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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4440 on: July 26, 2018, 09:03:46 PM »
Juncker is a useful and obedient idiot and a drunk. Of course that story is probably true, I mean you've seen the video where the carry him out of the meeting because he's blind drunk, right? I assume it has been posted here.
There's about 20 of those, which one are you referring to?

This one, it gets even better after 1:30


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« Reply #4441 on: July 27, 2018, 06:02:16 PM »
valk out outchea dropping truth bombs on the libs

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« Reply #4442 on: July 28, 2018, 04:29:39 AM »
Is that Paul Joseph Watson in drag.

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« Reply #4443 on: July 28, 2018, 06:33:09 AM »
"Rape explodes in Sweden"

Hehehehehe, spontaneous cumbustion.

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« Reply #4444 on: July 28, 2018, 01:59:47 PM »
I don't know what percentage of that rant was bullshit but that liveleak rape video was fucking disgusting and infuriating and the fact that authorities and media in European countries are trying to cover up this crap is fucking enraging.

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« Reply #4445 on: July 30, 2018, 08:17:17 AM »
Rape crimes being commited disproportionally by foreign citizens is old news at this point. There probably is some overreporting but the last time i saw the statistics the representation was ridiculous regardless. This is solely about Finland.

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« Reply #4446 on: August 01, 2018, 12:19:07 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/sunday-review/obama-egypt-coup-trump.html

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President Trump boasts that he has reversed American policies across the Middle East. Where his predecessor hoped to win hearts and minds, Mr. Trump champions the axiom that brute force is the only response to extremism — whether in Iran, Syria, Yemen or the Palestinian territories. He has embraced the hawks of the region, in Israel and the Persian Gulf, as his chief guides and allies.

But in many ways, this hard-line approach began to take hold under President Barack Obama, when those same regional allies backed the 2013 military ouster of Egypt’s first elected president, Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Civilians in government were skeptical, too. Secretary of State John Kerry had grown close to many of the most fiercely anti-Islamist Persian Gulf royals during his decades in the Senate, even sometimes yachting with them. He had always distrusted the Brotherhood, he told me years later. When he visited Cairo for the first time as secretary of state in March 2013, he took an immediate dislike to Mr. Morsi.

“He is the dumbest cluck I ever met,” Mr. Kerry told his chief of staff as they left the presidential palace. “This isn’t going to work. These guys are wacko.”

Mr. Kerry got along better in his one-on-one meeting with Gen. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. A former military intelligence chief, General Sisi had vaulted himself into the job of defense minister in a shake-up just a few months before.
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Mr. Kerry told me he had argued at the White House that Mr. Morsi’s removal was not, in fact, a coup. General Sisi had merely bowed to the public will in order to save Egypt, Mr. Kerry said, noting that the general had announced a plan for new elections. (Mr. Sisi was elected president the next year and again in 2018, each time with more than 95 percent of the vote.)

“In Egypt, what was the alternative? It wasn’t Jeffersonian democracy,” Mr. Kerry told me. “Over whatever number of years we have put about $80 billion into Egypt. Most of the time, this is the kind of government they had — almost all of the time. And the reality is, no matter how much I wish it was different, it ain’t going to be different tomorrow.”

The United States needed the Saudis, Emiratis and Israelis for other priorities, Mr. Kerry said, and he did not want to “get into a fight with them over something as historically clear as how Egypt works.”

President Obama decided not to make any determination about whether Mr. Morsi’s ouster was or was not a coup, effectively accepting it.
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The Egyptian military crushed the opponents of the takeover with a series of mass shootings, culminating on Aug. 14, 2013, in the killing of as many as 1,000. Human Rights Watch concluded that it was the biggest single-day massacre in recent history, surpassing the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. Egypt’s police soon widened the crackdown to suppress independent liberal, leftist, feminist and Christian organizers as well. And a backlash against the takeover ignited an extremist insurgency centered on the North Sinai that continues today.

hopefully john kerry windsurfs chin first into the side of an oil tanker

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4447 on: August 01, 2018, 12:45:14 AM »
I mean, it's historically clear how Egypt works.

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« Reply #4448 on: August 01, 2018, 02:02:15 AM »
Edward Said might have been on to something

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« Reply #4449 on: August 01, 2018, 02:06:17 AM »
I mean, it's historically clear how Egypt works.

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« Reply #4450 on: August 01, 2018, 02:29:14 AM »
Really Obama was just more allergic to open warfare (and to fair more mindful than some multilateralism was probably the better path to safeguard US interests long term). An obvious improvement to the excesses of his predecessor, but otherwise it was mostly realpolitik as usual. I'll give him some credit for the Iran deal : it wasn't genius by any means but they worked hard on it despite the irrational opposition at home from a lot of the political officials.

Hopefully Trump is fucking it up along with NATO and Asia :trumps
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« Reply #4451 on: August 01, 2018, 05:41:53 AM »
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.


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« Reply #4452 on: August 01, 2018, 05:46:56 AM »
Interesting to read they send Flynn to discuss the coup.
Sounds more and more like Flynn is some sort of 'fall guy'.

Currently the Iranian regime is facing a lot of protests from angry citizens as is their satellite Iraq.
Some people watching it fear that the Quds forces (the military/intelligence wing) of the government will take over control from the religious leaders behind the scenes.
But maybe that is actually the plan. Have the military take-over Iran so the US has a rational foe to 'deal' with.
Kinda like how Kerry preferred dealing with Egyptian generals vs. the Muslim Brotherhood.

After all the generals know that a 1:1 battle with the US and it's allies is futile. So they'd be less inclined to stir the pot.

It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.
They outsourced that to Russia. And then they were surprised Putin used his Chechnya playbook to finish the job. I remember US media was really salty when after all their: "THIS IS RUSSIA'S IRAQ" hyberbole op-ed's the Russians managed to handle it quickly and efficiently. Also look at how fast Mattis and co. managed to take-out ISIS as soon as Trump was in office, eased up the rules of engagement and stopped arming some of the groups there (and pressured Arabic states to do the same).
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« Reply #4453 on: August 01, 2018, 05:58:39 AM »
everything you just said was stupid and you should lest time vomiting up terrible posts and more time trying to use your brain

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« Reply #4454 on: August 01, 2018, 11:25:45 AM »
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.


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« Reply #4455 on: August 01, 2018, 12:42:53 PM »
It's historically clear as how Egypt works, BUT ASSAD IS A DICTATOR, OMG OMG OMG, DO ANYTHING EVEN FUND TERRORISTS TO REMOVE HIM.

Apparently the Egyptian coup wasn't a coup either. Gee, I wonder who organized it.

You know what's kind of sad though, i mean i can't speak as to the inevitable ignition of the powder keg working in the background but Syria was enjoying a decent economic boom before the revolution. Can't say whether inequality of said gains contributed to such explosion, probably, given Piketty et. al.'s  aggregate data on the middle east.  I wish i was on the alawite payroll  :heh

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« Reply #4456 on: August 02, 2018, 03:23:21 PM »
The Intercept is reporting that Saudi Arabia and UAE were planning an invasion of Qatar and Tillerson stopped it, and that caused them to lobby hard for his firing.

Also there's this:

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The UAE’s harassment of Qatar also includes crude public insults lodged by UAE leadership against the Qatari royal family. The jibes frequently emanate from the verified Twitter account of Hamad al Mazrouei, a high-level Emirati intelligence official and righthand man to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed. Mazrouei’s account frequently tweets sexually suggestive content directed at Mozah bint Nasser, the mother of the emir of Qatar. Just last week, Mazrouei tweeted a video of a man and woman – with Mazrouei and Sheikha Mozah’s faces photoshopped onto their bodies – doing a raunchy bump-and-grind.

The content and audacity of Mazrouei’s tweets have led to speculation in Qatari media that the account is actually controlled by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi himself.

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« Reply #4457 on: August 02, 2018, 03:25:29 PM »
I saw that earlier. Grudging respect to Tillerson.

Saudi Arabia's really leaning into that whole sphere of influence idea lately.

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« Reply #4458 on: August 02, 2018, 06:09:31 PM »
Interesting read, especially that they passed all official channels and simply got to the Trump admin through Kushner.

Although I'm not sure if the alternative the Saudi's are pursuing now is any better.
They're planning to heavily fortify the border with Qatar (the only land border it has) and use it as a nuclear waste dump.
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« Reply #4459 on: August 03, 2018, 01:28:44 AM »
At the risk of sounding like a good old post colonialist racist (and keeping in mind Trump is the current POTUS so...), how can those countries get any better when they're led by such a bunch of children ? Tweeting insulting lewd content to the mother of a rival Emir  :lol ::) :-\
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« Reply #4460 on: August 03, 2018, 01:36:24 AM »
hey buster, we were able to choose Trump, he wasn't imposed on us simply because he was from the House of Trump!


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« Reply #4463 on: August 03, 2018, 04:45:04 AM »
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« Reply #4464 on: August 03, 2018, 05:07:51 AM »
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Despite the criticism, Ye stands by his approach. “A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, leisurely, and gentle; so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained, and magnanimous,” Ye said, quoting Mao. “So is advertising.”
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« Reply #4465 on: August 03, 2018, 03:27:07 PM »
A Chinese dissident was taken away by men (police ?) while he was doing an interview (on an US funded outlet) and nobody has been able to reach him since (AFP tried his phone, his WeChat and of course the local law enforcement headquarters to no avail.).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/chinese-dissident-in-his-80s-arrested-at-home-during-live-tv-interview

Should have worked in advertising.
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« Reply #4466 on: August 04, 2018, 02:52:58 AM »
You're never to old to learn something new be re-educated!
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« Reply #4467 on: August 04, 2018, 07:21:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/Jake_Hanrahan/status/1025879410933673985

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« Reply #4468 on: August 04, 2018, 09:03:11 PM »
nintex beat me to it

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« Reply #4469 on: August 05, 2018, 05:34:30 AM »
CIA just needs better drones.

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« Reply #4470 on: August 05, 2018, 07:09:49 AM »
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1026049839484874752

Nothing matters anymore
Whatever AI is ruling us it has gone rampant  :doge
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« Reply #4471 on: August 05, 2018, 12:37:34 PM »
Maduro da god. :bow2


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« Reply #4473 on: August 05, 2018, 01:02:26 PM »
A North Korean Defector’s Tale of Lies, Blackmail and Betrayal

Not the most important part of the story but NK using waitresses as a source of foreign income is :dead
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4474 on: August 05, 2018, 01:05:15 PM »
Related to that apparently Russia might be in trouble with the US because they've supposedly been hiring North Korean laborers despite sanctions prohibiting it.

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« Reply #4475 on: August 05, 2018, 01:06:54 PM »
Related to that apparently Russia might be in trouble with the US because they've supposedly been hiring North Korean laborers despite sanctions prohibiting it.

Donny will lift that and allow it in the US too. He's on a deregulation roll lately.
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« Reply #4476 on: August 06, 2018, 06:46:45 AM »
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1026415005724491776

Boris has finally started his campaign.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4477 on: August 06, 2018, 11:42:18 AM »


edit: they deleted it and reposted without the plane :lol

Saudi Twitter is wild

https://twitter.com/YasirKSA88/status/1026300442458783744
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« Reply #4478 on: August 06, 2018, 01:18:32 PM »
:comeon

SA is pulling all it's college students from Canada by revoking their scholarships. Is this peak butthurt?
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« Reply #4479 on: August 06, 2018, 04:54:48 PM »
Knowing how duplicitous Canadians can be, I'm inclined to side the Kingdom\

What did Canada do?

Said KSA should release civil rights activists, apparently they ramped up arrests recently.

"Saudi Arabia freezes new trade with Canada for urging activists' release"
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-saudi-canada-diplomacy/saudi-arabia-freezes-new-trade-with-canada-for-urging-activists-release-idUKKBN1KR1AX
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« Reply #4480 on: August 07, 2018, 12:35:14 AM »
Not sure a lot of people will get the benefit of it since it's in the French but the following podcast has a good discussion about the Sino-African relationship. The guest is a former diplomat and economist Jean-Joseph Boillot and among the panel is Lionel Zinsou, former Prime Minister of Bénin :

Le Nouvel Esprit Public: La Chine Afrique (#48) http://rss.art19.com/episodes/54ee3f7b-ebd7-4483-bb4e-f0c9544dc447.mp3

It's fairly thorough for the duration and it veers off the customary alarmism surrounding the issue and highlight the sometimes forgotten African agency in those matters.

To try to summarize the bullet points :
- Chinese relations with Africa started with liberation wars. Very present in the Horn obviously but certainly not contained there (present in Maghreb, Mauritania, etc...).
- China moved beyond simply trading raw materials and fossil fuels and is flooding the continent with cars, bikes and smartphones which kick-started a mini revolution (ease of transportation, telecoms). Some smartphone are sold for a quarter of the European price. Some manufacturing also going on.
- Huge investments in infrastructure, buildings and the creation of special economic zones (notably in Ethiopia) though the results are not up to expectations. Some Chinese billionaires are patrons if the art.
- Chinese diplomacy is excellent with ambassadors fluent in local languages down to Swahili, Wolof... (A reminder that China is the biggest supplier in troops for the UN peacekeeping force). But a lot of frustration at some of the middling results, political resistances and African leaders not being that malleable despite the investments.
- Over 1m Chinese have emigrated to Africa (including up to taking dual citizenship) including traders and artisans. Create some tensions on the ground with increased competition for the indigenous blue collar class. Generally a lot of weariness : Chinese companies have a bad reputation as employers and will often bring a lot of the manpower from home, making the economic returns more meager, though it is evolving (it's starting to get too cost prohibitive to staff lower positions with expatriates).
- China is looking for a second military base, this one on the Atlantic coast. Word on the ground is that their Djibouti base has a manpower well in excess of the agreement (maybe 10k more).
- Unlike Europe or the US and despite how predatory the economic model may be, Africa commercial balance with China is positive.
- Arguably European corporations got a lot better and more professional under the pressure of Chinese competition. They're far from having been wiped out and the local governments want to have the choice to not get shackled.
- Though Chinese presence is not viewed with rose tinted glasses, European are not suddenly absolved of their baggage.
- As Trump was shitting the G7, Paul Kagamé was representing the African union in Shanghai and giving multiple speeches. Kagamé is popular in Africa for the effectiveness of the transformations he mandated in Rwanda.
- Zinsou is hopeful for the future of democracy in Africa and feels it is making great strides at the local level.
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« Reply #4481 on: August 07, 2018, 01:37:47 AM »
- China moved beyond simply trading raw materials and fossil fuels and is flooding the continent with cars, bikes and smartphones which kick-started a mini revolution (ease of transportation, telecoms). Some smartphone are sold for a quarter of the European price. Some manufacturing also going on.
- Unlike Europe or the US and despite how predatory the economic model may be, Africa commercial balance with China is positive.
- As Trump was shitting the G7, Paul Kagamé was representing the African union in Shanghai and giving multiple speeches. Kagamé is popular in Africa for the effectiveness of the transformations he mandated in Rwanda.

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« Reply #4482 on: August 07, 2018, 05:27:25 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)

edit: they deleted it and reposted without the plane :lol

Saudi Twitter is wild

i have to admit that i really didn't see the rest of the world picking up Trump's Twitter Diplomacy coming :trumps

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« Reply #4483 on: August 07, 2018, 06:21:27 AM »
SA going ape-shit after a little criticism from Canada is not a good look

I mean if that new dude wants to project power, you might wanna be cool about it, instead of doing this and unwittingly project pettiness
Jared has taught the young prince well.
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« Reply #4484 on: August 07, 2018, 04:32:22 PM »
pretty sure the sauds wilding out precedes the trump administration

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« Reply #4485 on: August 07, 2018, 04:37:39 PM »
pretty sure the sauds wilding out precedes the trump administration

They're waging a bloody cruel war, a blockade, and were suspected of detaining and forcing to resign a foreign Prime Minister.

You can squander a lot of soft power when you have oil and money.
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« Reply #4486 on: August 07, 2018, 05:21:43 PM »
WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS DOUBLE DOWN OR DIE TRYING

https://twitter.com/thekarami/status/1026919688452755456
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« Reply #4487 on: August 08, 2018, 02:05:10 AM »
Decolonisation was a mistake.

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« Reply #4488 on: August 08, 2018, 02:05:54 AM »
Decolonisation was a mistake.

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« Reply #4489 on: August 08, 2018, 02:54:10 AM »
No, you've got a point.

If Canada were still a colony they could have avoided this mess.

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« Reply #4490 on: August 08, 2018, 03:20:29 AM »
Anglophone North America having ever decolonized. :heh

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« Reply #4491 on: August 08, 2018, 04:28:30 PM »
After a day of tit for tat rocket fire and airstrikes, Israel responds with this:
https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1027241141673099265
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« Reply #4492 on: August 09, 2018, 08:19:59 AM »
The UN is frantically trying to keep the peace but Hamas keeps lobbing missiles.

https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027528183804035073
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« Reply #4493 on: August 09, 2018, 09:15:29 PM »
After a day of tit for tat rocket fire and airstrikes, Israel responds with this:
https://twitter.com/TheIsraelink/status/1027287570974167040

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« Reply #4494 on: August 09, 2018, 09:23:21 PM »
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« Reply #4495 on: August 10, 2018, 06:54:56 AM »
So Turkey is going down the drain fast. The Lira is plummeting and Erdogan says:
"They have their Dollars we have our people and GOD!"

Meanwhile the European banks have again been FUCKING STUPID FUCKS by lending Erdogan the money he needs for his neo-Ottoman Empire.
They risk losing billions when/if Turkey defaults or Erdogan does something stupid. So it won't be long before they will bail him out to save their banks if this keeps up.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1027845971030560775
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« Reply #4496 on: August 10, 2018, 09:46:58 AM »
Welp Trump just kicked Turkey off a cliff

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1027899286586109955

$6.75 now. If the Lira hits $7.10 Goldman expects the Turkish banks to default.
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« Reply #4497 on: August 10, 2018, 10:12:30 AM »
Says the dotard who did nothing when turkish thugs beat up protesters on US soil.
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« Reply #4498 on: August 10, 2018, 04:38:32 PM »

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