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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2340 on: December 03, 2009, 07:21:29 PM »
Just keep going with the music analogy and it'll make sense, Himuro.

The music analogy is stupid. Music is music. I like what sounds good to my ears. Who gives a fuck.

Well, because there's an actual theory to music development and composition, I like music that does both (appeals to my tastes without sacrificing more advanced composition techniques for music or lyrics)

Dude, read up on cinematography, or take a film class.  There's a level of subjective input in terms of artistry and what you think is artistic, but there really is a method of making shit, you know, legit looking.

If it helps, I think Death Proof was very skillfully shot, as most of Tarantino's films are (Inglorious Basterds being my favorite movie to illustrate this).  It just didn't help that it was an imbalanced, bottom heavy flick in terms of content, and a large disparity of quality all-around between the first half of the movie and the second half.

I know about cinematography, editing (hell, I'm taking a fucking video editing class right now), and all that.

Your argument is weak.

And like what Bob said, what you described has nothing to do with "art" and more to do with presentation.

To me they're one and the same, but meh, whatevs.  You only like Death Proof for that hot black chick.

To be fair, she's really fucking hot.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2341 on: December 03, 2009, 07:22:05 PM »
Naw.

Fair enough. Did you guys shoot anything? What's the class? Do you go to San Jac?

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« Reply #2342 on: December 03, 2009, 07:25:56 PM »
Death Proof is alright but it drags for long periods of time, made worse by some truly pretentious dialogue. Way too much QT masturbation going on for me

I can understand someone not liking TWBB/NCFOM, but Zodiac? smh
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« Reply #2343 on: December 03, 2009, 07:26:40 PM »
I like both TWBB and No Country much more than Zodiac, even on just a purely entertainment level. I keep telling myself I need to watch Zodiac again, though.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2344 on: December 03, 2009, 07:27:02 PM »
Well, we know one thing foc; he didn't film something about a distinguished mentally-challenged piñata or whatever

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I can understand someone not liking TWBB/NCFOM, but Zodiac? smh

Reall? Two movies absolutely adored by nearly every facet and media outlet in film, compared to a relatively niche crime drama that goes, admittedly, nowhere?  I love all three, but why the fuck can you not understand people not liking Zodiac?
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« Reply #2345 on: December 03, 2009, 07:30:46 PM »
Well, we know one thing foc; he didn't film something about a distinguished mentally-challenged piñata or whatever

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I can understand someone not liking TWBB/NCFOM, but Zodiac? smh

Reall? Two movies absolutely adored by nearly every facet and media outlet in film, compared to a relatively niche crime drama that goes, admittedly, nowhere?  I love all three, but why the fuck can you not understand people not liking Zodiac?

Uh because while TWBB/NCFOM are amazing films, it's not hard to see why some people might find them too demanding, boring, dry, etc; I know many people who hated the ending of NCFOM especially.

Zodiac is a pretty damn entertaining movie, despite the length.
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« Reply #2346 on: December 03, 2009, 07:31:00 PM »
Death Proof is alright but it drags for long periods of time, made worse by some truly pretentious dialogue. Way too much QT masturbation going on for me

I can understand someone not liking TWBB/NCFOM, but Zodiac? smh

I like Zodiac more than both. Tremendously.

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« Reply #2347 on: December 03, 2009, 07:33:02 PM »
see BrandKnew? told you
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« Reply #2348 on: December 03, 2009, 07:35:55 PM »
Wait...wait.  A movie about a fucking drug hitman is more boring than a cartoonist who reads puzzles?

What the shit?  There's more action and intensity in one iris of Javier Bordem's eye than there is in the entirety of Zodiac.  Zodiac, while an awesome flick is basically Newspaper Murder Mysteries: the Film.
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« Reply #2349 on: December 03, 2009, 07:36:58 PM »
Zodiac > No Country for Old Men > Juno > There Will Be Blood
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« Reply #2350 on: December 03, 2009, 07:37:26 PM »
Wait...wait.  A movie about a fucking drug hitman is more boring than a cartoonist who reads puzzles?

What the shit?  There's more action and intensity in one iris of Javier Bordem's eye than there is in the entirety of Zodiac.  Zodiac, while an awesome flick is basically Newspaper Murder Mysteries: the Film.

That's why it's awesome.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2351 on: December 03, 2009, 07:37:53 PM »
Zodiac > No Country for Old Men > Juno > There Will Be Blood

and where does Transformers rank  ::)
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« Reply #2352 on: December 03, 2009, 07:39:14 PM »
I don't think there is a single other crime drama in existence that is as plodding and meticulous as Zodiac.  To say it isn't demanding or dry is pretty fucking rich.
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« Reply #2353 on: December 03, 2009, 07:40:40 PM »
Zodiac > No Country for Old Men > Star Trek / Transformers / Terminator Salvation > Juno > Transformers 2 > There Will Be Blood
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« Reply #2354 on: December 03, 2009, 07:40:47 PM »
I don't think there is a single other crime drama in existence that is as plodding and meticulous as Zodiac.  To say it isn't demanding or dry is pretty fucking rich.
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« Reply #2355 on: December 03, 2009, 07:41:00 PM »
Hey, I loved it, don't think I didn't! But if I were forced to answer for the mindless tards out there, I would have to pick Zodiac as the easiest of the three to call boring.
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« Reply #2356 on: December 03, 2009, 07:58:17 PM »
I don't think there is a single other crime drama in existence that is as plodding and meticulous as Zodiac.  To say it isn't demanding or dry is pretty fucking rich.

Yet it manages to be pretty fucking entertaining. More so than TWBB. NCFOM is tense as fuck, and while I think it's amazing I still say killing off a main character off screen sucked energy out of the film.

TWBB>NCFOM>Zodiac
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« Reply #2357 on: December 03, 2009, 08:00:24 PM »
No one I saw Zodiac with thought it was entertaining.

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« Reply #2358 on: December 03, 2009, 08:04:18 PM »
No one I saw Zodiac with thought it was entertaining.

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then there's no way they found TWBB entertaining
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« Reply #2359 on: December 03, 2009, 08:06:35 PM »
No one I saw Zodiac with thought it was entertaining.

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then there's no way they found TWBB entertaining

Only saw TWBB with one friend, but he also went to see Zodiac. He loved TWBB, much more than Zodiac (like me).
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« Reply #2360 on: December 03, 2009, 08:10:50 PM »
smh

anyway lol @ himu!
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« Reply #2361 on: December 03, 2009, 08:11:29 PM »
You should get new friends, cajole :lol
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« Reply #2362 on: December 03, 2009, 08:11:54 PM »
New :lol
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« Reply #2363 on: December 03, 2009, 08:12:00 PM »
friends :lol
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« Reply #2364 on: December 03, 2009, 08:12:39 PM »
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« Reply #2365 on: December 03, 2009, 08:13:58 PM »
Maybe you could get some new friends with taste, so when I drive up to New York you can come visit me before you see your real friend.
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« Reply #2366 on: December 03, 2009, 08:29:20 PM »
But they liked Transformers.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2368 on: December 03, 2009, 09:23:49 PM »
I think that I like movies like There Will Be Blood and No Country, even if they're not as entertaining as a movie like, say, Zombieland, because I enjoy movies that challenge me and defy conventions or seek the pinnacle of the craft more than movies that are just "fun" to watch. I might watch the fun movies a dozen times and the challenging movies once, but I'll still remember the challenging ones more and put them higher on my lists. That's just how I'm wired, I suppose.
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« Reply #2369 on: December 03, 2009, 10:33:19 PM »
I prefer a movie that makes me think AND is rewatchable like Blue Velvet or Videodrone, Chinatown or even Brazil. If I watch a movie once, and think it's good but don't want to rewatch it, it's not good ENOUGH. And I fail to see No Country or There Will Be Blood challenges or defies the craft of filmmaking? They seemed pretty standard to me.

I find something like Pulp Fiction (a so-called "fun" movie!), Pi or Mulholland Drive more challenging than those movies ???
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« Reply #2370 on: December 03, 2009, 10:42:47 PM »
Wow. Just watch what you like and don't be a snob about it. No need to make up some B.S. about how videodrome spoke to your soul.

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« Reply #2371 on: December 03, 2009, 10:51:40 PM »
Well, I've watched No Country at least twice and I've been meaning to go back and watch There Will Be Blood again, so it's not like they're two movies that I only want to see once and then never again. I'd say No Country does defy conventions quite a bit, thanks in part to the story it's based on of course, by killing the main character halfway through and because of the ending. Just read people talk about it, a lot of people just hate, hate, HATE that, but I love it because you just don't movies do that very often.

There Will Be Blood reminded of the old epics from the 60's and 70's, everything's really large and expansive. But instead of being some great adventure or a war movie, it's about a guy who's completely despicable from start to finish and when you think he's finally lost everything at the end, he winds up getting exactly what he wanted all along: revenge against the only man that ever bested him. DDL's performance, just the overall look and feel to the world, and the final scene pushed it over the top for me. The scene where the oil rig catches on fire was pretty good too, especially with the music.

And even if these movies aren't necessarily breaking all the rules and turning everything up on their heads, they still require much more from the viewer in terms of concentration than a movie like Zombieland. With Zombieland, you can just sit back and watch the gore fly. You don't really have to think about anything at all, other than how cool everything is. I feel that movies like No Country and There Will Be Blood require a bit more than just that, and I appreciate that sort of thing.
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« Reply #2372 on: December 03, 2009, 10:53:49 PM »
Wow. Just watch what you like and don't be a snob about it. No need to make up some B.S. about how videodrome spoke to your soul.

It truly did. It changed my life.
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« Reply #2373 on: December 03, 2009, 10:56:43 PM »
By the way, Pulp Fiction is an awesome movie and so is Videodrome, even if it also ragingly bizarre. But that's also part of why it's so awesome.

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« Reply #2374 on: December 03, 2009, 10:57:23 PM »
I don't agree with Great Rumbler's assessment of There Will Be Blood at all.
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« Reply #2375 on: December 03, 2009, 10:58:13 PM »
I really like Cronenberg movies but they're so out there I only want to watch them once. Like, I don't think I will watch Crash ever again. When I first watched it, my cousin was staying over and she came when I was watching it and thought I was watching gay porn.

Sigh. :(


And I still fail to see how No Country or There Will Be Blood make the viewer think at all.

Guy drills oil, guy is money obsessed, guy raises up son, son goes deaf due to accident, guy abandons son, guy still has money on the mind, son grows up and marries childhood friend and tells father to fuck off, guy kills crazy preacher.

???

So deep.

And I won't even bother with describing No Country.

thought both were pretty straight forward.
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« Reply #2376 on: December 03, 2009, 11:00:00 PM »
My problem isn't that you are putting TWBB on too low of a pedestal, it's that you're giving Death Proof too much credit.  It's like comparing orange juice to wine.  They're both drinks, most people probably drink more oj than wine, but they have totally different goals and should be the best (drink/movie/sex toy) for different occasions.

And Green Shinobi, I honestly don't consider music a real art form.  It's fun and requires talent but it just doesn't interest me enough for me to respect the musicians or whatever the fuck.

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« Reply #2377 on: December 03, 2009, 11:00:47 PM »
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When I first watched it, my cousin was staying over and she came when I was watching it

Interesting.
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« Reply #2378 on: December 03, 2009, 11:01:43 PM »
My problem isn't that you are putting TWBB on too low of a pedestal, it's that you're giving Death Proof too much credit.  It's like comparing orange juice to wine.  You don't compare them.  They're both drinks, most people probably drink more oj than wine, but they have totally different goals and should be the best (drink/movie/sex toy) for different occasions.

I'm not comparing them. I said I like Death Proof more than TWBB and I got raised eyebrows. I don't care if they're not even in the same genre. We were talking about movies in 2007 overall, and I liked DP a lot more than it.


And Green Shinobi, I honestly don't consider music a real art form.

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« Reply #2379 on: December 03, 2009, 11:03:28 PM »
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When I first watched it, my cousin was staying over and she came when I was watching it

Interesting.

She's a lesbian.
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« Reply #2380 on: December 03, 2009, 11:07:32 PM »
Then that just means that you enjoy movies by a different standard.  case closed.  Red Hot Chili Peppers can suck a gaping mangina.

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« Reply #2381 on: December 03, 2009, 11:09:45 PM »
I'm about to watch Sunshine. Hope it doesn't suck.
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« Reply #2382 on: December 03, 2009, 11:12:43 PM »
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And I still fail to see how...There Will Be Blood make the viewer think at all.

Are you fucking joking? :rofl

Dude, you musta had a complete *whoosh* experience with it.

edit: your movie description of it is how my 5 year old cousin would summarize it.  Dude, are.you.serious.
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« Reply #2383 on: December 03, 2009, 11:16:14 PM »
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« Reply #2384 on: December 03, 2009, 11:17:14 PM »
I'm about to watch Sunshine. Hope it doesn't suck.

It doesn't for the first half. 

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« Reply #2385 on: December 03, 2009, 11:19:09 PM »
I DRINK UR MILKSHAKE!!1

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« Reply #2386 on: December 03, 2009, 11:22:00 PM »
I appreciated TWBB and NCFOM far more on the second viewing. Especially NCFOM because I was able to "get" the ending. Both films are pretty amazing on every level. NCFOM is pretty damn tense, is well acted, has some great cinematography blah blah blah; it keeps you on the edge of your seat without some type of jolting musical score. TWBB is tense, but more so because you're watching a ticking nuclear bomb for three hours. DDL is amazing in it, and I really liked Dano as well, who's performance reminded me of many of the hyper-religious folks I've met. The film is also brought to life by great musical score.

Both are movies I can talk about forever, and the same goes for Zodiac. Death Proof is pretty damn forgettable by comparison. I certainly liked it but as others have said, some of the dialogue is too ridiculous and really takes me out the movie. The first death scene and the final chase are really the only memorable parts of it. Just about everything else is filler.
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« Reply #2387 on: December 03, 2009, 11:31:05 PM »
I DRINK UR MILKSHAKE!!1

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« Reply #2388 on: December 03, 2009, 11:32:03 PM »
I'm about to watch Sunshine. Hope it doesn't suck.

The first two-thirds or so are really awesome. Most of the final two-thirds is kind of suck. The final scene is really awesome.
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« Reply #2389 on: December 03, 2009, 11:32:59 PM »
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And I still fail to see how...There Will Be Blood make the viewer think at all.

Are you fucking joking? :rofl

Dude, you musta had a complete *whoosh* experience with it.

edit: your movie description of it is how my 5 year old cousin would summarize it.  Dude, are.you.serious.

Refresh my memory then. How does it make the viewer think?
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #2390 on: December 03, 2009, 11:39:51 PM »
There is the whole dichotomy of oil vs. religion that has affected American politics for the last 10 years...

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« Reply #2391 on: December 03, 2009, 11:44:14 PM »
should say last 100 years

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« Reply #2392 on: December 03, 2009, 11:44:55 PM »
Wow, FoC actually understood a theme in a movie? I'm impressed. And while I definitely got that, it didn't really make me "think" as some of the posters in this thread are suggesting. I hail from a town which was an oil town, so I got that part of the movie quite easily.
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« Reply #2393 on: December 03, 2009, 11:51:18 PM »
Wow, FoC actually understood a theme in a movie? I'm impressed. And while I definitely got that, it didn't really make me "think" as some of the posters in this thread are suggesting. I hail from a town which was an oil town, so I got that part of the movie quite easily.

Or, you know, the importance of parental guidance, the reality of death, the notion that man is inherently animalistic, the importance of oil in the development of wealth and greed in the country, the internal struggle between what is nature and what is nurture, religion being as equal a destructive force as greed (or the notion that they can be one and the same)...I could fucking go on.

Listen man, you can tell me you found TWBB boring, that's fine.  But you can't fucking argue it "didn't make you think."  Yes, it does.  This isn't Drumline or some shit.
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« Reply #2394 on: December 03, 2009, 11:52:28 PM »
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This isn't Drumline or some shit.
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« Reply #2395 on: December 03, 2009, 11:54:15 PM »
:rofl
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« Reply #2396 on: December 03, 2009, 11:55:44 PM »
BrandNew just drank Himuro's milkshake.

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« Reply #2397 on: December 04, 2009, 12:00:05 AM »
Wow, FoC actually understood a theme in a movie? I'm impressed. And while I definitely got that, it didn't really make me "think" as some of the posters in this thread are suggesting. I hail from a town which was an oil town, so I got that part of the movie quite easily.

Or, you know, the importance of parental guidance, the reality of death, the notion that man is inherently animalistic, the importance of oil in the development of wealth and greed in the country, the internal struggle between what is nature and what is nurture, religion being as equal a destructive force as greed (or the notion that they can be one and the same)...I could fucking go on.

Listen man, you can tell me you found TWBB boring, that's fine.  But you can't fucking argue it "didn't make you think."  Yes, it does.  This isn't Drumline or some shit.

Are you saying Drumline DOESN'T make you think?  :maf
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« Reply #2398 on: December 04, 2009, 12:02:01 AM »
It makes me think how the fuck did Nick Cannon get Mariah Carey
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« Reply #2399 on: December 04, 2009, 12:02:11 AM »
The only thing that twbb made me think about is how awesome DDL and Paul Anderson are.
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