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Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
« Reply #6180 on: June 07, 2019, 02:20:09 PM »
Forum poster Occam unaware of stances and policies that Marxist-Leninist parties have argued for. :pacspit

They are in dire need of brain medication.
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« Reply #6181 on: June 07, 2019, 05:17:40 PM »


Welp, guess boris wins this one lol :lol
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« Reply #6182 on: June 07, 2019, 05:30:15 PM »
Well at least he didn't eat some fat sandwich in public.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Huawei or the Highway?
« Reply #6183 on: June 07, 2019, 06:51:12 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1136610824762601473

(54% pro Brexit voters.)

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He denied that Brexit played any part in the decision: “Hard Brexit would not be good for our business but as far as this decision is concerned it has nothing to do with Brexit.

"The simple question is, if Brexit had never happened, would this decision be different, and the answer is no.”

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Shouldn't accept Ford's word at face value but I don't really get how the area voting for Brexit at basically the same rate as the national average shows the plant workers had it coming or whatever

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« Reply #6184 on: June 07, 2019, 08:15:29 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/1136610824762601473

(54% pro Brexit voters.)

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He denied that Brexit played any part in the decision: “Hard Brexit would not be good for our business but as far as this decision is concerned it has nothing to do with Brexit.

"The simple question is, if Brexit had never happened, would this decision be different, and the answer is no.”

 :gopnik

Shouldn't accept Ford's word at face value but I don't really get how the area voting for Brexit at basically the same rate as the national average shows the plant workers had it coming or whatever

He's right in a sense, the EU just did a trade deal with Japan that means no import duties/tax for cars from Japan. England and Japan are the two major countries that still drive on the right side, so it's going to make more sense to just import cars from Japan now.

The real issue is that the UK is such a small market that it makes sense to do it. A lot of industries are just going to think the UK is too small a market to give a shit about it.

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« Reply #6185 on: June 07, 2019, 11:02:08 PM »
They also axed Ford Australia awhile back (RIP Falcon).

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« Reply #6186 on: June 08, 2019, 03:32:39 AM »
At the end of the day whether or not the decision derived from Brexit either in part or in full doesn't really matter - it will just add to the shitshow that this distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed political decision based on a dumb referendum will turn into.

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« Reply #6187 on: June 08, 2019, 03:47:26 AM »
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houses in disrepair, electricity rationing, collapse of every industry

So business as usual then.

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« Reply #6188 on: June 08, 2019, 02:48:26 PM »
England and Japan are the two major countries that still drive on the right side, so it's going to make more sense to just import cars from Japan now.


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« Reply #6189 on: June 08, 2019, 04:29:39 PM »
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« Reply #6190 on: June 10, 2019, 06:16:02 AM »
https://petapixel.com/2019/05/01/kazakhstan-caught-beauty-retouching-photos-of-new-leader/
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The large Asian country of Kazakhstan was just caught “Photoshopping” official photos of its new leader, using beauty retouching techniques to dramatically alter his appearance.

RFE/RL made the discovery after comparing government-released photos with alternate versions captured at the same time by photojournalists in attendance.



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« Reply #6191 on: June 10, 2019, 06:24:47 AM »
For all we know it might be every other foreign photographer trying to smear this proud new leader by aging him artificially using Photoshop.

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« Reply #6192 on: June 10, 2019, 08:12:26 AM »
There is hope for humanity still.
The Dutch government has started to adopt the innocent orphans of Dutch ISIS fighters from Syria.  :heart

https://twitter.com/abdulkarimomar1/status/1137985518724112384
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« Reply #6193 on: June 10, 2019, 12:22:10 PM »



lol j/k guys


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Boris Johnson has pledged to cut income tax bills for people earning more than £50,000 a year if he wins the race to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.

The former foreign secretary told the Telegraph he would use money currently set aside for a no-deal Brexit to raise the 40% tax rate threshold to £80,000.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48577579

Nintex

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« Reply #6194 on: June 10, 2019, 12:30:18 PM »
That makes Mike Pompeo the only person in politics who thinks Corbyn has a shot at becoming PM  :lol
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« Reply #6195 on: June 10, 2019, 02:18:42 PM »
You have to admit, it's funny seeing the state dept talk about the UK like it's some milquetoast south american social democracy :lol

That's just part of the US's special relationship with the UK.
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« Reply #6196 on: June 10, 2019, 05:42:12 PM »
I know a Swiss journalist argued that a dematerialized border was technologically feasible and he mentioned an example that Switzerland helped setting up. Can't remember where, a quick Google search turns up the Canary Islands (or more specifically the screening between the Canaries and continental Spain) without more details. Barnier doesn't seem convinced but who knows ? Though if it was that easy you'd expect the British would be already working on implementing it.
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« Reply #6197 on: June 10, 2019, 06:15:42 PM »
Estimates I've seen say 2030 for "technological solutions". Just leave Northern Ireland in the single market, for fuck's sake.
Gonna have to cut them loose first and that's not looking likely.

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« Reply #6198 on: June 10, 2019, 07:19:45 PM »
Partition a country you colonized brehs.

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« Reply #6199 on: June 11, 2019, 05:25:15 AM »
"we need to take back control of our borders"

"OK, so what about the RoI/NI one?"


Kara

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« Reply #6200 on: June 11, 2019, 10:29:51 AM »
:lol In the Intercept article they have a paragraph where they just link to credulous Western media articles about the Lula prosecution and one of them is an embarrassing Transparency International award given to the prosecutors. Go off, kings, queens, and gender nonconforming monarchs.

Couldn't help but notice in that story that the libertarian party filed the court petition challenging the court order to permit interviewing Lula from jail. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT. :hyper

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« Reply #6202 on: June 11, 2019, 10:20:32 PM »
Couldn't help but notice in that story that the libertarian party filed the court petition challenging the court order to permit interviewing Lula from jail. LIBERTARIAN MOMENT. :hyper
I'll have you know that libertarians in the Americas have a fantastic track record of filing court motions no one else will bother with that do nothing to help advance the libertarian movement and are nothing but money/resource sinks for it. :bolo

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« Reply #6204 on: June 13, 2019, 11:51:03 AM »
If it wasn't clear already, the UK is fucked :lol


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« Reply #6205 on: June 13, 2019, 01:28:58 PM »
Boris!!!  :mynicca
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« Reply #6206 on: June 13, 2019, 01:59:54 PM »
No deal was and is a stupid idea.

So let's pick the thundering idiot who wants it at every cost.

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« Reply #6207 on: June 13, 2019, 02:06:19 PM »
I wonder if Merkel jumps from the Reichstag if she realizes the next big international event will have Trump, Boris, Salvini and Putin.  :lol
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« Reply #6208 on: June 13, 2019, 02:08:55 PM »
She's too close to retirement to do anything rash.

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« Reply #6209 on: June 13, 2019, 05:24:08 PM »
I genuinely get a lot of anxiety thinking about Chinese-American relations. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that things are not productive right now, that the future does not look any better, and that this might be the end of relative trust between the US and China. This quote from Petrarch comes to mind...

"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."
Nah, this is just e-penis measuring on an international level. The US and China need eachother.
Without the US China can't sell their shit. Without China the US can't produce their shit.
The force is perfectly balanced.
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« Reply #6210 on: June 13, 2019, 05:43:06 PM »
You think Trump doesn't hike tariffs at the end of the month? You really think he's rational? lol
The biggest victim so far is Huwaei, which is cast out from the overly crowded not very profitable Android smartphone market.

It's stupendously easy to evade those tariffs.
Russia has been avoiding the sanctions for years. For example, they sell their shit through Belarus which is not sanctioned and buy goods banned in Russia from Ukraine.
China with all its wealth, connections and overseas assets can easily ship and repackage if they want to. They own ports all over Europe and Africa.

The US needs some sort of arrangement to make up for the loss of their manfucaturing to China.
The Trump administration is not wrong to call out China for their IP theft and currency devaluations.
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« Reply #6211 on: June 13, 2019, 06:56:55 PM »
Cool, guess we're going to war in the Middle East again.
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« Reply #6212 on: June 13, 2019, 07:01:29 PM »
Fight wars for the Saudis brehs :rejoice

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If it happens though, I just hope we stay out of this one again, just like the war against Iraq even though Trump will throw an even bigger tantrum than Bush.
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« Reply #6213 on: June 13, 2019, 07:05:55 PM »
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« Reply #6214 on: June 13, 2019, 07:08:06 PM »
:hans1 Gleiwitz :hans1

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« Reply #6215 on: June 13, 2019, 07:28:25 PM »
Critical support for the Trump regime trying to destroy the U.S. as both a military and economic hegemon.

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« Reply #6216 on: June 13, 2019, 08:08:47 PM »
Is the trade war better understood as the whims of one president, or as a dominant society trying to thwart a rising one?

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« Reply #6218 on: June 14, 2019, 04:35:00 AM »
The day Pompeo went war drummin Trump praised Abe for meeting Ali. When Kim fired Missiles Trump said he didn't care and sided with North Korea against Biden. When Russia captured Ukranian vessels and blocked a waterway Trump didn't care. Iran would have to make this personal to make Trump care enough to go to war.
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« Reply #6219 on: June 14, 2019, 04:57:36 AM »
It's not really related to being personal and I think that makes it way too complex. Trump has a reflexive anti-war streak because he's afraid of making a mistake on it and looking bad. He got Iraq "right" simply because he was posturing against W. and conventional wisdom from a position of no consequences and turning out right helped reinforce this. He'd otherwise never taken stances on anything like that. He was always a frontrunner.

That article about everyone in the departments being upset with Trump for not warring enough actually said this without saying this. All the sources essentially said that when they get to the point where they have to ask Trump "yes or no" he disappoints them by siding with "no, not yet" and they have to go be diplomatic. There was always lots of talk that Obama reflexively said "yes" because he was afraid of appearing too anti-war or whatever. Especially when Clinton was Secretary of State, and when Kerry came in it changed as Kerry is less hawkish than Hillary simply because he's a ditherer while she decides and then sticks to it and will literally murder people who dare her to change. Anything that lets Trump "not decide" or punt is basically what he wants.

In cases where they can essentially do as they wish without asking due to longstanding situations, the departments do, and Trump eagerly takes credit for the successes even though he didn't order anything or make any decisions on it.

Trump doesn't see trade or any other kind of foreign policy as the same, he was quite steeped in the military ethos coming up and while he is totally disregarding of everything about it on a personal level, he was always said to be super respectful of the concept and I think that leads to him on some level recognizing the potential and literal human cost (especially coming of age through Vietnam) that contributes to his hesitancy. He doesn't want to look bad causing deaths of soldiers more than anything. I think he also likes to think that the troops love him and he's reluctant to introduce anything that may contradict that like killing a bunch of them.

Wars through Twitter are the perfect Trump War. Actual wars, not so much. That's the frustration that someone like Bolton has, that then gets into the press about how Trump is fucking up good opportunities to bring lesser nations to heel.

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« Reply #6220 on: June 14, 2019, 11:07:34 AM »
Who are you going to trust, the actual victims or the CIA? :-*

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« Reply #6221 on: June 14, 2019, 11:34:39 AM »
I'm not sure I buy much into the whole Trump as a rampart to hawks, though I guess it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation of who started pulling the Iran string between Trump or some high profile members of his administration (Mattis already was weary of Iran or am I remembering this wrong ?). When all is said and done, he chose Bolton -who is so one track minded that there's no mystery how this would be interpreted- and I don't buy that Pompeo just has blanket autonomy to invoke a casus belli on his Twitter (and I just that Trump doubled down on TV). Antagonizing Iran has been a continued effort for this administration so far.

Plus, IIRC he also ordered strikes in Syria on a whim. Small scale but Trump is not adverse to it in an absolute sense.

It's not that I disagree with the idea that Trump doesn't seem like the type to be thirsty for battlefield glory or that to him it's probably mostly Mad Man 4D chess & selling the bluff, but I'm uneasy at the idea that he's the ultimate failsafe while they are playing with matches in an oil refinery.
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« Reply #6222 on: June 14, 2019, 12:23:03 PM »
The current US involvement is Syria is much larger than the administration or the press will talk about.
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« Reply #6224 on: June 14, 2019, 01:25:55 PM »
shoulda asked cheney for his playbook before trying this

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« Reply #6225 on: June 14, 2019, 01:35:03 PM »
shoulda asked cheney for his playbook before trying this

They’re following it.

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« Reply #6226 on: June 14, 2019, 01:39:25 PM »
"There were flying objects, according to the crew."

Random twitter person: "May have been bullets."


I'm not a gun expert, but I'm pretty sure bullets would be pretty hard to spot.

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« Reply #6227 on: June 14, 2019, 02:08:49 PM »
Plus, IIRC he also ordered strikes in Syria on a whim. Small scale but Trump is not adverse to it in an absolute sense.

He did, and he held a presser where he went ":'( Assad gassed the innocents" to justify shooting a bunch of missiles into a country that hasn't done anything to us since we occupied Lebanon. It was vintage Neoconservative hour. A troop died in Niger doing god knows what too. My good friend and ideological enemy benji was talking out of his ass which is an occupational hazard in contrarian corner.

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« Reply #6228 on: June 14, 2019, 02:24:09 PM »
The current US involvement is Syria is much larger than the administration or the press will talk about.

Has the Trump admin really escalated it or is it just keeping engagement levels at where they were under Obama ?

A troop died in Niger doing god knows what too.

Probably some spillover of Enduring Horn : Africa of Freedom. But I guess you're not fully acclimated yet to a perpetual presence in a vaguely defined quarter of Africa and the occasional deaths in operations that come with it (hostage rescues, lately, for the RF).
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« Reply #6229 on: June 14, 2019, 03:02:31 PM »
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The government is in "pretty good shape" to cope with a no-deal Brexit, the head of civil service has said.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6230 on: June 14, 2019, 03:18:33 PM »
Has the Trump admin really escalated it or is it just keeping engagement levels at where they were under Obama ?
Dramatically. I have trouble finding this gif but there was a timelapse of drone strikes in Syria from 2014 to 2018 or whenever they stopped reporting to the public and it's kind of shocking.

Drone strikes doesn't tell the whole story, if in the same time they reduced other material or human footprints or downsized shipments of arms or other devices to amenable groups. The admin started pulling troops at one point.

I'm not saying you're wrong, mind.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6231 on: June 14, 2019, 03:34:28 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48631741

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The government is in "pretty good shape" to cope with a no-deal Brexit, the head of civil service has said.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6232 on: June 14, 2019, 04:10:32 PM »
For some extra lolz, this is the same guy who kept telling May that a no-deal would be a thermonuclear shit show.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6235 on: June 16, 2019, 06:19:43 AM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - Tankers for Bankers
« Reply #6236 on: June 16, 2019, 08:14:46 AM »
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/16/dirty-secrets-of-boris-johnsons-seduction-of-conservative-mps

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Colleagues enjoy conjecturing what could possibly now derail a man who has miraculously survived so much previous scandal. “Another love child falling out of the cupboard wouldn’t do it,” suggests one Tory MP of many years standing. “With Boris, all that is already in the price.”

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I’ve heard all sorts of explanations from Tories about why they are swallowing their misgivings and voting for the former foreign secretary, including one MP who revealed that his wife and children are threatening to punish him by changing the locks to the family home.

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Dominic Raab has tried too hard to be the macho man for the Brexit ultras. He unnerved even some of them by saying that he might attempt to shutter parliament in order to ram through a no-deal Brexit. This is supposed to be a contest for the prime ministership of a mature democracy, not the chairmanship of the junta in a banana republic. Michael Gove is still struggling to recover his balance and answer the charges of hypocrisy after being compelled to admit that he has snorted mind-bending narcotics other than Brexit.
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And if it all goes horribly wrong? At least, I often hear Tories muse, a Johnson premiership “will cheer everyone up”. When your party looks like it is going to hell in a handcart, they reckon you might as well hurtle towards the inferno with a smile on your face.

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« Reply #6238 on: June 16, 2019, 01:58:08 PM »
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