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I don't see how women complain about unfairness. They can make more prostituting and performing in porn than men.  >:( >:( >:(

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49417248&postcount=2576
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Can this trope actually vanish from the industry?

If this one is taken care of say tomorrow, wouldn't then probably a new one will take it's place to fill the void, then what?
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holy fuck that thread is 50 pages already. I can't even read it for lulz.

edit: ^^ haha

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holy fuck that thread is 50 pages already. I can't even read it for lulz.

edit: ^^ haha

Want me to at least point you in the direction of the makeup troll?

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POST THE MAKEUP POST

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I'm not trying to say this destroys her credibility or anything, but I found it amusing to see her discuss sexist tropes or relegations women have had on them while she was wearing a ton of make up. Did anybody else notice this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49405407&postcount=2238


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I've always thought make up was a stupid thing. I'm sure she can simply prefer to wear make up, and that's fine. But there is NO way she can try and say "What, a woman like myself can just happen to like wearing make up" without anybody else being able to say that any particular game using a trope exists for it's own reason and without any social pressure causing it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49405674&postcount=2242


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It's a free market. She said she'd like some money to make this, and she got a lot of money for it. The cynical part of me says she's probably rolling in most of the dough given to her. It annoys me at some level, but I can't really blame her for others throwing money at her. One thing that bugs me is that she probably got more money because she is a woman that isn't that bad looking. Fact of the matter is, looks do matter with selling. If she was an ugly woman or a man, she would have gotten less donations. It only bugs me because she is attempting to make women not be about their sexual nature. Then again, I guess I can't blame her for how she looks.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49406013&postcount=2250


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She's wearing a lot of make up though. Lipstick, mascara, blush, powder, eyebrows, etc. She probably looks very different without make up. And a lot of that make up serves to make her prettier or more "sexual". All I'm saying is that I find it odd for her to want to make her appearance more attractive or sexualized. I would think somebody like her would want things like make up to not be expected from women. Hell, I wish women weren't expected to wear make up. If her argument for using it is that she is expected to wear it or that her audience would prefer she wear it, then she's fallen into the exact same trap game companies fall in to when they use these tropes she is complaining about.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49406301&postcount=2254


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Sure, you probably don't want some gross blemishes to show. Men often do this in video also. But that is different from getting "dolled up".

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49406994&postcount=2269


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I'm not attacking her. And I even said that it would be perfectly fine for her to say that she happens to like to wear make up. That's fine. Her body, her choice and whatnot. But my point is that if she's going to say that, then why Nintendo say that Mario just happens to save Peach because they thought it was a cute story idea. Why does she get to assume all sorts of sexual or weakness ideas about Mario just because it follows an old trope? How is it different from somebody saying she is a subject of a trope that requires women to look good for men?

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Well I'd say there is a very distinct difference between wearing make up that is similar color to your natural skin tone to hide blemishes and wearing colored blush, lipstick, mascara, and using powder to make your overall skin color look different. Lets not pretend there isn't a difference between the two. You telling me both of these just seem like somebody wearing make up with no difference in degree or motive for wearing the make up?

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What's your point? Are only works of fiction open for criticism? I'd argue that the expectancy for women to use make up to be a real issue that I completely back feminists on. I hate the idea that primarily women are brought up to feel that their natural appearance is inadequate, and that they must supplement their appearance with make up. It's a huge waste of time and money on women. There is no arguing that make up puts women in a more sexualized role that they are expected to fill.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49407804&postcount=2282


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100% agree with you. And Nintendo is a company with autonomy and can do whatever it wants with their games as long as it is not directly harming others. Making a video game where Mario saves Peach falls under that. Nintendo can claim Mario saves Peach in every game because they happen to like that and think it is cute and has nothing to do with male power fantasies or that Peach should be weak because she is a woman. And she is free to say she likes make up. Good for her and good for Nintendo.

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I'm not really criticizing her for it. I just find it odd. I'm just saying that since she has a very passionate desire for equality in women rights and representation, I would expect her to hate the concept of make up. I hate the concept of make up. If she happens to like it, then she's free to do what she wants. It just sticks out to me as a strange choice is all. Then again, I find everybody that wears make up to be choosing a strange choice. I imagine most women grow up with the expectation that "Women wear make up, they just do". I'd like for that to change.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49408599&postcount=2310


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You aren't really making any points here. You're just strapping a bunch of my posts and loosely trying to assume something here. Yes, I think she got more money because she is a fairly attractive woman. What's wrong with that? I think if you sell your idea that largely has to do with you talking about a subject, a fairly attractive woman is likely to have more success than an ugly woman or a man if we assume all 3 are equally qualified and that the subject isn't something that people would unfairly assume only men can speak on with knowledge. If anything, the only grudge I have against her is that I kinda wish I could do the same sort of thing. I've always been a little jealous that women can purposefully or even accidentally get their way due to their sexual appeal. It's not their fault that men are stupid around women a lot of the time.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49408884&postcount=2317


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I'd agree with you if I was interrupting some group discussion on the topic and said "Hey guys, lets stop talking about her points and views. I'd rather we just talk about why she's wearing make up." I'm not. This is an asynchronous conversation that is free to flow. I can't interrupt the conversation any more than people choose to respond to me. I just made a small observation that I thought was kind of funny. If people disagree, that's fine. I'll gladly express my reasons why. But if people move on to more important points, and don't really give my little quip much attention, that is fine too.

And my point about the hypocrisy isn't meant to completely invalidate her argument. If anything, if she were reading this, maybe it would just make her think "maybe not every case of my perceived instance of sexism isn't actually sexism in the creators eyes, but merely coincidence?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49409208&postcount=2322


Took 'em that long to get rid of 'em.

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520593

faux rage in that thread, and I just find myself not giving a fuck

The name's pretty embarrassing, as are the apologetics from DC fans explaining how it was always intended to be a respectful name, which is clearly BS especially if you're familiar with the history of the team under George Preston Marshall.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 04:17:51 AM by Mandark »

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Ahahahahahahaha

Expressing femininity does NOT equate to LOL GENDER ROLES! I met a man who wears makeup just tonight! People wear makeup because they like how it looks on them. Notice how men go batshit about makeup and how it "represents gender role idea that women are sexual objects" without one ounce of thinking about WHY women wear makeup.

Just another dude with a severe case of femmephobia. Fuck him.

http://skepchick.org/2011/12/guyliner-murses-bromance-and-femmephobia/

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just watched the video and she's barely got any makeup on and aside from her eyeshadow, she's got a very natural look.

sigh.

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just watched the video and she's barely got any makeup on and aside from her eyeshadow, she's got a very natural look.

sigh.

Some people are just looking for reasons to sperg out about irrelevant shit. That's what most of that thread is.

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My first thought is that they're probably a vocal, anti-social minority. Most gamers go to forums probably to either have more social contact or to just find people with similar interests that they can't find in real life (most likely a combination of both). You don't go to a forum to just start riling shit up about how somebody is hypocritical because they painted their face up.

I get people who are upset with any use of make-up/cosmetic products but throwing it into that thread is like shitting into the fondue fountain.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 04:47:04 AM by am nintenho »

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A good number of the people trying to out-outrage each other (on any sides) are really fighting with each other to become the most outraged and king (gasp!) QUEEN of their side instead of convincing any fence sitters or moderating the views of others.

The idea that these are tropes to be aware of isn't enough. Even just a debate that it's normal in media and will change with society vs. something to try and intentionally subvert within the works isn't enough.

And there's probably too many people who won't even notice whether or not games are or are not subverting the tropes. Especially if they aren't games that interest them. GAF is full of threads everyday with stuff like "WHY IS EVERYTHING A FPS?"or "WHAT HAPPENED TO 2D PLATFORMERS?!?" If they can't find stuff that blatant they certainly won't catch anything more subtle.

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All I ask is that people be on the vanguard of progressivism, whatever that means in their time.
But even as "we" wish games to be the vanguard of art and driver of social progressivity its place does need to be kept in mind. It's debatable but I think despite what us "hardcore" might think, the basic interface of games through which the masses will interact with them isn't entirely established and standardized. To expect games to be incredibly socially conscious is something that not even movies or TV can do with their headstart and broad adoption. One of the most popular TV shows is The Big Bang Theory and it shows incredible bigotry against the intelligentally-abled. Give games their time.

And best of all in this age, it's easier than ever for "non-professionals" to actually fucking do something about it. Make your own sweet-ass socially aware game.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 04:49:14 AM by benjipwns »
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I'm not even outraged at the games, it's just an embarrassing fact that there is no discussion about the actual topic to be had as much as there is other dumb shit to apparently say.

It's just comical when gaffers pretend their board is somehow above 4chan or gamefaqs.
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I wasn't really directing that at anybody, just got a good rant going. I don't know what there is to fight over, we can't create games of all kinds? Especially these days?

We don't need to force Japan to make games where we play girls and "enthusiastically love" thousand year old demons that just look like little boys. We can make them ourselves.  :american
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I wasn't really directing that at anybody, just got a good rant going. I don't know what there is to fight over, we can't create games of all kinds? Especially these days?

We don't need to force Japan to make games where we play girls and "enthusiastically love" thousand year old demons that just look like little boys. We can make them ourselves.  :american

Hah. There's nothing to fight over. It's just a youtube series about how female characters blow ass because they do. But of course there's always something to fight about with nerds who like the status quo or don't like her particular shade of eyeshadow.

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Noticed Oscar and others were already discussing this broader topic in the Random Gaming thread so I have redirected my ignorant and incoherent ramblings there.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49417416&postcount=2585
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No worries, there are apparently ten more tropes at least that developers can lean on in their crusade against women.
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4 pages in one day  :shaq2
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Good lord at that Washington Redskins thread. Those are the kind of hyper liberals who make people annoyed with liberalism. On the very first page, there's already stuff that rivals the worst of TransGAF

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Not really too interested in the series but someone let me know if Alis ever gets mentioned, I'll definitely watch that one...
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I love people trying to straddle the line of being in on the joke/dismissive of van cruncheon/drinky when the laugh isn't apparent.


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Jesus christ those IHaveCandy quotes :-\ I'm so glad I didn't bother reading the thread after the first few pages. I don't want to know how ridiculous it gets when more videos are released.

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Hey discussion of the video is on the front page of /r/mensrights too.

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Hey discussion of the video is on the front page of /r/mensrights too.

Of course. No one is more victimized than them so they'd take issue with the youtubes.

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Of course. No one is more victimized than them so they'd take issue with the youtubes.

I couldn't hear you over your female privilege.

That subreddit is weird. I'm reading a thread that featured a video of a woman choking out a man who had previously attacked her and most of the posts seem like some revenge fantasy where they wish they were there so they had an excuse to punch her or kick her in the face.

So to sum up the internet. It's full of people who wish there weren't societal repercussions for punching women or saying the n-word. (Edit originally had the n word but it gets auto editted lol)

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Hey discussion of the video is on the front page of /r/mensrights too.

I wonder how many "men's rights" people were at one time just normal, regular guys who stumble upon websites like reddit, Tom Leykis, or PUA blogs like Roissy ("the Heartiste")... then read all these horror stories about shitty people and decide "all women are like this, fuck dem bitches". I have a friend who refuses to get married/have kids because of the shit he hears on Tom Leykis.

Yeah there are plenty of scummy women (and men!) out there, but you can't paint everyone with a single brush.
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He sounds like a catch anyway.

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Was discussing briefly with Cormacaroni the absolute lack of any good female characters in video games - with the two major categories being "absolute horror show" or "hangs out with Gordon Freeman"

Best (only?) realistic non-suck female characters I could come up with are the Longest Journey characters :  Zoe Castillo , April, Fiona and Mickey, etc etc

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I wonder how many "men's rights" people were at one time just normal, regular guys who stumble upon websites like reddit, Tom Leykis, or PUA blogs like Roissy ("the Heartiste")... then read all these horror stories about shitty people and decide "all women are like this, fuck dem bitches". I have a friend who refuses to get married/have kids because of the shit he hears on Tom Leykis.

Yeah there are plenty of scummy women (and men!) out there, but you can't paint everyone with a single brush.

From reddit it seems like people who were teased by girls in adolescence and dads that lost custody battles.

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He sounds like a catch anyway.

32 years old, no job, slightly overweight, sits at home all day and plays SF4... you tell me!

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Was discussing briefly with Cormacaroni the absolute lack of any good female characters in video games - with the two major categories being "absolute horror show" or "hangs out with Gordon Freeman"

Best (only?) realistic non-suck female characters I could come up with are the Longest Journey characters :  Zoe Castillo , April, Fiona and Mickey, etc etc

There are quite a few RPG females I like.. Rita from TOV, Leanne from RoF, and both Alis/Alys from the PS series in particular.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2013, 03:29:58 PM by tiesto »
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He sounds like a catch anyway.

32 years old, no job, slightly overweight, sits at home all day and plays SF4... you tell me!

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is actually in a relationship with a 47 year old divorcee with 3 kids




i thought we weren't gonna reveal that we know each other irl

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She wasn't "realistic" and her boobs were hanging out but Morrigan from DA: Origins amused me.

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Female Voice 1 in Saints Row 3... obviously.

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Pathologic has good female characters! Nobody's gonna play it though, cus that game was purposefully made to be a shitty experience.

The Void (my avatar) has good female characters too, but they are all damsels in distress due to the nature of the game.

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Pathologic has good female characters! Nobody's gonna play it though, cus that game was purposefully made to be a shitty experience.

The Void (my avatar) has good female characters too, but they are all damsels in distress due to the nature of the game.

Plus the Babelfish English translation.

But I read the in depth analysis at RPS and a blog of people playing the Bachelor and Haruspex so I'm good.   :-[

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i remember that chick from PoP 2008 being entertaining but nobody else liked that shit :fbm

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The Devotress in Pathologic is great and also the most babelfishy. no one ever plays her. :'(

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i remember that chick from PoP 2008 being entertaining but nobody else liked that shit
I liked Prince of Persia. Elika, maybe not so much. She would not shut up about her dad and his poor life choices. Plus the bitching about her ex all the time, Ahri or something. Made him sound like the end of the world. And the environmental activism, I get I get it this fills a hole in your life and gives it a purpose.
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i remember that chick from PoP 2008 being entertaining but nobody else liked that shit
I liked Prince of Persia. Elika, maybe not so much. She would not shut up about her dad and his poor life choices. Plus the bitching about her ex all the time, Ahri or something. Made him sound like the end of the world. And the environmental activism, I get I get it this fills a hole in your life and gives it a purpose.
:lol doesnt surprise me. I loved the art in that game so much i pretty much let all of its many many faults kinda fall by the wayside. No regrets.

my only real bone to pick was fucking Nathan Drake guy playing the Prince

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75 pages over a single Youtube video.  Fucking GAF, I swear...
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i do disagree with anita on bayonetta. bayonetta is clearly a satire of the male pornographic gaze, as bayonetta herself is represented as anything but a victim. her only problematic component is the dominatrix visual fetishism that damages that satire, but it still works: despite the male gaze, bayonetta continues to both ignore and control it, utterly unvictimized by it at any point in the game. she is a flawed but worthy example of sexual empowerment, which is a component of feminism many self-titled feminists  botch entirely when they misconstrue any female sexual presentation as victimization.
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the problem with elika was how they excused her as magical. imagine the outcry if she had the same non-magical abilities as the player character, but was always just enough better to be constantly rescuing the player when he fucked up...


that would be an awesome troll game
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It's not fair, drinky. Why can't I make inflammatory posts on GAF without fearing a ban?

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Bayo is one of those things where she's a great character but still part of the overwhelming amount of sexualized characters so it's like FUCKIN DEVS START MAKING SOME FUCKING VARIETY.  :maf

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no disagreement there.
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wait, what is this thread with 75 pages in regards to a video?
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bayonetta the game still has some serious problems, like the sex-related torture finishers that ONLY the female angels receive, and which kinda demonstrates that any feminism inherent to bayonetta's character might be entirely accidental and ultimately an unintended artifact of the extremity of kamiya's sexual domination fetish... :-(
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wait, what is this thread with 75 pages in regards to a video?

Vid about female tropes in vidya. It got to several pages before it even dropped.


bayonetta the game still has some serious problems, like the sex-related torture finishers that ONLY the female angels receive, and which kinda demonstrates that any feminism inherent to bayonetta's character might be entirely accidental and ultimately an unintended artifact of the extremity of kamiya's sexual domination fetish... :-(

Probably but it's a decent example of a sexualized character not being inherently "bad" but becoming part of the "noise."
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oh okay

not going anywhere near that shit, plus I assume its in gaming which lol, haven't been there in months
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Dont worry, he'll pull an MGS2 on you and the sequel will actually have you playing as a dude wearing assless chaps, a leather vest and a gimp mask

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oh okay

not going anywhere near that shit, plus I assume its in gaming which lol, haven't been there in months

Oh it's a big batch of "gaming lol." Instead of actually discussing like Cruncheon and me are doing right now it's a bunch of straw men and tangential arguments about Anita.

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Dont worry, he'll pull an MGS2 on you and the sequel will actually have you playing as a dude wearing assless chaps, a leather vest and a gimp mask

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521367

I can't stand when people shit on Pittsburgh, just because of the old-timey reputation that its some shitty steel-town with nothing else.  Pittsburgh is one of the most prominent cities in America now, with amazing growth and a great cultural center.  Fuck, they're arranging a proposal for a 2023 Olympic games bid.
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Fuck, they're arranging a proposal for a 2023 Olympic games bid.
Competition shouldn't be too fierce.
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God I hate this thread.

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Fuck, they're arranging a proposal for a 2023 Olympic games bid.
Competition shouldn't be too fierce.

Oh four sure.  They're not at all ready for it, but in the next 20 years?  Absolutely.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521367

I can't stand when people shit on Pittsburgh, just because of the old-timey reputation that its some shitty steel-town with nothing else.  Pittsburgh is one of the most prominent cities in America now, with amazing growth and a great cultural center.  Fuck, they're arranging a proposal for a 2023 Olympic games bid.

Pittsburgh is pretty great, that's my dad's US hometown and the reason why he reps the Steelers hardcore. I've been meaning to go back there since last time I've been was '98 or so.
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Was discussing briefly with Cormacaroni the absolute lack of any good female characters in video games - with the two major categories being "absolute horror show" or "hangs out with Gordon Freeman"

Best (only?) realistic non-suck female characters I could come up with are the Longest Journey characters :  Zoe Castillo , April, Fiona and Mickey, etc etc

Samus Aran? Claire Redfield?