Official Ninja Gaiden II Thread.

[Enl]

But I have to say that NG's boss battles were harder than in this game. NG2 bosses are hard because they're dealing cheap attacks.

I don't know about that. I can get through most of the bosses in NG with barely taking a hit. They are tough but their attacks usually have openings. And while most of the bosses in NG2 have major weak spots, unless I'm missing something, a lot of their attacks appear undodgable (Water dragon is a big culprit). I've gone through more lives on these bosses than I ever did on my first run through of NG.

[bork]

Guys, is Path Of The Warrior considered to be normal mode or hard mode?  I started on Acolyte, but it seemed a little too easy.  But I'm also a Ninja Gaiden newbie.

It was also a little hard going back to Sigma.  Seems slow in comparison to the sequel.  But I am thinking of trudging on and finishing it first.

[Rman]

Normal.  But this is NG we're talking about.

[demi]

Guys, is Path Of The Warrior considered to be normal mode or hard mode?  I started on Acolyte, but it seemed a little too easy.  But I'm also a Ninja Gaiden newbie.

It was also a little hard going back to Sigma.  Seems slow in comparison to the sequel.  But I am thinking of trudging on and finishing it first.

Acolyte -> Warrior -> Mentor -> Master Ninja

[Vizzys]

[Himu]

[Beezy]

OMG, this game is so much cooler than NG. I'm not ready to stress myself out even more though. I just finished Ninja Gaiden Black and I need a break. I think I'll try out DOA4...

[Narag]

Up to the last boss. I blew all my items on Dagra Dai but I should be able to restart from my save right before that to fight the last guy with a full inventory. So close to the end!  :'(

[MrAngryFace]

This game is great. The first Ninja Gaiden that lets a scrub like me feel awesome. A lot of credit goes to level design that is generally NOT baffling during combat. Way better than the first imo, but im just a ninja dog that wants to casually kick some ass.

[Himu]

ng2 is actually harder than the original, maf

[MrAngryFace]

thats what I dont get, I guess the areas you fight in just arent as stupid awful.

[MCD]

ng2 is actually harder than the original, maf

i heard it's cheap not hard, any truth to this?

[Narag]

ng2 is actually harder than the original, maf

i heard it's cheap not hard, any truth to this?

I haven't noticed anything cheap about it.

[Vizzys]

I would have been pissed if an exploding boss killed me because I didn't already know that it was coming and blockable

I could see how that might be considered cheap, if nothing else in the game is

[MCD]

There's too much trial-and-error gameplay, too many cheap shots, and not enough real challenge. There's a difference between kicking your arse until you learn from it, and kicking your arse until you get lucky, and Ninja Gaiden 2 fails that crucial test all too often.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143163&page=2

i was just wondering if there is any truth to this.

[demi]

The vigilant defenders will say that nothing is wrong (despite the constant framerate issues, 556p graphics, and other "teeny" issues not found in Devil May Cry 4), but yes, there is definite cheapness to be found here.

[MCD]

it's 585p sir.

[demi]

i'm sure itagaki didnt notice either

[Narag]

There's too much trial-and-error gameplay, too many cheap shots, and not enough real challenge. There's a difference between kicking your arse until you learn from it, and kicking your arse until you get lucky, and Ninja Gaiden 2 fails that crucial test all too often.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=143163&page=2

i was just wondering if there is any truth to this.

That specific boss fight would appear cheap on the first time through. Anything other than its rolling attack is interruptible though while said rolling attack is easily avoidable.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You get to fight two at once later on too!

[close]

In regards to the comment about taking potshots at the player's healthbar, some enemies have attacks that hit harder than other attacks, its not a big deal and seems like the reviewer just didn't care for how that worked.  I also didn't notice any issues with save point placement.



Well I guess one cheap thing and probably the only thing I remember thus far that I would label would be those stupid fucking underwater mines.  There's one boss fight where you have to exit by running on lava and there's a small bunch of them right at the exit. 

[Narag]

The vigilant defenders will say that nothing is wrong (despite the constant framerate issues, 556p graphics, and other "teeny" issues not found in Devil May Cry 4), but yes, there is definite cheapness to be found here.

DMC4 and NG2 are just weird when compared. For whatever one game does right, the other does wrong.

[demi]

It is ok, there won't be another Ninja Gaiden now. There can be no more wrong.

[MCD]

i'm sure itagaki didnt notice either

he was too busy suing his boss.

and thanks Narag.

[Jansen]

so i played for about 8 hours straight and this is without a doubt the definitive action game

  itagaki

you bitches that complained about the chapter 3 boss are just that, bitches. go play dmc4 with easy automatic on. ng2 is clearly not for you.

[Tieno]

Just played the demo, I like it. I don't know what I'm really doing but it looks cool, especially the claws. Ryu is such an incredible bad ass. Silent and reserved but the way he moves and the controlled brutality of his fighting is really cool, such a ninja. Sadly, I don't have the patience nor the skill to get the most out of this game and learn the combat. I got until those gardens of skull fishies in the last one though.
It does play way more fluently than DMC4. I played that demo, but I did not like the controls much.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I was playing it yesterday and I'm currently up to the 5th chapter.  I don't know if it's harder than the first NG but it sure as hell feels like about 10 times faster.  Everything is seemingly in a full on bull rush right at you.  I do like the combat more in this one than the previous NG game (or DMC for that matter).  Feels more visceral, more fluid.  You really feel like a bad ass with all the blood and severed limb porn being splashed around the screen and I'm surprised I'm enjoying it as much as I am.....I wasn't too excited about the game before it came out.

I'm still disappointed that the game doesn't include a cohesive metroid-esque game world like the first game though.  The adventure aspect of NG was the thing (imo) that pushed it from a good game to a fantastic one.  Breaking NG2 into individual levels loaded with hidden stuff and no way to go back and revisit them is a little frustrating.

[MCD]

I was playing it yesterday and I'm currently up to the 5th chapter.  I don't know if it's harder than the first NG but it sure as hell feels like about 10 times faster.  Everything is seemingly in a full on bull rush right at you.  I do like the combat more in this one than the previous NG game (or DMC for that matter).  Feels more visceral, more fluid.  You really feel like a bad ass with all the blood and severed limb porn being splashed around the screen and I'm surprised I'm enjoying it as much as I am.....I wasn't too excited about the game before it came out.

I'm still disappointed that the game doesn't include a cohesive metroid-esque game world like the first game though.  The adventure aspect of NG was the thing (imo) that pushed it from a good game to a fantastic one.  Breaking NG2 into individual levels loaded with hidden stuff and no way to go back and revisit them is a little frustrating.

there is a new game +

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Yeah but that's not quite the same.  I loved how everything just wrapped around itself making one world in the original NG making it into an adventure game. Alot of time and effort was obviously spent on planning it all out and I could appreciate that.

NG2 feels like I'm on a roller coaster covered in blood and there's no going back.  Just straight up action.

Must be my old Nintendo fan DNA kicking in here.

[MCD]

linear levels are a good way to eliminate backtracking which i appreciate.

[Don Flamenco]

It is ok, there won't be another Ninja Gaiden now. There can be no more wrong.

Hayashi gaiden. 




The game hasn't been cheap so far (i'm on ch. 6.)  Gaming has softened up a lot, even since NG1.  People want enemies to stand there and do practically nothing.  But there's always a solution in NGII when you're getting destroyed.  Getting hit by off screen shit?  start running, jumping, and dashing dumbass.  Mission 3 boss giving you trouble?  change up your tactics and try something new.  I can't stand people who call games cheap when they're not....you suck, accept it, learn how to play. 

completely applicable:
http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

[siamesedreamer]

The demo is finally up on Marketplace.

I assume its most of the first level. Its pretty fun. Don't think I'll buy it as I know how difficult its likely to get. Couldn't get over all the de-limbing. 

[MrAngryFace]

I really like NG2, its more of a game for scrubs like me at the lower difficulty levels. Sure there's trial and error and sure the boss fights can be cheap, but hows that different from the original? NG2 just provides a lot of opportunities for normal players to feel awesome, and I appreciate that.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

OMG WTF is up with the boss fight in chapter 5?  I gotta fight him on water AND deal with the ghost fish?  Jesus, why not just shove a broomstick up my ass while you're at it.

[Vizzys]

OMG WTF is up with the boss fight in chapter 5?  I gotta fight him on water AND deal with the ghost fish?  Jesus, why not just shove a broomstick up my ass while you're at it.

the dragon right

stay on the ledge and spam arrows, block/avoid his atacks

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I don't understand why Volf hits so hard.

[Himu]

so i played for about 8 hours straight and this is without a doubt the definitive action game

  itagaki

you bitches that complained about the chapter 3 boss are just that, bitches. go play dmc4 with easy automatic on. ng2 is clearly not for you.

[Himu]

I don't understand why Volf hits so hard.

volf is easy. he's like a glorified first  boss of ng1

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I have vanquished Volf:Ruler of Storms. He was easy,he just hit ridiculously hard and I think Sonia's boobs are getting bigger.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

OMG WTF is up with the boss fight in chapter 5?  I gotta fight him on water AND deal with the ghost fish?  Jesus, why not just shove a broomstick up my ass while you're at it.

the dragon right

stay on the ledge and spam arrows, block/avoid his atacks

Yeah thanks.

The first few times I fought the thing I seemed to end up in the water right away....not sure what I was doing exactly....but I was able to take him out with my bow on the ledge.  Finished the guy off with my very last arrow too.  Got lucky there.

On to chapter 6.

[Don Flamenco]

OMG WTF is up with the boss fight in chapter 5?  I gotta fight him on water AND deal with the ghost fish?  Jesus, why not just shove a broomstick up my ass while you're at it.

you weren't too far off...I swam under water and shoved a lunar stick up his ass.  I used a healing item, but i just spammed Y underwater and killed him in a few seconds.

[Third]

Finally finished it.

I've killed the final boss without dying once.

It was a great game. At some points a bit flawed though.
I think I'm going to try the mentor difficulty now.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

"Why hello bone monster!  What a lovely pile of bones you have there.  Why don't I just..."  *splat*

Game Over
You have died.
Do you wish to continue?

YES   NO

[MCD]

just started and i am really out of shape...

[MCD]

i am noticing ryu can withstand some attacks while UT charging now (like simple slashes or a shuriken from a black spider ninja.)

[Beezy]

God, this game owns. I just finished the first two chapters. Died at the beginning of the 3rd chapter when I was learning to use the claws. One of those big purple enemies did a finisher and punched Ryu's head into the concrete while he was lying on the ground.

I also love how the beginning of the game just throws achievements at you, even though they're small.

[Narag]

I like the achievement spread as well. A nice mix of just playing the game for some and being a hardcore fan for others.

[Don Flamenco]

Kusari-gara at level 3 chops the wolves right up.  Love it. 

The lunar is so fucking amazing this time around.  Was not one of my favorites in NG1, but wow, it's my clean up weapon in 2.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The Lunar Staff is really all you need.  I've collected several other weapons now but I keep going back to the staff 'cause it's so useful.  I'd rather play with the double swords or the dragon sword just for pure asthetic reasons but that staff deals out too much ownage to be ignored.

[patrickula]

I've been enjoying this game (on warrior difficulty) when I have the chance to play it.  I never upgraded the Lunar Staff and it looks like I've been missing out.
Environment graphics are pretty meh after the Tokyo level, though the level I just got to looks a little nicer (Aqua City?).
Kicking ass kicks ass.  The gore is awesome and the weapons feel different and great.  Claws are fun!
Enemy variety is entertaining too.  Ninja Dogs were the first enemies to actually kill me 
The camera does blow but I don't think it's gotten me killed yet.  I don't mind that it's linear one bit.
I prefer the ACTION in this action game to DMC, GoW, no question.  It's a bit disappointing I've yet to see another game get close to matching NG's action gameplay.  Itagaki

[Beezy]

The Lunar Staff was the shit in Ninja Gaiden too, bitches.

[muckhole]

Finally got to play my copy for a bit today. It's every bit as awesome as I hoped, but yeah, the camera...it just always seems to give me the worst angle at the worst time. I'll cope, but here I was thinking a lot of folks were overreacting about it. I stand corrected.

Oh, and lovely banner if I may say so, Junpei. 

[demi]

Why is every fucking enemy in this game grabby?

edit: And the game locks up on me while browsing the Leaderboard

[Narag]

Why is every fucking enemy in this game grabby?

edit: And the game locks up on me while browsing the Leaderboard

Its to prevent turtling and your 360 is dying. Sorry. 

[Jansen]

i dunno if his 360 is dying or not but i do think that this game has issues while being connected to xbl. i opened a chest and the loading took almost a minute and then got killed shortly after and then the game froze on me.

after i restarted i disconnected from xbl and played with minimal loading and no more freezing for hours. i still have yet to have a mid-battle load and i've only had the game pop up a 1-2 second loading screen mid-level once.

[demi]

I broke 65000 GS, thanks to Alexei

[Narag]

Trying chapter 14 again.

That's insane, Demi.

[demi]

I like this spot in Chapter 5, where you can just shoot these exploding jellyfish... grind Essence

edit: Ok nevermind, they stopped. Stupid jellyfish.

[Don Flamenco]

so I've encountered one in-battle load and a couple bouts of slow down.  totally exaggerated that shit. 
Still, it's somewhere in between Sigma and Black in terms of loading.

[Beezy]

i dunno if his 360 is dying or not but i do think that this game has issues while being connected to xbl. i opened a chest and the loading took almost a minute and then got killed shortly after and then the game froze on me.

after i restarted i disconnected from xbl and played with minimal loading and no more freezing for hours. i still have yet to have a mid-battle load and i've only had the game pop up a 1-2 second loading screen mid-level once.

Everytime I boot the game up, it disconnects me from Live. I'm able to reconnect right away, but it's still annoying.

[MrAngryFace]

in battle loading is dumb, who said 'lets do that'?

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The slowdown issues seems exaggerated but the camera problems aren't.  I didn't really have too many issues with the supposedly awful camera in the first NG outside of the horseback boss battle on the bridge but it seems out of fucking control in NG2.  I don't know whether it's because NG2 is balls out faster or what but I've been beat down more than a few times primarily because of the camera.

I've seen worse and you can work around it but it sure as hell isn't your friend in this game.