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agrajag · « **Reply #20760 on:** July 16, 2018, 03:32:54 PM »

Is this IT's fourth team in three seasons? Poor guy.

bluemax · « **Reply #20761 on:** July 16, 2018, 11:06:06 PM »

https://twitter.com/Anthonysmdoyle/status/1018909690904784896

benjipwns · « **Reply #20762 on:** July 17, 2018, 06:50:12 PM »

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The Sacramento Kings have traded guard Garrett Temple to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Ben McLemore, forward Deyonta Davis, a 2021 second-round draft pick and cash.

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Nemanja Bjelica, who had agreed to a one-year deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, informed the team Tuesday that he will stay in Europe this season, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20763 on:** July 18, 2018, 06:15:47 AM »

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The Toronto Raptors are finalizing a deal to acquire San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard in a trade package that includes All-Star DeMar DeRozan, league sources told ESPN.

An agreement in principle could be reached as soon as Wednesday, league sources said.

Leonard and DeRozan are both aware that an agreement could be imminent, and neither is expressing enthusiasm for the deal, league sources said.

Toronto and San Antonio have been talking about the trade for two weeks, and several incarnations of packages have been discussed, league sources said.

Sources close to DeRozan told ESPN's Chris Haynes that DeRozan met with Toronto brass in Las Vegas during summer league and was told he would not be traded.

Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri is taking a significant risk in pursuing the trade. Ujiri will make the deal with a determination that he can sell Leonard on re-signing with the Raptors next summer in free agency, sources said. Toronto would be able to offer Leonard a five-year, $190 million contract next summer. If Leonard left the Raptors, he could sign a four-year, $141 million deal with a team with the available salary-cap space.

Leonard has been clear that he plans to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers in free agency next summer.

DeRozan has three years and $83 million left on his contract, including an Early Termination Option for the 2020-21 season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24126943/san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors-finalizing-deal-involving-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20764 on:** July 18, 2018, 06:26:52 AM »

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/demar-derozan-wiping-out-instagram-trade-speculation/454271

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #20765 on:** July 18, 2018, 08:52:47 AM »

Pretty smart move by Toronto. Gives them a year to attempt to convince Kawhi to stay there. About the only way they will ever attract a good free agent.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20766 on:** July 18, 2018, 11:17:53 AM »

They gave you $150 million bro, and you've been there what eight, nine seasons?

Mandark · « **Reply #20767 on:** July 18, 2018, 11:19:22 AM »

Call him ungrateful benji.

Do it.

Akala · « **Reply #20768 on:** July 18, 2018, 11:52:27 AM »

I don't think I'm high on the trade, but tbh they probably had hit their ceiling over the last few years and they know it, so why not spice it up?

Nola · « **Reply #20769 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:03:18 PM »

Hearing that neither side is particularly happy with this trade. Understandable and I'm sure Derozan will be ok eventually, Kawhi I'm not so sure.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20770 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:07:41 PM »

For the Spurs I get it. I would have probably wanted to nab a younger player than Demar but outside of that, Demar was probably the best player they were gonna land. And he's right in the middle of his prime.

I think its a bit weird for the Raptors. I don't like it as one year rental, and for the long term with how unpredictable Kawhi has become it's a gamble I wouldn't make myself.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20771 on:** July 18, 2018, 12:48:49 PM »

Also another example of why player loyalty to a franchise is a silly fan driven narrative. You are basically trading a guy who embraced that franchise for a guy who publicly at least, wants nothing to do with that franchise. It's a business so shit happens, but its also why I always laugh at these jilted fanbases that forever harbor a grudge when their star wants to leave. Get over it.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20772 on:** July 18, 2018, 01:15:23 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 18, 2018, 11:19:22 AM

Call him ungrateful benji.

Do it.

DeMar Derozan is not the hill to die on for making this point Mandark, not with those career advanced stats.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20773 on:** July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM »

Kawhi found the way to force the Spurs hand by announcing he was going to play for the US.

I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20774 on:** July 18, 2018, 05:53:17 PM »

Mandark · « **Reply #20775 on:** July 18, 2018, 07:49:43 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:15:23 PM

DeMar Derozan is not the hill to die on for making this point Mandark, not with those career advanced stats.

How many ~~divisions~~ win shares does ~~the Pope~~ MLSE have?

benjipwns · « **Reply #20776 on:** July 19, 2018, 01:01:37 PM »

Raptors also picked up Danny Green in the deal:

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Raptors get: Forward Kawhi Leonard and guard Danny Green

Spurs get: Guard DeMar DeRozan, center Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick

Pick is Top 20 protected.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #20777 on:** July 19, 2018, 03:28:51 PM »

As a Torontonian, DeMar DeRozan reminds me of Joe Carter* (minus the rings)--nice counting stats that inflate a mediocre impact. When I tell fellow Torontonians that Joe Carter was never that good, they look at me like I'm wearing a MAGA hat.

DeMar's PER has topped 21.5 once in nine years,** and his playoff PER has never been above 18.2. DeMar has a negative ratings according to ESPN's Defensive Real Plus-Minus: he had the 429th worst on-court impact on team defensive performance in 2017 and the 467th worst in 2018. (A 39-year-old Dirk Nowitzki and a 41-year-old Vince Carter had positive ratings last year.)

*8.6 bWAR as a Jay over 7 seasons, but six 100-RBI seasons.
**Carter did it six times, four times as a Raptor.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20778 on:** July 19, 2018, 04:39:40 PM »

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24141034/denver-nuggets-first-round-draft-pick-michael-porter-jr-second-back-surgery

Nola · « **Reply #20779 on:** July 19, 2018, 05:01:13 PM »

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1020045930429583365

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20780 on:** July 19, 2018, 05:38:11 PM »

Pretty good trade for OKC. I actually like Schroder.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20781 on:** July 20, 2018, 02:42:01 AM »

Schroder trade has expanded into three way:

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The Thunder will then send Muscala to the 76ers for forward Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, and Philadelphia will send guard Justin Anderson to Atlanta, league sources said.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20782 on:** July 20, 2018, 02:43:14 AM »

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On top of that, Atlanta adds a first-round pick during what ESPN's Jonathan Givony indicated last week teams are hearing could be the first year where high schoolers are eligible for the draft. That would potentially produce a so-called "double draft" in 2022 with both the one-and-done prospects from the 2021 recruiting class and 2022 high school seniors eligible.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20783 on:** July 20, 2018, 02:50:28 AM »

Nola · « **Reply #20784 on:** July 20, 2018, 03:26:25 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 19, 2018, 05:38:11 PM

Pretty good trade for OKC. I actually like Schroder.

The more I looked in to him when it was rumored the Pels were interested, the less I liked of him. Though I was looking at him from the standpoint as a 30+ minute starter.

Though I think in the right system and as a 6th man he makes a lot more sense. Which is what I assume he will be for OKC.

Mandark · « **Reply #20785 on:** July 20, 2018, 05:42:52 PM »

Michael Beasley to the Lakers!

benjipwns · « **Reply #20786 on:** July 20, 2018, 11:00:32 PM »

Kings getting dudes to back out and sign with them instead:

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Yogi Ferrell has agreed to a two-year, $6.2 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, according to a Yahoo Sports report.

Earlier Friday, Ferrell backed out of his agreement with the Dallas Mavericks on a two-year, $5.3 million deal that the two sides had agreed to Thursday.

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The Sacramento Kings and forward Nemanja Bjelica have agreed to a three-year deal (first reported by Yahoo Sports). Bjelica spent the previous three seasons with the Minnesota Timberwolves, and had agreed to a deal with the Philadelphia 76ers this offseason before backing out this week

Some minor deals:

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The Brooklyn Nets acquired Jared Dudley and a 2021 second-round draft pick from the Phoenix Suns for forward Darrell Arthur on Friday.

Arthur will be waived after his $7.4 million contract is bought out

In another trade on Friday, the Suns sent $1 million to the Philadelphia 76ers to acquire center Richaun Holmes.

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The Memphis Grizzlies and free-agent guard Shelvin Mack are progressing in talks on a one-year deal, league sources told ESPN.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #20787 on:** July 20, 2018, 11:41:46 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:50:28 AM

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I think Anthony's aging curve is pretty typical.

Anthony is just six months older than James. Making James' aging curve that more impressive.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20788 on:** July 21, 2018, 11:24:36 PM »

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24160730/second-mural-depicting-lebron-james-vandalized-los-angeles

I guess Jack is still working through his emotions.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20789 on:** July 21, 2018, 11:56:06 PM »

At this point, I don't even know why this is a story. Unless your mural is basically inside a museum at night, there is gonna be somebody defacing it.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20790 on:** July 23, 2018, 01:29:17 AM »

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Free-agent center Alex Len has agreed to a two-year, $8.5 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks, a source confirmed to ESPN.

kinda liking the Hawks...for the shitty team I'll do franchise mode with in 2K19

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20791 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:54:28 AM »

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24169163/nba-conversation-isaiah-thomas

Interesting read. I still have a good bit of sympathy for thomas despite how he can be his own worst enemy sometimes.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #20792 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:45:07 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM

I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.

wouldnt the real method to spite them have been to force them to give up 2 or 3 of their young guys/picks instead of setting it up so that he signs there next offseason while they retain everyone they’ve drafted?

naff · « **Reply #20793 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:50:21 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 11:24:36 PM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24160730/second-mural-depicting-lebron-james-vandalized-los-angeles

I guess Jack is still working through his emotions.

Kobe stans

agrajag · « **Reply #20794 on:** July 23, 2018, 09:54:33 PM »

they'll get over it once LeBron starts putting in the work in LA

benjipwns · « **Reply #20795 on:** July 23, 2018, 11:27:02 PM »

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 23, 2018, 09:45:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.
wouldnt the real method to spite them have been to force them to give up 2 or 3 of their young guys/picks instead of setting it up so that he signs there next offseason while they retain everyone they’ve drafted?

That was the problem, the Lakers didn't have to trade. If Kawhi didn't want to be with the Spurs anymore, with the Lakers as his preferred destination, then the Lakers controlled what the Spurs were receiving back. Spurs didn't want Ball, they were never getting Ingram.

In this instance there's the small chance the Raptors can sell Kawhi on taking the higher raise and longer contract to stay, maybe they make a Finals run, maybe he winds up liking the team/city/etc. Raptors can offer him ~$40 million more than the Lakers. If the Spurs had sent him straight to the Lakers he only lost ~$30 million off the supermax.

Raptors also have the ability to deal Kawhi again, and might be more willing than the Spurs (who wanted a player for now back) to deal with the one team the Lakers don't want anyone dealing with, the Clippers. Especially if it becomes part of the Raptors ending this era and shifting to a rebuild, the Clips have favorable contracts and can maybe take in Ibaka or Lowry too.

bluemax · « **Reply #20796 on:** July 23, 2018, 11:34:35 PM »

The way I understand it, is the Clippers are essentially set up to be able to offer one Max next summer and could possibly offer 2 if they dump Danilo Galinari (or don't extend Tobias Harris).

So essentially this year for them is about developing their two new guards, maintaining respectability and then clearing people out so they can make a run at Kawhi next summer.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20797 on:** July 23, 2018, 11:43:28 PM »

The team Kawhi's on can offer him ~$190 million over five years*. The Lakers (or any other team) can offer him a max of ~$150 million over four years. This is the main reason they don't want him landing on the Clippers, as it'd be tough to give up $40 million just to change locker rooms in Staples. The rumor has always been that he'd prefer the Lakers, but LA in general is the main destination and the Lakers wouldn't want to risk it.

If Donald Sterling still owned the Clippers this would probably be different, but Ballmer has no real issues with paying and even overpaying to be good similar to fellow Microsoft alum Paul Allen.

*The Spurs could have resigned Kawhi for ~$225 million over five years, but only they could have done this, it's not on the table from any team now that he's been traded I don't believe.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20798 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:05:38 PM »

heh, and after all that "he might bail to LA!" when they got him

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Forward Kevin Love was "very excited and obviously humbled" after signing a long-term extension with the Cleveland Cavaliers on Tuesday. Terms were not announced, but league sources told ESPN that the four-year, $120 million extension tops out his overall deal at five years, $145 million.

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He took $8 million less than his full max as general manager Koby Altman worked with Love and agent Jeff Schwartz to keep some salary cap flexibility for the Cavaliers on the back end of the deal, when his maximum annual salary could've been in the $35 million range, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1021830049438134272

agrajag · « **Reply #20799 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM »

Nobu

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20800 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:09:48 PM »

Odd decision to double down on Love to me. That's a team that should be tearing things down. Not trying to tie themselves down.

Mandark · « **Reply #20801 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:11:34 PM »

Gilbert's probably itching to prove he can win without LeBron, and maaaaaaybe Love would have more trade value now that he wouldn't be a rental. Except his contract already looks like an albatross.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20802 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:12:36 PM »

https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1021830551307780096

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20803 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:14:12 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 24, 2018, 11:11:34 PM

Except his contract already looks like an albatross.

That's my thing. Maybe Love will prove me wrong and next season he will return to being the player he was in Minnesota, but I really think the game is moving away from him. Who's wants that contract for 4 years in a trade?

benjipwns · « **Reply #20804 on:** July 24, 2018, 11:14:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/Nedsfeed/status/1021831301811318784

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20805 on:** July 25, 2018, 11:44:26 PM »

https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1022278193661718528

https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1022286434630131713

https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-durant-ugly-twitter-feud-c-j-mccollum-called-move-warriors-soft-014402147.html

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20806 on:** July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM »

I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.

Akala · « **Reply #20807 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:29:38 AM »

Quote from: agrajag on July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM

Nobu

Miso Cod and Yellowtail w/Jalepeno are truth.

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agrajag · « **Reply #20808 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:34:25 AM »

Quote from: Akala on July 26, 2018, 12:29:38 AM

Quote from: agrajag on July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Nobu

Miso Cod and Yellowtail w/Jalepeno are truth.

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Yeah, 15 years ago.

Akala · « **Reply #20809 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:45:31 AM »

Classics never go out of style.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20810 on:** July 26, 2018, 06:09:47 PM »

https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1022294064367116288

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https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1018328654873493504

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benjipwns · « **Reply #20811 on:** July 26, 2018, 09:10:35 PM »

seagrams hotsauce · « **Reply #20812 on:** July 26, 2018, 10:05:15 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM

I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.

it's really hilarious and weird. at least he's doing it under his own account now. but hey, elon musk is pushing 50, so i don't think 'flying off on twitter' is an age thing

TEEEPO · « **Reply #20813 on:** July 26, 2018, 10:52:10 PM »

https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1022554865103454209

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20814 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:26:24 PM »

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 26, 2018, 10:05:15 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.

it's really hilarious and weird. at least he's doing it under his own account now. but hey, elon musk is pushing 50, so i don't think 'flying off on twitter' is an age thing

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24203681/kevin-durant-golden-state-warriors-says-grown-weary-how-media-portrayed-sensitive-one

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"Oh yeah," Durant, speaking after USA Basketball practice, said when asked if he was tired of people telling him to be quiet. "I mean, it is just to the point that I know what you're upset at. Just say it instead of make excuses. Know what I'm saying? I got too many texts or I talk too much on Instagram or I talk too much on Twitter or I don't know how to talk to my teammates, or I am angry or insecure or sensitive. Tell me what the real problem is.

"Because every time I say something, I go about my business, and when I say something, House of Highlights and Bleacher Report [mash] it all up and y'all run with it, and as soon as I say something back, I'm the sensitive one. I mean, I know y'all trying to make me look crazy and discredit me and strip me of my credibility. But I see what you doing. But I'm going to still keep standing.

He completely misses the point to try to make his point.

It's how he goes about it and what he says that makes him look crazy. Not the "media". And the media does indeed suck about nearly everything and especially so in sports media. But this one isn't on them.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20815 on:** August 01, 2018, 02:46:36 AM »

Lakers are going back to Showtime:

ESPN is so shameless sometimes

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COULD KOBE MAKE A COMEBACK TO LAKERS?

Domonique Foxworth sees Kobe Bryant being a valuable teacher to young Lakers players if he made a comeback.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20816 on:** August 03, 2018, 12:26:31 PM »

Pelton win projections: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/24246576/projected-nba-win-totals-playoff-standings-all-30-teams-2018-19

East:
1. TOR (55-27), 2. BOS (53-29), 3. PHI (48-34), 4. IND (46-36), 5. MIL (45-37), 6. MIA (45-37), 7. WAS (44-38), 8. DET (39-43)
9. CHA (38-44), 10. BRK (37-45), 11. ORL (34-48), 12. CLE (31-51), 13. NYK (31-51), 14. CHI (28-54), 15. ATL (26-56)

West:
1. GSW (59-23), 2. UTA (53-29), 3. HOU (53-29), 4. DEN (51-31), 5. MIN (50-32), 6. OKC (47-35), 7. NOP (44-38), 8. POR (42-40)
9. LAL (41-41), 10. SAS (39-43), 11. LAC (36-46), 12. MEM (33-49), 13. DAL (32-50), 14. PHO (27-55). 15. SAC (25-57)

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #20817 on:** August 03, 2018, 02:13:41 PM »

Chicago and Oklahoma City are better than that. First reaction is :mjlol @ Toronto ahead of Boston but that might not even be wrong for the regular season. I think Houston looks about right, they’re definitely worse than they were a year ago, but still the second best team in the conference. Denver might win close to 50 but they’re losing in the first no matter who they pull.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #20818 on:** August 03, 2018, 04:16:20 PM »

Spurs were 47-35 last year without Kawhi and they add Derozan and they project to 39-43. That would surprise me.

I also think the Lakers can be better than 500. I think Phoenix can hit in the 30's in wins also even if its the low 30's.

benjipwns · « **Reply #20819 on:** August 07, 2018, 09:50:33 AM »

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Free-agent big man Greg Monroe has agreed to a one-year, $2.2 million contract with the Toronto Raptors, according to multiple reports.

Also Cavs getting LeBron replacement:

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The Cleveland Cavaliers are finalizing a trade to acquire Los Angeles Clippers forward Sam Dekker, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Sunday.

The two sides were working out the parameters of the exchange, which could include cash or future considerations, sources said. But Cleveland will not be trading a player back to the Clippers.

News:

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