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Fuck this dude.  I canít fucking stand these meme nazis. 
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Ok, since this is a real cultural debate, now:

https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1106633102808571906

Do people have a right to freely distribute information? Or does setting up online spaces to share unedited violence motivate people to become infamous? Doesn't the news already do that? I don't really know the answer to these questions.

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Fuck this dude.  I canít fucking stand these meme nazis.

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Amazing to me people would watch this shit. You guys who watch violence like that Jihadi John guy you mention are weird to me.

Iím not usually sensitive to these kinds of videos but there was just something different about it.

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Amazing to me people would watch this shit. You guys who watch violence like that Jihadi John guy you mention are weird to me.

Iím not usually sensitive to these kinds of videos but there was just something different about it.

Let me get this right: you're not usually sensitive of videos of people actually being murdered?


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as someone who enjoys ultraviolent media (gaming, film etc) and grew up in the wild west era of the internet watching kids watch dudes get beheaded in study room there's a line man. If you got dailymotion bookmarks, 8chan rss feeds and subbed to fucked subreddits like just...be better. There are more productive ways of being an edgelord, I promise. It's one thing to stubble onto photos of charred/bombed corpses. It's another to watch a video someone livestreamed of mass murder.

It's not about the strangling of the flow of information...it's about discouraging psychotic behavior. Reddit boldly considers it the "front page" of the internet. It shouldn't have fucking had a watch ppl die subbreddit in the first place.

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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.
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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.

Just because someone finds themselves compulsively drawn to violence doesn't mean they're "unhealthy". Maybe try to have a little empathy jeez

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I don't think you can prevent this sort of footage from being circulated on the internet. Unless you ban all user created content from the internet. People have these tools, they can do with it whatever they want.
An article used the term: "The internet is Pandora's box with no lid" and that's right. However, I wouldn't give up the freedom of the internet just because of a handful of these terrible events.

There have already been people who live streamed rape, murder, torture, suicide and other awful shit. Did you really think that it would stop with ISIS creating snuff films of their acts?
They merely inspired other fucked up people and groups to do the same thing. You can decide not to watch it (if you don't happen to stumble upon by accident and clicking #pewdiepie was pretty much enough to have the video autoplay in your social media feed) but you can't 'erase' or 'censor' it from history.

There's an interesting documentary on this subject with regards to the Iraq war. When at some point the groups prior to ISIS started to hand over video tapes of their acts to a journalist who tried to contact them.
(suicide bombings with trucks, beatings, kidnappings, raids on US troops, everything). As a journalist he was very conflicted about what to do with the footage and it really fucked him up.
At some point he pretty much filmed his own kidnapping and his meeting with the Jihadi's before they carried out their attacks.
It is called 'Only the dead' and it really sheds an interesting light on this subject: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3587396/
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I think the point was you can easily prevent yourself from watching the footage, not that you can prevent anyone else from seeing it (and wondering who would go out of their way to watch it in the first place)

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Fuck this dude.  I canít fucking stand these meme nazis.

Such a sack of shit
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It shouldn't have fucking had a watch ppl die subbreddit in the first place.

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r/gore   banned
r/wpdtalk   banned
r/Pewdiepie_Submissions   banned
r/PewDiePieSubmissions   private
r/offensivememes   quarantined
r/edgymemes   quarantined
r/imgoingtohellforthis   private, top mod suspended.
r/WPD   banned
r/SeePeopleKilled   banned

I'm surprised "I'm going to hell for this" isn't banned. Then again, it was sort of a "unpopularopinion"/edgy opinion board.

Reddit's major problem is being reactionary only when major news outlets happen to advertise those subreddits. imgoingtohellforthis was a "popular"/meme'd (/r/ reply) subreddit for over like 7-8 years. How couldn't reddit have known about it?

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now we will have to go to chans for our edgy memes and radicalization. :(
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Reddit's major problem is being reactionary only when major news outlets happen to advertise those subreddits. imgoingtohellforthis was a "popular"/meme'd (/r/ reply) subreddit for over like 7-8 years. How couldn't reddit have known about it?
Yup. Ad dollars at risk? Intervention. Been that way since r/jailbait was banned. Or even earlier.

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Amazing to me people would watch this shit. You guys who watch violence like that Jihadi John guy you mention are weird to me.

Iím not usually sensitive to these kinds of videos but there was just something different about it.

Let me get this right: you're not usually sensitive of videos of people actually being murdered?

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No. I mean I can go on /r/watchpeopledie and feel fine. Not sure if that makes me a psychopath or whatever lol.

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Reddit's major problem is being reactionary only when major news outlets happen to advertise those subreddits. imgoingtohellforthis was a "popular"/meme'd (/r/ reply) subreddit for over like 7-8 years. How couldn't reddit have known about it?
Yup. Ad dollars at risk? Intervention. Been that way since r/jailbait was banned. Or even earlier.

Honestly I might prefer reactive approches to preemptive ones (without going into specifics, I guess there's some stuff that should be common sense to not allow).
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Amazing to me people would watch this shit. You guys who watch violence like that Jihadi John guy you mention are weird to me.

Iím not usually sensitive to these kinds of videos but there was just something different about it.

Let me get this right: you're not usually sensitive of videos of people actually being murdered?

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No. I mean I can go on /r/watchpeopledie and feel fine. Not sure if that makes me a psychopath or whatever lol.

That's exactly my point though. You can watch people die and feel nothing. It's weird to me.

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He felt nothing jerking off in front of his sister as well, so it's obvious Nate is a fucking weirdo.

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Amazing to me people would watch this shit. You guys who watch violence like that Jihadi John guy you mention are weird to me.

Iím not usually sensitive to these kinds of videos but there was just something different about it.

Let me get this right: you're not usually sensitive of videos of people actually being murdered?

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No. I mean I can go on /r/watchpeopledie and feel fine. Not sure if that makes me a psychopath or whatever lol.

That's exactly my point though. You can watch people die and feel nothing. It's weird to me.

Itís years of conditioning on the internet. I was more of an edge lord in my youth. Iíve moved away from that but the inability to recognize that images on a computer screen are real still hasnít really kicked in all the way.

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that is weird. i would feel very excited doing that.
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That's exactly my point though. You can watch people die and feel nothing. It's weird to me.
I don't think it's a good thing to make a habit of, but it's also quite normal to feel nothing about. I used to be the guy that clicks every link, so I know from personal experience. You can too, probably, depending on a variety of factors, some damning to our sensibilities (i.e. do those dying look like us?). You might even be satisfied with the outcome and quitly think "good" if it's an agressor or whatever.
Hell, public executions are still around and nobody satisfied by the spectacle thinks of themselves as a psycho. The vast majority of them are correct.

See it this way. Most of our news are essentially rubbernecking. Crime, accidents, disasters and all manner of ominous hidden dangers that we have an instinctive need to know about. It helps us calibrate to our environment. Stare at the result and learn what not to do, where not to go, etc. What makes you a psycho is deriving sadistic pleasure from it.


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A part of me feels like people need to watch the video [to understand and internalize just how easily the shooter did what he did, how quickly it all happened, the devastating nature of gun violence, ect.], but on the other hand...I really don't want to watch that video after hearing the details.
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That's exactly my point though. You can watch people die and feel nothing. It's weird to me.
I don't think it's a good thing to make a habit of, but it's also quite normal to feel nothing about. I used to be the guy that clicks every link, so I know from personal experience. You can too, probably, depending on a variety of factors, some damning to our sensibilities (i.e. do those dying look like us?). You might even be satisfied with the outcome and quitly think "good" if it's an agressor or whatever.
Hell, public executions are still around and nobody satisfied by the spectacle thinks of themselves as a psycho. The vast majority of them are correct.

See it this way. Most of our news are essentially rubbernecking. Crime, accidents, disasters and all manner of ominous hidden dangers that we have an instinctive need to know about. It helps us calibrate to our environment. Stare at the result and learn what not to do, where not to go, etc. What makes you a psycho is deriving sadistic pleasure from it.

I think it's okay to watch the occasional video for clarification. I watched the murder of Tamir Rice by police for instance. I've also seen the murder video of Eric Garner. But willingly seeking videos of people being murdered? Seeing videos of people dying like that, I have zero want in me to pursue watching the Christchurch shooting. Guns are deadly force and not to be taken lightly. I know exactly what they can do and do not want to gawk at such brutality.

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Yeah, I hear you. Just trying to put things into perspective. Other people have a higher tolerance. I myself have long since had my fill. Don't even want to read about the grizzly details any more.

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I haven't seen this video nor do I care to see it.

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Stories of heroism from nyt:

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Abdul Aziz, 48, was in the Linwood mosque praying with his four sons when he heard gunshots. He immediately knew something was wrong.

Rather than running from the sound, he ran toward it and grabbed the first thing he could find ó a credit card machine ó and flung it at the attacker. He tried to distract the attacker in a move that many fellow worshippers have described as heroic, weaving through cars in the parking lot, attempting to draw the gunmanís attention away from the mosque.

Latef Alabi, the acting imam of Linwood, told the Associated Press he believed the death toll would have been far higher at the mosque without Mr. Azizís actions.

Mr. Aziz said he saw the attacker drop one of his guns and managed to grab it but when he pulled the trigger, the gun was empty. When the gunman went to his car, presumably to grab more ammunition, Mr. Aziz said he threw the gun at the assailantís windshield, shattering the glass. The assailant sped away.

Mr. Aziz remained humble, saying in an interview with The New York Times that anyone in his position would have done the same. ďI was prepared to give my life to save another life,Ē he said.
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Originally from Kabul, Afghanistan, Mr. Aziz lived in Australia for 27 years after having fled the violence of his home country. He moved to New Zealand a few years ago, describing it as a beautiful country.


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The most frightening element of the shooting is how he related it to the internet. Like I don't understand who or what would murder people for internet points while throwing out memes but it pushes the disregard for life even further.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/technology/facebook-youtube-christchurch-shooting.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

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Active shooter at the University of Michigan.

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police confirm no active shooter

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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.

Just because someone finds themselves compulsively drawn to violence doesn't mean they're "unhealthy". Maybe try to have a little empathy jeez

No, I'm quite fine with this judgment, especially considering all the other characteristics those that have admitted to watching it here consistently display.

Seek therapy.
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I'm sorry you find your need/"right" to have the lulz to supersede basic human empathy and not wanting to see other human beings lose their lives on camera. Again, this is not the behavior of a healthy human being. Seek therapy.
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 ??? I haven't watched the video, mate
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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.
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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.

Just because someone finds themselves compulsively drawn to violence doesn't mean they're "unhealthy". Maybe try to have a little empathy jeez

NARRATOR: Filler, in fact, is not a healthy person.

Transhuman, reflect on your own choice of words. Maybe it's a lack of empathy - itself unhealthy - that drives those who are "compulsively drawn to violence."

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filler's pretty normal when the veil drops, this other stuff is mostly escapism for him. well that's my take.

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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.
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It's not that if you watch this ogrish shit that you're a bad person.

It's that if you watch it you are by definition an unhealthy person.

Just because someone finds themselves compulsively drawn to violence doesn't mean they're "unhealthy". Maybe try to have a little empathy jeez

NARRATOR: Filler, in fact, is not a healthy person.

Transhuman, reflect on your own choice of words. Maybe it's a lack of empathy - itself unhealthy - that drives those who are "compulsively drawn to violence."

I am so empathetic that I try to not even hurt people in self-defence, whether physically or otherwise. There's quite a few who would consider that unreasonably pacifistic, or an unsustainable and foolish stance. Is self-abnegation unhealthy? Many would say yes. And sure, empathy is great- but most killers and rapists have empathy. That's not their problem.

Personally, I didn't watch the video. I assume nearly all of the people who did, did so because everyone was talking about it and they didn't want to feel left out, or there was a video on Facebook that started auto-playing. I'd guess the number of people who watched it because they desperately wanted to see someone ó anyone ó die, is minuscule. Not that there's anything wrong with that compulsion in isolation.

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filler's pretty normal when the veil drops, this other stuff is mostly escapism for him. well that's my take.

When I drop the veil it just gets worse : (

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filler's pretty normal when the veil drops, this other stuff is mostly escapism for him. well that's my take.

When I drop the veil it just gets worse : (
when you drop the veil  :nope
when you drop the egg  :ohyeah
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Seems there has been a shooting in Utrecht. (The Netherlands)

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Man I was in Utrecht 6 years ago

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Nintex taking his trolling too far.

Dutch Marrocan Mosque Organization telling Mosques in the neighbourhood to keep closed.

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Man I was in Utrecht 6 years ago

Stay safe.
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I watched an Utrecht FC match on TV 12 years ago

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I watched an Utrecht FC match on TV 12 years ago

I hope you had some money on it I wouldn't be caught dead watching an Eredivisie game. :yuck :trash

If not then you're the real terrorist here.

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I wonít begrudge others watching if they were Muslim.

One time I watched Brazilians kill a trans woman. They savagely beat her bloody and then dumped her into wheelbarrow to be carried off into an alley where she was murdered. They donít show the murder but they do show them running full blast while sheís in the wheelbarrow pleading for her life. I warched that to understand the pain people around the world who are lgbt suffer.

So I understand wanting to see the harsh reality of a situation if youíre close to it. Itís also why I watched the Tamir Rice video.

What I donít understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered. You arenít close to the situation, itís not relevant to you.

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Filler is a chud [cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller] who desperately wants to be relevant, but everybody knows he's unable to actually drive or even influence the conversation [unlike his idols etiolate and assimilate].
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What I donít understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered.

It's not overly complicated. People are drawn to things that are forbidden or taboo.

That's why banning or arresting people who distribute it are wrong-headed. It only makes the content more valuable and salacious to those who are drawn to that type of thing.


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3 people confirmed dead by mayor of Utrecht.

9 wounded of which another 3 are in a bad state.

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What I donít understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered. You arenít close to the situation, itís not relevant to you.
Humans suffering aren't relevant to you unless you share a race/color/creed/some other distinction?

That sure is something to say.  Isn't that kind of the problem with America (or most places)?  The people in charge only caring about other people like them...
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I wonít begrudge others watching if they were Muslim.

One time I watched Brazilians kill a trans woman. They savagely beat her bloody and then dumped her into wheelbarrow to be carried off into an alley where she was murdered. They donít show the murder but they do show them running full blast while sheís in the wheelbarrow pleading for her life. I warched that to understand the pain people around the world who are lgbt suffer.

So I understand wanting to see the harsh reality of a situation if youíre close to it. Itís also why I watched the Tamir Rice video.

What I donít understand are people who would go to those violence subreddits or liveleak and willingly look for violent videos of people being murdered. You arenít close to the situation, itís not relevant to you.

Oh so will telling you I come from a Palestinian-Muslim background make you stop thinking less of me for watching the video?

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People couldn't possibly think any less of you anyways. Don't worry.

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Seems the suspect in the Utrecht shootings has been caught. Hope they got the right guy.

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Nintex hasn't posted so my hope is he's dead, but it's just as likely he was the shooter