The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[thisismyusername]

Speaking of which, instead of destroying an objective you can simply air-lift/Fulton it in a main story mission. I was all  about that being allowed.

[helios]

It kind of deserves the backlash. It dosen't feel like an actual MGS game and the open world aspect feels unneeded. I mean the story is boring and so pointless. The structure is so strange and disconnecting. The the open world is so pointless and really tedious. So far the two boss battles I've played have been better then PW's garbage, but hardly anything to write home about and the Quiet one is supposed to be the best. The game in general just lacks so much of the MGS personality. And really fuck Mother Base.

Mother Base is so lifeless. I'm only a bit into the game, but still, there's nothing going on there at all except soldiers saluting you after you punch them.

And Kojima wasted money on getting Kiefer to voice a silent protagonist. Even the face mocapping is bland and relegated to just ticks and sneers. You really don't see emotion.

[Mods Help]

MGS fans who are bitching about story in V deserve their tears for enjoying that shitstain of a game in MGS4. Fuck you MGS4 fans.

[qq more]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106828

OP: "Metal Gear Solid (I got to be doing this wrong...right?)"

Everyone: Yes. Here's how to play it right.

OP: WTF! I DON'T WANT TO DO IT LIKE THAT. THIS GAME SUCKS

Skip MGS . This game has aged terribly and unless you are already a fan of the series, there isnt much in it.

I can't even... In controls maybe. In terms of gameplay it's still ace.

If it's a game from not from 5 years ago, it's automatically aged poorly and it should be avoided because reasons!

[Rahxephon91]

It kind of deserves the backlash. It dosen't feel like an actual MGS game and the open world aspect feels unneeded. I mean the story is boring and so pointless. The structure is so strange and disconnecting. The the open world is so pointless and really tedious. So far the two boss battles I've played have been better then PW's garbage, but hardly anything to write home about and the Quiet one is supposed to be the best. The game in general just lacks so much of the MGS personality. And really fuck Mother Base.

Mother Base is so lifeless. I'm only a bit into the game, but still, there's nothing going on there at all except soldiers saluting you after you punch them.

And Kojima wasted money on getting Kiefer to voice a silent protagonist. Even the face mocapping is bland and relegated to just ticks and sneers. You really don't see emotion.

The whole game is lifeless. From the story, to the characters, to the environment. It's a boring open world when you're not in the actual bases where the missions are set. So much so that I'm not sure why they bothered creating space around bases.

[thisismyusername]

It kind of deserves the backlash. It dosen't feel like an actual MGS game and the open world aspect feels unneeded. I mean the story is boring and so pointless. The structure is so strange and disconnecting. The the open world is so pointless and really tedious. So far the two boss battles I've played have been better then PW's garbage, but hardly anything to write home about and the Quiet one is supposed to be the best. The game in general just lacks so much of the MGS personality. And really fuck Mother Base.

Mother Base is so lifeless. I'm only a bit into the game, but still, there's nothing going on there at all except soldiers saluting you after you punch them.

I gotta agree. Mother Base should've just been the F.O.B.'s instead. I was all " " about them coming from Peace Walker, but you're right: There's rarely little to do there other than walk around to keep morale high.

And Kojima wasted money on getting Kiefer to voice a silent protagonist. Even the face mocapping is bland and relegated to just ticks and sneers. You really don't see emotion.

It seems like most of that money went into the "DON'T FIGHT IT" scene with Chico in Ground Zeroes. Might as well had continued to use Hayter and kept fans happy as well.

[archie4208]

I played MGS1 a few months back.  Its gameplay has aged poorly.  The controls are hot garbage and half the game is backtracking cause you got a new keycard.  The boss battles are still fun though.

[mormapope]

I played MGS1 a few months back.  Its gameplay has aged poorly.  The controls are hot garbage and half the game is backtracking cause you got a new keycard.  The boss battles are still fun though.

I'd say the stealthing around hasn't aged well. You look in first person to see a guard's route, and then time when you can run across whichever area. The fixed camera positions make backtracking a lot harder. Thinking about it, its much easier spatially to go from south to north than it is north to south, doesn't feel as smooth. The boss battles and story bits make up most of the game once you remember all the guard routes.

[toku]

wouldn't be a metal gear game if half the fanbase didn't hate it

[Rahxephon91]

wouldn't be a metal gear game if half the fanbase didn't hate it

Most of the fanbase seems to like 1,3, and 4....

[studyguy]

MGS storyline is nothing but 

I can't take people who treat it with any kind of reverence seriously. Not wanting to be spoiled, sure I can get that. Enjoying it for the game play mechanics, absolutely I can get behind that too... but defending the lore as if it's worthy of being put up on any pedestal is laughable. I'd almost wish Kojima did get a chance to direct a serious film like he seems to want in order to see how batshit crazy and convoluted it'd be.

MGS storylines are out there on par with KH storylines at this point. There's just too much fuckery to take anything seriously.

[mormapope]

Most of the fanbase seems to like 1,3, and 4....

Tons of people hate MGS2 and MGS4. 1&3 are the only ones that don't get nearly as much hate as those two.

[Rahxephon91]

Well I did'nt mention 2....

You can say MGS4 is hated, but at this point that hate seems to be from a minority. It seems to be liked by most. Hell, it won GOTY twice.

[Mods Help]

wouldn't be a metal gear game if half the fanbase didn't hate it

Most of the fanbase seems to like 1,3, and 4....

Fuck them.

[mormapope]

In 2008, Little Big Planet was number two in Gaf's GOTY list. MGS4 winning in something twice on a site that harbors dudes that think The Order was something special means something, something not good.

[VomKriege]

Won GOTY on GAF, big deal whoop.
It's a bit pointless because when it comes to informal sentiments none of us really have any sort of real evidence, but MGS4 has been a breaking point for a lot of regular players. It became a running joke and it's the poster child for everything wrong with the MGS formula because of its excess. I don't think anyone even among fans would really object to the opinion it's light on gameplay content, with lackluster bosses, very heavy on cutscenes and badly written. MGS2 you'll find people to defend the game with a passion. MGS4, not so much apart from the most rabid fans.

Not too surprising that MGS5 drifts a long way from the usual canvas. Kojipro heard the criticism.

[Rahxephon91]

In 2008, Little Big Planet was number two in Gaf's GOTY list. MGS4 winning in something twice on a site that harbors dudes that think The Order was something special means something, something not good.

Yes, which probably is a show that it is full of dudes who make up the actual MGS fanbase. We're not talking about dudes who go to Target and pick up the copy of Metal Gear and maybe notice that Snake's voice is different. We're talking about the people that know David Hayter and know he was a screen writer on X-men only because they recognized the credit as the guy who voices Snake. We're talking about the guys who have an opinion on the fact that Hideo Kojima's name is'nt on the cover. Yes, those guys are on fourms like GAF and I bet pretty much every other forum also will from a majority opinion that MGS4 is'nt bad. I'm not saying they are right, but in my experience on the net MGS4 seems to be a pretty well liked game.

[qq more]

I've seen so much MGS4 hate, so IDK. I rarely see love for that game these days.

[Tasty]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106828

OP: "Metal Gear Solid (I got to be doing this wrong...right?)"

Everyone: Yes. Here's how to play it right.

OP: WTF! I DON'T WANT TO DO IT LIKE THAT. THIS GAME SUCKS

Skip MGS . This game has aged terribly and unless you are already a fan of the series, there isnt much in it.

I can't even... In controls maybe. In terms of gameplay it's still ace.

If it's a game from not from 5 years ago, it's automatically aged poorly and it should be avoided because reasons!

I saw a couple posts earlier this year about how RE4 was "outdated"

[Jansen]

The opening to MGSV is some serious self indulgent trash and has me begging for nanomachines as a way to explain all the bullshit. after that tho the game is good but i'm not very far so...

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177614582&postcount=46

Cary Fukunaga and Idris Elba clearly inspired by Big Boss.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107212

Worst poster on Gaf.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177614582&postcount=46

Cary Fukunaga and Idris Elba clearly inspired by Big Boss.

oh my god

this is what happens when videogames and anime is the only media you consume isn't it?

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177615734&postcount=13

[Brehvolution]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107212

Worst poster on Gaf.

"The douche that makes a ton of threads."

[Mods Help]

I don't think you mean MGS stans. I think you mean MGS story stans. Those of us who enjoy MGS for gameplay and the experience find V perfectly satisfactory. It's the losers who took MGS stories as more than a hokey, B-movie cheesefest as "art" who are losing their shit.

[Tasty]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177593096&postcount=108

(The entire first page is about the pre-teen orgy.)

[Take My Breh Away]

MGS2 is trash.

Yet if it never existed in its current form, we never would have had Metal Gear Rising: REVENGANCE

#TimelineDualities

[Mods Help]

MGS2 is trash.

MGS2 is a gaming classic. MGS2 Substance is the best Metal Gear.

[thisismyusername]

MGS storylines are out there on par with KH storylines at this point. There's just too much fuckery to take anything seriously.

I wouldn't go that far. MGS2 and 4 are the only ones that attempt to bite off more than they can chew and 4 especially because it was Kojima trying to tie everything together.

In fact, if you remove the "meta-plot" introduced in MGS2, MGS3 is actually really a nailed and paced experience. MGS1 has Jeremy Blustien's translation to thank for being so good as it is.

MGS2 was a fantastic game. The only way you can call it trash is if you care too much about the story.

Big Shell was boring. Let's not defend that.

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah the only problem with the Phantom Pain is the boring prologue.

Not the boring open world. Not Mother Base. The lack of interesting boss fights or set pieces in general. You know things other games in the series have had..

Just the prologue and of course anything relating to story. It certainly couldn't be the repetitive level and mission design.

It could'nt be that TTP is'nt a good Metal Gear game. No

[thisismyusername]

Yeah the only problem with the Phantom Pain is the boring prologue.

Not the boring open world. Not Mother Base. The lack of interesting boss fights or set pieces in general. You know things other games in the series have had..

Just the prologue and of course anything relating to story. It certainly couldn't be the repetitive level and mission design.

It could'nt be that TTP is'nt a good Metal Gear game. No

If MGS5 is boring for you, you're doing something VERY VERY wrong. Which Morma, Others and I have beaten over your head repeatedly. But you know, this is the cycle with you. Whine whine whine.

Yes, which probably is a show that it is full of dudes who make up the actual MGS fanbase. We're not talking about dudes who go to Target and pick up the copy of Metal Gear and maybe notice that Snake's voice is different. We're talking about the people that know David Hayter and know he was a screen writer on X-men only because they recognized the credit as the guy who voices Snake. We're talking about the guys who have an opinion on the fact that Hideo Kojima's name is'nt on the cover. Yes, those guys are on fourms like GAF and I bet pretty much every other forum also will from a majority opinion that MGS4 is'nt bad. I'm not saying they are right, but in my experience on the net MGS4 seems to be a pretty well liked game.

This nicca thinks the MGS fanbase enjoys MGS4 because of NeoGAF.

Go look at the Snake Soup or any other fansite and you'll see there's complete legit critics against MGS4. This is why MGS5 (and Peace Walker) was a break from that. Peace Walker was Kojima attempting to do a Monster Hunter title under the Metal Gear IP because Konami wouldn't let him do otherwise. MGS5 is expanding on that, tweaking it to be less hand-held and Monster Hunter-esque and still better than the bullshit that was MGS4.

[thisismyusername]

Yeah the only problem with the Phantom Pain is the boring prologue.

Not the boring open world. Not Mother Base. The lack of interesting boss fights or set pieces in general. You know things other games in the series have had..

Just the prologue and of course anything relating to story. It certainly couldn't be the repetitive level and mission design.

It could'nt be that TTP is'nt a good Metal Gear game. No

If MGS5 is boring for you, you're doing something VERY VERY wrong. Which Morma, Others and I have beaten over your head repeatedly. But you know, this is the cycle with you. Whine whine whine.

Is there any real point to playing this game stealthy? It seems like it's much easier to go guns blazing since the controls work, enemies won't get back up, and all together they aren't hard to kill.

maybe some ppl like playing it stealthy

And just for you, taco:

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S-rank. Non-Perfect because I was rushing to unlock F.O.B. STEALTH. Are you fucking happy, now?

nicca.

[Kara]

MGS2 was a fantastic game. The only way you can call it trash is if you care too much about the story.

They took away my 80s action movie and replaced it with an episode of the X-Files.

[Shadow Mod]

mgs

 

[Rahxephon91]

If MGS5 is boring for you, you're doing something VERY VERY wrong. Which Morma, Others and I have beaten over your head repeatedly. But you know, this is the cycle with you. Whine whine whine.

Or the game could just be bad. Oh no that could'nt be it.

Or maybe you just like:

Going to the same places over and over again.

Doing the same missions over and over again.

Having a plot that is hardly there and whats there is pointless.

Souless and boring characters.

Boss battles that are extermley generic. Oh boy did you just like strafing around as you rocket people!

Traversing a boring and now tedious open world to get to objectives.

Having to constantly fulton soldiers thus slowing the pace of the game just to unlock weapons so the game won't be more tedious then it already is.

A loudout system that is more limiting than anything. want to have two different pistols? Well fuck you.

A strange episode structure that feels disconnected from everything else.

If that's fun for you then I'm sorry, but the game is hardly great. Oh boy, the day to day gameplay is'nt crap. Too bad everything surrounding it is.

This nicca thinks the MGS fanbase enjoys MGS4 because of NeoGAF.

No I think Neogaf is a good reading of what the internet community thinks of games, since you know one it's one of the biggest video game forums..

Go look at the Snake Soup or any other fansite and you'll see there's complete legit critics against MGS4.

Um... I've been on the Snake Soup since bfore Ravi even stopped doing articles or it found it's now domain. MGS4 criticism isn't anything new. I was it's biggest critic on neogaf. It's still a pretty high ranked game everywhere regardless of one fansite's general views. Which aren't even that negative.

This is why MGS5 (and Peace Walker) was a break from that. Peace Walker was Kojima attempting to do a Monster Hunter title under the Metal Gear IP because Konami wouldn't let him do otherwise. MGS5 is expanding on that, tweaking it to be less hand-held and Monster Hunter-esque and still better than the bullshit that was MGS4.

PW is a shitty game and he should have never drawn from it.

And I don't know what this whining cycle you keep talking about. I'm pretty positive about games, it's you people who usually hate everything.

[Tasty]

Playing Evil Within for the first time in 10 months

Still as cool as ever

[Rahxephon91]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And just for you, taco:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(Image removed from quote.)

[close]

[close]

Ok? Why do I care that you S ranked a mission? I did'nt say you couldn't be stealthy. I asked what was the point? And I guess for score? I don't care about score.

Get mad because people don't like your game.

[Rahxephon91]

 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i like how I'm the one taking this serious and apparently being salty when all I'm putting out there in a pretty mellow and calm matter is my problems with the game, but thats the bore for you.

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[Mods Help]

Hey RahXephon.

[Rahxephon91]

Oh and Quiet is a POS character.

[Rahxephon91]

There's an ignore function, use it.

[ToxicAdam]

I knew stanning for Pink would pay off one day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/3jmxdm/pink_slams_2015_mtv_vmas_i_felt_embarrassed_and/cuqsoqt


(sarcasm)

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah shit posting. Someone doesn't agree with you so it must be shit posting and/or they are an idiot. Am I on GAF?

you'll be back to posting some more woe is me shit soon enough

Probably, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here. I'm just talking about a video game. I don't know why you people are allowed to keep repeating the same rhetoric about this series like people care, but I'm not. Hey whatever, I'll just allow this circle jerk to continue.

I guess MGS5 is a great game if you just ignore these problems some people may have, but lets just ignore that because they don't count for some reason.

[Broseidon]

Yeah shit posting. Someone doesn't agree with you so it must be shit posting and/or they are an idiot. Am I on GAF?

No, but you wish you were you whiny careposting bitch 

Stop posting, tia

[Rahxephon91]

Hey GAF seems to already be on the MGS5 hatetrain. It's what I wanted back in the MGS4 days.

[Phoenix Dark]

I knew stanning for Pink would pay off one day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/3jmxdm/pink_slams_2015_mtv_vmas_i_felt_embarrassed_and/cuqsoqt


(sarcasm)

She's not wrong. And neither are you.

dust heads unite

[king of the internet]

I almost got sucked into the peak launch hype for Metal Gear five, but then I recalled lessons previously learned (don't believe the hype  ) and decided to wait it out. Good call imo.

[WanderingWind]

I don't get hyped for shooty bang bang games, but MGSV is pretty neat. It opens with a flaming whale eating a helicopter. If that sounds stupid fun to you, you'll like MGSV. If it sounds stupid stupid to you, you'll likely hate MGSV.

[king of the internet]

I like MGS for the stealth action. The stories have always been just occasionally amusing goop for me. My problem is everything I've heard about the open world being a drag. I just don't have it in my to play these big, tedious open world games anymore. . Witcher, Mordor, Dragon Age...bough em all and made it halfway through at best.

[El Babua]

Haven't exposed myself to most of the reactions, but playing it right now it seems like it's the FFXII of MGS.

[toku]

Haven't exposed myself to most of the reactions, but playing it right now it seems like it's the FFXII of MGS.

This is actually a pretty apt comparison.

[benjipwns]

P!nk's got some good songs imo, even some of the ol' grrrrl power poppy hits.

I'll stan for her. Though her teaming up with the former lead singer of Alexisonfire to make a folk duo is still highly unnerving to me:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

She's also the best part of the Lady Marmalade remake tragedy. Fite me bros.

[close]

[toku]

Nah Pink did work, she got tracks for sure

[Mods Help]

I don't get hyped for shooty bang bang games, but MGSV is pretty neat. It opens with a flaming whale eating a helicopter. If that sounds stupid fun to you, you'll like MGSV. If it sounds stupid stupid to you, you'll likely hate MGSV.

What are you talking about?

I'm a massive Metal Gear fan and enjoyed the stories of 1-3. 1 and 3 immensely, and none of them have anything as remotely stupid as a psychic fire whale coming out of nowhere. I think the fire whale is fucking dumb but find the game to be a blast. The gameplay is fantastic, and nothing like what you described. In fact, the game is nothing like the intro, so basing enjoyment on the intro is silly.

[toku]

I definitely know who mods help is.

[Phoenix Dark]

Pink is basically saying Miley Cyrus is trash. I can't even hate. Imagine being a decent artist and watching that abortion lurch from opportunity to opportunity while displaying no talent or common sense. She's like a five year old whose mom is a stripper. She doesn't understand what those dance moves are or mean, she doesn't know what she's doing, but she's twerking in kindergarten class as everyone stares in disbelief.

Imagine being her business manager and watching her piss away easy money with this shit. Even Justin Bieber straightened up, what's her excuse.

[Mods Help]

I like MGS for the stealth action. The stories have always been just occasionally amusing goop for me. My problem is everything I've heard about the open world being a drag. I just don't have it in my to play these big, tedious open world games anymore. . Witcher, Mordor, Dragon Age...bough em all and made it halfway through at best.

MGSV is not open world. You navigate to locations via a menu. Locations are separated by that menu. The world is not interconnected or some giant big waste. People call it open world but it's more of a confined sandbox. Think the locations in MGS1-3 but all of it is unlocked when you visit and you can tackle missions in your own manner. That's MGSV. It's nothing like those tedious open world games (I hate them as well). In MGSV, everything is tied to getting you to your mission successfully completed. It just takes the reins off and lets you experiment. Whoever compares MGSV to open-world game likes GTA has not played MGSV. It's the same MGS, just with larger locales and the training wheels off.

[toku]

The prologue sucked but the fire whale was pretty cool only because it was a fire whale.

this is gonna sound weird, and seem kinda like a fetish but Kojimas...thing for dudes in military gear moving/operating was way cooler.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[toku]