to say about events I have no information about.
random news stories?
Oh go and play some FFVIII
Self-flaggellation?
Draw-system. Chicken-wuss. Hotdogs. GF-Amnesia. Same orphanage. NooooooOOOOOoooooOOoooo.
We went. started at mcgregor park, ended up marching to U of H and then headed to TSU. It dispersed early and there wasn't that many people there considering houston area's black population but it was still nice to be part of something. Still disappointed in my city when compared to other cities like NYC. It's like no one cares here, even the black people. Most of the people who came to the protest were college students either from UH or TSU and when I talked to black people I grew up with who are supposedly pro black about protesting they're like "protest for what?" Oh my god I hate this vapid, selfish, wealth obsessed city. :snoop
Don't come back.I currently have nothing to say about events I have no information about.
:heh
Would you like me to ask your opinion about other random news stories? Is that a thing now? Is that the new thread topic?
Here, just pick a few you like, I have to head to work: https://news.google.com/
random news stories?
:neogaf
So, Dub, what about the black guy who was shot and killed carrying around a BB gun in a Wal-Mart? What about the 12 black kid who was shot and killed for carrying around a BB gun at a park? What about the black man who was shot for reaching back into his truck to get his wallet?
Ya got anything to say about those incidents or not?
I currently have nothing to say about events I have no information about.
Edit: Apparently you must be 18 to legally open carry in Ohio. Still...
“The officer had no clue he was a 12-year-old,” said Jeff Follmer, president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association. “He had no clue it was a toy gun, he was kind of shocked. He was concentrating more on the hands than on the age."
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/12-year-old_boy_shot_by_clevel.html
My God...
I'm from France. We always joke about Americans, it's common knowledge. But I never went as far as reading the comments... And I'm simply wordless.
Is it too obvious that somehow none of you can see it ? Is it American school that really is as bad as described overseas ? I don't know. But please, please do read, please educate yourself, please travel. Please, try too grow. Why is our entire world governed by that level of idiocy ? By a country who prides itself for being "the greatest democracy on earth" or the "free world" and cannot even see that by saying so, the entire world laughs at them ?
Being leaders of the planet should come with at least one duty : being educated. Please try at last to think (yes, with a brain) !
No it's not the parents, no it's no the kid, not it's not really even the police's fault. (Well, it is, but I think bothering to explain that killing a 12 year old, whatever the situation, is always a crime... is not even worth it. You all seem too deeply enrolled in America's way of thinking to even understand that simple human fact...)
But for once, do listen.
The problem is GUN.
NO ONE should be wearing guns in the streets.
And there would be far less killings, far less shootings, and definitely no children wanting to play with gun toys in the streets.
Just grow up.
We also are a democracy, we also have freedom (if not more) and we do not wear guns, and guess what ? We are, despite of that (or should I say, thanks to that ?), pretty safe here...
Corey Booker, age 22:
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He Tweeted this earlier today.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistic-ally believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season".
I'm gonna wait for Michael Ramirez to weigh in.:dead
Edit: Oh wait, he already has, of course. :lol
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The man who drew that MLK toon has two Pulitzers.
Two.
The man who drew that MLK toon has two Pulitzers.
Two.
Sources close to the investigation were uncertain whether the men had the capability to carry out the plans, although the two allegedly did buy what they thought was a pipe bomb in an undercover law enforcement sting.
The men wanted to acquire two more bombs, the sources said, but could not afford to do it until one suspect’s girlfriend’s Electronic Benefit Transfer card was replenished.
http://racistsgettingfired.tumblr.com/
The misuse of a Chris Rock bit rears it's ugly head again.
http://racistsgettingfired.tumblr.com/
Someone attacks a copmmmm reductionism on a thanksgiving morning
Gets shot
BLACK eyewitnesses confirm it
Get out and protest!
Ban Bunny.
Bunny has nothing to offer The Bore. Bunny is a racist troll who mostly only posts one liners. Unlike other racists and morons here, Bunny isn't even that funny or funny to laugh at. He's just a moron whose value is lower than a speck of dirt.
Ban Bunny.
Bunny has nothing to offer The Bore. Bunny is a racist troll who mostly only posts one liners. Unlike other racists and morons here, Bunny isn't even that funny or funny to laugh at. He's just a moron whose value is lower than a speck of dirt.
Don't be such a baby
All you do is ad hominem shit and never even argue my points. If I deserve to be banned, that's up to the mods, don't be the clown crying "MODS HELP".People are willing to talk with JayDubya, but not with you. How come? Could it possibly be because you are an irritating asshole? You shit in your hand, show it to people and ask whether the smell bothers them. What kind of reaction do you expect? "Wrestle with a pig..." and so on. Go back to 4chan or whatever subreddit pseudo-trolls like you coalesce into.
All you do is ad hominem shit and never even argue my points. If I deserve to be banned, that's up to the mods, don't be the clown crying "MODS HELP".
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sorry rumbler, but jaydub has always done a thorough and completely logical read-through of all testimony and determined that there was no conflicting information and this no need for a trial.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
From the Birmingham jail, where he was imprisoned as a participant in nonviolent demonstrations against segregation, Dr.
Martin Luther King, Jr., wrote in longhand the letter which follows. It was his response to a public statement of concern and
caution issued by eight white religious leaders of the South. Dr. King, who was born in 1929, did his undergraduate work at
Morehouse College; attended the integrated Crozer Theological Seminary in Chester, Pennsylvania, one of six black pupils
among a hundred students, and the president of his class; and won a fellowship to Boston University for his Ph.D.
WHILE confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling our present activities "unwise
and untimely." Seldom, if ever, do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all of the criticisms
that cross my desk, my secretaries would be engaged in little else in the course of the day, and I would have no time for
constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I would like
to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.
I think I should give the reason for my being in Birmingham, since you have been influenced by the argument of "outsiders
coming in." I have the honor of serving as president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, an organization operating
in every Southern state, with headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. We have some eighty-five affiliate organizations all across the
South, one being the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights. Whenever necessary and possible, we share staff,
educational and financial resources with our affiliates. Several months ago our local affiliate here in Birmingham invited us to be
on call to engage in a nonviolent direct-action program if such were deemed necessary. We readily consented, and when the hour
came we lived up to our promises. So I am here, along with several members of my staff, because we were invited here. I am
here because I have basic organizational ties here.
Beyond this, I am in Birmingham because injustice is here. Just as the eighth-century prophets left their little villages and carried
their "thus saith the Lord" far beyond the boundaries of their hometowns; and just as the Apostle Paul left his little village of
Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to practically every hamlet and city of the Greco-Roman world, I too am compelled
to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my particular hometown. Like Paul, I must constantly respond to the Macedonian call for
aid.
Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be
concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an
inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly. Never
again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can
never be considered an outsider.
You deplore the demonstrations that are presently taking place in Birmingham. But I am sorry that your statement did not express
a similar concern for the conditions that brought the demonstrations into being. I am sure that each of you would want to go
beyond the superficial social analyst who looks merely at effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. I would not
hesitate to say that it is unfortunate that so-called demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham at this time, but I would say in
more emphatic terms that it is even more unfortunate that the white power structure of this city left the Negro community with no
other alternative.
IN ANY nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices are alive,
negotiation, self-purification, and direct action. We have gone through all of these steps in Birmingham. There can be no
gainsaying of the fact that racial injustice engulfs this community. Birmingham is probably the most thoroughly segregated city
in the United States. Its ugly record of police brutality is known in every section of this country. Its unjust treatment of Negroes
in the courts is a notorious reality. There have been more unsolved bombings of Negro homes and churches in Birmingham than
in any other city in this nation. These are the hard, brutal, and unbelievable facts. On the basis of them, Negro leaders sought to
negotiate with the city fathers. But the political leaders consistently refused to engage in good-faith negotiation.
Then came the opportunity last September to talk with some of the leaders of the economic community. In these negotiating
sessions certain promises were made by the merchants, such as the promise to remove the humiliating racial signs from the
stores. On the basis of these promises, Reverend Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human
Rights agreed to call a moratorium on any type of demonstration. As the weeks and months unfolded, we realized that we were
the victims of a broken promise. The signs remained. As in so many experiences of the past, we were confronted with blasted
hopes, and the dark shadow of a deep disappointment settled upon us. So we had no alternative except that of preparing for direct
action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and national
community. We were not unmindful of the difficulties involved. So we decided to go through a process of self-purification.
We started having workshops on nonviolence and repeatedly asked ourselves the questions, "Are you able to accept blows without
retaliating?" and "Are you able to endure the ordeals of jail?" We decided to set our direct-action program around the Easter
season, realizing that, with exception of Christmas, this was the largest shopping period of the year. Knowing that a strong
economic withdrawal program would be the by-product of direct action, we felt that this was the best time to bring pressure on
the merchants for the needed changes. Then it occurred to us that the March election was ahead, and so we speedily decided to
postpone action until after election day. When we discovered that Mr. Conner was in the runoff, we decided again to postpone
action so that the demonstration could not be used to cloud the issues. At this time we agreed to begin our nonviolent witness the
day after the runoff.
This reveals that we did not move irresponsibly into direct action. We, too, wanted to see Mr. Conner defeated, so we went
through postponement after postponement to aid in this community need. After this we felt that direct action could be delayed no
longer.
You may well ask, "Why direct action, why sit-ins, marches, and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are exactly right
in your call for negotiation. Indeed, this is the purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and
establish such creative tension that a community that has consistently refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks
so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. I just referred to the creation of tension as a part of the work of the
nonviolent resister. This may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have
earnestly worked and preached against violent tension, but there is a type of constructive nonviolent tension that is necessary for
growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage
of myths and half-truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, we must see the need of having
nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men to rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism
to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. So, the purpose of direct action is to create a situation so crisis-packed
that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. We therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our
beloved Southland been bogged down in the tragic attempt to live in monologue rather than dialogue.
One of the basic points in your statement is that our acts are untimely. Some have asked, "Why didn't you give the new
administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this inquiry is that the new administration must be prodded about
as much as the outgoing one before it acts. We will be sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Mr. Boutwell will bring the
millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is much more articulate and gentle than Mr. Conner, they are both
segregationists, dedicated to the task of maintaining the status quo. The hope I see in Mr. Boutwell is that he will be reasonable
enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from the devotees of
civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and
nonviolent pressure. History is the long and tragic story of the fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges
voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has
reminded us, groups are more immoral than individuals.
We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the
oppressed. Frankly, I have never yet engaged in a direct-action movement that was "well timed" according to the timetable of
those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "wait." It rings in the
ear of every Negro with a piercing familiarity. This "wait" has almost always meant "never." It has been a tranquilizing
thalidomide, relieving the emotional stress for a moment, only to give birth to an ill-formed infant of frustration. We must come
to see with the distinguished jurist of yesterday that "justice too long delayed is justice denied." We have waited for more than
three hundred and forty years for our God-given and constitutional rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike
speed toward the goal of political independence, and we still creep at horse-and-buggy pace toward the gaining of a cup of coffee
at a lunch counter. I guess it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say "wait." But when you
have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen
hate-filled policemen curse, kick, brutalize, and even kill your black brothers and sisters with impunity; when you see the vast
majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when
you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter why she
cannot go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her little eyes
when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see the depressing clouds of inferiority begin to form in her little
mental sky, and see her begin to distort her little personality by unconsciously developing a bitterness toward white people; when
you have to concoct an answer for a five-year-old son asking in agonizing pathos, "Daddy, why do white people treat colored
people so mean?"; when you take a cross-country drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable
corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs
reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "distinguished black fellow" and your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you
are) and your last name becomes "John," and when your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are
harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never knowing what to
expect next, and plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of
"nobodyness" -- then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs
over and men are no longer willing to be plunged into an abyss of injustice where they experience the bleakness of corroding
despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience.Letter From Birmingham Jail 3
YOU express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so
diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, it is rather
strange and paradoxical to find us consciously breaking laws. One may well ask, "How can you advocate breaking some laws and
obeying others?" The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I
would agree with St. Augustine that "An unjust law is no law at all."
Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made
code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To
put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that
uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because
segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a
false sense of inferiority. To use the words of Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher, segregation substitutes an "I - it"
relationship for the "I - thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. So segregation is not only
politically, economically, and sociologically unsound, but it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is
separation. Isn't segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, an expression of his awful estrangement, his
terrible sinfulness? So I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court because it is morally right, and I can urge
them to disobey segregation ordinances because they are morally wrong.
Let us turn to a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a majority inflicts on a minority that
is not binding on itself. This is difference made legal. On the other hand, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to
follow, and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal.
Let me give another explanation. An unjust law is a code inflicted upon a minority which that minority had no part in enacting or
creating because it did not have the unhampered right to vote. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up the
segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout the state of Alabama all types of conniving methods are used to
prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties without a single Negro registered to vote, despite
the fact that the Negroes constitute a majority of the population. Can any law set up in such a state be considered democratically
structured?
These are just a few examples of unjust and just laws. There are some instances when a law is just on its face and unjust in its
application. For instance, I was arrested Friday on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong with an
ordinance which requires a permit for a parade, but when the ordinance is used to preserve segregation and to deny citizens the
First Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and peaceful protest, then it becomes unjust.
Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was seen sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach,
and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar because a higher moral law was involved. It was practiced superbly by the
early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks before submitting to certain
unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil
disobedience.
We can never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in
Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. But I am sure that if I had lived in Germany
during that time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers even though it was illegal. If I lived in a Communist
country today where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I believe I would openly advocate disobeying
these anti-religious laws.
I MUST make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the last few years
I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great
stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate
who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace
which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods
of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of
time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of
good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more
bewildering than outright rejection.
In your statement you asserted that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But
can this assertion be logically made? Isn't this like condemning the robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the
evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical
delvings precipitated the misguided popular mind to make him drink the hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because His
unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to His will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see,
as federal courts have consistently affirmed, that it is immoral to urge an individual to withdraw his efforts to gain his basic
constitutional rights because the quest precipitates violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber.Letter From Birmingham Jail 4
I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth of time. I received a letter this morning from a white brother in
Texas which said, "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but is it possible that you are
in too great of a religious hurry? It has taken Christianity almost 2000 years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ
take time to come to earth." All that is said here grows out of a tragic misconception of time. It is the strangely irrational notion
that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time is neutral. It can be used either
destructively or constructively. I am coming to feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than the
people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people but
for the appalling silence of the good people. We must come to see that human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability. It
comes through the tireless efforts and persistent work of men willing to be coworkers with God, and without this hard work time
itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation.
YOU spoke of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my
nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist. I started thinking about the fact that I stand in the middle of two opposing forces in
the Negro community. One is a force of complacency made up of Negroes who, as a result of long years of oppression, have been
so completely drained of self-respect and a sense of "somebodyness" that they have adjusted to segregation, and, on the other
hand, of a few Negroes in the middle class who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because at points
they profit by segregation, have unconsciously become insensitive to the problems of the masses. The other force is one of
bitterness and hatred and comes perilously close to advocating violence. It is expressed in the various black nationalist groups
that are springing up over the nation, the largest and best known being Elijah Muhammad's Muslim movement. This movement is
nourished by the contemporary frustration over the continued existence of racial discrimination. It is made up of people who have
lost faith in America, who have absolutely repudiated Christianity, and who have concluded that the white man is an incurable
devil. I have tried to stand between these two forces, saying that we need not follow the do-nothingism of the complacent or the
hatred and despair of the black nationalist. There is a more excellent way, of love and nonviolent protest. I'm grateful to God that,
through the Negro church, the dimension of nonviolence entered our struggle. If this philosophy had not emerged, I am
convinced that by now many streets of the South would be flowing with floods of blood. And I am further convinced that if our
white brothers dismiss as "rabble-rousers" and "outside agitators" those of us who are working through the channels of
nonviolent direct action and refuse to support our nonviolent efforts, millions of Negroes, out of frustration and despair, will seek
solace and security in black nationalist ideologies, a development that will lead inevitably to a frightening racial nightmare.
Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever. The urge for freedom will eventually come. This is what has happened to the
American Negro. Something within has reminded him of his birthright of freedom; something without has reminded him that he
can gain it. Consciously and unconsciously, he has been swept in by what the Germans call the Zeitgeist, and with his black
brothers of Africa and his brown and yellow brothers of Asia, South America, and the Caribbean, he is moving with a sense of
cosmic urgency toward the promised land of racial justice. Recognizing this vital urge that has engulfed the Negro community,
one should readily understand public demonstrations. The Negro has many pent-up resentments and latent frustrations. He has to
get them out. So let him march sometime; let him have his prayer pilgrimages to the city hall; understand why he must have sitins
and freedom rides. If his repressed emotions do not come out in these nonviolent ways, they will come out in ominous
expressions of violence. This is not a threat; it is a fact of history. So I have not said to my people, "Get rid of your discontent."
But I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled through the creative outlet of nonviolent direct
action. Now this approach is being dismissed as extremist. I must admit that I was initially disappointed in being so categorized.
But as I continued to think about the matter, I gradually gained a bit of satisfaction from being considered an extremist. Was not
Jesus an extremist in love? -- "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you." Was not
Amos an extremist for justice? -- "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Was not Paul an
extremist for the gospel of Jesus Christ? -- "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist?
-- "Here I stand; I can do no other so help me God." Was not John Bunyan an extremist? -- "I will stay in jail to the end of my
days before I make a mockery of my conscience." Was not Abraham Lincoln an extremist? -- "This nation cannot survive half
slave and half free." Was not Thomas Jefferson an extremist? -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal." So the question is not whether we will be extremist, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for
hate, or will we be extremists for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice, or will we be extremists for the
cause of justice?
I had hoped that the white moderate would see this. Maybe I was too optimistic. Maybe I expected too much. I guess I should
have realized that few members of a race that has oppressed another race can understand or appreciate the deep groans and
passionate yearnings of those that have been oppressed, and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by
strong, persistent, and determined action. I am thankful, however, that some of our white brothers have grasped the meaning of
this social revolution and committed themselves to it. They are still all too small in quantity, but they are big in quality. Some,
like Ralph McGill, Lillian Smith, Harry Golden, and James Dabbs, have written about our struggle in eloquent, prophetic, and
understanding terms. Others have marched with us down nameless streets of the South. They sat in with us at lunch counters and
rode in with us on the freedom rides. They have languished in filthy roach-infested jails, suffering the abuse and brutality of
angry policemen who see them as "dirty distinguished black fellow lovers." They, unlike many of their moderate brothers, have recognized the
urgency of the moment and sensed the need for powerful "action" antidotes to combat the disease of segregation.Letter From Birmingham Jail 5
LET me rush on to mention my other disappointment. I have been disappointed with the white church and its leadership. Of
course, there are some notable exceptions. I am not unmindful of the fact that each of you has taken some significant stands on
this issue. I commend you, Reverend Stallings, for your Christian stand this past Sunday in welcoming Negroes to your Baptist
Church worship service on a nonsegregated basis. I commend the Catholic leaders of this state for integrating Springhill College
several years ago.
But despite these notable exceptions, I must honestly reiterate that I have been disappointed with the church. I do not say that as
one of those negative critics who can always find something wrong with the church. I say it as a minister of the gospel who loves
the church, who was nurtured in its bosom, who has been sustained by its Spiritual blessings, and who will remain true to it as
long as the cord of life shall lengthen.
I had the strange feeling when I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery several years ago
that we would have the support of the white church. I felt that the white ministers, priests, and rabbis of the South would be some
of our strongest allies. Instead, some few have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and
misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the
anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows.
In spite of my shattered dreams of the past, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this
community would see the justice of our cause and with deep moral concern serve as the channel through which our just
grievances could get to the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed.
I have heard numerous religious leaders of the South call upon their worshipers to comply with a desegregation decision because
it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers say, follow this decree because integration is morally right and the Negro is
your brother. In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the Negro, I have watched white churches stand on the sidelines and
merely mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and
economic injustice, I have heard so many ministers say, "Those are social issues which the gospel has nothing to do with," and I
have watched so many churches commit themselves to a completely otherworldly religion which made a strange distinction
between bodies and souls, the sacred and the secular.
There was a time when the church was very powerful. It was during that period that the early Christians rejoiced when they were
deemed worthy to suffer for what they believed. In those days the church was not merely a thermometer that recorded the ideas
and principles of popular opinion; it was the thermostat that transformed the mores of society. Wherever the early Christians
entered a town the power structure got disturbed and immediately sought to convict them for being "disturbers of the peace" and
"outside agitators." But they went on with the conviction that they were "a colony of heaven" and had to obey God rather than
man. They were small in number but big in commitment. They were too God-intoxicated to be "astronomically intimidated."
They brought an end to such ancient evils as infanticide and gladiatorial contest.
Things are different now. The contemporary church is so often a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. It is so often
the arch supporter of the status quo. Far from being disturbed by the presence of the church, the power structure of the average
community is consoled by the church's often vocal sanction of things as they are.
But the judgment of God is upon the church as never before. If the church of today does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the
early church, it will lose its authentic ring, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no
meaning for the twentieth century. I meet young people every day whose disappointment with the church has risen to outright
disgust.
I hope the church as a whole will meet the challenge of this decisive hour. But even if the church does not come to the aid of
justice, I have no despair about the future. I have no fear about the outcome of our struggle in Birmingham, even if our motives
are presently misunderstood. We will reach the goal of freedom in Birmingham and all over the nation, because the goal of
America is freedom. Abused and scorned though we may be, our destiny is tied up with the destiny of America. Before the
Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, we were here. Before the pen of Jefferson scratched across the pages of history the majestic word of
the Declaration of Independence, we were here. For more than two centuries our foreparents labored here without wages; they
made cotton king; and they built the homes of their masters in the midst of brutal injustice and shameful humiliation -- and yet
out of a bottomless vitality our people continue to thrive and develop. If the inexpressible cruelties of slavery could not stop us,
the opposition we now face will surely fail. We will win our freedom because the sacred heritage of our nation and the eternal
will of God are embodied in our echoing demands.
I must close now. But before closing I am impelled to mention one other point in your statement that troubled me profoundly.
You warmly commended the Birmingham police force for keeping "order" and "preventing violence." I don't believe you would
have so warmly commended the police force if you had seen its angry violent dogs literally biting six unarmed, nonviolent
Negroes. I don't believe you would so quickly commend the policemen if you would observe their ugly and inhuman treatment of
Negroes here in the city jail; if you would watch them push and curse old Negro women and young Negro girls; if you would see
them slap and kick old Negro men and young boys, if you would observe them, as they did on two occasions, refusing to give us
food because we wanted to sing our grace together. I'm sorry that I can't join you in your praise for the police department.Letter From Birmingham Jail 6
It is true that they have been rather disciplined in their public handling of the demonstrators. In this sense they have been publicly
"nonviolent." But for what purpose? To preserve the evil system of segregation. Over the last few years I have consistently
preached that nonviolence demands that the means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek. So I have tried to make it clear
that it is wrong to use immoral means to attain moral ends. But now I must affirm that it is just as wrong, or even more, to use
moral means to preserve immoral ends.
I wish you had commended the Negro demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and
their amazing discipline in the midst of the most inhuman provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes. They
will be the James Merediths, courageously and with a majestic sense of purpose facing jeering and hostile mobs and the
agonizing loneliness that characterizes the life of the pioneer. They will be old, oppressed, battered Negro women, symbolized in
a seventy-two-year-old woman of Montgomery, Alabama, who rose up with a sense of dignity and with her people decided not to
ride the segregated buses, and responded to one who inquired about her tiredness with ungrammatical profundity, "My feets is
tired, but my soul is rested." They will be young high school and college students, young ministers of the gospel and a host of
their elders courageously and nonviolently sitting in at lunch counters and willingly going to jail for conscience's sake. One day
the South will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters they were in reality standing up for
the best in the American dream and the most sacred values in our Judeo-Christian heritage.
Never before have I written a letter this long -- or should I say a book? I'm afraid that it is much too long to take your precious
time. I can assure you that it would have been much shorter if I had been writing from a comfortable desk, but what else is there
to do when you are alone for days in the dull monotony of a narrow jail cell other than write long letters, think strange thoughts,
and pray long prayers?
If I have said anything in this letter that is an understatement of the truth and is indicative of an unreasonable impatience, I beg
you to forgive me. If I have said anything in this letter that is an overstatement of the truth and is indicative of my having a
patience that makes me patient with anything less than brotherhood, I beg God to forgive me.
Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood,
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
I actually referenced that Missouri statute earlier and.... certain people didn't respond.
Now I know.
Grand jury given old law ruled unconstitutional as instructions before hearing Wilson's testimonyJust came to post this. We're supposed to just sit back and accept the outcome of this shit, right?
1MlEhoCIFwc
But sure, no fuckery going on
The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward the goal of political independence, and we still creep at horse-and-buggy pace toward the gaining of a cup of coffee at a lunch counter.
Was Brown ever shot while running away? No.
man if only people knew how much bullshit these dumbass fake revolutionary white dudes bring to the protests. throwing rocks from the back of the crowd, burning down neighborhood buildings people actually like, bringing fucking Molotovs and shit - all bc they seriously think this is the start of a fucking communist our anarchist revolution. go back to your coffee shops, assholes.
there was a whole bunch of out-of-state ppl here today, and during some downtime I heard some commune recruitment. almost shot myself right there on the spot.
I can't believe Boston of all places had a big-ass protest in support. and now I see fucking UTAH is having one too. I mean, this is fucking crazy.Sheeeit, there are protests on Cape Cod for that matter. Kinda surreal seeing "Black Lives Matter" signs held at rallies where no black people are actually present.
A martyr (Greek: μάρτυς, mártys, "witness"; stem μάρτυρ-, mártyr-) is somebody who suffers persecution and death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or cause, usually a religious one. Most martyrs are considered holy or are respected by their followers, becoming a symbol of good leadership and heroism.???
Darren Wilson has resigned from the Ferguson, Mo., Police Department in wake of fatal shooting of Michael Brown, his attorney said today.
Wilson's resignation comes five days after a grand jury investigating the Aug. 9 shooting declined to indict the police officer. He has been on administrative leave since the shooting.
One of his attorneys, Neil Bruntrager, said the resignation is effective immediately.
The killing of Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, on a Saturday afternoon in the St. Louis suburb, ignited protests there and around the country.
Since the grand jury decision handed up Monday not to indict Wilson, 28, there have been renewed demonstrations in every major city across the country, protesting the failure to charge him.
Bruntrager provided ABC News with a copy of Wilson's letter of resignation. It reads:
"I, Darren Wilson, hereby resign my commission as a police officer with the City of Ferguson effective immediately. I have been told that my continued employment may put the residents and police officers of the City of Ferguson at risk, which is a circumstance that I cannot allow. For obvious reasons, I wanted to wait until the grand jury made their decision before I officially made my decision to resign. It was my hope to continue in police work, but the safety of other police officers and the community are of paramount importance to me. It is my hope that my resignation will allow the community to heal. I would like to thank all of my supporters and fellow officers throughout this process."
Though Wilson was cleared of criminal charges by the grand jury, the Justice Department is conducting a civil rights investigation into the shooting as well as a separate probe of police department practices.
Wilson, who has been in seclusion since the fatal shooting, said this week in an interview with "Good Morning America" anchor George Stephanolpoulos that he had gotten married since the Aug.9 shooting and that he and his new wife are expecting a baby.
Wilson said in that interview that he wanted to spend his career with the police force, and hoped to one day be promoted to sergeant.
"I wanted to stay on the road for 30 years and then retire as sergeant and have a retirement," Wilson said. "That's all that I wanted."
But he said that after what happened, he was not sure he could return to the Ferguson Police Department. He was a member of the department for six years.
"I'm not sure it's possible. I mean, you think they would accept me? You think it'd be safe for me?" Wilson asked.
He said his notoriety could also put his fellow officers in jeopardy, and asked: "Can I put them in that situation?"
Though in the interview he said he had not made a final decision on returning to the force, he offered some thoughts on what else he might want to do.
"I would love to teach people. I would love to give more insight on … into the use of force and anything I can," he said. "Anything that I can get out of this career I've had so far and of the incident, I would love to give to someone else."
yeah I'm sure a hot-headed asshole who shot and killed an unarmed teenager would make a great teacher
Wow, more conspiratard delusion.
Cop did his job and took the actual hotheaded asshole of the streets.
yeah I'm sure a hot-headed asshole who shot and killed an unarmed teenager would make a great teacher
Wow, more conspiratard delusion.
Cop did his job and took the actual hotheaded asshole of the streets.
Be a libertarian and applaud state sanctioned violence played to the hilt, brehs (http://i.imgur.com/ROie31k.png)
At this point, I encourage you all to continue to not see reason, as you had already made your minds up when you heard the story in the first place, anyway. By all means, please die on this hill. Make as much of a punchline of yourselves as possible.
See, I can't tell with this kinda shit. This could very well be an internal monologue and it would actually make sense. Is dude a troll? I have a hard time believing people are willfully this dumb.At this point, I encourage you all to continue to not see reason, as you had already made your minds up when you heard the story in the first place, anyway. By all means, please die on this hill. Make as much of a punchline of yourselves as possible.
lol
(http://i.imgur.com/sIPMvjL.jpg)
So when Jaydubya says he's a libertarian, he basically means he's a Republican who likes weed, right?spoiler (click to show/hide)Does he actually like weed? :ohhh[close]
Americans divide evenly on last week’s grand jury decision in Ferguson, Missouri – with vast racial, political and generational gaps defining public attitudes on the volatile issue.
Overall, 48 percent in this ABC News/Washington Post poll approve and 45 percent disapprove of the grand jury’s decision not to bring criminal charges against police officer Darren Wilson, who is white, in the fatal shooting of black teenager Michael Brown last August.
Underlying divisions are profound. Fifty-eight percent of whites approve of the grand jury action, compared with 9 percent of blacks and 32 percent of Hispanics, the nation’s two main racial and ethnic minorities. Eighty-five percent of blacks and six in 10 Hispanics disapprove.
Indeed, 73 percent of blacks “strongly” disapprove of the decision not to charge Wilson, a remarkable level of strong sentiment on any issue. Forty-five percent of Hispanics also strongly disapprove – while among whites, 42 percent strongly approve of the grand jury’s decision.
There’s also an even split, 48-47 percent, on whether the federal government should bring civil rights charges against Wilson. In this case 85 percent of blacks say they’d approve, as do 67 percent of Hispanics – falling to 38 percent among whites.
This poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, highlights the stark social divisions in opinions of the case, many of which mirror broader attitudes about the criminal justice system. Views divide sharply not only by race, but also by political party affiliation, ideology and age, among other factors.
Seventy-six percent of Republicans, for example, approve of the grand jury’s decision, while half of political independents and just 27 percent of Democrats agree. Views on civil charges run just as sharply in the opposite direction: Nearly three-quarters of Democrats say they’d approve, dropping to fewer than half of independents and just 21 percent of Republicans.
There’s a similar divide by ideology, with approval for the grand jury action ranging from 74 percent among strong conservatives to 47 percent of moderates and 29 percent of liberals. At the same time 62 percent of liberals say they’d approve of the federal government bringing civil rights charges; 51 percent of moderates agree, dropping to 29 percent of strong conservatives.
The generational differences are equally sharp, with 62 percent of seniors approving of the grand jury decision, compared with 30 percent of those under age 30. And while two-thirds of millennials approve of efforts to pursue a civil case, just a third of seniors agree.
Hold up, now.... Trayvon Martin? He attacked a guy for walking near him and talking to him.
JD, I'm having difficulty understanding how you went from agreeing with me that something should be done to better meet the needs of black members of the community to feel safeguarded by and have trust in the police to ignoring that part of the issue entirely and focusing only on the solitary case of Brown. Do you no longer think that is the case?
JayDubya is the John Stossel of the bore, he thinks he's speaking THE TRUTH but he's really just a racist hiding behind a faux Libertarian facade and everyone but him knows it.
I put him on ignore. No regrets.Should have done this months ago my friend :ufup
Here’s the thing. When we talk about race relations in America or racial progress, it’s all nonsense. There are no race relations. White people were crazy. Now they’re not as crazy. To say that black people have made progress would be to say they deserve what happened to them before.
Right. It’s ridiculous.
So, to say Obama is progress is saying that he’s the first black person that is qualified to be president. That’s not black progress. That’s white progress. There’s been black people qualified to be president for hundreds of years. If you saw Tina Turner and Ike having a lovely breakfast over there, would you say their relationship’s improved? Some people would. But a smart person would go, “Oh, he stopped punching her in the face.” It’s not up to her. Ike and Tina Turner’s relationship has nothing to do with Tina Turner. Nothing. It just doesn’t. The question is, you know, my kids are smart, educated, beautiful, polite children. There have been smart, educated, beautiful, polite black children for hundreds of years. The advantage that my children have is that my children are encountering the nicest white people that America has ever produced. Let’s hope America keeps producing nicer white people.
Does JayDubya ever wonder why in so many years of posting he always ends up on the side of the debate where he gets called a racist? Like year after year after year?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,11150/
I'm not coming from an accusatory tone or trying to shut down discussion, JD, so why have you not given my post a response and yet chose to engage with those who are? Without a response the only conclusion I can draw logically is that you have no intention to engage in real discourse here and are just attempting to get a rise out of people.
Personally I'm more bothered by the classically american frontier attitude toward self defense than any cryptoracism at this point. You struggle with someone in the car or they rush you and it's okay to pump a clip into them.
Where does escalation and de-escalation of force ever enter into the equation here?
What I have a problem with JD is that you always would err on the side of the non-government entity in almost everything. Yet when it comes to this, well the Government must be trusted and given as much power as they deem necessary. It's an APF contrarian type move.Without the sense of humor and self-awareness we get from APF, one of the GOAT Gaf trolls.
I'm not coming from an accusatory tone or trying to shut down discussion, JD, so why have you not given my post a response and yet chose to engage with those who are? Without a response the only conclusion I can draw logically is that you have no intention to engage in real discourse here and are just attempting to get a rise out of people.
No indictment in Eric Garner's death.
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/ (http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/)
Kill a dude selling loose cigarettes with an illegal chokehold, get free and pretend cops don't have a problem brehs
http://www.clickhole.com/article/8-dumbest-criminals-all-time-1532?utm_campaign=default&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_source=facebook
:dead
http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,11150/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,11150/
Oh my god why have I never read this
No indictment in Eric Garner's death.
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/ (http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/)
Kill a dude selling loose cigarettes with an illegal chokehold, get free and pretend cops don't have a problem brehs
After killing a man at an Ohio Walmart, police interrogated his girlfriend, accusing her of lying, threatening her with jail time and suggesting she could be on drugs, according to a video obtained by CNN.http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/16/justice/walmart-shooting-john-crawford/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"There were people who came in and yes, absolutely lied under oath," St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch said. "Some lied to the FBI. Even though they’re not under oath, that’s another potential offense — a federal offense."
"I thought it was much more important to present the entire picture and say, 'Listen, this is what this witness says he saw,'" he added.
A Baltimore Fox affiliate apologized Monday night for a report it ran over the weekend that deceptively edited protestors to look like they were chanting "kill a cop."
Gawker originally caught WBFF chopping up footage of a protest chant to sound like incitement to murder police on Monday.
The chant went "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops, are in cell blocks," according to C-SPAN footage.
But WBFF cut the audio short and told viewers that the words were in fact "we won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop."
The station apologized both on its Facebook page and in an interview with one of the protestors leading the chant, Tawanda Jones.
"Although last night’s report reflected an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying, we apologize for the error," the post read.
"We have deleted the story on our webpage and we offered to have Ms. Jones on Fox45 News at 5:00 tonight for a live interview," it continued.
In that interview, Jones called out the station several times for misrepresenting her words.
"The interesting part that really gets to me is, where you guys edited it and stopped — like, how could that be a mistake?" she said.
"Once you play that whole thing, you would know that's not something that's being said," she added.
The interviewer apologized several times, and though Jones told the station she was grateful to come on, she also said she now fears for her reputation and her safety. Near the end of the interview she began to cry.
"At the end of the day, people's lives are on the line," she said. "Now, even though we're doing this, I still don't feel safe because I still feel like the message is out there."
"What if a crazed-out cop or a crazed-out supporter thinks I'm trying to get cops killed?" she later said, wiping tears from her face.
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-affiliate-apologizes-protester-chantA Baltimore Fox affiliate apologized Monday night for a report it ran over the weekend that deceptively edited protestors to look like they were chanting "kill a cop."
Gawker originally caught WBFF chopping up footage of a protest chant to sound like incitement to murder police on Monday.
The chant went "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops, are in cell blocks," according to C-SPAN footage.
But WBFF cut the audio short and told viewers that the words were in fact "we won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop."
The station apologized both on its Facebook page and in an interview with one of the protestors leading the chant, Tawanda Jones.
"Although last night’s report reflected an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying, we apologize for the error," the post read.
"We have deleted the story on our webpage and we offered to have Ms. Jones on Fox45 News at 5:00 tonight for a live interview," it continued.
In that interview, Jones called out the station several times for misrepresenting her words.
"The interesting part that really gets to me is, where you guys edited it and stopped — like, how could that be a mistake?" she said.
"Once you play that whole thing, you would know that's not something that's being said," she added.
The interviewer apologized several times, and though Jones told the station she was grateful to come on, she also said she now fears for her reputation and her safety. Near the end of the interview she began to cry.
"At the end of the day, people's lives are on the line," she said. "Now, even though we're doing this, I still don't feel safe because I still feel like the message is out there."
"What if a crazed-out cop or a crazed-out supporter thinks I'm trying to get cops killed?" she later said, wiping tears from her face.
Perjury charges should be absolutely be filed against anyone who demonstrably lied under oath to the grand jury.
Of course, that includes Dorian Johnson as well as many others.
The forensic facts of the case are clear and many "witnesses" were completely full of shit.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-plan-media-briefing-on-fatal-shooting-by-berkeley-officer/article_d45db16a-7422-5307-b81d-b45dbdc896ba.html
for fuck's sake
Yeah just read about that right now
why the fuck would you pull a gun on a cop ever much less in this climate?
During the wait for cops to arrive, store officials established the suspect’s identity, and apparently had a change of heart and declined to press charges. But by then it was too late, and the daughter of the man who built a reputation for being tough on crime was carted out in handcuffs.
One of the members of the grand jury that decided not to indict a Ferguson, Mo., police officer in the Michael Brown shooting has sued the St. Louis County prosecutor who oversaw the case, St. Louis Public Radio reported Monday.
The St. Louis County grand juror, who is remaining anonymous, alleges that prosecutor Robert McCulloch's "public characterization" of the grand jury does not reflect the juror's own views.
“In [the grand juror]’s view, the current information available about the grand jurors’ views is not entirely accurate — especially the implication that all grand jurors believed that there was no support for any charges,” the lawsuit says, per the news outlet. “Moreover, the public characterization of the grand jurors’ view of witnesses and evidence does not accord with [Doe]’s own.”
The lawsuit asks for an injunction that would allow the juror to speak publicly about the Brown case. The juror is being represented by the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri.
George Zimmerman was arrested late Friday for aggravated assault in a domestic violence case, according to Florida's Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
Then 31-year-old was detained at 10 p.m in Lake Mary, near Orlando, and has been denied bail, according his booking record. He is due to appear in court at 9 a.m. Saturday.
"Zimmerman was charged with aggravated assault and is currently on a no bond status," the Sheriff's Office said. "The next step in the process is first appearance. At this time, the judge may address bond status."
And yet someone will have called that a "good shooting".That was the 2nd unarmed person that he killed in 2 years. And I don't think either went to trial.
The Justice Department announced it will not pursue federal civil rights charges against Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man.
The Justice Department also will not immediately press charges against the Ferguson Police Department.
Instead, the DOJ says it will work towards a settlement with city officials to deal with significant constitutional violations outlined in a report released Wednesday.
Finally, our long national nightmare is over, racism is defeated.QuoteThe Justice Department announced it will not pursue federal civil rights charges against Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man.
The Justice Department also will not immediately press charges against the Ferguson Police Department.
Instead, the DOJ says it will work towards a settlement with city officials to deal with significant constitutional violations outlined in a report released Wednesday.
Finally, our long national nightmare is over, racism is defeated.QuoteThe Justice Department announced it will not pursue federal civil rights charges against Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man.
The Justice Department also will not immediately press charges against the Ferguson Police Department.
Instead, the DOJ says it will work towards a settlement with city officials to deal with significant constitutional violations outlined in a report released Wednesday.
Hey that's your liberal government's way of solving every problem. Just throw some money at it.
Finally, our long national nightmare is over, racism is defeated.Seriously?QuoteThe Justice Department announced it will not pursue federal civil rights charges against Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Missouri police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man.
The Justice Department also will not immediately press charges against the Ferguson Police Department.
Instead, the DOJ says it will work towards a settlement with city officials to deal with significant constitutional violations outlined in a report released Wednesday.
Knope said she and Hewitt were the first ones at the meeting and when others arrived were asked if they had ever been racialized. Knope and Hewitt both said noShould have said yes, she'll never wind up in Pawnee with that kind of negative attitude.