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« Reply #840 on: August 30, 2015, 01:53:19 PM »
I like Frank and all but this is a huge copout.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176879255&postcount=287

It is. Throwing gasoline on the fire? Haven't a ton of women in the industry just flat out left due to harassment?

It's the polite way of saying "We make billions of dollars off these knuckleheads on both sides per year, like fuck we are going to screw with our retirement money by saying our customers are 'misogynist, bigoted shitheads angry people are joining their secret club' or 'Attention seeking outrage addicts who never passed cultural criticism 101 and think a Gramsci is a new Portland Shoegaze band'".

 
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« Reply #841 on: August 30, 2015, 01:55:30 PM »
A nice way of trying to say silence isn't tacit agreement or tolerance.

Whatever, from what I was told some of those digipen alum dudes fuck pizzas or are cool with a story about fucking pizza. Just another reason to stay away.

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« Reply #842 on: August 30, 2015, 02:01:16 PM »
It isn't about women leaving the industry, there are so few in the industry to begin with and the ones in the industry have either found their niche or they hold good positions in big companies. The issue is more about women joining the industry outright, wanting to work on games to begin with.

Knowing there is a large group of social distinguished mentally-challenged fellows looking to appease each other would be a really strong determent. That and being a game programmer for a big company seems like a shitty job to begin with.
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« Reply #843 on: August 30, 2015, 02:05:06 PM »
It isn't about women leaving the industry, there are so few in the industry to begin with and the ones in the industry have either found their niche or they hold good positions in big companies. The issue is more about women joining the industry outright, wanting to work on games to begin with.

Knowing there is a large group of social distinguished mentally-challenged fellows looking to appease each other would be a really strong determent. That and being a game programmer for a big company seems like a shitty job to begin with.

Well it's both. I know of some women personally who've just snuck away from the industry because it was already toxic enough before GG, then they got it from all sides and said "fuck it." And yes of course it's even harder to recruit when you have developers/industry not taking a stand. The sad part is you know blowhards will buy the next shitty AAA title regardless, so to me the only hold up is they have some issues of their own with women.

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« Reply #844 on: August 30, 2015, 02:09:55 PM »


holy shit "spot the differences"  :ohhh

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« Reply #845 on: August 30, 2015, 02:13:36 PM »
. . . think a Gramsci is a new Portland Shoegaze band".


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« Reply #846 on: August 30, 2015, 02:17:41 PM »
Back when I was around 20 I thought I might want to do game development. Then I played enough shit and even interacted a bit with game devs. Nope'd the fuck out pretty quick.

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« Reply #847 on: August 30, 2015, 02:43:39 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1104221

these dumb bastards don't even know about vacation days

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My thoughts, exactly. I may take a couple days off in between Christmas and New Year's, but that's about it.

Still, I do appreciate their effort, more so even because I know nothing of their working conditions, remuneration, etc.

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« Reply #848 on: August 30, 2015, 02:47:11 PM »
I thought about being a developer too before I realized I would hate working in a what is just an entertainment industry filled with workaholics trying to make deadlines and funding goals. I'm guessing those attributes actually would make it an extremely homogeneous corporate culture too so I don't get why he would expect change to happen organically.


Another problem is that girls don't have much reason to be such gaming culture :expert that follows companies with the fact that there's not much that is marketed to them in the first place. If you went back in time 80 years, you could switch the medium from "games" to "movies" and switch "women" with "black" characters/employees and it'd be exactly the same. Smart thing to do is for one of the big publishers to create a studio that goes after that niche.

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« Reply #849 on: August 30, 2015, 02:47:17 PM »
Americans don't know what vacation/leave is actually, especially if it's paid and it's over a week.


I thought about being a developer too before I realized I would hate working in a what is just an entertainment industry filled with workaholics trying to make deadlines and funding goals. I'm guessing those attributes actually would make it an extremely homogeneous corporate culture too so I don't get why he would expect change to happen organically.


Another problem is that girls don't have much reason to be such gaming culture :expert that follows companies with the fact that there's not much that is marketed to them in the first place. If you went back in time 80 years, you could switch the medium from "games" to "movies" and switch "women" with "black" characters/employees and it'd be exactly the same. Smart thing to do is for one of the big publishers to create a studio that goes after that niche.

Their idea of going after girls already invested in gaming was crap like Barbie's Horse Adventure.

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« Reply #850 on: August 30, 2015, 02:53:30 PM »
No I was thinking more like Mirror's Edge or Beyond Good & Evil (look how far back I have to think) stuff. Where the person you play as could even be a dude but just happens to be a girl and she's not a girly girl or carries around massive boobs.

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« Reply #851 on: August 30, 2015, 02:53:53 PM »
Is Notch "mentally ill" though ? Not that I want to minimize the condition, but diagnosis though twitter is not really diagnosis. He seems like a socially awkward guy that got rich in an instant.

http://i.imgur.com/1G61JEO.png

sounds like his dad was bipolar which can run in families. i would hope that he has had a psych eval and is in therapy for depression

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« Reply #852 on: August 30, 2015, 02:56:27 PM »
No I was thinking more like Mirror's Edge or Beyond Good & Evil (look how far back I have to think) stuff. Where the person you play as could even be a dude but just happens to be a girl and she's not a girly girl or carries around massive boobs.

Mirror's Edge is a bad example because they even changed her chest for audiences.  :marimo

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« Reply #853 on: August 30, 2015, 03:01:53 PM »
No I was thinking more like Mirror's Edge or Beyond Good & Evil (look how far back I have to think) stuff. Where the person you play as could even be a dude but just happens to be a girl and she's not a girly girl or carries around massive boobs.

Mirror's Edge is a bad example because they even changed her chest for audiences.  :marimo

Really? The only thing I remember along those lines was that there was some dopey fan edit of Faith's design that one of the producers really hated because he said it went against everything they were trying to do with her design [i.e. a realistic design that makes her look like an actual person].
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« Reply #854 on: August 30, 2015, 03:03:42 PM »
No I was thinking more like Mirror's Edge or Beyond Good & Evil (look how far back I have to think) stuff. Where the person you play as could even be a dude but just happens to be a girl and she's not a girly girl or carries around massive boobs.

Mirror's Edge is a bad example because they even changed her chest for audiences.  :marimo

Really? The only thing I remember along those lines was that there was some dopey fan edit of Faith's design that one of the producers really hated because he said it went against everything they were trying to do with her design [i.e. a realistic design that makes her look like an actual person].

Maybe I got it wrong. Either way she's still bland as hell yawn worthy material as ninty mentioned.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1103807

But there's some gems in thar.
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« Reply #855 on: August 30, 2015, 03:19:16 PM »
What makes her bland? I don't think that character design is the greatest but I wouldn't call it bland, don't think that was nintenho's point either.

This is bland to me:


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« Reply #856 on: August 30, 2015, 03:25:21 PM »
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1103787



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« Reply #857 on: August 30, 2015, 03:26:27 PM »
I thought she actually had a smaller busom than the average woman. #progress

Faith doesn't show much personality and has a pretty face so it's not like they took a ton of risk.

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« Reply #858 on: August 30, 2015, 03:30:28 PM »
Is Notch "mentally ill" though ? Not that I want to minimize the condition, but diagnosis though twitter is not really diagnosis. He seems like a socially awkward guy that got rich in an instant.

http://i.imgur.com/1G61JEO.png

sounds like his dad was bipolar which can run in families. i would hope that he has had a psych eval and is in therapy for depression

It's probably a bad idea to extrapolate mental health solely from how creativity manifests itself, but I hope he's been evaluated by multiple doctors to rule out being bipolar. With the right medication you can live a rather pleasant life with predictable mood patterns.

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« Reply #859 on: August 30, 2015, 03:30:41 PM »
When your game has progressive insurance cutscenes, personality and all that goes out the window. Characters named ropeburn or some shit.


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« Reply #860 on: August 30, 2015, 03:35:25 PM »
No I was thinking more like Mirror's Edge or Beyond Good & Evil (look how far back I have to think) stuff. Where the person you play as could even be a dude but just happens to be a girl and she's not a girly girl or carries around massive boobs.

Mirror's Edge is a bad example because they even changed her chest for audiences.  :marimo
Maybe this is what you're thinking of. I seem to remember that the devs talked about an older version of her design that looked more busty, but I might be making that up retroactively.

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« Reply #861 on: August 30, 2015, 03:35:35 PM »

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« Reply #862 on: August 30, 2015, 03:46:00 PM »
When your game has progressive insurance cutscenes, personality and all that goes out the window. Characters named ropeburn or some shit.

In dystopian fiction you're taking something you have a problem with irl and making a straw man out of it (in the case of Mirror's Edge, Disneyland with the Death Penalty) to voice your displeasure and it becomes exceedingly difficult to make something that's emotionally and intellectually fulfilling for the consumer to engage with as a result. It's why I'd generally advise someone to avoid working in the medium unless they had a very specific aim in mind beyond trotting out childish simplifications or were just creating a sandbox for other people to play in.

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« Reply #863 on: August 30, 2015, 03:54:23 PM »
will not be able to sleep trying to think of structurally plausible scenarios where hitler and stalin fuck, thanks jansen

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« Reply #864 on: August 30, 2015, 04:45:18 PM »
A nice way of trying to say silence isn't tacit agreement or tolerance.

Whatever, from what I was told some of those digipen alum dudes fuck pizzas or are cool with a story about fucking pizza. Just another reason to stay away.

What. You're going to have to explain this.

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« Reply #865 on: August 30, 2015, 04:50:04 PM »
Gonna have to ask Drinky for the specifics...

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« Reply #866 on: August 30, 2015, 04:54:03 PM »
Gonna have to ask Drinky for the specifics...

Drinky, explain this shit. There is a story here and I want to know it. >:(

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« Reply #868 on: August 30, 2015, 05:51:33 PM »
I like liliththepale's new avatar. Quite fitting.



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I thought she'd be banned longer for those dumb ass posts she made in the last drunk driving thread though

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« Reply #869 on: August 30, 2015, 06:46:17 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176940377&postcount=463

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« Reply #870 on: August 30, 2015, 07:51:37 PM »
When I try to get dates on OKcupid I'm always turned down. Whether it's because I'm short, smoke, fat, or because I still have leftover pimples from acne outbreak years, I'm left to rot. Us men have to uphold an impossible standard. A standard that is only met with FEMALE hypocrisy.

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« Reply #871 on: August 30, 2015, 07:58:07 PM »
When I try to get dates on OKcupid I'm always turned down. Whether it's because I'm short, smoke, fat, or because I still have leftover pimples from acne outbreak years, I'm left to rot. Us men have to uphold an impossible standard. A standard that is only met with FEMALE hypocrisy.

CHURCH :preach

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« Reply #872 on: August 30, 2015, 07:58:11 PM »
Mods help.

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« Reply #873 on: August 30, 2015, 08:01:50 PM »
Mirrors Edge is a bad game. It would be much better if Faith were ten years younger. (・ω・)

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« Reply #874 on: August 30, 2015, 08:02:40 PM »
Mirrors Edge is a bad game. It would be much better if Faith were ten years younger. (・ω・)



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« Reply #875 on: August 30, 2015, 08:05:44 PM »
When I try to get dates on OKcupid I'm always turned down. Whether it's because I'm short, smoke, fat, or because I still have leftover pimples from acne outbreak years, I'm left to rot. Us men have to uphold an impossible standard. A standard that is only met with FEMALE hypocrisy.

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« Reply #876 on: August 30, 2015, 08:09:31 PM »
What's going on in here...

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« Reply #877 on: August 30, 2015, 08:17:47 PM »
this mods help character is a little too on the nose to please my sophisticated trolling palate
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« Reply #878 on: August 30, 2015, 08:17:51 PM »
What's going on in here...

oh

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That's how I react when I have to talk to a girl. It gets a bit tiring, but at least it hides my weaknesses and I don't have to treat a woman like a human being. That's too much work.

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« Reply #879 on: August 30, 2015, 08:23:51 PM »
Is Notch "mentally ill" though ? Not that I want to minimize the condition, but diagnosis though twitter is not really diagnosis. He seems like a socially awkward guy that got rich in an instant.

He's basically EviLore with a lot more money and a lot more fans and a lot less weight loss.

He has never seemed like a neat visionary or a noteworthy game designer. Minecraft is interesting and what it earned was deserved. But Notch himself seems like a moody, dumbass oaf that lucked out.

Having seen some of his code and his Ludum Dare entries, he's basically a mediocre Java programmer who had a decent idea at the right time and cashed in on it super hard core.

Which kind of goes back to what I said comparing him to EL, I think deep down they both know they've already peaked and they are afraid they don't really have any skills or talents to fall back on. All they have is money and time and no idea what to do with it.

A nice way of trying to say silence isn't tacit agreement or tolerance.

Whatever, from what I was told some of those digipen alum dudes fuck pizzas or are cool with a story about fucking pizza. Just another reason to stay away.

I haven't met a single DigiPen graduate who wasn't fucked up in some way. Full Sail grads have been mildly better. I still instantly distrust anyone who went to either both as a human being and as a software engineer/programmer.
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« Reply #880 on: August 30, 2015, 08:33:18 PM »
this mods help character is a little too on the nose to please my sophisticated trolling palate

Yeah, sorry, there's just not enough subtlety or cleverness here, Prole is really slipping in his old age.
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« Reply #881 on: August 30, 2015, 08:36:31 PM »
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:comeon You had months to make this and you can't proof read? :comeon

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« Reply #882 on: August 30, 2015, 08:39:02 PM »
Should have picked a cropped picture from a rule 34 fanart as well. :ufup

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« Reply #883 on: August 30, 2015, 08:39:07 PM »
I personally appreciate the exacting quality of Mods help's posts. He's like the expert artisan at the Campagnolo factory assembling a Super Record groupset by hand, but making fun of gamers. I'm just glad I don't have to pay $4,000 for quality like this.

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« Reply #884 on: August 30, 2015, 08:55:07 PM »
In typical left wing fashion, any attempt at curating your real self online that goes against the PC status quo is viewed as "trolling."


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« Reply #885 on: August 30, 2015, 08:59:33 PM »
Mirrors Edge is a bad game. It would be much better if Faith were ten years younger. (・ω・)

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That's the portion of the post you decided to bold?  :neogaf

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« Reply #886 on: August 30, 2015, 09:07:00 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1104305

i don't think this guy understands what creative writing is

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« Reply #887 on: August 30, 2015, 09:29:40 PM »
New day, same ol' shit

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1104339

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oh shit closed...need a replacement for :snoop...and

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1104351

oh there we go
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« Reply #888 on: August 30, 2015, 10:11:10 PM »
That's the portion of the post you decided to bold?  :neogaf



I know it's a troll but triggered anyway like Gus.

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« Reply #889 on: August 30, 2015, 10:12:15 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176962373#post176962373

quite the diverse crowd

let's play count the fedoras

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« Reply #890 on: August 30, 2015, 10:29:46 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176962373#post176962373

quite the diverse crowd

let's play count the fedoras

that sure is a lot of awkward-looking young white nerdy men
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« Reply #891 on: August 30, 2015, 11:14:25 PM »
Just saw that Ferrio is banned? Is it a perm? Another old school gaffer has left us  :(

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« Reply #892 on: August 30, 2015, 11:51:37 PM »

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« Reply #893 on: August 31, 2015, 12:01:15 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176959533&postcount=4

 :neogaf

Kojima is deeeeeep.

reminder that james joyce's ulysses had to literally fight for its right to party be art in a court of law while fucking gamers just do shit like this

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« Reply #894 on: August 31, 2015, 12:07:28 AM »
Video games have the capability of talking about those topics with maturity. It's just that gaming is entirely hampered by its audience, who desires action and "fun" which is an anti-thesis to those topics. But to say gaming isn't capable of doing that shows the initial poster who brought up topics like slavery and sex slaves to begin with, is quite ignorant about gaming and the stories it is very much capable of achieving. It makes him sound as dumb as his opposition.

The games that do achieve that type of story telling usually are really far from the norm, and if they *are* popular, they're still not what an average gamer would deem "fun". But they do exist.

And to be fair to Kojima, what was done in Ground Zeroes was actually solid. Not the best, but the effort deserves respect.
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« Reply #895 on: August 31, 2015, 12:11:50 AM »
Actually I think Silent Hill covers some very disturbing topics and is fun at the same time.

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« Reply #896 on: August 31, 2015, 12:18:58 AM »
For example, just going by the dudes post positing that slavery, rape, and sexual perversion as the evil topics they are is impossible to be represented in gaming with clarity and maturity, I already know he hasn't played Silent Hill 2. You know, the game about the man deluded in his love for his wife after he suffocates her in her hospital bed, mentally unstable, convinces himself that she sent him a letter after her death to visit the town. Every enemy symbolizes a part of James' guilt and his psychosis and theme, from his horrifically aggressive and disgusting sexuality in the loosely clothed nurses, to the Pyramid Head - the physical manifestation of his guilt and wants - that haunts him by repeatedly killing his brains rendition of his wife, and raping mannequins. All of it is presented as James being the bad guy in the end. In the most common ending, the game ends with James killing himself by drowning in the town lake.

Silent Hill 2 alone disproves his crackpot post. It single-handedly deconstructs not one, but two of the topics he pronounces in his post.

That dude doesn't know shit about video games.

But that's expected. He does post on Neogaf.

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« Reply #897 on: August 31, 2015, 12:21:51 AM »
The wii one was pretty interesting too. Had a pretty crazy twist to it.

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« Reply #899 on: August 31, 2015, 12:23:48 AM »
Play 2 some how. Best game story of all time. Uses every advantage of gaming as a medium, from the enemies you fight and what the represent to the pure wtf of it all. And it achieves this all without having great voice acting and dialogue.
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