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« Reply #12960 on: January 20, 2018, 12:23:39 AM »
congrats on finally taking down the government benji
i have to say i was shocked after my presentation when Chuck Schumer broke the silence and said "well, your logic is completely impeccable, the state truly is the source of all our major conflicts in society, as the people's representatives we have to do what's best" and they left

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« Reply #12961 on: January 20, 2018, 12:33:41 AM »
I took Odummer 5 years to shutdown the government, but Trump was able to do it in 1.  :american
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« Reply #12962 on: January 20, 2018, 12:37:14 AM »
Trump could have had his Wall but his racism denied it.

Hilarious.


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« Reply #12964 on: January 20, 2018, 12:52:42 AM »
I can't believe killary shut down the government.  :trumps

So glad I vote for Ross Perot every year.

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« Reply #12965 on: January 20, 2018, 12:55:37 AM »
McConnell: "I wasn't first in my class. But I wasn't last, either."

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« Reply #12966 on: January 20, 2018, 12:57:20 AM »
Oh shit an Atmosphere fan

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« Reply #12967 on: January 20, 2018, 12:59:23 AM »
Oh shit an Atmosphere fan

Hello, I apologize I am from the Midwest (tm), we do not have crime or poverty. Again sorry for our low taxes and affordable living.

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« Reply #12968 on: January 20, 2018, 01:03:11 AM »
Heh, Monday will be interesting... we’ve gotten none of the furlough paperwork from the dod as of Friday, some poor saps are going to be working like mad to crank it out for the workweek (gov civilians need to sign some shit on the first day of a furlough).

My office is going to be empty as fuck. Oh well I guess I can catch up on some admin shit 🎻🤷‍♂️
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« Reply #12969 on: January 20, 2018, 01:33:52 AM »
Oh shit an Atmosphere fan

Hello, I apologize I am from the Midwest (tm), we do not have crime or poverty. Again sorry for our low taxes and affordable living.

Post your favorite dem atlas track or we don't believe you

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« Reply #12970 on: January 20, 2018, 01:37:05 AM »

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« Reply #12971 on: January 20, 2018, 01:40:11 AM »
My property taxes are $1,100 for the year....

Edit: I literally just got the invoice in the mail today. Fite me.
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« Reply #12972 on: January 20, 2018, 02:16:36 AM »
My Midwestern (very red) State has terrible property taxes. My rate this year was like 2.8%

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« Reply #12973 on: January 20, 2018, 02:20:46 AM »
My property taxes are $1,100 for the year....

Edit: I literally just got the invoice in the mail today. Fite me.

Government’s shutdown, you don’t gotta pay.
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« Reply #12974 on: January 20, 2018, 02:25:34 AM »
My Midwestern (very red) State has terrible property taxes. My rate this year was like 2.8%

I was actually sad to find out the base rate was 2% instead of 1. There is a town nearby where the tax rate is HYUGE (comparatively). I thought I avoided these oppressive LIBERAL taxes going to schools and other bullshit by living in the middle of God's country. I didn't realise Jesus needs his cut too.

My property taxes are $1,100 for the year....

Edit: I literally just got the invoice in the mail today. Fite me.

Government’s shutdown, you don’t gotta pay.

I'm going to protest the shutdown by not paying my property taxes. That will work, right?

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« Reply #12975 on: January 20, 2018, 11:16:22 AM »
Oh shit an Atmosphere fan

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« Reply #12976 on: January 20, 2018, 12:12:53 PM »
Read some Twitter thingies. Apparently Trump wanted to do a deal after Schumer gave him the wall but Kelly and Miller didn't
https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/954591464377540608

And Ryan didn't want McConnell to make a deal
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/954739668737765376
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« Reply #12977 on: January 20, 2018, 12:30:52 PM »
The greatest deal-maker.
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« Reply #12978 on: January 20, 2018, 12:31:49 PM »
Politicians will politician

Also for super smart tough guy Trump seems like very easily suggestible. Basically the last person to have alone time with him gets their way.

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« Reply #12980 on: January 20, 2018, 02:21:19 PM »
Lol, I don’t think that is how it works.

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« Reply #12981 on: January 20, 2018, 02:30:09 PM »
The only people that can fix this situation.... Spicey and the Mooch.

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« Reply #12982 on: January 20, 2018, 07:05:26 PM »
Trump isn't completlely wrong of the shit hole countries though.

I mean, fuck. I was in the supermarket and this fucking shit puts all her groceries on the table for the cashier and leaves the cart right in front of me. She didn't even think twice of removing it, moving it, taking it with her, nope, nada, she left it right in my way Mind you, i was the next person in line at the cashier and this isn't the first time this has happened nor is this isolated in other scenarios. People don't care for one another here.

These people...... it's cultural. Some cultures are simply DOGSHIT. And so what do you do with them? Destroy them? that seems a bit medieval right? do you reckon with them? what? seriously what? how long will some of them take to change? And if some of them *cough* have nukes thennnnn what?

I dunno man. Lots of idiots think it's "racism" when it has nothing to do with that. it's CULTURAL.

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« Reply #12983 on: January 20, 2018, 07:07:36 PM »
That was too obvious, assimilate.

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« Reply #12984 on: January 20, 2018, 07:34:59 PM »
 :crazy

But bros that legitimately just happened.

I bought a red label (yeah wasn't going to overpay for black) Johnny and they gave me a fake case to bring it to "security" so they could walk me out with the actual bottle.

That's where i'm at right now.

the struggles...  :noah

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« Reply #12985 on: January 20, 2018, 07:43:52 PM »
The White House just released this photo





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« Reply #12986 on: January 20, 2018, 07:47:45 PM »
"Right, that's the 24-piece jumbo bucket, right...hold on let me check....1600 Pennsylvania Ave."
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« Reply #12987 on: January 20, 2018, 07:50:53 PM »
Is kind of telling that Trump is not even attempting a smile.

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« Reply #12988 on: January 20, 2018, 07:59:32 PM »
Pic 1: Trump pretends to be on the phone, sitting on the edge of his seat because the cord is too short?

Pic 2: Trump walks in as awkward dude in grey suit just farted which made the room laugh. Hope Hicks stares the at the camera.
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« Reply #12990 on: January 20, 2018, 10:18:08 PM »


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there is the one in the skirt next to kushner though

just sayin

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« Reply #12991 on: January 20, 2018, 11:32:48 PM »
Actually you'll find that they correspond to an abortion ban, corporate deregulation, and triggering the libs.

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« Reply #12992 on: January 20, 2018, 11:36:18 PM »
Two issues with that

1. Those terms have been slandered by dishonest people and trying to use them will get a hundred idiots saying those are dog whistle terms. I mean, they do sound like things I would approve of and half the tards here think I'm a secret idiot nazi.

2. We have public education, so I assume you mean free college? There's a huge problem there, because nothing is free and there is a good argument that the public education system traps people in the same communities they are in. The second bit has to do with school choice people, but I'm more interested in the first.  Continued pushing towards young people getting a college education, and continued loans for people who cannot afford college education has change the university set up. Standards have dropped to increase the amount of students, but you can't give incapable students the same higher education you gave the capable ones. Once you become a business (which higher education has with demand increase and the terrible loan situation) then you can't start failing your student customers, because the customer is always right. So what you've had rise up are these junk studies and junk degrees which carry the same college name on them as the more intensive degrees. What this has done is create grade and education inflation, where a college degree is significantly less impressive than it may have once been.

You end up with poorly educated people in debt, and removing the debt won't solve the problem. Nothing is truly free. Someone is paying for that free education and the impact it will have on colleges could potentially hurt the US.

The better solution is perhaps funding for those that really shouldn't in college, but can make a living via trade (including higher tech trade). An example is being able to work within or start a solar panel installation company. Training for automotive electronics. Work that is useful and which an above average or just average mind can handle. 

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« Reply #12993 on: January 20, 2018, 11:36:34 PM »
I can't remember if I saw it in this thread, or somewhere else, but some framing caught my eye on Twitter: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness correspond directly with healthcare, prison reform, and universal education. So there it is: the modern progressive experiment. I like this a lot and think the messaging is worth keeping.

Call it the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness platform.
What are you really asking for though? Honestly?

Universal education- Europe has this, so does some countries in South America sure, your bottom half might some times (in the case of europe) be smarter than your average american but overall they're just as ignorant, but only more arrogant. In south america you have "college graduates" from free education but they're stupid as fuck, and don't have any real world skills. They major in things that the economy in the country doesn't facilitate, and so they're left with no job, no skill, and with "i have a college degree" arrogance.

Prison reform- most countries with a huge population either throw a bunch of degenerates in jails or suffer huge rates of crime. Yes, the U.S has a problem throwing people in jail for small drug crimes, but other countries like Canada and Portugal pay a shit ton of tax dollars for drug addicts. Are you willing to pay an extra tax for that? At least prisoners end up working for something half the time.

Healthcare- is about the only thing i can somewhat agree with. The U.S basic healthcare is garbage. You should be able to walk into a clinic and get a free STD test (though if you research enough you can get this) but anyways, it's a bit ridiculous to do basic preventive care at a high cost. But again, if you are a college graduate, with a steady job most of your healthcare costs are covered.

Let's be fucking realistic shall we?


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« Reply #12995 on: January 21, 2018, 12:46:48 AM »
There's nothing inherently wrong with wage benefits TBH, lots of UHC countries have them, but you are right in that they should not be propped up using subsidies in the tax code.

America made a number of healthcare sins, the original was just not implementing UHC back when Teddy and later FDR and Truman proposed it.

Now you have the behemoth that encompasses nearly 20% of GDP and the question is what do you do with it to get it to where it should be? The way it is in every other developed country. More cost contained and covering everyone.

Same issue sort of plagues education reform. Though aside from finding it absolutely pivotal to do something about the student debt crisis and investing more in people's advanced education, be it trade or university, the solutions there to bring down costs elude me a lot more. Healthcare it's pretty straight forward.

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I don't think anyone thinks it's a secret.
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« Reply #12996 on: January 21, 2018, 12:57:48 AM »
I can't remember if I saw it in this thread, or somewhere else, but some framing caught my eye on Twitter: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness correspond directly with healthcare, prison reform, and universal education. So there it is: the modern progressive experiment. I like this a lot and think the messaging is worth keeping.

Call it the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness platform.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" sounds like something a Jacobian agent trying to undermine the fragile unity of the American government would write.

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« Reply #12997 on: January 21, 2018, 01:25:26 AM »
We don't have a huge problem of throwing people in jail for small drug crimes, that's a common misconception. It actually makes up a rather small fraction of the mass incarceration problem and legalizing all drugs, even the hardest ones, would barely matter.
I actually disagree with this, as always in theory, as eliminating the illegality of the drug trade also eliminates all the criminal situations related to it. Especially regarding the avenues of dispute resolution available to those participating in illegal activities. Also it changes the makeup of who you engage in business with and how you engage in business with them.

Prostitution decriminalization and legalization, even de facto, can show drastically improved situational health (i.e. including general safety from violence, I don't mean just cleanness, etc.) for everyone involved from the Johns to the ladies compared to when it was criminal. Someone like Assimilate may point to shithole nations to our south as if they are counterexamples to my proposition*, but that's not comparing like situations for like situations. Yes, being a prostitute in Paraguay may be terrible, but being in Paraguay in general gives you a high chance of being a terrible situation compared to being in the United States. You'd have to compare the situation to Paraguay prior to even start. Nevada is essentially our only variable and even there it's so strictly regulated as to arguably be on the level of controlled substances.

A lot of states also handle sentencing in a manner in which those small drug crimes add weight to your conviction. (Something which a good prosecutor who truly wanted to become Governor someday would have ground Amir0x's balls into dust with.) They may "in fact" be going to prison for a higher level crime, but if they're a repeat offender that's altering their sentence.

This is just an aside thought but I saw a study, yes I know booo benji you're supposed to hate them, once regarding burglars and their recidivism. At the end of thirty pages of analysis, the paper finally included a part where it essentially said that due to the sentencing guidelines of the state where the study was being performed the actual dominant variable was their number of drug/intoxication arrests. (Not convictions or jail time or any of that, just arrests.) And this also applied to car theft and a couple other similar "blue collar" crimes. I believe they had controlled for it by the highly scientific (though arguably proper) method of zeroing it out. (iirc, car thieves showed more of a tendency to steal cars for the sake (pleasure?) of it...and based on what I know from TV and film, this is absolutely 100% true)

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« Reply #12998 on: January 21, 2018, 01:31:52 AM »
Apparently as of 2014, in Canada it's legal to sell sex, but illegal to purchase it.

So...great work frozen wasteland to the north?

This leaves the United States, Guyana and Suriname as the only independent nations in the Americas where prostitution is totes illegal.

On an entirely unrelated note, apparently Suriname has a pretty bad human trafficking and child prostitution problem.

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« Reply #12999 on: January 21, 2018, 01:41:20 AM »
Like a lot of issues, trying to whittle problems down to one or two smoking gun causations seems futile and pretty much always wrong.

The war on drugs and the drug laws surrounding it, the stuff Benji mentions, the shifts in the way precincts operate, the inherent issues with the way we appoint prosecutors, for-profit prisons, institutional racism and the laws they have birthed, broken windows policing, the poor emphasis on rehabilitation in this country, poverty, former felon hiring practices, and probably a dozen other things I am forgetting are all contributing factors I have read about as adding to the problems of high incarceration rates(as a percentage of the population) and as major failures of the criminal justice system.




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« Reply #13000 on: January 21, 2018, 02:00:31 AM »
Although it's now generally War on Terror related merchandise the Feds need to dump somewhere, much of the dramatic increase in militarized police is rhetorically premised on a theory that there's an "arms race" between them and almost exclusively drug-related criminals, gangs or cartels. (Even in places where the latter two essentially exist only on paper or are represented by a handful of contracted sales associates.) One of the few serious mass shows of "successful work" police have to display to their bosses (the people, the legislature, etc.) is when they can show a table full of drugs and then inflate the value of the stuff by a hundred times in press statements. (The media rarely seems as interested in the people arrested as the big table of illegal things for illustrating their stories.)

Now I should probably be cliche and post something like a related Wire clip condescending question mark:

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« Reply #13001 on: January 21, 2018, 03:07:07 AM »
GOP Mouthpiece The New York Times Opinion Page revisits the two main 2016 candidates, first one similar to that PPP poll I clipped out of amusement a week or two back:

They Were Bad. He May Be Worse.: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/opinion/sunday/trump-bad-presidents-history.html
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Donald Trump, in each area, has been a colossal failure. The truest measure of his performance comes from comparing his first year not with those of the best — Washington, Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt — but with those of the worst.

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Yet the first years of these failed presidencies were not always so bad, and in nearly every case not as bad as Mr. Trump’s.

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Mr. Trump’s first year has been an unremitting parade of disgraces that have demeaned him as well as the dignity of his office, and he has shown that this is exactly how he believes he should govern.

Most important, he is the first president to fail to defend the nation from an attack on our democracy by a hostile foreign power
Trump 2020: It Probably Can't Get Any Worse From Here!

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the last statement is arguably completely untrue and it's sorta amazing that a history professor wouldn't hedge that claim, especially one who is "the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus Professor of the American Revolutionary Era at Princeton University" considering the events of that period... *scrolls down on his wikipage to see his recent political comments* oh...

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He wrote an essay in the New Republic analyzing Sen. Barack Obama's campaign, charging Obama with creating "manipulative illusions" and "distortions," and having "purposefully polluted the [primary electoral] contest" with "the most outrageous deployment of racial politics since the Willie Horton ad campaign in 1988."

During the Democratic National Convention, Wilentz charged in Newsweek that "liberal intellectuals have largely abdicated their responsibility to provide unblinking and rigorous analysis" of Obama. "Hardly any prominent liberal thinkers" have questioned his "rationalizations" about his relationship to his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., or "his patently evasive accounts" of his "ties" to the "unrepentant terrorist William Ayers." For Wilentz, Obama is untested, cloudy, problematic—and liberal intellectuals have given him a free ride

In January 2014 Wilentz took issue with those involved in the 2013 NSA leaks, in particular Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald, and Julian Assange. In Wilentz' view, "the value of some of their revelations does not mean that they deserve the prestige and influence that has been accorded to them. The leakers and their supporters would never hand the state modern surveillance powers, even if they came wrapped in all sorts of rules and regulations that would constrain their abuse. They are right to worry, but wrong — even paranoid — to distrust democratic governments in this way.
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Hillary Lost, but the Future Is Hers: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/opinion/hillary-clinton-politics-future.html
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Here’s my take: Her campaign was probably doomed from the start and utterly transformative.
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And there was Hillary. On the one hand, another political wife. On another, a marker for the entire country, driving home the fact that Congress was never going to be just a guy thing again. At times of despair I like to recall that when she was sworn into the Senate in 2001, my little niece watched the coverage intensely, and asked my sister whether it was possible for men to be senators, too.
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It’s 2018, a big election year, and women are going to be running everywhere. We’re sort of astonished by the numbers, but not by their ambition. They’ll be elected to city councils, state legislatures and Congress and hardly anyone will give their gender a second thought. That’s Hillary’s gift.

Here’s the message she left us. You can have that double dip at opportunity — you can even have a third or fourth chance if things go wrong. All you need to do is ignore every setback and work like a maniac.
Thanks Hillary!

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Or take a more modest example. There was a time — not all that long ago — when television executives believed a woman could not be the solo anchor on the national evening news because our voices didn’t convey the proper sense of authority. Then in 2006, Katie Couric took over at CBS, to great hubbub and commentary. She did fine. Life moved on. In 2009 Diane Sawyer became the anchor at ABC. She did fine. There was barely a peep. The great triumph actually did not arrive until everybody found the whole matter boring.
Also, a more "modest" example being one that involves multi-million dollar salaries and what was once considered the premiere individual non-entertainment post of a TV network. (Until everybody found the whole national evening news broadcast matter boring and limiting and antiquated.)



OKAY, I can't resist:
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I for one believe we were cheated out of a very fine president. She had done everything right but made two mistakes. First was letting DLT stalk her during the debate. If she had turned around and told him to shut up sit down and quit interrupting her, she would have been seen a tough and decisive.
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The rationalization for Hillary's loss doesn't factor in Russian interference in the run up to the election and on election day itself. In three key States she lost on election day by a modest 80,000 votes in total and thereby lost the electoral college. There has been little or no investigation into the polling process itself, especially the electronic voting machines where the interference was maximum. When it happens again later this year. since few if any new precautions have taken place, don't be surprised if the Republicans again surprise you.
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« Reply #13002 on: January 21, 2018, 03:09:23 AM »
wait forget all that, this is infinitely better



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Somewhat less flippant response.
« Reply #13003 on: January 21, 2018, 03:12:45 AM »
I can't remember if I saw it in this thread, or somewhere else, but some framing caught my eye on Twitter: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness correspond directly with healthcare, prison reform, and universal education. So there it is: the modern progressive experiment. I like this a lot and think the messaging is worth keeping.

Call it the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness platform.

*whispers so George Lakoff can't hear him* I don't think framing is really all that important.

I think messaging is secondary to having a motivated constituency for an issue, or even better a broad cultural shift (think LGBT issues, and seemingly now weed).

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« Reply #13004 on: January 21, 2018, 03:18:44 AM »
Mandark, it's okay, George Lakoff finally finished his four year long retirement from all his positions last year. He's only a guy on twitter with a podcast now.

His pinned tweet:

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« Reply #13005 on: January 21, 2018, 03:20:11 AM »
He did retweet one of his disciples presentations though:


EDIT: Also, maybe it's me, but didn't half of these on the left start out as Democratic "re-frames"?

"Fake News" I'm pretty sure was Trump and Fox culturally appropriating it too.

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« Reply #13006 on: January 21, 2018, 03:29:16 AM »
lol at the wikipedia "fake news" article being so comprehensive (because it's a copy/paste of whatever we called this in the past that is now totally wiped from my mind, phony/yellow journalism? hoaxes?) but not having any reference to where the term itself came from

though it did remind me that "we" once referred to The Daily Show, and the Daily Show itself referred to it, as "fake news" to mean it wasn't a real news cast. Though iirc that oral history, they dropped that at some point because too many people were interpreting it as they were making up the stories. Which would have been amusing audience feedback to get in the midst of their covering the Iraq War run-up and such.

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« Reply #13007 on: January 21, 2018, 03:29:42 AM »
oh god it lists blood libel as an example of medieval fake news

what have we done, we have to go back

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« Reply #13008 on: January 21, 2018, 06:52:36 AM »
wait forget all that, this is infinitely better



 :dead :dead :dead :dead (like the victims of the Democrat Party)
Holy shit that ad.

It's almost as brilliant as his final 2016 ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8
It had everything, China, SOROS!!, Clinton Foundation, even the UN.
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« Reply #13009 on: January 21, 2018, 10:37:38 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-trumps-inaugural-festivities-members-of-russias-elite-anticipated-a-thaw-between-moscow-and-washington/2018/01/20/0d767f46-fb9f-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.6fefc663492a

The don Jr narrative about the Veselnitskaya meeting continues to make no sense. He basically claims she wasted their time with fake oppo, but then give her VIP access to the inauguration? She clearly was providing them some value, or was connected to someone who was.

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« Reply #13010 on: January 21, 2018, 05:22:02 PM »
The shutdown is quite something.

It seems like neither the dems nor GOP know why the government is shut down.
The GOP would be willing to delay the DACA thing and the Dems even offered to allocate $20 billion for the dumb wall.

As everyone is trying to figure out what to do next Trump and Miller decide to throw gasoline on the fire.
Trump of course not talking to Democrats and calling them names, as well as launching an ad linking them to murders by illegal migrants.
But the GOP doesn't really know where the White House stands on the issues or what Trump wants.

Now Graham is calling out Miller for messing things up in the press.

This is so dumb  :doge
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« Reply #13011 on: January 21, 2018, 05:39:18 PM »
I am not so sure the GOP is willing to delay DACA. I think there is a decent number of Rs that don’t want to fix DACA but also don’t want to say that.

That said I suspect it will get a lot more real a lot quicker next week. I’m curious if this shutdown will be worse than the one in 13 because I’m sure the trump administration didn’t actually make any plans for how to do things during a shutdown.

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« Reply #13012 on: January 21, 2018, 05:48:53 PM »
I am not so sure the GOP is willing to delay DACA. I think there is a decent number of Rs that don’t want to fix DACA but also don’t want to say that.

That said I suspect it will get a lot more real a lot quicker next week. I’m curious if this shutdown will be worse than the one in 13 because I’m sure the trump administration didn’t actually make any plans for how to do things during a shutdown.
Mulvaney only today discovered he had to 'shut down' the government and thought it was 'kind of cool'.

Also any emergency military funds or whatever have also been rejected by the politicians.
It's like Trump The Joker wants this to happen.

You can just set the clock for him to board a chopper saying:
"Well if the government is shut down I might as well go play golf until you losers figure this all out. Bye!"

"But Mr. President, I hear a deal is about to be made by Schumer and your party."

"WELL unless they deliver Hillary Clinton in chains, there's no deal, no deal, deal is off the table"
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« Reply #13013 on: January 21, 2018, 06:23:34 PM »
I am not so sure the GOP is willing to delay DACA. I think there is a decent number of Rs that don’t want to fix DACA but also don’t want to say that.

That said I suspect it will get a lot more real a lot quicker next week. I’m curious if this shutdown will be worse than the one in 13 because I’m sure the trump administration didn’t actually make any plans for how to do things during a shutdown.

A lot of this is farcical in the sense that, as I understand it, there were enough votes on the Democratic compromise bill thanks to Republican defectors to pass it, but McConnell hasn't and isn't going to bring that to the floor for a vote. Instead hoping more Democrats would break on their version. Which didn't happen. Meanwhile the president is just throwing bombs into everything and calcifying people's tribalism. With the GOP starting stupid websites and self-defeating twitter memes to basically try and blame shift and control the narrative.

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« Reply #13014 on: January 21, 2018, 07:01:03 PM »

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« Reply #13015 on: January 21, 2018, 07:08:21 PM »
My property taxes are $1,100 for the year....

Edit: I literally just got the invoice in the mail today. Fite me.

Imagine being able to own property.
NO

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« Reply #13016 on: January 21, 2018, 07:57:47 PM »
I can't remember if I saw it in this thread, or somewhere else, but some framing caught my eye on Twitter: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness correspond directly with healthcare, prison reform, and universal education. So there it is: the modern progressive experiment. I like this a lot and think the messaging is worth keeping.

Call it the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness platform.

Yeah, I like that. It might take off if started at a low level like city government, and over years ascend to something more. Too bad everyone seems to think the Executive Branch is the only election worth voting in, and rarely work from a local level forward.

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« Reply #13017 on: January 21, 2018, 08:15:42 PM »
I can't remember if I saw it in this thread, or somewhere else, but some framing caught my eye on Twitter: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness correspond directly with healthcare, prison reform, and universal education. So there it is: the modern progressive experiment. I like this a lot and think the messaging is worth keeping.

Call it the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness platform.

Yeah, I like that. It might take off if started at a low level like city government, and over years ascend to something more. Too bad everyone seems to think the Executive Branch is the only election worth voting in, and rarely work from a local level forward.

Just don't ask the national Democrats to work on any of the marketing....

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« Reply #13018 on: January 21, 2018, 08:26:31 PM »
fucking worthless party

You would think with Hollywood basically being framed as the Democratic party's Sodom, you could put together some better marketing?

Healthcare, education, labor rights, woman's rights, weed legalization, criminal justice reform, internet rights, climate change, and infrastructure. What is so hard about running on that and just tailoring them based on the geographic context of the race?

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« Reply #13019 on: January 21, 2018, 08:49:53 PM »
fucking worthless party

You would think with Hollywood basically being framed as the Democratic party's Sodom, you could put together some better marketing?

Healthcare, education, labor rights, woman's rights, weed legalization, criminal justice reform, internet rights, climate change, and infrastructure. What is so hard about running on that and just tailoring them based on the geographic context of the race?

Well, they'd have to genuinely care about those things to begin with. I don't think the Democrats have cared about most of those issues either ever (internet rights) or for a long time (education, labor rights, weed legalization and arguably healthcare)