VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Broseidon]

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

[Boredfrom]

So it's not the mod team you have trouble with but a specific mod?

Nah, the mod team has issues as a whole. The fact that Besada is still there is just another clear symptom.

Neogaf staff is much better than it was ten years ago. Again, I was banned for thinking Big was a creepy movie. If you think gaf is bad now....? You used to be banned by...who was that guy? The guy who made monthly game release threads. You'd be banned by him for bumping a week old thread in the gaf of 2005 because "it's better to make new threads". I've been a thread maker ever since.

TBH your complaints just seem small to me. I've seen gaf grow over the past ten+ years and if you think this is bad then LOL.

Today's gaf staff is pretty good. Certainly has some issues but overall? Much better than it used to be.

People still get banned or juniored because necrobumps.

[Rufus]

Neogaf was for a long time, and still is to a certain extent the online face of our industry and its fans

Receipts plz

GAF used to be the place where you could go to get an insight about what fans thought about your games and actually interact with them outside of the community manager led publisher forums. People in the industry used to point at GAF as a place to pay attention to, where fans could often get early info about their favorite titles. It's the biggest video game message board on the internet, and to that extent it has a large influence, an influence it doesn't deserve any more.

Isn't it accepted opinion here that it's long since become a laughing stock?

[stufte]

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

Why do you care?

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I joined 21 month ago, so you must not be talking about me

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Isn't it accepted opinion here that it's long since become a laughing stock?

Yah, but there are still plenty of people who don't understand the shit hole that it is now. The name still has a lot of sway.

[Himu]

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

[daemon]

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

A post like this gets you banned on GAF

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about amirox, me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

Used to be a mod who scammed the community to get high, didn't even change his life choices and is still immune to perma, lol.

[Boredfrom]

TBH your complaints just seem small to me.

Also, dunno but editing and deleting posts for no reason than calling a mod out is probably one of the worst moderations sins, at least by the perspective of a community member.

[Momo]

I think at least we can all agree someone needs to stop the tyranny of the vile Steve Youngblood

[stufte]

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about amirox, me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

There were once TWO amirox? The horror.

[benjipwns]

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Please visit this dumpster fire of a thread 

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Safe-space dumpster fire

[Himu]

Does it really?

The fact that formerly perma banned members like Crushed, Borys, or myself can get new accounts and still make it (extremely far in Crushed's case) shows that maybe there's something wrong with your posting? In my experience, gaf staff are willing to look over your past as long as you show that you've put effort into your posts and don't slink back into old, bad habits. They're willing to give multiple chances as long as you put more value into their board.

Honestly, I haven't seen any value from a lot of you new posters besides 2leet. All I see is a bunch of bitching so it's going to make me assume that's how you're like on gaf as well.

[Himu]

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about amirox, me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

There were once TWO amirox? The horror.

the amirox rivalry runs deep

[Himu]

TBH your complaints just seem small to me.

Also, dunno but editing and deleting posts for no reason than calling a mod out is probably one of the worst moderations sins, at least by the perspective of a community member.

well, that's bad but it's the only thing you've got right now and it's against only one staff member.

triple post

[daemon]

"I guess there's a defense force for everything" 

[james]

The fact that I, a beloved and wildly popular poster, was permed shows the system is broken

[Boredfrom]

TBH your complaints just seem small to me.

Also, dunno but editing and deleting posts for no reason than calling a mod out is probably one of the worst moderations sins, at least by the perspective of a community member.

well, that's bad but it's the only thing you've got right now and it's against only one staff member.

triple post

Well, is not the only thing and this whole thread (and past Neogaf bitching threads) has cases of mods misconducting themselves. When I got permabanned I didnt even knew by who or for what I was banned, the ony message was the "you are not fit to be in GAF" withouth a hinting what I did ever do. My other bans were because "concern trolling" or, in other words, disagreeing without being insulting so they need to name it something to justify it.

[FunSlower]

one of my bans (which when I drilled down, ended up being because I posted a picture of a Minion) simply said "as if deleting your posts wasn't a clear enough message" - I had no idea my shit was being deleted.

[I'm a Puppy!]

People complaining about GAF in a thread about GAF? Why I never!

[FunSlower]

the refusal to engage with people to curb bad behavior is probably the biggest issue. mods would rather click it and wrap it up and get rid of it instead of fix it going forwards. That's the heart of the issue I see. make a policy - stick it to everyone - and engage people when they do bad things. and add a goddamn Report Post button for snitches.

[zomgee]

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about amirox, me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

There were once TWO amirox? The horror.

One of them has a goatee.

[Let's Cyber]

The fact that I, a beloved and wildly popular poster, was permed shows the system is broken

Shut up Dennis.

Oh, wait...

[stufte]

amirox used to be a mod ten years ago.

let me tell you a story about amirox, me, okami, and amirox egging me on off site, ultimately me getting perma banned. 

There were once TWO amirox? The horror.

One of them has a goatee.

So Thomas Amirox, from the transporter accident?

[Optimus]

TBH your complaints just seem small to me.

Also, dunno but editing and deleting posts for no reason than calling a mod out is probably one of the worst moderations sins, at least by the perspective of a community member.

well, that's bad but it's the only thing you've got right now and it's against only one staff member.

triple post

Well, is not the only thing and this whole thread (and past Neogaf bitching threads) has cases of mods misconducting themselves. When I got permabanned I didnt even knew by who or for what I was banned, the ony message was the "you are not fit to be in GAF" withouth a hinting what I did ever do. My other bans were because "concern trolling" or, in other words, disagreeing without being insulting so they need to name it something to justify it.

"Concern trolling" is a goto phrase to silence dissent in authoritarian hugboxes. So you're "trolling" by offering a different opinion about the path the discussion/the ideology/the prevailing opinion has taken? Do these morons even know what trolling means?

[james]

I wonder if the moderators miss me

[bork]

There is a problem with the moderation there.  Hence multiple forum off-shoots and multiple threads like this one that have been going on for like 12 years now, dating back to Opa-Age.  They have a TOS, but it goes ignored and people will get banned for stating an opinion.  Not a dictatorship?  LOL...that's exactly what it is.  It's a private forum and the guy running it and his mods have absolute control over everything.

And let's not get started on the clique shit that went on in IRC.

That said...there's obviously also a problem with a lot of posters, too. 

All the wrestling thread does is roleplay as wrestlers (yes really)

 

I think you mean

[sarslip]

[railGUN]

This thread 

NeoGAF has good moderation 

Internet serius bizness 

Go fishing, nerds.

[thisismyusername]

ITT: Smash isn't a fighting game, confirmed.

[Let's Cyber]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

[id0it]

bitching about people who bitch about neogaf is the bore's version of "came for gaming, stayed for the ot"

[benjipwns]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

I SAID MY BAD SRY

[helios]

Free Creepy Stalker

[Raist]

GAF moderation was a lot worse 10 years ago?

Are we talking about a completely different forum also named GAF I've not heard about? Because if not, then lulz.

[thisismyusername]

Neogaf was for a long time, and still is to a certain extent the online face of our industry and its fans

Receipts plz

GAF used to be the place where you could go to get an insight about what fans thought about your games and actually interact with them outside of the community manager led publisher forums. People in the industry used to point at GAF as a place to pay attention to, where fans could often get early info about their favorite titles. It's the biggest video game message board on the internet, and to that extent it has a large influence, an influence it doesn't deserve any more.

Except GAF is a joke now, so I'm not sure why you can't:



(And I say that with respect)

/And yes, I did read your reply: Still...

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

Wait, when did I register again? *check*

I'm safe from your wrath.
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More seriously though: GAF's moderation has ALWAYS been a joke. There's no defending it. "Good Moderators now" or not.

[etiolate]

yah gaf is dying

pretty much reaping what it's sown for years

its hits/activity dropping and the community is a madhouse, so there's nothing said on the forum that surprises me anymore

[stufte]

Neogaf was for a long time, and still is to a certain extent the online face of our industry and its fans

Receipts plz

GAF used to be the place where you could go to get an insight about what fans thought about your games and actually interact with them outside of the community manager led publisher forums. People in the industry used to point at GAF as a place to pay attention to, where fans could often get early info about their favorite titles. It's the biggest video game message board on the internet, and to that extent it has a large influence, an influence it doesn't deserve any more.

Except GAF is a joke now, so I'm not sure why you can't:



(And I say that with respect)

/And yes, I did read your reply: Still...

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

Wait, when did I register again? *check*

I'm safe from your wrath.
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More seriously though: GAF's moderation has ALWAYS been a joke. There's no defending it. "Good Moderators now" or not.

Thanks for getting that song re-stuck in my head ya cunt.

[FStop7]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

That's been a more recent trend.  Still SMH at that "black people = apes" post from Dennis4K.  Never really expected to see that shit here.

[stufte]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

That's been a more recent trend.  Still SMH at that "black people = apes" post from Dennis4K.  Never really expected to see that shit here.

wtf? when did that happen?

[Dennis]

Oh for fucks sake

[stufte]

I knew there was a reason I haven't upgraded to 4k yet. The racism.

[FStop7]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

That's been a more recent trend.  Still SMH at that "black people = apes" post from Dennis4K.  Never really expected to see that shit here.

wtf? when did that happen?

Like a week ago.  The post got deleted.

Free Creepy Stalker

still too expensive

[Himu]

dennis4k said that now that bish isn't admin now you could hang the bct posters.

[Rahxephon91]

Does it really?

The fact that formerly perma banned members like Crushed, Borys, or myself can get new accounts and still make it (extremely far in Crushed's case) shows that maybe there's something wrong with your posting? In my experience, gaf staff are willing to look over your past as long as you show that you've put effort into your posts and don't slink back into old, bad habits. They're willing to give multiple chances as long as you put more value into their board.

Honestly, I haven't seen any value from a lot of you new posters besides 2leet. All I see is a bunch of bitching so it's going to make me assume that's how you're like on gaf as well.

Not mods like Kagari.

[helios]

still too expensive

sadface

[zomgee]

dennis4k said that now that bish isn't admin now you could hang the bct posters.

Have you ever had to fart really bad but once you farted and everyone thought "ew, fart" so you left and found someplace to fart and the whole place smelled like farts but it was ok because it was your fart place, but then one time you farted and a little poop came out? That poop is Dennis4K. I mean you're still gonna fart but now you know better.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226545627&postcount=332

You mean the god that explicitly picked one race of people and religion above all others and ordered them to kick out/kill everyone that wasn't their race/religion and is the main dude in a book full of rape and sexual assaults? 

I'm an atheist and I think the concept of God is full of shit. Let me explain to you what God surely thinks !

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes

Let's be honest, this thread is terrible, purely negative and we would all live more fulfilling lives by not partaking in it.
But the material can be so fun tho !

But yeah, that voat "sense of humour" is better left to them and out of here.

[FunSlower]

LOL Kagari

I'll never forget that FF13 meltdown. wish I could find it

[Great Rumbler]

dennis4k said that now that bish isn't admin now you could hang the bct posters.

Have you ever had to fart really bad but once you farted and everyone thought "ew, fart" so you left and found someplace to fart and the whole place smelled like farts but it was ok because it was your fart place, but then one time you farted and a little poop came out? That poop is Dennis4K. I mean you're still gonna fart but now you know better.

This is accurate.

[Boredfrom]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

You know, you could just say that bitching about Gizmondo and Jezebel without some sort of revelancy to bitching about GAF is probably bad for the already low standards of this thread that we love to hate.

I'm sure as hell I entered today to the Bore to read about people laughing of Kanyegaf trying to pretend that there is a deep down reason to him meeting Trump outside of attention whoring.

[Averon]

Ever since Bish was demodded, the level of discourse in the OT feels more open. I'm seeing less bans for posters that go against the "popular opinion" in a thread. Makes me think that 'Lore sent down an order to the mods to stop being so ban happy and Bish disagreed with that new direction, hence, he's no longer a mod.

[Boredfrom]

Kanye West and Trump really like the attention, don't they?

[zomgee]

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

I know, goddamned Chicago Cubs.

[stufte]

Man, just saw all the replies to my post a few pages ago.

No conservative ever got banned just for being a conservative. No Bernie Bro ever got banned for supporting Bernie. When it comes to politics, people get banned for shitty posts or deplorable opinions. A lot of Trump voters got the axe because they eventually outed themselves as deplorables. A few Bernie Bros got the axe for posting walls of verbal vomit and complete insanity.

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

Sure no one ever got banned (that I know of) for merely existing on the site as a conservative. Sanders supporters weren't banned just because they supported their candidate, but when people get banned for disagreeing with the method of which the BLM protesters took over the Sanders rally early in the election, well... what are people supposed to think?

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324791

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226531369&postcount=25

The thing is that he doesn't listen to these more broad rationalizations, he wants specific details about what we think Russia would do if they are indeed influencing Trump and his cabinet.

Wow how terrible, he's asking that you actually make your case !?
I mean, OP's dad is maybe dim-witted, fine with with some despotism (at least from afar) or unreasonable but most Gaffers advice on first page is either guilt him with extreme slippery slope comparisons or gotcha questions when it's not clear that OP really argued his opinion very deep at all.

Just ask back, if they would allow any other country to influence politics. Bonus points for using China or a Muslim country.

Not sure an Indonesian would get freaked at the mention of a MUSLIM COUNTRY.

Mariolee, ask your dad what the point was of August 17th, 1945. For real, ask him that question and then ask him why people die so things can be signed that day.

Did you explain that the US fought a bloody revolution several hundred years ago to not be in a situation where another country was in charge?

Guys I know Trump is terrible but you're not colonized by Russia yet...

He says Russia has nothing to do with Syria. It's all the U.S.'s fault.

Just reference Ukraine, then. Can't deflect that blame.

...and they're not in the same dynamic as those examples either.

How about they're moving the needle closer to an absolute monarchy, which happens to be the right's endgame.

 

Why not then use a historical example of the Manchurian Candidate and what they did? Because this is pretty much that.

[etiolate]

The way it worked Jack is that showing a non-liberal or wrongthink view gets you put on a list. Whenever you impinge on some rule in any way, you get banned for being on that list. Meanwhile, showcasing certain "right" opinions means you get to sidestep various rules over and over. Still, there's cases where no rule is violated but a wrong think is espoused and a banning occurs.

The enforcement of rules on the forum has largely been arbitrary for the entire history of the forum.

FWIW, if you want an actual example then I was perma'd for disagreeing with a forum policy and pointing out that it leads to more terrible thread production. I disagreed directly in response to Tyler and I pointed out how people view the forum in real life. I didn't violate a rule except the unspoken rule of don't disagree with the admin.

[benjipwns]

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

The people spoke.

Democracy, whiskey, sexy!

[benjipwns]

Why not then use a historical example of the Manchurian Candidate and what they did? Because this is pretty much that.

I assume by historical, he means the superior 1962 "history reel" rather than the fictional 2004 film.

[FStop7]

Are we strictly talking about bans for political reasons or are there outright denials of bullshit bans on the whole?  Because if it's the latter then someone needs to go read up about what happened to Anti-Monitor.

[railGUN]

I caught a ban once, for replying to someone who had suggested the size of the thread (that we were posting in) meant that the subject matter was important.

I pointed out to said person, that the reason the thread was so big, was because they, and 1 other person's posts constituted 30% of the entire thread. They literally replied to any and all dissenting opinion, and to any and every agreeing opinion.

I was banned for "meta-commentary". I had broken a rule that didn't exist.

Oh, the person who brought up said suggestion, starting this meta-commentary in the first place, was...

wait for it...

... not banned.

That was my 2nd ban in 10 years. My next was a perm 

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226544559&postcount=4

T-T-TRIGGERED.