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So bros any plans for the upcoming recession? I'm stocking up on pretzels and cheese dip. Dat sequestration
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I'm stocking up on Steam games to keep me nourished and entertained.
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Right wing radio host: That goddamn socialist Obama loves the rich too much!  :maf

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"Yes, seven out of the top ten richest people in congress happen to be Democrats. President Barack Obama is the one who got us into this crisis that we're in right now with these budget cuts as you just mentioned statistically and he's sitting there playing this rich vs. poor man card when he's the one that allowed the payroll tax to go up that takes away sixteen bags of groceries for an average working family right now in this country.

“So I look at the stats and say, look at Nancy Pelosi, she didn’t want to get a pay cut. In fact, she wanted a pay increase, even talking about lowering her salary right now is beneath the dignity of her job. So you tell me who actually is a rich person looking out for rich people. Republicans are looking out for average Americans.

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Repubicans are all over the map on the Sequester. The Sequester is Obama's fault, he invented it, but we want spending cuts too so we want credit for those, but we don't want all the bad parts to happen, but it's probably not gonna be that bad anyway so we want it to go ahead and happen, but if it is bad, you should definitely blame Obama, who is lying about how bad it's gonna be and he needs to stop campaigning and come back to Washington to negotiate over the Sequester, but we might not want to negotiate anyway because maybe we kinda want it to happen, but we're still mad that Obama invented it and it's all his fault.
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Repubicans are all over the map on the Sequester. The Sequester is Obama's fault, he invented it, but we want spending cuts too so we want credit for those, but we don't want all the bad parts to happen, but it's probably not gonna be that bad anyway so we want it to go ahead and happen, but if it is bad, you should definitely blame Obama, who is lying about how bad it's gonna be and he needs to stop campaigning and come back to Washington to negotiate over the Sequester, but we might not want to negotiate anyway because maybe we kinda want it to happen, but we're still mad that Obama invented it and it's all his fault.

Don't forget that Obama wants to increase spending like a Socialist

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Except when he's cutting spending because it's wrong kind of spending cuts. THERE'S A SMARTER WAY TO CUT SPENDING! (don't ask us what it is)
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Can something please happen to Scalia? I don't mean, like, DIE or anything, but just...go away. Can he be made to go away? I'm not a Constitutional law scholar, but it just seems like the kind of thing that should be possible somehow.
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nah pretty sure I want him to fucking die
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He would need to impeached.  His quote today was something you expect tohear tossed off at a tea party rally, and not from a supreme court justice.

Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?
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Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?

He uttered a sentence a few months ago and it was major news. That kind of tells you all you need to know, really.
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Thomas has basically had a moratorium for years now on asking questions.  Though at least in these politically charged cases the "questions" are mostly thinly-veiled arguments from justices whose votes are already decided.

If I had one wish to inflict on Scalia, it's that he would wake up realizing with perfect clarity that he's much less smart than the bullshit self-aggrandizing image he spent decades cultivating, and bereft of the ability to rationalize it or keep on fooling himself.

Conservatives trying to retcon the civil rights movement should be funny, but it always gets my jimmies super-rustled.

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He would need to impeached.  His quote today was something you expect tohear tossed off at a tea party rally, and not from a supreme court justice.

Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?

He told a joke in court earlier this year, breaking a years long silence.

Sotomayor was very taken aback by the comment apparently. It's quite the stunning admission I'd expect from Glen Beck, not a supreme justice
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For those unaware, this is what Scalia said:

“I don’t think there is anything to be gained by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act,” Scalia said during oral arguments in Shelby County v. Holder. “They are going to lose votes if they do not reenact the Voting Rights Act. Even the name of it is wonderful — the Voting Rights Act. Who is going to vote against that in the future?”

At issue was the constitutionality of Section 5 of the 1965 law, which requires state and local governments with a history of racial discrimination to pre-clear any changes to their voting laws with the Justice Department prior to enacting them.

Congress has renewed the law four times, most recently in 2006 for a period of 25 years. The margin of victory was 99-0 in the Senate and 390-33 in the House.

Scalia attributed the repeated renewal of Section 5 to a “perpetuation of racial entitlement.” He said, “Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes.”

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“This is not the kind of question you can leave to Congress,” he said.
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He does understand that this doesn't actually give any race or ethnicity extra rights, it just safeguards a universal benefit of citizenship in areas where it was historically abrogated?

It's not like black people got to bank that unused 2/5ths of a vote and then spent it to elect Obama.

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On one hand I can't get too down on the general direction of oral arguments and the tea leaf readings it produces; after all the ACA looked DOA in oral arguments, and most journalists totally ignored the signals Roberts was sending (I remember Brian Beutler seeing Roberts' path months before the ruling). But this time I'm less confident in anything other than a 5-4 curb stomp. Roberts has been fighting the VRA since the Reagan era, he's going to shoot this down.

Unless Kennedy changes course, which I haven't seen any evidence of, it's going to get struck down. This was a pretty fucking frivolous case too.
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Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?
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gubmint co-rupsion, dude
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Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?

If we keep protecting the rights of blacks to vote, they'll keep voting.  It's just like feeding wild animals!

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It's not like the right to vote is in the constitution like guns are, or anything!
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Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?

If we keep protecting the rights of blacks to vote, they'll keep voting.  It's just like feeding wild animals!

But that same right would be protecting whites in the future, hedging against black, socialist rule.  :babylawd
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The history books 100+ years from now are going to give Reagan a beating, I think.
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Somebody at Bloomberg is getting fired this week.
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lol, minorities :lol
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Somebody at Bloomberg is getting fired this week.

Shouldn't they fire a black person as well as a white person? #BalancedApproach #equality #tcot #ObamaAmerica
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t-minus 1 hour until SEQUESTMAGEDDON.

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oh shit I completely forgot about that

so is that shit actually happening?
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christ, it is.  fucking congress, assholes.
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oh shit I completely forgot about that

so is that shit actually happening?

Congess already skipped town without a deal being made. Of course, most people are ready to blame Republicans for anything bad resulting from the sequester, so I'm not sure how shooting down the last chance to avoid the sequester really helped them.
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RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity
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Can't they just, like, come back and kick the can more?

christ just get rid of the sequester, period.  no one fucking likes it.

Although I'm okay with decreased military spending
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RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity

if this were the fiscal cliff that would be true, yes. 

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Obama's reckless spending is now replaced by his reckless cutting. You can have it both ways.
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RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity

if this were the fiscal cliff that would be true, yes.

750k jobs lost will still have a pretty profound impact, though.

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The Senate bill was pointless either way cause it wouldn't have come to the floor in the House, no?  It was basically a symbolic bill from the Dems so they could show they were trying to solve the problem and point to a benchmark of what their version would look like.  Or did I miss something in negotiations?

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The Senate bill was pointless either way cause it wouldn't have come to the floor in the House, no?  It was basically a symbolic bill from the Dems so they could show they were trying to solve the problem and point to a benchmark of what their version would look like.  Or did I miss something in negotiations?

You're correct. It's just a hot potato blame game. Eventually something needs to be done because removing 750k jobs from an already weak economy is a recipe for recession. I heard Obama on the radio rhetorically asking wtf he's supposed to do when GOP leadership won't pass anything he proposes. Why not get McCain, Graham, and some other hawks from the senate and House in a room and come up with $82b in spending cuts and revenue to replace the sequester. It would pass the senate, and then use that to bludgeon Boehner with if he refuses to bring it to the floor.
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I think those Gang of X negotiations can only really work with the tacit endorsement of the parties.

Leading up to the fiscal cliff, IIRC, Boehner basically gave the Senate GOP a green light to reach their own deal, with the expectation that it would get a floor vote in the House (which he badgered his caucus into accepting).

If the House GOP leadership doesn't pass the responsibility for negotiating to the Senate, then the idea of cutting a side-deal gets way messier, for the same reason you pointed out it would be good for Obama.  Without an understanding in place that any negotiated solution would get seriously considered, the end result would just be a dead-end bill that only served as a political cudgel for Obama to use against Boehner.  Pretty much everyone involved (and excluded for that matter) would understand this.  Boehner would flip out on Mitch McConnell, who would let the rest of the caucus know the deal.


It's not strictly impossible that it could happen.  But you'd need at least five GOP Senators willing to break ranks in a very disruptive way, because of strong personal feelings about some aspect of the policy involved, or whatever.  I'm really, really, really skeptical that would happen in general, and also in particular with McCain (who seems to still hate That One) and Graham (who's got a South Carolina primary coming in a year and a half).

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In that scenario Boehner actively lobbies a small group of Republicans to vote with the Democrats.  For a bill that just passed the Senate without a single Republican vote, with no GOP input in the process.  Which raises taxes on the rich and has no cuts to social welfare programs.*

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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #286 on: March 02, 2013, 03:09:17 PM »
Thread title edited to reflect the current norm.
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #289 on: March 02, 2013, 08:34:31 PM »
His twitter feed is pretty awesome too:

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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #290 on: March 02, 2013, 09:28:03 PM »
Just saw on Krugman's blog that Josh Trevino's had to come clean about being paid off by the Malaysian government/ruling party to propagandize for them in the US media.

Not a huge name, but I remember when he wrote as Tacitus during the early, formative years of the political blogosphere, when people still linked across partisan lines and it wasn't as apparent that Glenn Reynolds had gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Trevino/Tacitus got a reputation one of the most Reasonable Conservatives who you could carry on a conversation with even if you disagreed, even though he'd do shit like posting pictures of Saddam's victims and telling people that's what they supported if they opposed the war.

Glad to see him get popped.


edit: Also he apparently delegated some work to Ben Domenech, who was the guy the WashPost hired to be its in-house conservative blogger before he got fired for a previous plagiarism scandal.  Tsk tsk.

edit 2: Apparently this story's been developing for a couple of years.  I blame Kevin Drum.  If he were still blogging as Calpundit I never woulda missed this.
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #291 on: March 02, 2013, 09:58:49 PM »
So I guess Maylasia's not that great after all?
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #292 on: March 02, 2013, 11:09:04 PM »
Surprised to hear that about Trevino. He was on Bill Maher's show a few weeks back and if you didn't already know who he was, you wouldn't even think he was a conservative.

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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #293 on: March 02, 2013, 11:21:52 PM »
Ghostwriting, another parallel between blogging and hip hop  :wow

*rushes to tweet this to Dave Weigel and hope for another RT*
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #294 on: March 02, 2013, 11:29:45 PM »
So I guess Maylasia's not that great after all?

What?  Some guy got paid over $100k/year to write biased opinion stuff on the web.  I do that for free!  They sound like awesome guys and I should get them my contact info.

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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #295 on: March 04, 2013, 02:11:43 PM »
The rematch you've all been waiting for, live taped tonight on Monday Night Smackdown:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/joe-scarborough-paul-krugman_n_2805439.html

Will Krugman punch Joe right in his stupid face? Tune in to find out!
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #296 on: March 04, 2013, 03:14:16 PM »
Fuck, that would be like me debating PD on milfs.  Someone is clearly out of their area of expertise in this endeavor.
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Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
« Reply #299 on: March 04, 2013, 06:23:44 PM »
Fuck, that would be like me debating PD on milfs.  Someone is clearly out of their area of expertise in this endeavor.

Krugman already admitting he sucked: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/urk-charlie-rose-edition/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
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