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Official MMO Thread
« on: January 05, 2014, 01:05:08 PM »
The old thread has been quarantined as a place for etiolate to continue posting his uninteresting private LiveJournal.

Please use this thread to talk about anything else in the entire world:

  • World of Warcraft
  • Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
  • The Secret World
  • Lord of the Rings Online
  • Star Wars: The Old Republic
  • EVE Online
  • Rift
  • The Elder Scrolls Online
  • Firefall
  • WildStar
  • Myst Online: Uru Live

If you post about Guild Wars 2 in this thread, I will cut you. Remember, NOBODY FUCKING CARES about Guild Wars 2.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 01:35:00 PM »
Dark Age of Camelot is an awesome game.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 08:19:55 PM »
What about Guild Wars 1?

Path of Exile is pretty good. Though maybe not really a MMO?

Installed 8-bit MMO a while back, probably should try that at some point.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2014, 08:24:11 PM »
was browsing through the older WoW thread and saw this gem
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37770.msg1442012#msg1442012  :lol

Browsing through the threads reminded me of how challenging Cata's heroics were initially, before the nerfs. The frustrating thing about WoW PvE design is that so many players are used to being coddled that even the slightest increase in difficulty results in them throwing a fit. If you started playing WoW during post-nerf Cata, you probably haven't done anything "hard" ever. You que for your dungeons, que for your raids, and quickly acquire decent gear. People basically level to 90 without ever learning not to stand in bad stuff, or to be mindful of aggro as a cloth wearing dps, or how to CC. So when Blizzard decided to re-introduce all those concepts in early Cata, people shell shocked. And thus the nerfs arrived.

It seems like it would make more sense to ramp up difficulty as players progress through the game. Right now, someone can breeze through the early levels without much of any challenge. Whereas in vanilla I remember learning very early that if you played stupid, you died. IE Deadmines and Gnomeregan.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2014, 08:33:43 PM »
what about tera

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2014, 08:36:03 PM »
This thread is going to die.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2014, 10:00:18 PM »
Does PSO2 count as a MMO? Cause I could go on for a long time about that fucking game. The Lilipa Tower Defense EQ is kickin' rad times.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 10:50:26 PM »
Is there a worthwhile iOS mmo yet?

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 11:42:46 PM »
Is there a worthwhile iOS mmo yet?

No :jawalrus
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 11:59:52 PM »
been playing a bunch of star trek online. if you're not a trek fan you probably won't be down but it's a good game. very little grind, AC style crew mission system for xp, space and ground combat, and shockingly little required real money transactions required.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 12:40:40 AM »
Neverwinter is fun if you play with friends.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 02:58:00 AM »
Wish that Manabyte would come back.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 07:34:53 AM »
EQN is going to be 100% shit.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 12:05:59 PM »
Why? Looks great to me.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 01:35:39 PM »
FFXI sure is good still.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2014, 02:08:31 PM »
I have been playing a shameful (any) amount of LoTRO and either I've become a god or they've really scaled back the difficulty in this game.  I'm playing a hunter and i've hit lvl 47 w/ less than 60 hours of gaming.  I've found that I can just run certain instances and get 1/3rd of my required level XP from one run which is nearly infinitely repeatable as the instances scale.  Also you don't have to loot monsters or visit trainers.  The game now auto loots and you now automatically get skills (like in Conan), you also now get XP from crafting.

I'm already in areas I have never visited because I'd always get bored and stop playing the game, so I guess the chances have been successful.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2014, 03:12:21 PM »
The only MMO I have ever truly enjoyed was Ragnarok Online on a hacked server when I was like 14

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2014, 03:30:56 PM »
I have been playing a shameful (any) amount of LoTRO and either I've become a god or they've really scaled back the difficulty in this game.  I'm playing a hunter and i've hit lvl 47 w/ less than 60 hours of gaming.  I've found that I can just run certain instances and get 1/3rd of my required level XP from one run which is nearly infinitely repeatable as the instances scale.  Also you don't have to loot monsters or visit trainers.  The game now auto loots and you now automatically get skills (like in Conan), you also now get XP from crafting.

I'm already in areas I have never visited because I'd always get bored and stop playing the game, so I guess the chances have been successful.

now that it's F2P I was thinking of checking it out again... do you give 'em any money at all?
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2014, 03:56:46 PM »
I do not.  I have had an account for 5 years though (was playing when it was sub based) so when I signed on I had thousands of points sitting in my account I'd accrued through having an account and purchasing expansions back in the day.  I have spent $0 though I have used the points which were sitting in my account.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2014, 01:53:58 AM »
Aion is going "Truly free to play".  No strings attached.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2014, 02:18:38 AM »
god dammit ff11 is still sub-based. i want to play that trash
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2014, 05:39:17 PM »
Got a beta invite for the Elder Scrolls, anyone else in it?

Prob going to download it this week and give it a go.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2014, 11:42:21 PM »
Prot warrior :rejoice

Ah the good old days. I remember pally and druid tanks were basically easy mode, whereas a prot warrior had to work for his threat. No handouts, no welfare, just blood n sweat.

btw anyone heard of CoreCraft?
https://www.worldofcorecraft.com/

If it works/isn't buggy as fuck I might give it a try for old times sake.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2014, 11:34:36 AM »
Got a beta invite for the Elder Scrolls, anyone else in it?

Prob going to download it this week and give it a go.

Played it for like 5 minutes last beta. Not planning to play anymore.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2014, 11:36:00 AM »
Is there a worthwhile iOS mmo yet?

Worhtwhile? Not really. But you can play Order & Chaos from Gameloft for free. It's still getting updates.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2014, 11:49:25 AM »
Got a beta invite for the Elder Scrolls, anyone else in it?

Prob going to download it this week and give it a go.

Played it for like 5 minutes last beta. Not planning to play anymore.

ouch, that bad?
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 12:41:21 PM »
Got a beta invite for the Elder Scrolls, anyone else in it?

Prob going to download it this week and give it a go.

Played it for like 5 minutes last beta. Not planning to play anymore.

That bad? I was about to boot up my laptop.

Welcome back btw :)

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 01:45:53 PM »
Looks like this thread gets Guild Wars 2 hotness!



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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 02:37:27 PM »
Looks like this thread gets Guild Wars 2 hotness!

No it fucking doesn't. The first page of this thread has been the first time I've been able to read about MMOs in months. If you feel the need to write about Guild Wars 2, either start your own thread or go to tumblr.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2014, 02:39:47 PM »
Is Treesong a closeted GW2 fan like Manabyte?
:ohhh
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2014, 02:41:29 PM »
Is Treesong a closeted GW2 fan like Manabyte?
:ohhh

I don't hate Guild Wars 2, honest. I just hate the way etiolate constantly posts about it when nobody else cares. He crits the thread with non-stop walls of text. He's like a viral marketer that just can't get his audience sick.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2014, 03:39:07 PM »
That's fucking stupid. Nobody cares about the MMOs posted in here but the people posting about them. I never stopped anyone from discussing MMOs. You guys just don't do it and get mad at me for discussing the games I play.

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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2014, 03:45:06 PM »
That's fucking stupid. Nobody cares about the MMOs posted in here but the people posting about them. I never stopped anyone from discussing MMOs. You guys just don't do it and get mad at me for discussing the games I play.

More people care about shitty Elder Scrolls Online than GW2.
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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2014, 03:54:39 PM »
I really dont care that etiolate posts that gw stuff but i reserve the right to say gw is crap errrtime

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2014, 04:22:40 PM »
The truth is that most would rather just try to troll me than talk about MMOs. I actually play/talk about MMOs. No need to be butthurt about it.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2014, 05:09:00 PM »
If he / Guild Wars 2 annoys you so much why don't you slap him on ignore and keep it moving?

This is The Bore. You either shame a man into changing his behavior or shame him into digital suicide. Ignoring is not an option.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2014, 12:39:10 AM »
been playing a bunch of star trek online. if you're not a trek fan you probably won't be down but it's a good game. very little grind, AC style crew mission system for xp, space and ground combat, and shockingly little required real money transactions required.

:hmm

I'm curious enough to bite, but fear for having my life sucked away by my compulsive tendencies. Also afraid that I'd spend a lot of time trying to get Counsellor Troi out of her dress.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2014, 12:58:23 AM »
You could make yourself your own Sexy Counsellor Troi and offer to strip for money. After awhile, you may be able to get onto their ship and work yourself up the ranks before revealing yourself. Name her Counseller Troi-Dong Horse
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2014, 03:07:47 AM »
You could make yourself your own Sexy Counsellor Troi and offer to strip for money. After awhile, you may be able to get onto their ship and work yourself up the ranks before revealing yourself. Name her Counseller Troi-Dong Horse

Um. I may or may not do that. I mean, I'll do that, but I'll deny it during my senate bid.

By the way, start a new thread for your GW2 fapping. I actually enjoy reading your posts, and seeing all those graphics. I only understand about 20% of it when you speak technical details about gameplay (jargon) but I appreciate your unabashed enjoyment of it.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2014, 06:56:04 AM »
When there's news in regards to GW2, I'll just put it here. IDGAF

I could post about WvWvW, but I took a short break from Commanding. (Basically, Raid Leading for massive scale PVP)

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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2014, 10:48:05 AM »
Sounds like EQ Next Landmark Beta will start at the end of this month:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1unhw1/philosophy/

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We're in the middle of developing Everquest Next Landmark (on schedule right now for end of this month).

SOE recently lost some of their senior programmers to Molten, so curious what's going on with the core EQN.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2014, 03:41:21 PM »
god dammit ff11 is still sub-based. i want to play that trash

If you try it out, play on sylph and find me.  There's a big thread on gaf in the community section with links to relevant info etc.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2014, 06:11:27 PM »
Am I the only person hyped about EQ Next? It looks like it could force me to return to mmos.
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« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2014, 06:12:12 PM »
Am I the only person hyped about EQ Next? It looks like it could force me to return to mmos.

:snoop
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2014, 06:29:02 PM »
I'm interested in EQN. I plan to play it.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2014, 08:01:13 PM »
The Ruzbeh rule remains true. The Konex of MMOs.

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« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2014, 11:55:22 PM »

chills every time :lawd

one day WoW will go f2p and they'll merge servers...and I'll return. even if it's just to ride around giving gold to low level folks.
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2014, 12:22:39 AM »
Why? Looks great to me.

It doesn't feel like a "real" game. It feels like a reactionary effort by a company who saw that the traditional "rip off WoW as much as humanly possible and make people pay monthly" model hasn't been working as of late, so they went and ripped off the next biggest thing..Minecraft.

I guess I have more faith in EQN than WildStar or ESO but the difference is only a matter of really shit and slightly less shit, it's shit all the same :kobeyuck

Yup.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2014, 12:48:03 AM »
Yeah, I'm pretty sure my GW2 discussion is miles ahead of what the rest of the forum has contributed.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2014, 01:27:13 AM »
We can also discuss broader topics in which any mmo experience is relevant. For instance..

Having retired from mmos, I haven't dealt with this issue in awhile but I'd love to get folks views on guild politics. I was lucky to join a few very good guilds, but even the best tended to face some ugly problems at one point or another. Whether it was the tension between the "first group" raiders and those trying get in said group, or arguments over raid times, I rarely remember a month that didn't have some drama.

Did you just ignore the drama and use your guild as a hub - basically a spot to raid for a couple hours and sign out until next time? Did you try to bring folks together, solve issues, etc? Something else? Personally I handled it a variety of ways. I remember the biggest problem in the guilds I joined was indeed the "first group" drama. Our main raiding group would be our 10 best player, normally. But while it tended to be obvious who the best tanks and healers were, dps was often rather interchangable in my view. Sure every group wanted a hunter and whichever shaman spec was OP at the time, but overall I could definitely see why a dps who was left out might feel like he was screwed over. Basically it became a buddy system: if you had been in the guild longer, were a consistent contributor etc you were in. The new guy was left out.

I remember trying to put together a solid second group for those left out, even offering to tank for that group instead of the main one (which pissed our guild leader off to no end). Basically my view was that if you want a healthy guild, folks need to feel appreciated and a part of progression. No one wants to be stuck in a scrub group that can't clear easy content. Unfortunately the guild leader disagreed, I wasn't able to consistently help the second group, and eventually the tension splinted the guild for good. To this day the thought just annoys me. Having two solid 10 man groups would have been VERY beneficial, and would have helped us become a more attractive guild.

 
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2014, 01:37:15 AM »
Yeah, I'm pretty sure my GW2 discussion is miles ahead of what the rest of the forum has contributed.

And yet... NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2014, 03:16:34 AM »
I was hyped for EQnext, but after the reveal I lost most interest due to the art direction and disjointed feel it gives me.

EQ should have stuck to its roots and be realistic in its art design, make a realistic sandbox mmo. Not a cartoony minecraft wow hybrid.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2014, 03:42:37 AM »
MMO's are played out now, but they were genuine great experiences a while ago.

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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2014, 03:54:35 AM »
I was hyped for EQnext, but after the reveal I lost most interest due to the art direction and disjointed feel it gives me.

EQ should have stuck to its roots and be realistic in its art design, make a realistic sandbox mmo. Not a cartoony minecraft wow hybrid.

EQ is the only MMO which really nailed that classic western fantasy setting. I was hoping for more of that and some slower paced, more tactical combat system mixed with modern game design (wrt leveling speed, being able to quickly jump in and do things, etc). I wanted Keith Parkinson's art come to life, but instead we get this faux-world of minecraft shit...  :-\

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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2014, 04:06:01 AM »
Yeah I was waiting for that setting and that artwork too, this totally misses the spot.

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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2014, 05:49:47 AM »
Agree, we should make a combined Nintendo/MMO/Baha men thread for all stuff not relevant anymore.

Maybe MMO should get a pass though because they have been influential in this millenium.
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2014, 06:52:15 AM »
Bad times indicator:

-someone described Titanfall as an FPS moba  :-\
-paying for Alpha stage games on Steam
-microtransactions in GT6 and Forza


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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2014, 07:04:47 AM »
MMOs are very popular right now. There's more healthy MMOs now in the West than there ever has been, and they are actually growing and diversifying in focus, style and gameplay choices. Oddly, it's when MMOs were stagnant and dominated by one game that people here seem to think the genre was healthy. (Hint: A game was healthy. The genre wasn't and nobody realized it yet. )

We can also discuss broader topics in which any mmo experience is relevant. For instance..

Having retired from mmos, I haven't dealt with this issue in awhile but I'd love to get folks views on guild politics. I was lucky to join a few very good guilds, but even the best tended to face some ugly problems at one point or another. Whether it was the tension between the "first group" raiders and those trying get in said group, or arguments over raid times, I rarely remember a month that didn't have some drama.

Did you just ignore the drama and use your guild as a hub - basically a spot to raid for a couple hours and sign out until next time? Did you try to bring folks together, solve issues, etc? Something else? Personally I handled it a variety of ways. I remember the biggest problem in the guilds I joined was indeed the "first group" drama. Our main raiding group would be our 10 best player, normally. But while it tended to be obvious who the best tanks and healers were, dps was often rather interchangable in my view. Sure every group wanted a hunter and whichever shaman spec was OP at the time, but overall I could definitely see why a dps who was left out might feel like he was screwed over. Basically it became a buddy system: if you had been in the guild longer, were a consistent contributor etc you were in. The new guy was left out.

I remember trying to put together a solid second group for those left out, even offering to tank for that group instead of the main one (which pissed our guild leader off to no end). Basically my view was that if you want a healthy guild, folks need to feel appreciated and a part of progression. No one wants to be stuck in a scrub group that can't clear easy content. Unfortunately the guild leader disagreed, I wasn't able to consistently help the second group, and eventually the tension splinted the guild for good. To this day the thought just annoys me. Having two solid 10 man groups would have been VERY beneficial, and would have helped us become a more attractive guild.

 

I've been in super serious raiding guilds, super serious pvp guilds, casual guilds, real life and friends guilds, and mostly non-interactive leveling guilds. Drama or inactivity kills most guilds. It's not failing at a raid or losing a match. It's interpersonal bullshit.

In WoW, I played on the same server as PD. Our first guiild was born of thebore and was just bore members. Everyone but PD and myself quit playing. I joined another guild with a handful of players that I had been doing dungeons with. I was a druid, so I would fill in tanking or healing or dps. (Back when you could actually be a hybrid.) I also got to know others on the server by tanking or healing for them. When my second guild started to die, I kept being an on-call healer for others who had moved into raiding. When I hit 80, I started getting recruited by the friends who had been dungeoning with me as we all leveled up. Most of the server had been on the server for as long as we had. (Ravenholdt was a roughly new server at the time we joined.) So the community was roughly tight. I wanted to try raiding because I had heard so much about it. Eventually, I went with this guy Gundam's guild because his guild had the least amount of asinine rules. They said they were a friendly raiding guild of in-game friends. That's what convinced me. And it was the best choice to make. Eventually, we became the top raiding guild for Alliance on the server. I feel our social success is what lead to our raiding success. Other guilds  had drama and blew up. We would take on people we knew and kept growing. What killed the guild was people taking a break and hitting a wall with recruitment.

After I took my own break and those wow-pals transferred off the server, I made my own guild, moved all my characters to it and begun anew on a Shaman. As I had been one of the best healers on the server, I aimed to be the best DPS. I eventually became the best DPS Shaman, but I kept to my own guild. I had former guildmates from the previous guilds in it, and the only rule of the guild was "No Drama. No expectations, No fights." It was an odd guild, featuring some of the top raiders, and yet people who never raided. It was a safe haven, and I kept it up through returning to raiding. Eventually, a handful of us created a PUG group that was clearing Zul Aman faster than their individual raiding guilds were. Again, our success relied on no stupid DKP, trust in each other, and friendliness. We liked each other and we played well. Both us and the top Ally raiding guild were trying to get the first Bear achieve for Alliance on our server. It was the top raiding guild vs Heroic Pug (as we called ourselves). This eventually lead to drama, as we had people from that guild in our group and each guild got mad that we were outpacing their progress. It was decided that we were going to join my guild and raid underneath its banner. Unfortunately, I had to stop playing and move to a place with no internet. So they made a new guild and I joined them months later. They had become top dog, which was pretty cool.

In the end, drama killed them. Girls flirting, nonsense, egos, etc. It got too big. After that, I never bothered with another raiding guild in any serious manner. I kept to non-descript leveling guilds. I did the same with Rift when I started playing that game.

Drama killed all my pvp guilds. We were in contention for the korean GvG tournament when we decided the frankenstein guild of PVPers we created in my GuildWars guild actually hated most of each other. My friends in GW1 pvp were filled with assholes, but the New Yorker sort of asshole I could tolerate. Others could not. It didn't work. I left the game, having contributed major additions to the game's meta (and never getting credit cuz I don't advertise what I run), I left to join some of the others in WoW. My first take with WoW did not work and I had quit MMOs for awhile.

When I returned to Guild Wars 1, I joined a friendly, casual and helpful guild. I am still a member of their GW2 incarnation. They're good people and an ideal guild. They help each other, don't have stupid rules and do stuff together. They succeed at the social level and so they have existed for years and across two games.

The GAF GW2 guild may be one of the best guilds I've been in. No stupid rules, no drama, and weekly events. The only rules are about social conduct. No bigotry or cruelty. It is also a huge guild that has avoided all the pitfalls of large guilds. There are 475 current members. There's 30-50 people logging in each day.  Every other month, there's a culling to make room for new or returning members. If you haven't played for  couple months, you get removed. If you return, just message an officer and you're back in.  When we do Guild Missions and have new members that have never been to the part of the world where the Mission is, we walk them through the quickest path there. We don't ditch them for convenience or tell them they should already know where to go. We help and *gasp* it works better than being a dick. Similar to [PINK], the GW1 guild, and to my own private guild in WoW, it succeed at the social level and thus succeeds at the game level. We have casual players. We have serious dungeon masters. We have top spvp players. We have WvWvW commanders. We have PVE commanders. We have people go play Starbound or Borderlands or FF14 and we don't yell at them.

So now when I look at a guild, I look for particular warning signs:

-How the guild members treat others in the game outside of the guild.
-Do they have a long list of rules? Are there a lot of uptight rules? Stupid rules? Do they have DKP rules? Do their rules show that they don't trust each other?
-Is there a long application to join the guild? A game shouldn't remind you of a job application. Any guild that reminds me of filling out a job app is  instantly nixed.
-Do they have families in the guild? If yes, then GOOD.
-Do they have people dating within the guild? If yes, then BAD.
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2014, 09:57:44 AM »
I think it's time to officially ban GW2 from The Bore.

NC Soft, as PlayNC, is one of the companies making ContentID claims against YouTube reviews. Angry Joe gave GW2 a 10/10 and now NC Soft has claimed his review content and rejected his disputes:
https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/421631687764627456
https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/421630568321646592
https://twitter.com/AngryJoeShow/status/421630045824630784
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Re: Double Official MMO Thread of News, Information, and NO GUILD WARS 2
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2014, 10:26:13 AM »
The dumbest thing about the dispute process (besides the fact that anyone with the right account priviledges can claim anything they like) is that the dispute goes to the guys that filed it. I'm preeety sure reviews are covered under fair use, but Joe would have to take this all the way through Youtube's process to basically threaten to take them to court over it.