US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Steve Contra]

https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/819243344429772801

[Brehvolution]

 

[Brehvolution]

You can't spell "Trump" without a little pee.

[Nola]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/opinion/russias-dnc-hack-was-only-the-start.html

Imagine the headlines if, in 2015, Russian agents had leapt out of a van at 2 a.m. in Southeast Washington and broken into the Democratic National Committee offices using sophisticated tools and techniques to steal tens of thousands of documents, including the names and Social Security numbers of donors and employees, and confidential memorandums about campaign strategy for the presidential election.

The world would have been aghast. It would have been, people would say, worse than Watergate.

Something similar did, in fact, happen at the D.N.C. two years ago, and it was worse than Watergate.

When North Koreans hacked Sony Pictures in 2014 in retaliation for making the satire “The Interview,” I was much more disturbed by the embarrassing things the movie executives said in emails to one another than by how easy it was for a dictator to punish critics in the United States. It wasn’t until I lived through the Russian hackings of Democratic staff members and organizations that I realized how dangerous such an attitude could be.

I saw it firsthand in July, when I was asked about the first wave of stolen documents on ABC’s “This Week” and CNN’s “State of the Union.” I thought it was a bombshell — Russians hacked into the Democratic National Committee! — but my alarm was dismissed by the news media and our opponents as merely campaign spin, feigned distress meant to dodge real questions about how the embarrassing messages might hurt Hillary Clinton’s prospects.

This perception has to change. I’m not referring to the D.N.C. incident in particular, but about cybercrimes in general. Unless we realize how vulnerable we are, we are playing into the hands of foreign aggressors like Mr. Putin.

The chilling effect of these attacks can be very public, and very personal. But they can also be more subtle, impeding dialogue within an organization. For all the fanfare we give the internet for freeing speech, when it is weaponized against you, it can also be used to stifle speech. At the D.N.C., certain conversations could take place only on an encrypted phone app, which made communicating more complicated logistically.

Robby Mook managed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign for president.

He ain't wrong.

The world in general seems to have this irrational double standard or maybe blind spot when it comes to actions taken online vs in person.

[brawndolicious]

Probably the FSB already knew who he was if the WSJ could find him. I doubt Russia was thinking of assassinating him since that would lend credibility to the reports.

Maybe this will motivate Steele to reveal whatever evidence he has.

[benjipwns]

Imagine the headlines if, in 2015, Russian agents had leapt out of a van at 2 a.m. in Southeast Washington and broken into the Democratic National Committee offices using sophisticated tools and techniques to steal tens of thousands of documents, including the names and Social Security numbers of donors and employees, and confidential memorandums about campaign strategy for the presidential election.

The world would have been aghast. It would have been, people would say, worse than Watergate.

Something similar did, in fact, happen at the D.N.C. two years ago, and it was worse than Watergate.

He ain't wrong.

But yet he also is though. Like everyone else who keeps making "worse than Watergate" comparisons.

Watergate wasn't "Watergate" as they seem to imagine it.

[zomgee]

I don't know what politics is any more

[Joe Molotov]

Last post, if any of this amounts to something, would that mean Jeb! had the last laugh?

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Only if he then goes to Trump's DC hotel and pees on all the beds.

[Brehvolution]

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/mattis-hasc-cancelled-confirmation

[Syph]

my cursory internet sleuthing has discovered that this may have all originated on /pol/ and we are witnessing one of the greatest trolls of all time

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lol did u make this?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i dont use reddit tho

[close]

[benjipwns]

Probably the FSB already knew who he was if the WSJ could find him. I doubt Russia was thinking of assassinating him since that would lend credibility to the reports.

Maybe this will motivate Steele to reveal whatever evidence he has.

I'm always kinda baffled when people don't remember/know about the euphoria when the "wall fell" and how buddy buddy everyone was for a bit. When the Cold War ended all the intelligence agencies basically got together to show each other and brag about their work. There's been the opening of the Soviet archives to basically anyone who wants it. Hell, the fucking MI6 archives can be browsed at your leisure at the UK London Library.

When the US or anyone else kicks out specific embassy staff it's almost always because they know they're spies and have tolerated them rather than they suddenly found out and are rushing to get rid of the person. This guys name appears on a KGB list of over 300 MI6 agents dating back to the late Cold War, he was operating out of the UK Embassy in Moscow, of course they knew who he was.

[studyguy]

Couldn't Trump get someone taller to run his company?

I mean,

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I heard looking the part was an important factor in Trump's cabinet. 

[Steve Contra]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

Translation: The intelligence agency invites you to the premiere screening of XXX GOLDEN SHOWERS 17, starring Donald Trump

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

Translation: The intelligence agency invites you to the premiere screening of XXX GOLDEN SHOWERS 17, starring Donald Trump

Even if that's the case and it's true: So what? Trump likes being pee'd on, it's a weird fetish but nothing that screams "impeach him!"

I mean if the Conservatives/Republicans couldn't impeach Clinton out of office over getting a blowie in the Oval Office, what makes Liberals think they can get Trump out if he steam-cleans the floor along with putting a plastic tarp over it?

[benjipwns]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

[benjipwns]

Had to scroll for some time to find one comment to get the bingos

photosymbiosis ↪ AvlMike
January 11 2017, 4:53 p.m.
The Democratic neoliberal left and the Republican neocon right. . . There’s this fantastic picture of two of their leaders sharing a chuckle as they go to meet the Saudi King, that I never tire of passing around, it should really have won some kind of “Political Image of the Year” award. Via Reuters:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/03/arabia-mccain-polesi-1024×712.jpg

Look at Pelosi and McCain sharing a chuckle! No, the only thing that differentiates these two are what Clinton called the “public position” – privately, they’re in bed together. That’s the proverbial image that speaks a thousand words.

And by the way, much of this Russia hype is all about the corporate Democrats, the Obamas and Clintons, trying to keep Sanders progressives from kicking them out of party leadership positions; it’s not just Deep State manipulations, although if corporate Democrats lose power, we might finally see some significant cuts to Deep State contract cash flows, and redirection of those taxpayer dollars to infrastructure, education, and health care.

one of the corporates is a free space

[studyguy]

if corporate Democrats lose power, we might finally see some significant cuts to Deep State contract cash flows, and redirection of those taxpayer dollars to infrastructure, education, and health care.

How do people suddenly make a leap of logic like that?
We booted one hypothetical CORPORATE GLOBALIST out of office so the next guy will definitely be OUR GOOD GUY!!

[benjipwns]

No no, Democrats, plural. Once we get rid of them all we'll have an ideal government. And until we have that ideal government it's proof that the neoliberal corporatist Democrats are still in power.

[Nola]

Imagine the headlines if, in 2015, Russian agents had leapt out of a van at 2 a.m. in Southeast Washington and broken into the Democratic National Committee offices using sophisticated tools and techniques to steal tens of thousands of documents, including the names and Social Security numbers of donors and employees, and confidential memorandums about campaign strategy for the presidential election.

The world would have been aghast. It would have been, people would say, worse than Watergate.

Something similar did, in fact, happen at the D.N.C. two years ago, and it was worse than Watergate.

He ain't wrong.

But yet he also is though. Like everyone else who keeps making "worse than Watergate" comparisons.

Watergate wasn't "Watergate" as they seem to imagine it.

Well yeah, in the context he was speaking it isn't worse then Watergate. Watergate is actually a shit comparison. I get the allure of reaching for that comparison since its a common shared history people can contextualize quickly. But yeah, probably could of left out the watergate allegory and made the same point.

  I was mostly just focusing on the observation he made about how "meh" people are treating an act of espionage by a foreign power. And that it seems to take trickling in a little water play to get people to finally give a shit....Not that I'm not guilty of the disconnect he spoke to myself.

[Optimus]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

Finally a voice of reason. No matter how bad Trump is these pieces of shit are worse and have done much worse. Allowing them to control the narrative with half truths and unverified bullshit is extremely dangerous to say the least.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

Translation: The intelligence agency invites you to the premiere screening of XXX GOLDEN SHOWERS 17, starring Donald Trump

Even if that's the case and it's true: So what? Trump likes being pee'd on, it's a weird fetish but nothing that screams "impeach him!"

I mean if the Conservatives/Republicans couldn't impeach Clinton out of office over getting a blowie in the Oval Office, what makes Liberals think they can get Trump out if he steam-cleans the floor along with putting a plastic tarp over it?

I mean the 35 page document is much more then just some vengeance water sports.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

Translation: The intelligence agency invites you to the premiere screening of XXX GOLDEN SHOWERS 17, starring Donald Trump

Even if that's the case and it's true: So what? Trump likes being pee'd on, it's a weird fetish but nothing that screams "impeach him!"

I mean if the Conservatives/Republicans couldn't impeach Clinton out of office over getting a blowie in the Oval Office, what makes Liberals think they can get Trump out if he steam-cleans the floor along with putting a plastic tarp over it?

I mean the 35 page document is much more then just some vengeance water sports.

I know, but I'm more focusing on that and how liberals are all over it mocking it as if it's the silver-bullet for stopping Trump.

[Nola]

No. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I might vote straight blue ticket but what you're not getting at is mindset. As a democrat I'd vote blue just to toe the party line. The republicans are obviously the bad guys from the democratic perspective. That mindset doesn't weigh as heavily when not affiliated with a party. The next election is in May and I'm already planning on how I will be voting rather than voting out of any sense of loyalty. The mindset is completely different.

I guess for you it jolted you from voting reflexively to considering the underlying positions and stances, well thats good then.

I just would be hesitant to paint everyone with that broad brush that defined your experience.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/819277477747036160

Translation: The intelligence agency invites you to the premiere screening of XXX GOLDEN SHOWERS 17, starring Donald Trump

Even if that's the case and it's true: So what? Trump likes being pee'd on, it's a weird fetish but nothing that screams "impeach him!"

I mean if the Conservatives/Republicans couldn't impeach Clinton out of office over getting a blowie in the Oval Office, what makes Liberals think they can get Trump out if he steam-cleans the floor along with putting a plastic tarp over it?

I mean the 35 page document is much more then just some vengeance water sports.

I know, but I'm more focusing on that and how liberals are all over it mocking it as if it's the silver-bullet for stopping Trump.

We are just using laughter and shame to cope with the uncomfortable hidden truth that we secretly share common fetishes with sworn enemy Nazi-Trump:



http://www.pornhub.com/insights/golden-showers

[Himu]

Most of my Facebook are making pee jokes even now. I'm convinced it's a coping mechanism and nothing more at this point.

[benjipwns]

We are just using laughter and shame to cope with the uncomfortable hidden truth that we secretly share common fetishes with sworn enemy Nazi-Trump:

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http://www.pornhub.com/insights/golden-showers

This data wouldn't have helped the Hillary campaign at all.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't even know what's going on anymore.

[benjipwns]

 "I don't even know what's going on anymore."

[chronovore]

I don't even know what's going on anymore.

 Me too. Philosophically I feel like I'm throwing my hands in the air and burying myself in work for now. Watching this shit show is robbing me of coherent thought.

[Great Rumbler]

Most of my Facebook are making pee jokes even now. I'm convinced it's a coping mechanism and nothing more at this point.

CHINA’S leaders have tried honoring Ai Weiwei and bribing him with the offer of high positions. They have tried jailing him, fining him and clubbing him so brutally that he needed emergency brain surgery. In desperation, they have even begged him to behave — and nothing works.

What is the Politburo to do with a superstar artist with a vast global audience like Ai (whose name is pronounced EYE Way-way), who makes a video of himself dancing “Gangnam style” with handcuffs — parodying the Chinese state — that quickly ends up with more than one million views on YouTube?

How should the Central Committee of the Communist Party react when Ai releases a nude self-portrait with a stuffed animal as a fig leaf? The caption was “grass-mud-horse in the center” — a homonym in Chinese for a vulgar curse against the Communist Party’s central leadership. Or, more precisely, against its mother.

One thing the party detests even more than being denounced is being mocked, and humor is the signature element of Ai’s assaults. Other dissidents, like the great writer Liu Xiaobo, a Nobel Peace Prize winner now in prison, write eloquently of democracy but gain little traction among ordinary Chinese: Ai’s artistic work also seems incomprehensible to many people, but obscene jokes about grass-mud-horses can get more traction — and be difficult to quash.

[studyguy]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/the-b-street-band-americas-no-1-springsteen-tribute-band-agrees-to-play-trump-inaugural-ball/

The B Street Band, America’s No. 1 Springsteen tribute band, agrees to play Trump inaugural ball

The B-Street Band first performed as
“Backstreets, a Tribute to the Boss” on
 May 19, 1980 in Asbury Park, NJ for an audience of over 2000 Bruce fans.

From the heart of the Jersey shore, “Backstreets” was the first band in the world to do a unique tribute to a live performer. There are now an estimated 14,000 tribute bands following their lead and performing all over the world.

 

Why is half the band named Steve?

[Human Snorenado]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

[chronovore]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

Fantastic article:

So I’ve had enough. I’ve been to Middle America as well. Hell, I grew up there. I’ve had my fair share of good times with rednecks and hunters and God-fearing truck drivers. Most people in these regions of our country are very nice people. Of course they are. Are they all racist? Of course not. Are their problems real? Of course they are. Have Democrats done a shit job offering them things of value? God, yes.

But that doesn’t, and shouldn’t, explain nor excuse what just happened. You will pardon me if I still resent a great many Trump voters for willfully taking democracy and flushing it down the toilet, thinking their concerns have been ignored when a great many other people—minorities of all kind, gay people, the majority of American women—can make a far more convincing case for it. The racism and misogyny we all saw during the campaign wasn’t some fluke. It was real, and it needed to be condemned. It shouldn't be explained away by socio-economic circumstances that NO other demographic group is ever allowed to use as a crutch. Excusing intolerance does nothing to erase it.

[benjipwns]

http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/01/the-b-street-band-americas-no-1-springsteen-tribute-band-agrees-to-play-trump-inaugural-ball/

The B Street Band, America’s No. 1 Springsteen tribute band, agrees to play Trump inaugural ball

The B-Street Band first performed as
“Backstreets, a Tribute to the Boss” on
 May 19, 1980 in Asbury Park, NJ for an audience of over 2000 Bruce fans.

From the heart of the Jersey shore, “Backstreets” was the first band in the world to do a unique tribute to a live performer. There are now an estimated 14,000 tribute bands following their lead and performing all over the world.

(Image removed from quote.)
 

Why is half the band named Steve?

The B-Steve Band featuring SNL's Will Forte

[Nola]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

Finally a voice of reason. No matter how bad Trump is these pieces of shit are worse and have done much worse. Allowing them to control the narrative with half truths and unverified bullshit is extremely dangerous to say the least.

I haven't taken much notice of you in my rather short time here until recently, but your brain fascinates me!

Not like in the Einstein or Descartes sense, more like in the way Ted Kaczynski fascinates.

[benjipwns]

[etiolate]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/opinion/russias-dnc-hack-was-only-the-start.html

Imagine the headlines if, in 2015, Russian agents had leapt out of a van at 2 a.m. in Southeast Washington and broken into the Democratic National Committee offices using sophisticated tools and techniques to steal tens of thousands of documents, including the names and Social Security numbers of donors and employees, and confidential memorandums about campaign strategy for the presidential election.

The world would have been aghast. It would have been, people would say, worse than Watergate.

Something similar did, in fact, happen at the D.N.C. two years ago, and it was worse than Watergate.

When North Koreans hacked Sony Pictures in 2014 in retaliation for making the satire “The Interview,” I was much more disturbed by the embarrassing things the movie executives said in emails to one another than by how easy it was for a dictator to punish critics in the United States. It wasn’t until I lived through the Russian hackings of Democratic staff members and organizations that I realized how dangerous such an attitude could be.

I saw it firsthand in July, when I was asked about the first wave of stolen documents on ABC’s “This Week” and CNN’s “State of the Union.” I thought it was a bombshell — Russians hacked into the Democratic National Committee! — but my alarm was dismissed by the news media and our opponents as merely campaign spin, feigned distress meant to dodge real questions about how the embarrassing messages might hurt Hillary Clinton’s prospects.

This perception has to change. I’m not referring to the D.N.C. incident in particular, but about cybercrimes in general. Unless we realize how vulnerable we are, we are playing into the hands of foreign aggressors like Mr. Putin.

The chilling effect of these attacks can be very public, and very personal. But they can also be more subtle, impeding dialogue within an organization. For all the fanfare we give the internet for freeing speech, when it is weaponized against you, it can also be used to stifle speech. At the D.N.C., certain conversations could take place only on an encrypted phone app, which made communicating more complicated logistically.

Robby Mook managed Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign for president.

I find it funny that this brings up the Sony hack when it was never proven to come from North Korea and when you look at what limited reasoning the FBI gave for that assertion, it makes you question their entire thinking.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/24/no-north-korea-didn-t-hack-sony.html

Sometimes people use consensus to act as though they have proof when they don't. Proof and evidence doesn't require consensus. Assumptions do.

[Himu]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

article starts with "golden piss King."

"All who oppose him will never get their shit together" aka "if you don't agree with me you're stupid and harming the movement."

That'll win supporters. Fuck that article.

[Human Snorenado]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

article starts with "golden piss King."

"All who oppose him will never get their shit together" aka "if you don't agree with me you're stupid and harming the movement."

That'll win supporters. Fuck that article.

Fuck your stupid insistence on treating morons like they might one day be thinking human beings.

[Himu]

Hope you're braced for a repeat in 2020 then.

[Human Snorenado]

Nah, I'm not running things for the dems, and they're stupid enough to believe they need to massage the fee fees of Trump supporters. Plus Trump is going to fuck up so colossally that we'll get a Katrina/Iraq/Financial crisis type event for sure, which is the only thing big enough to jolt morons out of their slumber.

I'm seriously not sure how a thinking human being could look at someone that came to the conclusion "this guy" as anyone other than a prime candidate for being tossed into the sun, tho.

[benjipwns]

Keep in mind that Vance, despite his difficult upbringing, now works with Peter Thiel, so you’ll excuse me if I take his musings about what’s REALLY going on in the American heartland with a grain of salt.

what

if he means that dude is upper class, he went to frickin Yale Law School and immediately joined one of the largest law firms in the world
if he means the dude is biased towards seeing "conservative values" as the answer, he was a staffer for fucking John Cornyn and has written for National Review for four years

the fact that he (last April) joined a VC firm that Peter Thiel is one of the partners is in is like...I dunno thinking Facebook is intentionally undermining the 99% because Peter Thiel bought in early to that too

[Optimus]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

Finally a voice of reason. No matter how bad Trump is these pieces of shit are worse and have done much worse. Allowing them to control the narrative with half truths and unverified bullshit is extremely dangerous to say the least.

I haven't taken much notice of you in my rather short time here until recently, but your brain fascinates me!

Not like in the Einstein or Descartes sense, more like in the way Ted Kaczynski fascinates.

A+ rebuttal. Aren't you the poster that just compared liberals to Trump to make an excuse for them being gullible morons and believing the bullshit story about his lawyer? Yeah, I don't expect many liberals to like me and I don't care either, many of you have gone off the deep end. And Greenwald explaining rationally how the intelligence scumbags are not to be trusted isn't something controversial especially since it's obvious that they're spreading unverified bullshit. Do you even know who Greenwald is? Honest question.

[benjipwns]

Nah, I'm not running things for the dems

typical lieberals trying to cover their tracks yet again

[Human Snorenado]

Nah, I'm not running things for the dems

typical lieberals trying to cover their tracks yet again

 

[Joe Molotov]

I peed this afternoon, I was literally shaking

spoiler (click to show/hide)

muh dick

[close]

[Himu]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

article starts with "golden piss King."

"All who oppose him will never get their shit together" aka "if you don't agree with me you're stupid and harming the movement."

That'll win supporters. Fuck that article.

Fuck your stupid insistence on treating morons like they might one day be thinking human beings.

Nah, I'm not running things for the dems, and they're stupid enough to believe they need to massage the fee fees of Trump supporters. Plus Trump is going to fuck up so colossally that we'll get a Katrina/Iraq/Financial crisis type event for sure, which is the only thing big enough to jolt morons out of their slumber.

I'm seriously not sure how a thinking human being could look at someone that came to the conclusion "this guy" as anyone other than a prime candidate for being tossed into the sun, tho.

"When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn, and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good."

Indeed Mr. Bourdain.

"The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left—just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition—this does not win hearts and minds. It doesn't change anyone's opinions. It only solidifies them."

Indeed.

The president made a speech last night honoring the idea that in a democracy we must exchange ideas. On FB you made a note about the importance of our nations democracy and by making these statements tarnish his entire message. Is the president wrong too?

I'm done hating people. I'm done being outraged. I tried it for three  years and it made me sick. I'm tired of being offended and I'm tired of making judgements of (most) otherwise good people because of it. I lost friends and support because of it. I learned what my behavior wrought and without human empathy we are nothing. Liberals claimed to be better. They claimed to be more ethical. They claimed to be on the right side of history. Time and time again. But I now know what the damage our language and rhetoric causes. Now I know that the empathy liberals give is only earned through pious behavior and loyalty.

All you're doing is pushing me further away from whatever "cause" you stand for.

[Nola]

QoI should be strapped into a chair with her eyeballs open and forced to read this until she's right...

http://www.gq.com/story/shut-up-about-connecting-with-trumps-middle-america

I feel like QoI can't win around here haha. First QoI was too hot-headed and closed-minded, now QoI is too empathetic and needs to GAF it up toward conservatives a bit more.

I’d rather not waste my time trying to psychoanalyze why so many people were captivated by a political message rooted in pure hate. There’s no time for that. I’m going to fight instead. I’d rather be part of an aggressive movement to overturn shitty voting laws, impeach Trump, abolish the electoral college, put Mitch McConnell behind bars, thin out the wingnut portion of the Federal judiciary, and lessen the influence of voters who have a disproportionate amount of it. Because I can reach out and offer all the compassion in the world to Trump voters. But a great many of them just proved that they don’t give a shit about the rest of us either way.

Thats all good and well that the author wants to fight, but you have to actually gain power to meaningfully achieve any of that. And even if you don't want to appeal to these people, its probably wise to understand them so you can devise strategies that can counter-act them no? The only way this guy's desire to turn his nose up at Trump voters will be anything more then white noise is for people on his side to actually think about that pesky gap between ideals and achievement.


But since I am here now, I'll toss out this piece I think did an excellent job unpacking the broad stroke of this discussion. Basically, you are fighting a culture. One built on a stew of indoctrination, lived experience and propaganda.

[Nola]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

Finally a voice of reason. No matter how bad Trump is these pieces of shit are worse and have done much worse. Allowing them to control the narrative with half truths and unverified bullshit is extremely dangerous to say the least.

I haven't taken much notice of you in my rather short time here until recently, but your brain fascinates me!

Not like in the Einstein or Descartes sense, more like in the way Ted Kaczynski fascinates.

A+ rebuttal. Aren't you the poster that just compared liberals to Trump to make an excuse for them being gullible morons and believing the bullshit story about his lawyer? Yeah, I don't expect many liberals to like me and I don't care either, many of you have gone off the deep end. And Greenwald explaining rationally how the intelligence scumbags are not to be trusted isn't something controversial especially since it's obvious that they're spreading unverified bullshit. Do you even know who Greenwald is? Honest question.

Hard to decipher the vague incoherency here, you sure it wasn't a post where I was just taking the piss?

[VomKriege]

Drop the OPPO => poop => golden showers 

[Optimus]

Anti-American Anti-West Piece Of Shit Russian Apologist and Known Homosexualist Gleen Greenwald:

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way.

All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

Finally a voice of reason. No matter how bad Trump is these pieces of shit are worse and have done much worse. Allowing them to control the narrative with half truths and unverified bullshit is extremely dangerous to say the least.

I haven't taken much notice of you in my rather short time here until recently, but your brain fascinates me!

Not like in the Einstein or Descartes sense, more like in the way Ted Kaczynski fascinates.

A+ rebuttal. Aren't you the poster that just compared liberals to Trump to make an excuse for them being gullible morons and believing the bullshit story about his lawyer? Yeah, I don't expect many liberals to like me and I don't care either, many of you have gone off the deep end. And Greenwald explaining rationally how the intelligence scumbags are not to be trusted isn't something controversial especially since it's obvious that they're spreading unverified bullshit. Do you even know who Greenwald is? Honest question.

Hard to decipher the vague incoherency here, you sure it wasn't a post where I was just taking the piss?

As vague as you rambling about Kaczynski or some shit because I dared to agree with one of the most popular and dignified leftist journalists on the planet?

[agrajag]

I peed this afternoon, I was literally shaking

spoiler (click to show/hide)

muh dick

[close]

I just peed a few hours ago, you're in my prayers. Be safe everyone.

[VomKriege]

I barely followed the news today but that shit is exhausting and confusing. #GoldenShowers went from being true to false half a dozen times today alone.

The latest War College podcast from Reuters is an interesting discussion on how journalists tries to keep up with the never ending cascade of low intensity US military expeditions everywhere on the globe, "shadow wars" that are not so literally secret but barely discussed.

https://soundcloud.com/war_college/tracking-americas-shadow-wars

[Syph]

"journalism"

[Nola]

As vague as you rambling about Kaczynski or some shit because I dared to agree with one of the most popular and dignified leftist journalists on the planet?

Nah, it is the combination of the tenuous but unique underlying viewpoints mixed with the hubristic manner in which you assert them that I find fascinating.

Kaczynski was a literal genius, don't take it all bad. 

[etiolate]

Amazing how Ben Smith explained his publishing the dossier without verification with "journalism is dead, and we're getting with the times."

[benjipwns]

dude was straight up shook by the lone question you should expect to be asked

[Steve Contra]

Glenn Greenwald sounds increasingly like the end of a Blossom episode where Blossom's dad tells her while she might not have won, she can feel good about not cheating.

[benjipwns]

Glenn Greenwald sounds increasingly like the end of a Blossom episode where Blossom's dad tells her while she might not have won, she can feel good about not cheating.

This feels like a soft ball lobbed for Kara.