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Bebpo

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6480 on: August 01, 2010, 01:25:21 AM »
I'm on mission 13 of 19.  About to do the big shown with the empire in the plains.  So far 80% of the mission objectives have been "capture the flag".

And I don't think it really does give you leeway to run around taking out the leaders if you want the best rankings.  Like I just finished the "take back Bruhl" mission in 2 turns with a scout run and I only got an A rank (playing the JP version, so S rank is the highest) which means to get S rank you would have had to run across the entire map, take out an enemy machine gunner & an enemy gun turret and capture the flag in 1 turn.  Yeah, that's gonna use your entire 12 starting CP.  There's no way you have leeway to do anything else in the map.

The objectives should have been "kill all the enemy leaders" or "kill all the enemies period" instead of "capture some flag guarded by 2 guys".  It's bad design when coupled with the way xp is rewarded.

Also totally annoying that you only get 1 chance to get an order and then it moves to the next one next chapter.  I didn't know that for the first few chapters so I permanently missed the first couple like "evacuate injured unit".  Which has just increased the trial & error bits in the game since if anyone gets unexpectedly downed it's an instant reload and sit through 1 min+ of loading.


I don't think it's a good srpg.  Hell I found the first 10 hours of Operation Darkness to be a less broken, better srpg (though the camera is ultra shitty) until my Xbox erased my save game.  And traditional grid-based SRPGs like FFT, Tactics Ogre destroy Valkyria Chronicles if you try to compare them.

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« Reply #6481 on: August 01, 2010, 01:29:54 AM »
And hey, new Tales coming!
I can't read japanese.

Raban

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« Reply #6482 on: August 01, 2010, 03:09:17 AM »
I don't see how a different perspective = gimmick.

I wasn't using that as an insult, it's just, it's the primary aspect of the game. It's platforming in the first person.

Also, playing Starcraft 2 is probably one of the most draining things I've ever done. After one mission I'm completely spent. This game is whooping my ass.

archie4208

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« Reply #6483 on: August 01, 2010, 03:20:16 AM »
League of Legends:  I know Heroes of Newerth is a better game, but LoL has been more captivating recently.  (Probably because it is an easier game :lol)
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

Bebpo

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6484 on: August 01, 2010, 04:25:15 AM »
Finished SRW K.  Worst SRW I've played, but still a fun game with some nice bits.  Kotetsushin Jeeg was awesome and needs to be in a console SRW.  Gun x Sword was pretty rad too.  Godanner was fun.  Fafner was so so terrible.  lol

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6485 on: August 01, 2010, 05:25:11 AM »
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.
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« Reply #6486 on: August 01, 2010, 06:18:02 AM »
as far as super robot taisen go i played Super Robot Taisen A (which has a script translation),Super Robot Taisen Alpha Gaiden (which has a complete patch translation) and Super Robot Taisen R (which has a patch that translate the menu) and i really want to like these games but i always get bored halfway trough... it just seems to have the same problem i have with every other SRPG,there are longass battles where you spend your first half getting your guy near the enemy troops and the other completly obliterating every mook unit (unless you are playing fire emblem in which case one of the mook score a critical on one of your unit and *bam* reset!) and it feels like playing a normal rpg where you are permanently stuck in a normal battle because the developers didn't want to bother with all the other stuff that makes a rpg cool
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6487 on: August 01, 2010, 09:41:06 AM »
Back to playing FFXIII again, so I'm at the Chapter 9 end boss.

For whatever reason, I just cannot get into Vesperia at all.  It has everything I want in a JRPG but it does it at such an annoyingly slow pace that it ruins most of it.  Maybe I'm used to the quick speed of FFXIII.
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archie4208

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« Reply #6488 on: August 01, 2010, 10:53:37 AM »
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6489 on: August 01, 2010, 10:58:15 AM »
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

Bloodlines is easily as janky, if not moreso. And probably even more incomplete. But Bloodlines has arguably better writing, better quests, better world, and better characters.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6490 on: August 01, 2010, 10:59:38 AM »
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

? That game is shit too. What kind of comparison is this? :lol
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archie4208

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« Reply #6491 on: August 01, 2010, 11:05:13 AM »
Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

Bloodlines is easily as janky, if not moreso. And probably even more incomplete. But Bloodlines has arguably better writing, better quests, better world, and better characters.

I agree that Bloodlines has a better story and characterization, but AP is still fairly solid.  Also the timed response system is a masterstroke and I'm glad that future RPGs (Witcher 2 and DA2 in particular) are using it in some capacity.

? That game is shit too. What kind of comparison is this? :lol

Yeah, but it has Bender and an awesome song playing at the bar.

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Himu

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« Reply #6492 on: August 01, 2010, 11:07:39 AM »
I bought Super Mario Galaxy 2 and REmake for wii yesterday. Getting RDR next week.

Will play RDR or SMG2 after DQ9 but for now I'm tag teaming RE4 with DQ9 because RE4 rox.
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Himu

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6493 on: August 01, 2010, 11:08:38 AM »
So Demon's Souls is the only PS3 exclusive rpg worth playing?

Valkyria.


Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

Bloodlines is easily as janky, if not moreso. And probably even more incomplete. But Bloodlines has arguably better writing, better quests, better world, and better characters.

bloodlines is overrated.

Alpha Protocol:  An underrated gem.  If this game were published by Bioware and had a large advertising campaign, it would have been better received by the gaming public.

It gets more shit than it deserves, it's very enjoyable.

I can see where the ire comes from.  The gunplay is very janky (I miss shooting a person even though I'm right in his face?  lol) but it is no worse than VTM: Bloodlines imo.

? That game is shit too. What kind of comparison is this? :lol

wrpg standards :lol An incomplete, half-assed is lauded as "one of the best rpgs of the decade" simply because of its writing.
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Himu

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6494 on: August 01, 2010, 11:12:28 AM »
I've come to my own personal conclusion that Valkyria Chronicles is an overrated terribly broken and unfun strategy rpg filled with slow moeblob cutscenes.

The gameplay is fundementally flawed because of the objective for each map to "secure the enemy flag guarded by like 2 guys at the end of a field of dozens" because it becomes about stacking orders on a scout, having them run past everyone and skip the entire battle and then take out the two guys and win the map.  This basically skips the actually combat and strategy and makes the maps boring.  But the game ENCOURAGES THIS which is what ultimately turns a broken gameplay mechanic into a broken game mechanic.  Because you get jack shit for xp/money from actually fighting and 90% of your xp/money is earned solely on how fast you can finish a map, if you want to get good xp/money each map you basically need to abuse the scout and avoid the entire map every time.  This sucks.  It's not fun, it's boring, it's a decent amount of trial & error attempts since the enemy layout/map layout isn't fully understood until you're in the field running through it and the loading is absolutely terrible for mid-battle saves making trial & error even worse.  But if you skip all that and just say "hey I want to have fun and shoot all the enemies with my party and advance" then you're gonna be screwed by getting low ranks and bad xp/money payout.  So basically while the core gameplay is good, the flag = win map objectives & turn-based xp/money payout is really bad and makes it a bad strategy game imo that's not particularly fun. 

Then when you're not in battle, you're sitting through 20 mins of talking heads that are pretty dull.  The real cutscenes are nice and that's what should have been entirely all the story parts. 

The art is great and the music is real good sakimoto, but I don't think the game underneath is particularly good.  I need to read up on the sequel and see if it's just as broken, and if it is I think I'll probably skip it.

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demi

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6495 on: August 01, 2010, 11:13:32 AM »
If you guys wanted good storytelling theres tons of books out there. If you want actual gameplay on your gaming machine, um, yeah
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Himu

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6496 on: August 01, 2010, 11:16:39 AM »
like everyone else, I totally forgot I was halfway through FF13.

I forgot I've played FF13 and I've beaten it. The only time I remember is when someone mentions it by name.
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Himu

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« Reply #6497 on: August 01, 2010, 11:19:01 AM »
If you guys wanted good storytelling theres tons of books out there. If you want actual gameplay on your gaming machine, um, yeah

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demi

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« Reply #6498 on: August 01, 2010, 11:23:47 AM »
I'm just saying. Grandia 3 at least has a great battle system to cover up the horrible story. What does Alpha Protocol have? It is 2 for 2 on the shit scale.
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Beezy

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« Reply #6499 on: August 01, 2010, 12:25:04 PM »
So Demon's Souls is the only PS3 exclusive rpg worth playing?

Valkyria.
I was responding to Bebpo's post complaining about Valkyria.

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« Reply #6500 on: August 01, 2010, 12:28:25 PM »
wrpg standards :lol An incomplete, half-assed is lauded as "one of the best rpgs of the decade" simply because of its writing.

Writing, characters, world, quests, and choices. You can also get a completely different gaming experience by playing as a Nosferatu.

It's a flawed gem, and there aren't many who'll skip the "flawed" part.

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I'd still take it any day over all the JRPGs I've played the past decade. :patel
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« Reply #6501 on: August 01, 2010, 12:56:46 PM »
There are plenty of games that offer all of the above but aren't a broken buggy mess. I've never played Bloodlines but that janky video and reports on how the game is a buggy, unfinished mess, turn me off. I expect at least a slight amount of polish in the games I play (I'm also a "gameplay over all" person).
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« Reply #6502 on: August 01, 2010, 12:58:15 PM »
Back to playing FFXIII again, so I'm at the Chapter 9 end boss.

hey i'm working my way through that level now!  god i hate when jrpgs blare a repetitive siren in the background for the WHOLE LEVEL


confession: the more i play this game, the more i start to feel my inner weeaboo.  i'm usually disgusted by awful animu cliches but for whatever reason (prolly nostalgia) final fantasy always makes me geek out.  the terrible dialog, the embarrassing displays of heroism, the goofy-looking costumes and monsters omg it all makes me feel like my little nerd teen self again :-[
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6503 on: August 01, 2010, 01:03:02 PM »
There are plenty of games that offer all of the above but aren't a broken buggy mess. I've never played Bloodlines but that janky video and reports on how the game is a buggy, unfinished mess, turn me off. I expect at least a slight amount of polish in the games I play (I'm also a "gameplay over all" person).

Not many games do those things as well as Bloodlines.

And Bloodlines has good gameplay, it just has really janky "combat". It's really not so much a problem early in the game, but towards the end [where every aspect of the game falls off], the problems with the combat become overly apparent. Nevertheless, it's a unique experience and the first half to two-thirds of the game is really, really great.

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Bebpo

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« Reply #6504 on: August 01, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »
as far as super robot taisen go i played Super Robot Taisen A (which has a script translation),Super Robot Taisen Alpha Gaiden (which has a complete patch translation) and Super Robot Taisen R (which has a patch that translate the menu) and i really want to like these games but i always get bored halfway trough... it just seems to have the same problem i have with every other SRPG,there are longass battles where you spend your first half getting your guy near the enemy troops and the other completly obliterating every mook unit (unless you are playing fire emblem in which case one of the mook score a critical on one of your unit and *bam* reset!) and it feels like playing a normal rpg where you are permanently stuck in a normal battle because the developers didn't want to bother with all the other stuff that makes a rpg cool


You're playing the old ones before the series actually became fun to play.

Fun srw games:
Alpha 3
W, K
OGs
OG Gaiden
Z
Lord of Elemental DS

W/K are jokingly easy though.  MX/Alpha 2 are passable as well.


LOL

Great rebuttable there :P  Everyone I talk to about Valkyria basically goes "yeah, the game design is broken for about 60-70% of the missions, scouts are broken, orders are broken, but the game is just so innovative and so cool that who cares how broken it is, game rox!"  I hear they fixed a lot of this for Valkyria 2, so it's probably the better game. 
« Last Edit: August 01, 2010, 02:29:20 PM by Bebpo »

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6505 on: August 01, 2010, 02:36:30 PM »
Playing the orange box on the 360. Specifically Half Life 2. Had it since it came out but only played Portal and the shitty version of TF2. Back when Half Life 2 orginally came out I didn't have a PC capable of playing it and when I eventually got one, I wasn't interested in playing it at that point. But I'm bored this weekend.

Entertaining and atmospheric although the gun play and the physics and the general movement don't hold up quite as well as I would have hoped. 

magus

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« Reply #6506 on: August 01, 2010, 02:42:38 PM »
i tried the OG games but it was even worse,it still had the same problems but now it lacked all the cool super robot,instead they were replaced with generic robotic unit with really boring music

not to mention that all those skill points which are gained all by finishing the map quickly are all incredibly annoying,especialy if the objective is to kill reinforcement which appear on the other side of the map!

i mean if the game has to be boring at least i want to take kickass boring :rock
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i could watch this over and over :o
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Bebpo

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« Reply #6507 on: August 01, 2010, 02:51:44 PM »
then play Z!

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magus

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« Reply #6508 on: August 01, 2010, 03:10:00 PM »
that video has a clear lack of getter
other acceptable answer
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Bebpo

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« Reply #6509 on: August 01, 2010, 03:22:52 PM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6510 on: August 01, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »
The wrpg talk is from the last page but I just want to say that most wrpg have lame stories.  The ending to these games always feel like the writer was caught with their pants down and quickly made some unsatisfying conclusion.  Usually it is the character interactions and smaller quests that take place in the middle of the game that are interesting.  The other problem is that all paths usually lead to one conclusion.  It almost devalues everything you've done to get to that point because if you were a saint or cock, you'll still end up in the same place.  Then there is a choice at the end, which again makes everything you've done until that point seem unimportant, and you're forced to fight an enemy that requires certain skills that you didn't invest in because the rest of the game was about playing how you wanted to.

also, I like Vampire Bloodlines but the shooting is maybe the worst in a wprg.  Luckily you can stick to using melee for most of the game, until the endgame where it is a total disaster.

also also, Grandia series :bow2 I don't even remember the main character's name in Grandia 2 but it is one of my favorite jrpg. 

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6511 on: August 01, 2010, 07:15:25 PM »
I've come to my own personal conclusion that Valkyria Chronicles is an overrated terribly broken and unfun strategy rpg filled with slow moeblob cutscenes.

The gameplay is fundementally flawed because of the objective for each map to "secure the enemy flag guarded by like 2 guys at the end of a field of dozens" because it becomes about stacking orders on a scout, having them run past everyone and skip the entire battle and then take out the two guys and win the map.  This basically skips the actually combat and strategy and makes the maps boring.  But the game ENCOURAGES THIS which is what ultimately turns a broken gameplay mechanic into a broken game mechanic.  Because you get jack shit for xp/money from actually fighting and 90% of your xp/money is earned solely on how fast you can finish a map, if you want to get good xp/money each map you basically need to abuse the scout and avoid the entire map every time.  This sucks.  It's not fun, it's boring, it's a decent amount of trial & error attempts since the enemy layout/map layout isn't fully understood until you're in the field running through it and the loading is absolutely terrible for mid-battle saves making trial & error even worse.  But if you skip all that and just say "hey I want to have fun and shoot all the enemies with my party and advance" then you're gonna be screwed by getting low ranks and bad xp/money payout.  So basically while the core gameplay is good, the flag = win map objectives & turn-based xp/money payout is really bad and makes it a bad strategy game imo that's not particularly fun. 

Then when you're not in battle, you're sitting through 20 mins of talking heads that are pretty dull.  The real cutscenes are nice and that's what should have been entirely all the story parts. 

The art is great and the music is real good sakimoto, but I don't think the game underneath is particularly good.  I need to read up on the sequel and see if it's just as broken, and if it is I think I'll probably skip it.

:bow BEBPO :bow2

The amount of cutscenes turned me off completely. I didn't feel there was much strategy to it either as you said for an SRPG. If it wasn't for the pretty graphics and exclusivity it's really not that different from Operation Darkness, which at least had an interesting premise.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6512 on: August 01, 2010, 08:30:21 PM »
Back to playing FFXIII again, so I'm at the Chapter 9 end boss.

hey i'm working my way through that level now!  god i hate when jrpgs blare a repetitive siren in the background for the WHOLE LEVEL


confession: the more i play this game, the more i start to feel my inner weeaboo.  i'm usually disgusted by awful animu cliches but for whatever reason (prolly nostalgia) final fantasy always makes me geek out.  the terrible dialog, the embarrassing displays of heroism, the goofy-looking costumes and monsters omg it all makes me feel like my little nerd teen self again :-[

I have the sound off and generally skip the cutscenes.

I admit that I like the game.  The first part irritated me but the game seems to be getting progressively better with more interesting environments.  I also like how the battles zip along and while it isn't the most in depth, I find managing the paradigms to keep it interesting at least.  Most JRPGs feature repetitive battles and this isn't much different but the paradigm varieties you can set up keep it from being sleep inducing.

I can understand why some people may not like it though but I enjoy it!
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« Reply #6513 on: August 01, 2010, 08:33:57 PM »
I've come to my own personal conclusion that Valkyria Chronicles is an overrated terribly broken and unfun strategy rpg filled with slow moeblob cutscenes.

The gameplay is fundementally flawed because of the objective for each map to "secure the enemy flag guarded by like 2 guys at the end of a field of dozens" because it becomes about stacking orders on a scout, having them run past everyone and skip the entire battle and then take out the two guys and win the map.  This basically skips the actually combat and strategy and makes the maps boring.  But the game ENCOURAGES THIS which is what ultimately turns a broken gameplay mechanic into a broken game mechanic.  Because you get jack shit for xp/money from actually fighting and 90% of your xp/money is earned solely on how fast you can finish a map, if you want to get good xp/money each map you basically need to abuse the scout and avoid the entire map every time.  This sucks.  It's not fun, it's boring, it's a decent amount of trial & error attempts since the enemy layout/map layout isn't fully understood until you're in the field running through it and the loading is absolutely terrible for mid-battle saves making trial & error even worse.  But if you skip all that and just say "hey I want to have fun and shoot all the enemies with my party and advance" then you're gonna be screwed by getting low ranks and bad xp/money payout.  So basically while the core gameplay is good, the flag = win map objectives & turn-based xp/money payout is really bad and makes it a bad strategy game imo that's not particularly fun. 

Then when you're not in battle, you're sitting through 20 mins of talking heads that are pretty dull.  The real cutscenes are nice and that's what should have been entirely all the story parts. 

The art is great and the music is real good sakimoto, but I don't think the game underneath is particularly good.  I need to read up on the sequel and see if it's just as broken, and if it is I think I'll probably skip it.

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The amount of cutscenes turned me off completely. I didn't feel there was much strategy to it either as you said for an SRPG. If it wasn't for the pretty graphics and exclusivity it's really not that different from Operation Darkness, which at least had an interesting premise.

Valkyria's not perfect but it DOESN'T have an interesting premise?
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6514 on: August 01, 2010, 08:34:42 PM »

I admit that I like the game.  The first part irritated me but the game seems to be getting progressively better with more interesting environments.  I also like how the battles zip along and while it isn't the most in depth, I find managing the paradigms to keep it interesting at least.  Most JRPGs feature repetitive battles and this isn't much different but the paradigm varieties you can set up keep it from being sleep inducing.



I just use rav/rav/com 75% of the game.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6515 on: August 01, 2010, 08:55:46 PM »
I'm not sure how someone can claim Valkyria doesn't have much strategy unless you have completed all of the missions with an A (or S) rank while killing every leader unit. It's like playing Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja, running past 80% of the enemies in the game and then claiming it's not hard.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6516 on: August 01, 2010, 09:13:04 PM »
Valkyria's not perfect but it DOESN'T have an interesting premise?

It's not as interesting as Nazi werewolves.

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I'm not sure how someone can claim Valkyria doesn't have much strategy unless you have completed all of the missions with an A (or S) rank while killing every leader unit.

Probably poor wording on my part, it's not fun strategy.
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« Reply #6517 on: August 01, 2010, 10:11:15 PM »
I'm not sure how someone can claim Valkyria doesn't have much strategy unless you have completed all of the missions with an A (or S) rank while killing every leader unit. It's like playing Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja, running past 80% of the enemies in the game and then claiming it's not hard.

If you could get through a Master Ninja NG2 run by avoiding 80% of the enemies, then yes, that would be a problem with the game.  Especially if NG2 based it's leaderboard scores entirely around shortest time to clear and thus actively encouraged players to do so.

Valkyria strikes me as very similar to what I played of Sakura Taisen.  To me, ST is a very average strategy game with some creative concepts and not a whole lot of tight gameplay mechanics, covered in a polished layer of anime girls who give a ridiculous amount of dialogue between combats portions.

And also like Pilonv1, I'm not denying that there is strategy in Valkyria Chronicles and that it is a strategic game.  But rather it's just not fun.  Especially compared to all the great strategy games or srpgs out there that are full of strategy and full of fun.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6518 on: August 01, 2010, 10:31:07 PM »
You can run past a ton of enemies (literally; you can avoid 3000+ enemies), and since there is a speed run leaderboard they do kinda encourage it. :P

Not liking the game is fine, but it does require some good strategy to kill everyone while getting an A rank. I'm not saying the game is perfect, but the way I played it was a lot of fun. I killed all the enemies I could on each map and then finished the main objective. I didn't get an A rank on every mission the first time I played it (far from it), but it's not like you screw yourself or anything by getting B's.

And speaking of SRPGs that are not perfect, I started Spectral Force 3. Not liking it very much from the couple hours I played.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6519 on: August 02, 2010, 01:23:29 AM »
I'm probably being harsher on Valkyria than it deserves.  Have a lot going on irl right now, and when I have time to game I want something that is quick and fun and you hit some buttons and sparks fly.  Valkyria is really not my cup 'o tea at the moment.  I don't think it's a bad game, but I'm not feeling the love everyone praises on it.

Will go back to it and try to clear ch.13-19 in a slower more methodical way of taking out most of the enemies next week when I have that kind of time.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6520 on: August 02, 2010, 02:49:07 AM »
Valkyria's not perfect but it DOESN'T have an interesting premise?

It's not as interesting as Nazi werewolves.


When you put it that way...is ANYTHING?  ???
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6521 on: August 02, 2010, 02:52:02 AM »
Operation Darkness had Tanks vs. Dragons. 

It's basically the greatest game concept ever, but the camera is very bad suck.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6522 on: August 02, 2010, 08:01:11 AM »
Operation Darkness had Tanks vs. Dragons. 

If Kings Bounty had Tanks it would be great. It has zombies and bears and dragons though.
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« Reply #6523 on: August 02, 2010, 08:06:16 AM »
But is it set in World War 2?
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« Reply #6524 on: August 02, 2010, 08:14:23 AM »
No, it's fantasy :(

It's still fantastic.
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« Reply #6525 on: August 02, 2010, 09:08:06 AM »
2/3 of the way through Treasure of the Rudras at the moment... game hasn't picked up in quality, but hasn't gone down in quality either... so it's still a solid "B" game from SNES era Squaresoft.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6526 on: August 02, 2010, 09:25:21 AM »
Been meaning to try that ever since I found out there is a translation. Maybe after I finish Vesperia. Did you post some impressions earlier in the thread?
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« Reply #6527 on: August 02, 2010, 02:03:37 PM »
Well, I don't think the patch is too "recent", it's from 2008 or 9 or so... Ethelred was the one who tuned me on to the patch in an old GAF thread: http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=365476

Done by AGTP, and it's a pretty good job, very few glitches or errors aside from the occasional typo or repeated word. Certainly better than most 16-32 bit translation jobs.

For the game, while I don't like it as much as Ethel, it still has a few great ideas (the Suikoden 3 style scenario where you select from 3 different stories and see how actions in one story affect another / the Mantra system in which you program in words and pre/suffixes to make new spells) mired in a high encounter rate, lots of annoying boss fights (some of which don't even give you the luxury of a save point before), some annoying backtracking, and repetitive environments. It's better than Bahamut Lagoon or Treasure Hunter G as far as translated SNES RPGs go, but not quite Phantasy Star 4, Chrono Trigger, Lufia 2, FF4-6 level...
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6528 on: August 02, 2010, 03:21:16 PM »
Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay [2009 edition]

I really want to like this game because it does a lot of things right, has some pretty cool locations and atmosphere, and Vin Diesel is cool in it, but the gunplay and controls are just not very good. For one thing, it's got some seriously annoying mouse smoothing going on, so the reticule feels like it's always jerking around and nothing moving nearly as smoothly as it should. Moving also feels really weird, like they're going for some king of realistic, momentum-based scheme, but it just comes across as awkward and counter-intuitive. Aiming is awful too because every gun I've come across so far basically just sprays bullets across a wide area, but enemies will hit you from a thousand feet away every single time and also have a huge amount of body armor forcing you to attempt to shoot them at the head [which is really hard because of the nature of the way the guns work]. I suppose the intent is to make you rely on stealth more, but there are a lot of places where you just can't play stealthy and keep from getting shredded.

It's decent enough to keep playing, but I can usually only stand twenty or thirty minute intervals.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6529 on: August 02, 2010, 03:32:54 PM »
the m:tg blue deck is a total pain in the ass to play against. i keep getting close but then have a string of really shitty draws that prevent me from getting any sort of traction in the mid game

argh.

so i go back to playing Oblivion

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6530 on: August 02, 2010, 06:00:09 PM »
I did the World Rally Tour in Dirt 2 that is 5 back to back rally stages across the world

Best looking 15 mins of graphics ever.  Can't wait for Dirt 3.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6531 on: August 02, 2010, 11:24:31 PM »
finished off Half Life 2. Enjoyable but it does drag. It feels like the stages go on for too long. Also that chick suddenly changing sides at the end didn't make sense.


I'm playing episode 1 now. Enjoying it and the pacing seems better.
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« Reply #6532 on: August 02, 2010, 11:29:58 PM »
I decided to boot up Alpha Protocol and was met with grunting noises and a notice my save game was corrupt.  demi was right, turd game.  Leper Archie.

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« Reply #6533 on: August 02, 2010, 11:34:42 PM »
:rofl not even 360 ver had that issue...
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« Reply #6534 on: August 02, 2010, 11:38:23 PM »
I beat the whole game without that happening.  8)
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6535 on: August 02, 2010, 11:48:48 PM »
finished off Half Life 2. Enjoyable but it does drag. It feels like the stages go on for too long. Also that chick suddenly changing sides at the end didn't make sense.


I'm playing episode 1 now. Enjoying it and the pacing seems better.

Totally agree.

HL2 is a great game that just goes on too long.

I enjoyed Episodes 1 and 2 much much more. Episode 2 in particular is awesomeawesomeawesome.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #6536 on: August 03, 2010, 02:17:18 AM »
Playing Bioshock 2.  Was just about to put my head through the goddamn television.  At some point in the middle of the Fontaine Futuristics level, I set off an alarm and it would NOT turn off, even after the countdown disappeared.  I purposefully set off other alarms and shut them down, I even left the area and it still kept going.  So I was like, "fuck this", and reloaded the auto-save from the beginning of the level, and wouldn't ya know it?  THE FUCKING ALARM IS GOING OFF! 

Thankfully, turning off the console and resetting it that way did the trick.  I was getting all geared up to snap the disc in half too.
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« Reply #6537 on: August 03, 2010, 07:51:34 AM »
I decided to boot up Alpha Protocol and was met with grunting noises and a notice my save game was corrupt.  demi was right, turd game.  Leper Archie.

wtf. Never had that on the PC version...
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« Reply #6538 on: August 03, 2010, 01:24:54 PM »
I decided to boot up Alpha Protocol and was met with grunting noises and a notice my save game was corrupt.  demi was right, turd game.  Leper Archie.

wtf. Never had that on the PC version...

Apparently it happens with retail versions.  It is part of the copy protection (which makes no sense since I had the DVD in the tray since I first got the game).  I was getting bored of the game and tossed it on Goozex.

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« Reply #6539 on: August 03, 2010, 05:41:10 PM »
I decided to boot up Alpha Protocol and was met with grunting noises and a notice my save game was corrupt.  demi was right, turd game.  Leper Archie.

wtf. Never had that on the PC version...

Apparently it happens with retail versions.  It is part of the copy protection (which makes no sense since I had the DVD in the tray since I first got the game).  I was getting bored of the game and tossed it on Goozex.

My copy was the retail version.
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