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[Nintex]

"Maybe we don't want infants to get shot while we're shopping" seems like an easy thing to get behind much like: "hey we'd rather not have our kids die at school" regardless of your political positions.
The US bombed a Syrian airfield because 'beautiful babies were dying'. Yet, doesn't do anything when kids get shot on their own soil.


 

[Transhuman]

It's not Trump's bullshit sadly, it's your country's. Too much money to be made, too much apathy. Trust me, soon it'll be back to business as usual, and then someday in the future it'll be three massacres on the same day.

[agrajag]

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https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1157796523016691714

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[Transhuman]

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https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1157796523016691714

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You never heard of someone lying for attention?

[agrajag]

if his lying earns him a visit from the FBI, then that's great

[Mandark]

re: the "mental health" tangent from earlier*

If we put responsibility for preventing these shootings on the mental health system, that wouldn't just be about more resources, access, a "holistic" approach, etc. It would be about making the system a lot more invasive, giving MH professionals broad leeway to institutionalize people against their will and strong incentives to do so. Any therapist will tell you how useless the exercise is for patients who aren't open to it at the time, and lots of patients can attest to how hard it is to get someone to listen to you when you've been committed and feel you're okay to leave.

There would be a lot of people basically being incarcerated in an effort to use mental health as a sort of Minority Report lite surveillance program, and a whole infrastructure built up to support it with no guarantee of results.

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*I'll read Settlers before I read the last couple pages of this thread

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[ToxicAdam]

There's a huge gulf between providing free mental health care (and aggressively promoting it) to people of that age and having them institutionalized.

In fact, that shouldn't even be an option. It would undermine people from seeking help in the first place if that were a potential outcome.

[Madrun Badrun]

I mean you are right in spirit but I doubt that will happen in practice, which I think was his point - that while it might prevent some of this, it wouldn't prevent a lot of it without powers to institutionalize and the result of framing this issue as one about mental illness will result in a system of forced institutionalization. 

[Boredfrom]

re: the "mental health" tangent from earlier*

If we put responsibility for preventing these shootings on the mental health system, that wouldn't just be about more resources, access, a "holistic" approach, etc. It would be about making the system a lot more invasive, giving MH professionals broad leeway to institutionalize people against their will and strong incentives to do so. Any therapist will tell you how useless the exercise is for patients who aren't open to it at the time, and lots of patients can attest to how hard it is to get someone to listen to you when you've been committed and feel you're okay to leave.

There would be a lot of people basically being incarcerated in an effort to use mental health as a sort of Minority Report lite surveillance program, and a whole infrastructure built up to support it with no guarantee of results.

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I’m sorry, but this sound dangerous close to this:

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949580/amp

[Nintex]

Yup, males age 20 - 30 with mental conditions would just be locked up to protect the rest of society.
Not much different from the 'super predators' or the kids carrying a bit of weed of the past.

That and wholesale internet and media censorship is the direction this is headed.

[Mandark]

There's a huge gulf between providing free mental health care (and aggressively promoting it) to people of that age and having them institutionalized.

In fact, that shouldn't even be an option. It would undermine people from seeking help in the first place if that were a potential outcome.

It's already a potential outcome! Look it up in your state code.

[Boredfrom]

Yup, males age 20 - 30 with mental conditions would just be locked up to protect the rest of society.
Not much different from the 'super predators' or the kids carrying a bit of weed of the past.

That and wholesale internet and media censorship is the direction this is headed.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949580/amp

[Himu]

Texas lieutenant gov cites a "factor" in mass shootings: We "won't let our kids even pray in our schools" pic.twitter.com/BIsKQdFUGV

— TPM Livewire (@TPMLiveWire) August 4, 2019

https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/1158054142390284293

 

Hey Bore say hi to Dan Patrick

[ToxicAdam]

It's already a potential outcome! Look it up in your state code.

Isn't that a holdover from the past mental health care system where that kind of thing was socially acceptable? It seems incredibly rare to hear about that happening today. Professionals are too afraid of lawyers to be so bold.

[agrajag]

Police said they do not have a motive for Betts’ deadly rampage, but Masseth and other classmates said he expressed violent attitudes going back a decade.

Word spread quickly in 2010 about the lists of 15 classmates he wanted to “rape or kill” in a notebook he carried around, Masseth said.

“He had a kill list that was mostly guys and then a rape list that was mostly girls,” Masseth said, adding that he also texted her the list to prove she was on it. “The lists basically had any girl who turned him down, any girl who thought they were above him, and any guy that was competition or was seen as a threat.”

Masseth, who said she was “not one of the popular girls,” was shocked when she started to get Betts’ texts naming her as one of the girls on his “rape list.” The texts, she said, made it seem like Betts had a “God complex mixed with ‘Iwantattention.’”

Masseth said she doesn’t even remember having a full conversation with him, but later heard rumors he was “attached to her.”

“In the texts, and on the lists, he talked about destruction and dismemberment. I mean how did the police not know he was going to do something like what he did this weekend?” she said. “Everyone knew he was not right.”

After “countless texts” and growing concern in school about the lists, Masseth said she finally told her father, who encouraged her to contact the authorities.

Police officers pulled Betts off a school bus as they headed to school, a former classmate told The Washington Post. Masseth said police questioned Betts about the hit lists and he was suspended from school.

The following year he returned to school, she said. When she graduated in 2012, Betts was still “not right.”

“He basically got a slap on the wrist,” she said. “If he was only held accountable, this shooting would have never happened because he wouldn’t have been able to buy any firearms. There are levels of failure here.”

Police declined to comment on the purported lists, citing the “ongoing investigation” into Betts’ mass murder. Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Sunday that Betts had no criminal record as an adult.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/classmate-says-dayton-shooter-connor-betts-targeted-her-in-high-school-we-predicted-he-would-do-this?source=articles&via=rss

[Mandark]

Isn't that a holdover from the past mental health care system where that kind of thing was socially acceptable?

Nope!

[Madrun Badrun]

8chan's server provider cut them off.  Its a start at least.   
https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

[Leadbelly]

I notice video games have been brought up again.

[Leadbelly]

I think the problem is white people

When you scroll down quickly and see that avatar...

[thisismyusername]

[Leadbelly]

It's alright. We prevent it by banning violent video games.

[Vizzys]

banning videogames and message boards should fix this mass shooting problem

[team filler]

ban messageboards and kill us 

[Occam]

Enact similar firearm laws as Great Britain, Germany or any number of civilized nations have. There, that was simple. Problem solved.
Who knew the solution to too many, too easily accessible firearms would be to drastically reduce the number of firearms and making them hard to buy for private citizens?
Why didn't anyone point this out before?

The Holy Second Amendment (as personally decreed by Jesus) is being purposely misunderstood anyway, it's about having an armed militia to fend off colonial opressors. If it was about having an actual way to topple an evil government, then private citizens should be allowed to own nuclear arms.

[ToxicAdam]

Removing guns from america doesn't wash away the affect Splatoon has had on our children, though.

[toku]

Uruguay today issued a travel warning to its citizens visting the United States of America, citing �growing violence� fueled by �racism and discrimination� that American �authorities are unable to prevent� due to �indiscriminate� gun ownership. Let that sink in for a minute. pic.twitter.com/M0u6520caL

— Rep. Dean Phillips ?? (@RepDeanPhillips) August 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/RepDeanPhillips/status/1158511937103323148

[benjipwns]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/dayton-shooter-pornogrind-band

The man who killed nine and injured 27 in a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, was the lead singer of a "pornogrind" metal band, a genre defined by its explicit subject matter and themes of gore and violence, specifically sexual violence and necrophilia, BuzzFeed News has learned.

The gunman, identified as 24-year-old Connor Betts, was a member of Menstrual Munchies, a three-person band that performed regularly in the Midwest death metal scene, recently appearing as one of the bands at the Summer Massacre 2 concert in Chicago on June 29.

Pornogrind is a subgenre of a fast and extreme kind of heavy metal called grindcore, which is known for its mostly dark, satirical themes of sexual violence and gore delivered for shock value.

The band's song titles are explicitly sexually violent, such as "Preteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter" and "Cunt Stuffed With Medical Waste - Sexual Abuse Of A Teenage Corpse." The album art is equally explicit. One album cover shows a woman consuming feces, while another shows an illustration of a young woman's headless body chained to a bed, covered in blood, as a man puts his pants back on.

Musicians in this genre posted messages online saying they were disgusted by Betts's actions.

[agrajag]

great we're back to 1999, when politicians blame mass shootings on video games and shock metal

[Madrun Badrun]

I can believe that headbanging causes mental disfunction. 

[agrajag]

it does cause cervical spine herniation which is why I stopped years ago

[Huff]

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose�

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) August 4, 2019

https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928

This is actually really bad data, esp the 500 deaths per medical errors btw

[Transhuman]

Holy shit at Trump's smooth-over:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-speech-today-death-penalty-mass-shooting-el-paso-dayton-ohio-white-supremacy-a9040046.html

Now it's about the death penalty instead.

[headwalk]

if you execute everyone who commits a mass shooting, eventually there will be no mass shooters left.

[Nintex]

if you execute everyone who commits a mass shooting, eventually there will be no mass shooters left.

The US is implementing their very successful Afghanistan strategy at home.
If you had a dispute with your neighbor or wanted his daughter or free real estate for your own you would just tell the US that he was a member of Al Qaeda.
He would be bagged and shipped to Guantanamo without trial and if he resisted a late night break-in of his home he was probably a bad guy anyway.

In 10 or 20 years time some big 'scandal' will emerge that not everyone executed by the Trump administration crackdown on Antifaaaa, MS-13, Black Live Matters and White Supremacists was actually a Nazi 

I can't believe the news media and those calling for these executions are this dumb, oh wait, I can believe it 
They're basically signaling to Trump that if he wants to be reelected he just needs to increase his K/D ratio.

[Mandark]

trying so hard to construct a scenario where pepes are the real victims after a racist mass shooting

trying so so hard

sit down nintex

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.cbsnews.com/

[ToxicAdam]

Maybe there will be a market one day for flagpoles that are set at permanent half-staff.

[MMaRsu]

Sad to see rightwing media blame video gaming once again.. war..war never changes

[Great Rumbler]

I wonder what Jack Thompson is doing these days?

[Nuitangg]

I recall even Hillary blamed games in the past. 

[Leadbelly]

#BREAKING - @HCSOSheriff has arrested this 31-year-old man for threatening to �shoot up� the @Walmart in Hillsborough County. His mom worked at the Walmart. HCSO says he was intrigued by the #ElPasoShooting and #DaytonOhioShooting @10NewsWTSP pic.twitter.com/ymMEJoM3R7

— Angelina Salcedo (@AngelinaOnTV) August 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/AngelinaWTSP/status/1158199254684487680

Hmmm... intriguing.... I need to try this mass shooting thing some time.

He also looks like Jack Black's ugly brother.

[Leadbelly]

great we're back to 1999, when politicians blame mass shootings on video games and shock metal

It's just a distraction from talk of gun control.

[MMaRsu]

I wonder what Jack Thompson is doing these days?

Wasn't he disbarred?

[Rufus]

This is actually really bad data, esp the 500 deaths per medical errors btw

[Cerveza mas fina]

If only this had happened in an open carry state the shooter could have been stopped

[Cerveza mas fina]

I have been listening reading seeing americans cry over shootings for like 3 decades now and still no change I honestly don't care anymore

[team filler]

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https://twitter.com/TheNewThinkerr/status/1158361657762078721

They may have always been, but nothing like since he's been in office. No mass shootings within 24hrs of each other and after a week of his racial remarks. I'm a white american and am ashamed. You have no idea the hate he has instilled in us. Keep your snarky remarks to yourself.

— Stephanie M Infanti (@StephanieMInfa2) August 6, 2019

https://twitter.com/StephanieMInfa2/status/1158850151940808710

 

[agrajag]

shut up, black man, and listen to me, a soccer mom!

[team filler]

non whites have no idea about the hate whites have inside of them 

[benjipwns]

I don't think that's the real Dr. Manhattan.

[benjipwns]

He also did this on a first date:

An ex-girlfriend of the Ohio gunman who killed nine people says he showed her a video of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting on their first date.

[TEEEPO]

the nra, that's why :'(

[Nintex]

"Just shoot them when they are sick puppies and try to buy a gun. Especially if they are white and supremacist. The guy in the gun store already has the guns so that is actually something that is very easy to do yet no one is talking about it"
 

[Mandark]

But then could they also be held liable for a gun being used in a robbery

Sure.

How about a suicide?

Okay.

How do you prove the person showed signs they shouldn't have a gun at the time of purchase?

Don't need to.

How do you reconcile this with someone's right to have their arrest record sealed?

Not my problem.

[OnlyRegret]

He also did this on a first date:

An ex-girlfriend of the Ohio gunman who killed nine people says he showed her a video of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting on their first date.

apparently he can't repel women even if he tries on the first date

[Mandark]

Honestly, I think a gun shop owner should have some ideas when someone comes in looking for AKs, banana mags, and armor.

I think the arms dealer's position would be that those items are like mall swords: stuff you sell to nerds so they can cosplay and feel like badasses, and which almost nobody actually has a practical use for.

[Mandark]

The way that would actually pan out is that people would just stop selling guns to black people. Anyway the only full measure is a constitutional amendment, so we should just go for gold and do that, because setting the bar too low just draws the debate out over an even longer period. I accept your gun seller liability only because it would genuinely cripple the gun market, not because it's well thought out policy.

if there was bad post liability this one would have increased your premiums

[benjipwns]

you know what you did

[Madrun Badrun]

There are no sides in the snark war. 

[Great Rumbler]

BAN ALL THE GUNS

AND KILL THEM