Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads

[Momo]

I really dislike the court of owls for some reason

[Cormacaroni]

Has anyone checked out Double Barrel on comixology etc yet? (also iBooks, iVerse etc). It's probably my favorite thing right now. So much great content for $2, and the price goes down to $1 after a month. The only proviso is you should really read Kevin Cannon's 'Far Arden' before jumping into his story, since it's a direct sequel. 

[Tasty]

I really dislike the court of owls for some reason

The reveal was really clumsy and I'm not a big fan of the "secret society has always been here etc. etc." plot contrivances, but the actual story and nitty gritty of the arc was handled great, I feel.

[bork]

The reveal at the end of the Night Of Owls arc was the only thing that really sucked about it.  They also should have built up the whole Court Of Owls thing over a much longer period of time.  I know that Night Of Owls happened after seven months of Batman and Nightwing comics, but it still felt kind of rushed.

[chronovore]

Has anyone checked out Double Barrel on comixology etc yet? (also iBooks, iVerse etc). It's probably my favorite thing right now. So much great content for $2, and the price goes down to $1 after a month. The only proviso is you should really read Kevin Cannon's 'Far Arden' before jumping into his story, since it's a direct sequel.

Purchased blind, because: Cormacaroni.

[Eric P]

whelp

http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a398507/rob-liefeld-im-itching-to-tell-more-adult-stories.html

"I've been itching to tell more adult stories. For me, it's a reflection of everything that I've been consuming for years - just harder, more adult fare that I could really only do on my own.

"It's not a reflection on any company other than subject matter and the levels of 'mature' content I'd be able to produce. More gore, blood, sex, violence, like any good cable show."

[bork]

Rob will be able to depict sex like no other artist has before. 




Imagining this kind of anatomy engaged in sexual acts reminds me of some twisted monster from Silent Hill.

[Momo]

Looks like an Ito horror alright

[Eric P]

RIP JOE KUBERT

[Cormacaroni]

what? nooooooooooo

[ManaByte]

And now shops will jack up the price on Nightowl 1 and 2

[bork]

So what's Rob Liefeld going to be doing after he finishes up at DC?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Fresh off his epic Deathstroke/Lobo battlefest, Rob will make comics featuring...his Deathstroke and Lobo rip-offs.

[close]

[Joe Molotov]

And they said you can't go home again.

[bork]

It just makes this quote look even more hilarious!

I've been itching to tell more adult stories. For me, it's a reflection of everything that I've been consuming for years -- just harder, more adult fare that I could really only do on my own.

[Joe Molotov]

He always wanted to show Deathstroke's wang but never could....UNTIL NOW.

[Momo]

why do those guys have no feet

[Great Rumbler]

why do those guys have no feet

Because Rob Liefeld.

[Yeti]

Ok, I know drawing faces is difficult and can take a little while, but isn't it cheating when only one out of your six characters has their entire face visible, and then you draw it real small so you don't have to add a lot of detail?

[Yeti]

Also look at the hair...only 3 characters have visible hair, and all 3 just have blond troll doll hair!

[parallax]

So what's Rob Liefeld going to be doing after he finishes up at DC?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Fresh off his epic Deathstroke/Lobo battlefest, Rob will make comics featuring...his Deathstroke and Lobo rip-offs.

[close]

More marvel and dc rip off characters with his fuck horrible mc escher guns.

[chronovore]

I was stuck somewhere with my iPad and realized that I'd bought World War Hulk when comixology had it on sale for 99¢ an issue.

Somehow, despite the fact that it didn't take much time to read and it was cheap, I feel ripped off.

[Momo]

Their thick thighs kinda bother me

[Eric P]

I was stuck somewhere with my iPad and realized that I'd bought World War Hulk when comixology had it on sale for 99¢ an issue.

Somehow, despite the fact that it didn't take much time to read and it was cheap, I feel ripped off.

i really liked planet hulk and then really disliked wwh.

[ManaByte]

WWH sort of reminded me of DKR2. Not needed, but forced for money.

[Eel O'Brian]

liefeld has a certain charm in that he persistently refuses to learn or grow in his artwork, and seems to have been frozen in time at age 15

on a certain level you have to admire the balls of someone whose steadfast solution to not knowing how to draw something is to hide whatever it is behind other things

[bork]

Indeed.  Feet do not exist in the Liefeldverse!

[Cormacaroni]

So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.

[Eel O'Brian]

well, it's just my opinion, i can't hate someone just for being a shitty artist

[Diunx]

robertliefeld ‏@robertliefeld

I'll be doing dramatic readings of some of my comics work at upcoming appearances. Who doesn't want to act this stuff out right?? Stay tuned

fucking hell I can't wait till December 21.

[bork]

rob

[Eric P]

i picked up that Drops of God series.  It's really earnest.  I'm certain it would be better if I were a wine person.  I'll just find the shonen copycat one about whiskey

[Howard Alan Treesong]

the whiskey connoisseur one is called "Vagrant Story"

[ManaByte]

Last year at the final Wizard World con in Anaheim, a guy I know had a copy of New Mutants #98 (first appearance of Deadpool) he wanted to get signed by Rob. The guy's a huge Deadpool fan, so I went with him over to Rob's table and there were only a couple of dimwit teenagers there drooling over his shitty prints. In order for him to sign New Mutants #98, my friend had to buy one of those shitty prints, but that $20 also got him three signatures. So when he was signing the comic and the super shitty print of Uncanny X-Force (the only one that didn't look like it was drawn by a 12 year old) Rob told him he had one signature left and asked him if his friend (me) wanted anything signed. It was hard to not laugh when I said no thanks.

[recursivelyenumerable]

So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.

John Holbo at Crooked Timber did a whole article on this, http://crookedtimber.org/2012/06/18/body-images-and-realism-in-art-notes-towards-a-transvaluation-of-liefeldian-values/

A follow-up post, I suppose. This sequel to the original 40-worst Liefeld drawings post is a wonder and a public service. But here’s the thing: like all good people, I love Jack Kirby and loath Rob Liefeld. But most of the criticisms of Liefeld – namely, it’s so, so anatomically wrong! – could be applied to Kirby. Why do all his characters look like someone poured a pot of ink down their foreheads? What are those things on the women’s cheeks that might be cheekbones but aren’t? But in the one case I feel affection and admiration, in the other, contempt and revulsion.

I mean: she’s got, like, five extra vertebrae. If you like it, you like it. If you don’t, you’ll say you don’t like it because she’s got too many vertebrae. But then there’s probably some other unrealistic style of painting you like ok. So what are you really bothered by?

Liefeld’s problem isn’t that he can’t draw feet. (Although it’s true. He can’t: how to draw comics the EXTREME way! is funny!) Liefeld’s problem also isn’t that he is a fetishist, because it’s not so unusual for artists to, ahem, investigate the same subject matter over and over again in a body of work. The problem is that the spirit of the whole thing is repellent … but why exactly? It’s juvenile without being attractively childish. It’s incompetent without being attractively outsider-art-y. (If only Rob Liefeld had died and all of his stuff been discovered, unpublished, in his mom’s basement. He could have been a genius.) (...)

[Eel O'Brian]

I finally got around to reading Black Dossier and Century. Liked Black Dossier a lot. Century kind of crawls up its own ass at points - enjoyable, but not quite up to par with the first two LoEG miniseries.

[Cormacaroni]

So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.

John Holbo at Crooked Timber did a whole article on this, http://crookedtimber.org/2012/06/18/body-images-and-realism-in-art-notes-towards-a-transvaluation-of-liefeldian-values/

A follow-up post, I suppose. This sequel to the original 40-worst Liefeld drawings post is a wonder and a public service. But here’s the thing: like all good people, I love Jack Kirby and loath Rob Liefeld. But most of the criticisms of Liefeld – namely, it’s so, so anatomically wrong! – could be applied to Kirby. Why do all his characters look like someone poured a pot of ink down their foreheads? What are those things on the women’s cheeks that might be cheekbones but aren’t? But in the one case I feel affection and admiration, in the other, contempt and revulsion.

I mean: she’s got, like, five extra vertebrae. If you like it, you like it. If you don’t, you’ll say you don’t like it because she’s got too many vertebrae. But then there’s probably some other unrealistic style of painting you like ok. So what are you really bothered by?

Liefeld’s problem isn’t that he can’t draw feet. (Although it’s true. He can’t: how to draw comics the EXTREME way! is funny!) Liefeld’s problem also isn’t that he is a fetishist, because it’s not so unusual for artists to, ahem, investigate the same subject matter over and over again in a body of work. The problem is that the spirit of the whole thing is repellent … but why exactly? It’s juvenile without being attractively childish. It’s incompetent without being attractively outsider-art-y. (If only Rob Liefeld had died and all of his stuff been discovered, unpublished, in his mom’s basement. He could have been a genius.) (...)

huh. Thanks for that!

[ManaByte]

Mark Millar on Liefeld: "the best high concept artist in the business"

https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/238033568096473088

[ManaByte]

[bork]

Mark Millar on Liefeld: "the best high concept artist in the business"

https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/238033568096473088

 

[Cormacaroni]

the whole Avengers blooper reel is gold...there's just something so f'in absurd about seeing guys in those costumes IRL, doing mundane things

[bork]

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/08/rob-liefeld-walks-off-three-dc-titles-to-preserve-my-sanity/

Rob Liefeld walks off three DC titles ‘to preserve my sanity’


Rob Liefeld, who teased last month on the heels of Grant Morrison that he too would be leaving DC Comics soon, announced his abrupt departure this morning with a flurry of tweets criticizing his editors and the handling of the New 52. Although he’s listed in the solicitations for Deathstroke, Grifter and The Savage Hawkman through November, the writer/artist states that next month’s zero issues will be his last.

“Officially got off the DC52 treadmill this morning,” he wrote, adding, “I believe in what DC is doing, but had to preserve my sanity. I walked off all 3 books. Can’t wait to see any attempts to spin. I have every email.”

Liefeld was among the original creators when DC launched the New 52 a year ago, penciling and later also writing Hawk & Dove before moving in May to Deathstroke (writing and penciling), The Savage Hawkman and Grifter (plotting both).

“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2. “Never thought the Image section of my book would be topped. This last year was a humdinger. The DC52 chapters will go top all of it. [...] Reasons are the same as everyone’s that you hear. I lasted a few months longer than I thought possible. Massive indecision, last minute and I mean LAST minute changes that alter everything. Editor pissing contests… No thxnjs. Last week my editor said ‘early on we had a lot of indie talent that weren’t used to re-writes and changes … made it hard.’ Uh, no, it’s you.”

Liefeld is only the latest creator to exit DC’s New 52 titles amid complaints of a relaunch plagued behind the scenes by disorganization and indecision. Notably, George Perez expressed his frustration over the repeated rewrites and lack of creative freedom that he contends led to his run on Superman being cut short.

“Don’t look for any tell all interview with me,” Liefeld added. “Just follow this feed. … the best stuff has not been shared — not even close!”

[Momo]

YES

[Joe Molotov]

“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2.

This made me laugh for some reason.

[bork]

Everyone is wondering if Rob brought his Conan sword to the theater to watch Arnold.

[bork]

[Joe Molotov]

DEM FEET

His right foot looks like a spade and I can't even figure out what's going on with his left foot.

[Mr. Gundam]

Has anyone ever asked him why he has a tough time with feet?

[bork]

Image posted in the art thread for proper critiquing. 

[Momo]

Jesus fuck at that chest and package

[bork]

I like that the dude's head is literally Cable with black hair (and no glowing eye) or "Weapon X" Kane from the old X-Force.   

[Diunx]

Motherfucker was tweeting during the movie!

[ManaByte]

He didn't walk off. He was fired. The books he did sold like they looked (shit).

[Phoenix Dark]

(Image removed from quote.)

[ManaByte]

Marvel marries off Northstar, who's been gay since the 90s...so DC makes Alan Scott gay, who wasn't gay before.

Marvel makes the new Ultimate Spider-Man half-Hispanic, half-African American with an awesome costume given to him by Samuel L. Jackson, DC makes the new GL of Earth Arab-American with a shitty costume that looks like a Kick Ass rip off:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/baz-confirmed-as-1st-arab-american-green-lantern.html



DC should just change their name to Pandering Comics.

Edit: And what the fuck does GREEN LANTERN need with a real gun? He can just make a construct!

[chronovore]

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/08/rob-liefeld-walks-off-three-dc-titles-to-preserve-my-sanity/

Rob Liefeld walks off three DC titles ‘to preserve my sanity’


Rob Liefeld, who teased last month on the heels of Grant Morrison that he too would be leaving DC Comics soon, announced his abrupt departure this morning with a flurry of tweets criticizing his editors and the handling of the New 52. Although he’s listed in the solicitations for Deathstroke, Grifter and The Savage Hawkman through November, the writer/artist states that next month’s zero issues will be his last.

“Officially got off the DC52 treadmill this morning,” he wrote, adding, “I believe in what DC is doing, but had to preserve my sanity. I walked off all 3 books. Can’t wait to see any attempts to spin. I have every email.”

Liefeld was among the original creators when DC launched the New 52 a year ago, penciling and later also writing Hawk & Dove before moving in May to Deathstroke (writing and penciling), The Savage Hawkman and Grifter (plotting both).

“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2. “Never thought the Image section of my book would be topped. This last year was a humdinger. The DC52 chapters will go top all of it. [...] Reasons are the same as everyone’s that you hear. I lasted a few months longer than I thought possible. Massive indecision, last minute and I mean LAST minute changes that alter everything. Editor pissing contests… No thxnjs. Last week my editor said ‘early on we had a lot of indie talent that weren’t used to re-writes and changes … made it hard.’ Uh, no, it’s you.”

Liefeld is only the latest creator to exit DC’s New 52 titles amid complaints of a relaunch plagued behind the scenes by disorganization and indecision. Notably, George Perez expressed his frustration over the repeated rewrites and lack of creative freedom that he contends led to his run on Superman being cut short.

“Don’t look for any tell all interview with me,” Liefeld added. “Just follow this feed. … the best stuff has not been shared — not even close!”

So Liefield not only can't draw, he's also a dick who does text messaging inside a movie theater. :smh

[Cormacaroni]

[Eric P]

got the Prophet trade paperback in the mail yesterday

fucking wow.

It's pure Metal Hurlant / euro sci-fantasy shit and I loved every goddamn page of it.  every goddamn page.  Best of its kind since Jerry Cor Casanova.

Also finally read the first HC volume of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run.  Pretty good.  I can see why it was a classic of its time.  You can certainly see the influence the first story arc had on the first story arc of Sandman (in the whole Swampy vs Woodrue / Sandman vs Doctor Destiny thing) and how Sandman was constructed from a "look and feel" at least for that first volume.

Good timing as the New 52 Swamp Thing trade will reach me this week.

[bork]

Prophet is great...hard to believe it's Liefeld-related!

[Joe Molotov]

I've started reading The Goon. Great stuff, I love it. The setting is great and the writing is hilarious but still able to pull off some serious stuff (like the parts with Buzzard). Read through volumes 1-3 of the trades (I don't have volume 0 yet), need to pick up some more.

[Diunx]

(Image removed from quote.)

Pretty fucking impressive.