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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8460 on: April 06, 2020, 03:18:16 PM »
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8462 on: April 06, 2020, 03:42:00 PM »
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.

UK has 66 million other incompetent people who can sink a ship and I bet most of them know how to comb their hair.  Somone get the Theresa May dancing under a casket photoshops ready. 

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8463 on: April 06, 2020, 03:55:44 PM »
Not that it would bring him any comfort, but Boris Johnson ascending to sainthood would be a pretty crazy From Zero to Accidental Hero story.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8464 on: April 06, 2020, 04:03:19 PM »
Attlee, Lloyd George, Churchill, BoJo  :brain
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8465 on: April 06, 2020, 04:17:36 PM »
If Boris dies, I have no idea what is gonna happen here in the UK.

Raab becomes interim PM.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8466 on: April 06, 2020, 04:58:16 PM »
Raab is psycho though fun times ahead


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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8468 on: April 08, 2020, 07:49:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1247452660837605378?s=20

Boris will be fine, Trump will win 2020.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8469 on: April 08, 2020, 08:04:24 PM »
thanks for the update, guy who has been wrong about literally everything so far

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8470 on: April 08, 2020, 08:08:10 PM »
THE GREAT AWAKENING

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8471 on: April 08, 2020, 08:25:35 PM »

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8473 on: April 11, 2020, 07:33:53 AM »
Japan is going to move their production out of China and has set up a massive fund to do so because they are really, really, really pissed at corona-chan for postponing the olympics and breaking their supply chain.

Finally your Switch and PlayStation will say "MADE IN JAPAN" once again  :japancry

Another great Boris moment(TM)
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8474 on: April 11, 2020, 05:30:14 PM »
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc

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« Reply #8475 on: April 11, 2020, 05:40:34 PM »
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc
- The EU will realize everything is going too slow so either it all falls apart of it becomes a federation.
- Some countries already on the brink like Iran, Brazil and Venezuela fall apart in civil war, coups and the likes.
- Chinese investors will start a buying spree across Europe and elsewhere, increasing tensions between China and others
- Countries will move production back to their own soil and try to deglobalize
- The Russian/Saudi tensions over oil will escalate with the Trump family backing new king MBS and the Russians his rival family members
- Japan will built Gundams for real.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8476 on: April 11, 2020, 05:49:16 PM »
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc

Not sure it will change much of that directly. So far the biggest talking points seem to be : impact on pollution and possible rehearsal for a transition to more sustainable societies, the central importance of healthcare / social safety nets / a strong public hand, freedom of movement curtailed and borders rematerializing in a pinch.

Mistrust towards China, the EU being a ghost, the US derelict and the temptation to "bring the jobs back" and regain some amount of autarky are all a continuation of current trends.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8477 on: April 11, 2020, 05:49:37 PM »
[or] it becomes a federation.
you mean it centralizes more power in Brussels? Fat chance
It's either that or it all falls apart and we play the Moby song.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8478 on: April 11, 2020, 05:49:51 PM »
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc
- The EU will realize everything is going too slow so either it all falls apart of it becomes a federation.
- Some countries already on the brink like Iran, Brazil and Venezuela fall apart in civil war, coups and the likes.
- Chinese investors will start a buying spree across Europe and elsewhere, increasing tensions between China and others
- Countries will move production back to their own soil and try to deglobalize
- The Russian/Saudi tensions over oil will escalate with the Trump family backing new king MBS and the Russians his rival family members
- Japan will built Gundams for real.

I naturally stand opposed to whatever you say, but I concede that there will be likely a deglobalization movement.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8479 on: April 11, 2020, 05:52:15 PM »
What are your guy's hot takes about the geopolitics of a post-corona world?
What changes, who allies with who etc

Not sure it will change much of that directly. So far the biggest talking points seem to be : impact on pollution and possible rehearsal for a transition to more sustainable societies, the central importance of healthcare / social safety nets / a strong public hand, freedom of movement curtailed and borders rematerializing in a pinch.

Mistrust towards China, the EU being a ghost, the US derelict and the temptation to "bring the jobs back" and regain some amount of autarky are all a continuation of current trends.

Accelerate existing trends stance eh.
And that there good orange :juche

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8480 on: April 11, 2020, 06:13:13 PM »
I'm sure there will be a lot more granular consequences to this but right now it's difficult to have an idea because all the "major" countries are in crisis mode (or just overcame the worst of it). There's concerns about oil and food supplies for this year for instance.

I don't think "deglobalization" will happen and I suspect efforts to divest from China will largely be marginal though nations will probably re-evaluate and enlarge what may count as "strategic industries" to include health supplies. If anything I think there will be efforts towards a better global response to pandemic risks.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8481 on: April 11, 2020, 06:20:04 PM »
If we have a large movement to value low wage jobs, I think a consequence of that will be increased domestic manufacturing.  If you have to pay a livable wage for grocery store workers, then it doesn't seem like manufacturing can't get the same treatment. 

I agree with Nin that either the EU federates or fails, in the long run though.  It's just too alienating for EU citizens to be in democracies but feel like they have no control over the EU as a whole. 

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8482 on: April 11, 2020, 06:23:52 PM »
I've been back there for a while.  Throw Irish in there too. 

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8483 on: April 11, 2020, 06:25:05 PM »
"deglobalization" is going to become a meme idea for some on the right and the left for a while but get silently shot out back when they try to work out the details and see it's nonsense... same as any other half baked idea like that

More likely "deglobalization" is used as a false pretense to move supply chains from China to Latin America or something so that they don't get disrupted when we nuke Fujian.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8484 on: April 11, 2020, 06:25:19 PM »
My personal idea is Spain, Italy, and Greece form their own Mediterranean union and we all get to go back to saying they're not white

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_the_Mediterranean

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8485 on: April 11, 2020, 06:28:21 PM »
My personal idea is Spain, Italy, and Greece form their own Mediterranean union and we all get to go back to saying they're not white

"go back to"  ???

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8486 on: April 11, 2020, 06:40:52 PM »
I agree with Nin that either the EU federates or fails, in the long run though.  It's just too alienating for EU citizens to be in democracies but feel like they have no control over the EU as a whole.

The thing with big states taking over a lot of autonomy from smaller areas (Putin's Russia, Xi's China etc.) is that they strike a bargain with the population.
They continue to deliver on jobs, economic growth and security in exchange for freedom. This goes with ups and downs but Russia is far better off with the Putin regime than it was with Yeltsin.

The EU wants the power but they offer nothing in return. The Germans/Danes/Dutch etc. need to pay, the Italians, Greeks and French need to 'reform'.
None of the countries want to do what the EU wants them to do and because the interests of Berlin are far different from those of Lisbon or Rome there's nothing the EU can offer everyone
except that it is 'easier to trade and pay with a single currency', which in the era of online banking and crypto is a rather weak selling point.

You can't argue that the EU allows for a better foreign policy when none of the states agree and every leader visits Trump/Putin/Xi by themselves to cut deals instead.
At this point I can't tell you what the EU stands for that would make it appealing to a majority of Europeans.

We're now at the point that those who receive the money tell the ones paying for this shitshow to get out  :lol

https://twitter.com/Rob_Roos/status/1249082655930548227
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8487 on: April 11, 2020, 06:58:49 PM »
Does Denmark think they're the Texas of the EU, when in reality, they're more like the Wyoming?


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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8489 on: April 11, 2020, 07:12:08 PM »



The UK already left of course and then there's also the debt to GDP ratio, which is below 50 - 60% for countries like Germany, Finland and The Netherlands and above 100% - 120% for countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain and Greece.
Which is why those states desperately want Eurobonds.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8490 on: April 11, 2020, 07:28:20 PM »
France and Italy are net exporters yet you say you Dutch "need to pay" them.
:curious


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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8491 on: April 11, 2020, 07:29:49 PM »
We're now at the point that those who receive the money tell the ones paying for this shitshow to get out  :lol
Germany has a GDP of nearly 4 trillion and you think because they pay 20B to the EU budget (which is for, what, administration and customs?) they're doing their part :lol

I hate you so much sometimes

I wonder if you did the numbers on various EU nitty-gritty whether Germany benefits more than it pays.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8492 on: April 11, 2020, 08:14:07 PM »
Germany benefits the most from the EU.
Low unemployment, low interest rates, cheap exports, large open market. It is basically the engine the rest of the EU is running on.

Countries like Greece and Italy benefited early on because they could get cheap credit to finance their bloated public sectors and vanity projects.
The idea was that if they joined the EU in time they would be more fiscally responsible, which of course never happened because everyone started running higher deficits.

The funds (ESM) they're now tapping into for the corona spending was basically the 'big bazooka' that was created by the wealthier EU states to end the Euro credit crisis.
With pretty much the understanding that it wouldn't be used for anything else. The ESM was never meant to service short term debt and crisis spending. 
Which is why at the moment no one has the faintest clue how this money is going to and can be put to use.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8493 on: April 11, 2020, 08:32:47 PM »
Germany benefits the most from the EU. ... It is basically the engine the rest of the EU is running on.


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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8494 on: April 11, 2020, 08:42:39 PM »
Here's example 348943 of why the EU is fucking useless.

This infographic


It tells you absolutely nothing. #COVID19

And this looks like a fake news article you would find in Deus Ex


#CORONAVIRUS
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8498 on: April 12, 2020, 05:40:56 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8499 on: April 12, 2020, 07:13:55 PM »
He could probably fund it by selling a couple random trinkets from the Vatican.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8500 on: April 15, 2020, 07:27:41 AM »

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8501 on: April 15, 2020, 07:39:34 AM »
Imagine being such a piece of shit you get easily owned by Piers Morgan :tocry

He used to get bodied in twitter beeves by even the thickest footballers :heh
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8502 on: April 15, 2020, 07:43:51 AM »
Oh yeah. Piers is an absolute distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, and the only person who can rival Osama Bin Laden for the worst Arsenal fan award.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8503 on: April 18, 2020, 03:40:04 PM »
14 people, including lawyers, have been arrested by the HK police for their participation in some of the protests last year.
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« Reply #8504 on: April 18, 2020, 03:47:27 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8505 on: April 18, 2020, 03:56:21 PM »
14 people, including lawyers
way to bury the lede. the people arrested are some of the most important in the democratic movement.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8507 on: April 19, 2020, 08:36:37 AM »
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The US federal government is way too mean toward China. President Donald Trump and his cabinet members and high officials have intensified their efforts to slander China. China needs to take necessary actions and express its strong dissatisfaction.
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Let's wait and see what Washington can do to us.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8508 on: April 19, 2020, 05:13:27 PM »
By the way, I'm glad Boris Johnson recovered. I want him to live to see the gigantic failure he has caused.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8509 on: April 19, 2020, 05:17:40 PM »
I'm sure he'll give a single fuck.

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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8511 on: April 19, 2020, 05:37:42 PM »
I'm sure he'll give a single fuck.

He failed upwards all his life. Now he has nowhere to go but down. His downfall is going to be cathartic.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8514 on: April 20, 2020, 04:16:02 PM »
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8515 on: April 20, 2020, 04:31:27 PM »
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.

I just drove up to the gas station and said "fill me up, daddy" and walked away with a tenner. Totally works.
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8516 on: April 20, 2020, 04:32:27 PM »
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Re: International Politics Thread - BoJo got the bug
« Reply #8517 on: April 20, 2020, 04:53:20 PM »
Negative oil price. You now get paid to take oil.

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« Reply #8519 on: April 20, 2020, 10:04:52 PM »