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Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
« Reply #120 on: February 24, 2014, 07:47:00 PM »
Ukraine's Parliament agreed to hold elections in May during the same vote to boot out Yanukovych.
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Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
« Reply #121 on: February 24, 2014, 07:56:07 PM »
Hopefully he wins a commanding mandate in the first round that properly expresses the trust that the people have in him and his actions to stamp out these troublemakers.
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Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2014, 12:06:57 PM »
Some weird post-modern occupation shit going on.
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Re: Maduro reads Broseidon posts: International Politics Thread
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2014, 12:57:15 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/technology/british-spies-said-to-have-intercepted-yahoo-webcam-images.html?hpw&rref=technology&_r=0

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Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
« Reply #126 on: March 01, 2014, 12:01:41 AM »
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« Reply #127 on: March 01, 2014, 12:17:13 AM »
I remember one of the earliest warning signs with Palin was the interview where she said she favored NATO membership for Georgia and the Ukraine, when I think the McCain campaign itself didn't go that far, and when the implication was committing the US to possible military action against Russia down the line.  It was also the first time we went through her fans defending her against an elitist, "gotcha" news media.

Wonder how an actual McCain administration would have responded to the shit in Georgia, Libya, Syria, Egypt, the Ukraine, Iran.  Pretty sure I'm glad it's a hypothetical.

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Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
« Reply #128 on: March 01, 2014, 12:46:17 AM »
Wonder how an actual McCain administration would have responded to the shit in Georgia, Libya, Syria, Egypt, the Ukraine, Iran.  Pretty sure I'm glad it's a hypothetical.

If McCain's rhetoric is anything to go by, we'd already have troops deployed in all six of those countries by now.
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Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
« Reply #129 on: March 01, 2014, 12:57:20 AM »
Thank god for Obama. I prefer a president who handles global matters like he's playing a western RPG, constantly pausing, sometimes doing nothing. Much better than a McCain administration, which would look like a modern C&C match: ugly and ineffective.
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Re: GCHQ watches Brits fap : International Politics Thread
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2014, 01:05:57 AM »
Videogame representation of the McCain administration on foreign policy:

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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2014, 08:59:40 AM »
Well if you want to make mmo references during a gaming discussion that's ok, no one is judging.
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« Reply #132 on: March 01, 2014, 09:19:42 AM »
Well if you want to make mmo references during a gaming discussion that's ok, no one is judging.

Exactly.
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« Reply #133 on: March 01, 2014, 11:13:33 AM »
I don't get the importance of the Crimean; it's not like Russia would loss Black sea access without it and they have to have a different port for their Navy.  Being a punitive action seems a little silly as it risks pushing the Ukraine even closer to the west.
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« Reply #134 on: March 01, 2014, 06:16:24 PM »
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/8-things-obama-must-do-about-ukraine-104128.html

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Second, President Obama should dispatch Secretary of State John Kerry and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to Kiev

Jeez, kick a country while they're down.
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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #135 on: March 01, 2014, 11:47:33 PM »
Good thing too. If those Uygurs had guns we might have had 140 dead and 115 wounded instead

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« Reply #136 on: March 02, 2014, 12:03:34 AM »
Well, that incident is going to be brought up FOREVER by people who could otherwise give a shit about who lives or dies halfway across the planet.  Wheeeeeeeeeee(gur).

Whatever happened to the Uygur separatists at Guantanamo, where they weren't connected to terrorism but nobody wanted to take them (except maybe China, to immediately arrest)?

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« Reply #137 on: March 02, 2014, 12:40:22 AM »
Mando: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/31/last-uyghur-captives-leave-guantanamo-bay/

Thanks.  Slovakia, eh?  Assume they were getting brownie points for taking them off our hands.

Also, didn't the Norway shooter at the kids camp a few years back have some absolutely hideous death toll?  I don't feel like looking it up cause I'll just get depressed.

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« Reply #138 on: March 02, 2014, 02:06:49 AM »
Only mass shooter to get a 30+ k/d ratio was the VT shooter


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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #139 on: March 02, 2014, 06:31:47 AM »
So, what you're telling me is that if a sovereign state the US had a major base in went all revolution style, with a population that was 25% American in a region that was over 50% American, we wouldn't be sending troops in? To say nothing of the natural gas pipelines...

How quickly we forget the coalition of the willing, brehs.

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« Reply #140 on: March 02, 2014, 09:40:37 AM »
I am really amazed that four guys could kill 33 and injure over 100 with knives, though.

Most recent news say that up to ten were involved, only 5 were killed/captured. Still crazy though.
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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #141 on: March 02, 2014, 09:50:38 AM »
We're comparing knives to guns now?
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« Reply #142 on: March 02, 2014, 01:59:42 PM »
I kinda don't feel like getting bombed by Vladimir.

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« Reply #144 on: March 02, 2014, 07:13:06 PM »
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« Reply #146 on: March 02, 2014, 08:57:49 PM »
gotta love the war monger criticism and hand wringing over Obama "not acting." What exactly do these people want. Well, I take that back - Charles Krauthammer wants Obama to send a naval fleet...to the Black Sea, you know, where Russia's fleet is. I can at least respect him for showing his hand - he wants war, period.

Everyone else needs to stop the hand wringing and say exactly what they want to see happen.
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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #147 on: March 02, 2014, 10:05:08 PM »
You have to stand up to bullies. You hit them hard when they aren't expecting it and they'll back down. You have to get in their face. You can't let your fear allow them to run the schoolyard. This is a red line we cannot allow tyrants to cross. If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.

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« Reply #148 on: March 02, 2014, 10:12:35 PM »
Benji :lol

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« Reply #149 on: March 02, 2014, 10:27:32 PM »
We should probably nuke Moscow, that would show Putin that we're serious.
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« Reply #150 on: March 02, 2014, 10:36:00 PM »
Now, I'm not saying that we should launch a massive invasion of Russia from Poland before the spring. I'm just saying that:

1. We should keep all our options on the table.
b. They wouldn't expect it.
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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #151 on: March 02, 2014, 10:41:29 PM »
I will say that Obama probably needs to stop promising consequences/red lines/etc if he's not going to do anything. Outside of that I'm fine with how this has been handled.

BTW I love how Lindsey Graham made such a big deal about kicking Russia out the G8, which technically isn't even possible. Now the G7 has been formed...the G8 still exists, it just won't be having any meetings anytime soon. As if Putin cares.
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« Reply #152 on: March 02, 2014, 10:47:26 PM »
"You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text," Kerry told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

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« Reply #153 on: March 02, 2014, 10:51:18 PM »
The only reason Russia was/is included in any of those G# groups in the first place was because they whined about it and the lingering Cold War habits of including them in everything. (And nukes.) I don't even think they meet the criteria* for the G20, let alone the G7.

*EDIT: Should note that I'm referring to a few studies that have tried to create some kind of objective criteria, the groups themselves have no formal criteria which is one complaint they often face. Despite its size Russia usually drops down to like 40th in most of these, Indonesia is another country that drops a ton IIRC. (This could have changed more in recent years, Russia back in the early days wasn't even close to the G7 in plain ol GDP like it is now so I would imagine it would also do better in these constructed metrics.)

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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #154 on: March 03, 2014, 10:05:55 AM »
:whew Former ambassador jack matlock breaks Ukraine down:

http://jackmatlock.com/2014/03/ukraine-the-price-of-internal-division/

Good piece.
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« Reply #155 on: March 03, 2014, 10:56:17 AM »
:whew Former ambassador jack matlock breaks Ukraine down:

http://jackmatlock.com/2014/03/ukraine-the-price-of-internal-division/

Good piece.

That was really good, thank you.

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« Reply #156 on: March 03, 2014, 10:57:22 AM »
It's easy to call for war when you won't have to fight in it. Get Krauthammer, Graham, and all those fuck on the front line and see if their opinion changes.
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« Reply #157 on: March 03, 2014, 11:02:00 AM »
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Re: Putin Makes A Move : International Politics Thread
« Reply #160 on: March 03, 2014, 01:43:49 PM »
Watching the reaction from the right is depressing.  They want America to look strong, but Obama to come out of this with egg on his face
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« Reply #161 on: March 03, 2014, 02:16:23 PM »
Watching the reaction from the right is depressing.  They want America to look strong, but Obama to come out of this with egg on his face

Aint nobody gonna do or really say shit. I dont really even get the sanctions threat either truth be told.

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« Reply #162 on: March 03, 2014, 04:07:10 PM »
Usually Obama's comments on foreign affairs are calculated and vetted, which makes it even more baffling that he has made the same mistake of threatening another leader of state without actual plans of doing anything. Why threaten Putin if all you're going to do is institute sanctions and form the G7, ie shit he clearly doesn't care about?

Even McCain doesn't think we should consider military options right now; however if Obama said that yesterday, you can bet your ass McCain would be calling it cowardly.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-no-military-action-ukraine
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« Reply #163 on: March 03, 2014, 04:27:37 PM »
Eh, what's the alternative?  Openly saying that Russia has a free hand in Eastern Europe and nobody's going to do shit?

Even if the US has very little actual leverage, there are domestic and political reasons for Obama to make a bit of a rhetorical show, and to join in any small or symbolic gestures made by the EU.  From the western perspective, respecting sovereign borders* is a pretty important norm and it's worth doing something to reinforce that idea.  There's really very little downside to what the administration's done so far.

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« Reply #164 on: March 03, 2014, 04:32:27 PM »
I think we all expect the posturing and decrying the involvement but the way he said it had a certain (:ufup) tone to it that PD intimated.

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« Reply #165 on: March 03, 2014, 04:37:37 PM »
Even McCain doesn't think we should consider military options right now; however if Obama said that yesterday, you can bet your ass McCain would be calling it cowardly.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-no-military-action-ukraine

McCain's smart enough to know that putting American troops on the ground within shooting distance of Russian soldiers is an exceedingly bad idea, but he'll still find away to twist it around to where Obama is being weak an ineffectual by not doing something or other.
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« Reply #166 on: March 03, 2014, 04:47:59 PM »
Dont have video yet but apparently China and Belarus (lolwut) took a line against Russia

http://www.c-span.org/live/

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« Reply #167 on: March 03, 2014, 05:23:56 PM »
Yeah it sucks what russia is doing, but the usa throwing a hissy fit over this after iraq and afghanistan is sad.

That said I hope someone sets the ruskies straigth.

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« Reply #168 on: March 03, 2014, 05:31:52 PM »
Poland has invoked Article 4 of Nato's founding treaty, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened. Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski has said that while the Ukraine crisis is not a direct threat to Poland and that the country is safe, Poland wants to enlist Nato as a tool to work for stabilisation in Ukraine.

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« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2014, 05:37:29 PM »
Isn't that exactly what pisses Russia off about (half of) Ukraine turning westwards? NATO reach extending to their borders, I mean.
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« Reply #172 on: March 03, 2014, 06:36:01 PM »
Finally, an opinion that matters.
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« Reply #173 on: March 03, 2014, 07:03:41 PM »
He's just Out For Justice and wants to remind Russia they're not Above The Law and can't put Ukraine Under Seige unless they want to be Marked For Death. Seems like they're treading On Deadly Ground
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« Reply #174 on: March 03, 2014, 07:55:32 PM »
I thought him and Putin were sword-crossed lovers so I figure he would be pro-Russia on this one.
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« Reply #176 on: March 03, 2014, 08:35:00 PM »
WASHINGTON—According to a poll released Monday by the Pew Research Center, the escalating conflict between Russia and Ukraine has left Americans sharply and bitterly divided along ignorant and apathetic lines, with the nation’s citizenry evenly split between grossly misinformed and wholly indifferent factions.

“The very real threat of a Russia-Ukraine war has completely polarized the general public, pitting two deeply entrenched blocs against one another: those who have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about and those who couldn’t care less,” said Pew spokesman Andrew Collins, noting that the ouster of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yanukovych and Russia’s subsequent occupation of Crimea has inflamed tensions between the two sides to a level unseen since the height of the war in Syria. “This is not a distinctly regional or socioeconomic split, either. We’re seeing local workplaces, friends, even families ripped in two by their desire to either ignore the whole thing completely or spout an inane, half-witted opinion on it like they’re some geopolitical expert.”

“And as the situation develops and Western powers become more involved, these divisions will only appear more stark,” he added. “In the coming weeks, we can expect to hear a growing cacophony of uninformed and harebrained calls for action or restraint from one side, and absolutely nothing at all from the other.”

Results of the poll found that the two sides are at odds on nearly every facet of the crisis, from last week’s protests in Kiev, to Ukraine’s freeing of former president Yulia Tymoshenko, to Russian president Vladimir Putin’s invasion of the Crimean Peninsula in defiance of Western warnings, with neither group seeing eye-to-eye on any of the developments’ significance—or whether they even have any significance to begin with.

Additionally, nearly half the U.S. public has put forth numerous breathtakingly naive potential solutions to the crisis—which range from economic sanctions on Russia, to economic sanctions on Ukraine, to deploying the U.S. military to the “middle of Asia” to solve the standoff—while an equal number of Americans firmly and repeatedly stated their commitment to not giving a shit one way or the other.

Furthermore, sources are reporting that the deep ideological rift over the Russia-Ukraine conflict is visible in nearly every community and place of work across the country, with disinterested and misinformed Americans confirming they have repeatedly come into conflict in recent days.

“It’s incredibly frustrating to try to talk some sense into someone who doesn’t realize that Crimea’s very freedom as an independent nation is at stake,” said completely ignorant San Jose, CA resident Carol Goldmacher, who admitted that she has clashed constantly in the past week over Ukraine with her staunchly apathetic roommate Lisa Suarez. “Talking to her is like talking to a brick wall. It’s almost as if she doesn’t even want to hear how Putin was kicked out of Ukraine by his own people and then retaliated by invading Crimea. Frankly, no matter how much I tell her that Obama’s this close to breaking his silence and issuing a warning to Russia, it’s just not getting through to her.”

“The bottom line is that Carol’s views aren’t going to affect my opinion,” said Suarez of her roommate’s constant uneducated opinions about John Kerry’s upcoming trip to Kiev and her bizarre personal assertion that the invasion happened “suspiciously close to the Olympics.” “My mind’s made up, and I completely stand by my lack of interest in this issue. So Carol should just keep her mouth shut and let this situation—whatever it is—play out.”

According to reports, most Americans see little chance of the warring camps coming to any sort of reconciliation any time soon, as supporters on both sides appeared committed in their respective efforts to either gravely misconstrue the complicated crisis in Ukraine or remain checked out of the issue entirely. Still, some experts are holding out hope that the two groups may be able to someday see eye-to-eye on the thorny issue of Ukrainian sovereignty and Russian aggression.

“As startling as these two factions’ differences may seem at first, there’s still opportunity for the two sides to come together and reach a compromise on the Ukraine conflict,” said Collins. “When it comes to the situation in Crimea, there’s a middle ground between ignorance and apathy on this issue that I think all Americans could happily live with.
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« Reply #177 on: March 03, 2014, 08:40:33 PM »
Yeah it sucks what russia is doing, but the usa throwing a hissy fit over this after iraq and afghanistan is sad.

That said I hope someone sets the ruskies straigth.

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« Reply #178 on: March 03, 2014, 09:55:19 PM »
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« Reply #179 on: March 03, 2014, 10:44:15 PM »
turn your country into source material for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. sequels, brehs

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