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[Mandark]

"Iraq war supporter Glenn Greenwald" is my "Matthew Broderick killed a guy."

[benjipwns]

for whatever it's worth, Kingv, trying to find info on this supposed family member I was reminded that Kim Thong Un's long advocated for the US to recognize the Armenian Genocide and may have had meetings with Obama about it too...personally, I'd be less surprised about her being an actually informed advocate on certain issues than I would Trump caring about any of them when he talked to her or doing anything about it in response

also:

See also
Famous for being famous

[benjipwns]

EXCLUSIVE: Dinesh D’Souza Tells Backstory Of His Pardon

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz was the major impetus behind the Thursday pardon of Dinesh D’Souza, the conservative activist tells The Daily Caller.

D’Souza noted that he and his wife had dinner with Cruz approximately a month ago. At the dinner, the senator made clear he would push for a pardon during his conversations with President Donald Trump. D’Souza said he then received a call in recent days from Cruz, who told him Trump was very receptive to the pardon and that action could be coming imminently.

D’Souza said he was struck by Trump’s “gut sense of justice” and that any other Republican administration would have had endless “strategy meetings, focus groups, try to see whether it would benefit them politically, and that is not Trump.”

[Broseidon]

https://twitter.com/gggreenwald/status/1002226899345707008

[benjipwns]

Decade-Old Joy Reid Blog Posts ... Praise @LouDobbs

SHE'S GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME

[Mandark]

the worst part about these politik youngins is I can't take shots at Greenwald for his Bryan Colangelo period because most people don't know he existed before Snowden

I'ma let Rick Ellensburg finish, but Sprezzatura was the best sock puppet of 2006.

[Joe Molotov]

EXCLUSIVE: Dinesh D’Souza Tells Backstory Of His Pardon

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz was the major impetus behind the Thursday pardon of Dinesh D’Souza, the conservative activist tells The Daily Caller.

D’Souza noted that he and his wife had dinner with Cruz approximately a month ago. At the dinner, the senator made clear he would push for a pardon during his conversations with President Donald Trump. D’Souza said he then received a call in recent days from Cruz, who told him Trump was very receptive to the pardon and that action could be coming imminently.

D’Souza said he was struck by Trump’s “gut sense of justice” and that any other Republican administration would have had endless “strategy meetings, focus groups, try to see whether it would benefit them politically, and that is not Trump.”

Well, he's right. D'Souza's pardon is certainly of no benefit to anyone.

[benjipwns]

Trump Allies Don’t See “Three-Dimensional Chess” In Dinesh D’Souza’s Pardon

[Mandark]

I'm pretty sure a year or two ago there was a kerfuffle about Joy Reid's old blog saying all of these same things, but it immediately blew over at the time.

The first time she admitted it, apologized, and it was no huge deal.

This last time she dug in her heels and there was kind of a Streisand effect.

[benjipwns]

While I think it's gross to do that "Well X said Y Z amount of years ago" bullshit just to dig shit up on people you don't like, I definitely get a chuckle about when it happens to really outspoken people on the same issues. I chuckle a bit more when they try to blame it on the Russians.

I'm pretty sure a year or two ago there was a kerfuffle about Joy Reid's old blog saying all of these same things, but it immediately blew over at the time.

I think it's very important that we don't forget her "security expert" who was personally running the Libya operation in 2011, nor the fact that they contacted the FBI about someone bringing up her old posts, and that they suggested the Wayback Machine was some kind of Russian/Republican op. And that Rachel Maddow's never been prouder of Joy.

I've thought it's funny mainly because last year when it came up the first time, she did simply just apologize for her language and views and said she had changed and only certain people continued to care.

[benjipwns]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/trump-is-weaponizing-the-pardon-power/561617/

jeez, literally everything's being weaponized these days

It’s Trump’s fifth pardon of his short presidency

[Kara]

for whatever it's worth, Kingv, trying to find info on this supposed family member I was reminded that Kim Thong Un's long advocated for the US to recognize the Armenian Genocide and may have had meetings with Obama about it too...personally, I'd be less surprised about her being an actually informed advocate on certain issues than I would Trump caring about any of them when he talked to her or doing anything about it in response

also:

See also
Famous for being famous

I was going to bring this up and link it back to my post about Wonder Woman but I don't have the Ron Paul "it's happening" gif with Christapor Mikaelian's face edited on.

[benjipwns]

maybe we can get Trump to pardon Amir0x, after all, Amir0x didn't know it was illegal, also he has many fetishes and urges

[agrajag]

maybe we can get Trump to pardon Amir0x, after all, Amir0x didn't know it was illegal, also he has many fetishes and urges

Who is that, I still don't know this person you guys reference, and most certainly don't know his full name.

[Madrun Badrun]

Holy shitballs, a malek sighting!

*This* is what brings you back to the forum?! 

How’s life n stuff?

Hey Muscles!

I like statutory interpretation.

NEERRRRRD

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ya, me too 

[close]

How's life? Why are there still criminals in Ontario? Do your job!

Look, it's a pretty simple hustle.  If I get rid of all the criminals in Ontario, I won't have a job. 

Guess that explains all the recent murders too.  Hope they give you a pay raise soon so things can go back to normal.   

[team filler]

maybe we can get Trump to pardon Amir0x, after all, Amir0x didn't know it was illegal, also he has many fetishes and urges

Who is that, I still don't know this person you guys reference, and most certainly don't know his full name.

chairman of the neogaf.com moderation team 

[agrajag]

Is that the site that potential pedophile Dennis loves so much?

[Optimus]

Seems like liberals are getting really triggered by Greenwald. Top comedic minds have been recruited to manage this account.

https://twitter.com/gggreenwald/status/1000399595476865024

[Mandark]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/trump-inauguration-protests-project-veritas

Government takes another L in the J20 trials.

[kingv]

It's kinda funny that king's anti-Greenwald post is basically done in Greenwald's style, including multiple updates.

Eh, I read a lot of Glenn Greenwald

[Brehvolution]

Seems like liberals are getting really triggered by Greenwald. Top comedic minds have been recruited to manage this account.

https://twitter.com/gggreenwald/status/1000399595476865024

Silly Glem

[Nola]

I don't know exactly what Optimus has said the last few posts, but I will say I do find it egregious how little time has been spent reporting the death toll in Puerto Rico.

Agreed. It’s like three Katrina/Rita’s happening in one storm and the Bush response on steroids with a fraction of the outrage and coverage.

Though I’m pretty sure Optimus could give a fuck about the Puerto Rican death toll except for the fact he thought it advanced his conspiracy theory about the media and his tribalism. Seeing as he couldn’t wait to jump to that point and he has never shown a concern for it prior except when it could be used as a partisan bludgeon.

[VomKriege]

Refusal to see is the worst kind of blindness (or whatever the saying is) and Trump is the biggest demonstration of that. People have decided he would be a populist shaking things up somehow (and I can sympathize with part of the impulse), no matter how vague the form, and no amount of self delusion and cognitive dissonance is too much to keep from admitting he's a below mediocre plutocrat with no vision and an aggravating effect on all the stuff people are supposedly tired of -up to basically ignoring the dreadful failed relief to ten of thousands of US citizens-. Don't know what will break the spell ultimately but it's pretty worrying for the future.

[Nola]

As a side note to your point, the whole “outsider shaking up the system” thing always annoyed me. Even though I sympathize with the impulse as well. Because it just seems unrealistic in the face of the realities of American democracy though.

Like I had this argument with some Bernie friends who like some people, got really mad that Hillary won. Because they said they really wanted single payer and so on. And Hillary wasn’t explicitly for that.

But I would always try and point out by asking what realistically can a Bernie do that a Hillary couldn’t when you take into account the need for congressional approval of major legislation, passing muster of the courts, and as Obama pointed out often, the difficulty of moving the barge that is American bureaucracy? If your goal is fuckery and skirting obligations, sure, Trump has shown you can do that without much trouble. It’s easy to renege on the Paris Accords or ruin diplomatic relationships instead of building those things from the ground up. It seems like at best you would get marginal shifts if you want positive improvements from government though. Like maybe Bernie is a little bit more strong armed in America’s commitments to the Paris Accords and nominates some slightly more liberal judges to vacancies. However, it’s hard to imagine how magically Bernie gets a better healthcare bill passed than Hillary, or shifts American foreign policy all that much given the ingrained forces and dynamics at play here and abroad.

[Optimus]

Refusal to see is the worst kind of blindness (or whatever the saying is) and Trump is the biggest demonstration of that. People have decided he would be a populist shaking things up somehow (and I can sympathize with part of the impulse), no matter how vague the form, and no amount of self delusion and cognitive dissonance is too much to keep from admitting he's a below mediocre plutocrat with no vision and an aggravating effect on all the stuff people are supposedly tired of -up to basically ignoring the dreadful failed relief to ten of thousands of US citizens-. Don't know what will break the spell ultimately but it's pretty worrying for the future.

As long as neoliberal scumbags are in full control of the political system desperate people will continue voting for charlatans like him to break their society free from the clutches of these fucks and the ruling class that owns them. Again, Trump is a symptom not the cause.

[CatsCatsCats]

Refusal to see is the worst kind of blindness (or whatever the saying is) and Trump is the biggest demonstration of that. People have decided he would be a populist shaking things up somehow (and I can sympathize with part of the impulse), no matter how vague the form, and no amount of self delusion and cognitive dissonance is too much to keep from admitting he's a below mediocre plutocrat with no vision and an aggravating effect on all the stuff people are supposedly tired of -up to basically ignoring the dreadful failed relief to ten of thousands of US citizens-. Don't know what will break the spell ultimately but it's pretty worrying for the future.

As long as neoliberal scumbags are in full control of the political system desperate people will continue voting for charlatans like him to break their society free from the clutches of these fucks and the ruling class that owns them. Again, Trump is a symptom not the cause.

You know, I just don’t see an autobot saying this

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1002508937445478402

The people wanted Donald John Trump to be President of the United States.

Over 60 million of them.

And we thank them all

 

[Brehvolution]

Bee should have just said ivanka had no talent and her clothes don't sell.

[Nola]

As long as neoliberal scumbags are in full control of the political system desperate people will continue voting for charlatans like him to break their society free from the clutches of these fucks and the ruling class that owns them. Again, Trump is a symptom not the cause.

[Kara]

You know, I just don’t see an autobot saying this

An Autobot would be talking about how we have to deny insurgent groups access to energy even though a forever war with them had crippled all parties to the conflict.

So American foreign policy for the last N years.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1002601771053867010

Trump is now meeting with the North Koreans carrying a letter from their dear leader.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/thomas_violence/status/1002373759167107073

[D3RANG3D]

Pistols and Shotguns are automatic weapons now?

[Nola]

Pistols and Shotguns are automatic weapons now?

It’s the little differences between certain cultures, like some countries are deeply offended by children getting slaughtered at school on a regular basis, Americans get offended if you misclassify the category of weapon the killers use.   

[D3RANG3D]

I don't want anybody to be killed in that manner, I'll give Kangaroo Jack's credit though when they use the word cunt it sounds friendly.

[agrajag]

Forest, trees..

[kingv]

for whatever it's worth, Kingv, trying to find info on this supposed family member I was reminded that Kim Thong Un's long advocated for the US to recognize the Armenian Genocide and may have had meetings with Obama about it too...personally, I'd be less surprised about her being an actually informed advocate on certain issues than I would Trump caring about any of them when he talked to her or doing anything about it in response

also:

See also
Famous for being famous

I actually I think found the source of the family Camembert claim, and it looked old like it was a bad headline on some local fox affiliate that was scrubbed off of the actual article but was still in the tweet that said something like “seeks pardon for family member” but that detail was never actually in the article.

I actually used to like Glenn Greenwald during the Bush/Pbama administrations, because he was showing examples of government overreach and abuse. Trump has really made him show his ass however, as you can see he doesn’t actually care very much about those things. What he REALLY cares about is grinding an axe with the media the he perceives as slighting him in various ways. So a truly 100% corrupt administration now is in power, and instead of focusing on how corrupt they are, he instead shifts focus to showing how the media didn’t focus on this during the Obama years. It’s sad and petty and shows that in GGs eyes they will never actually be able to do anything right, because even if the “media” is focusing on the right things, he’ll just point out how they are only doing this “right now” but didn’t do it when he wanted them to do it.

Also, he’s a huge POS for taking no responsibility for burning Reality Winner.

Also, he’s got a huge blind spot for anyone that’s been a big player in any of his big stories. He’s a completely biased hagiographer for Snowden, Assange, and Chelsea Manning (who he endorsed for the Senate when she clearly is not suitable for to any reasonable person).

[Coitus]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1002601771053867010

Trump is now meeting with the North Koreans carrying a letter from their dear leader.

Getting cucked.  Leaders of powerful nations don't meet with underlings.

[Rufus]

What he REALLY cares about is grinding an axe with the media the he perceives as slighting him in various ways. So a truly 100% corrupt administration now is in power, and instead of focusing on how corrupt they are, he instead shifts focus to showing how the media didn’t focus on this during the Obama years. It’s sad and petty and shows that in GGs eyes they will never actually be able to do anything right, because even if the “media” is focusing on the right things, he’ll just point out how they are only doing this “right now” but didn’t do it when he wanted them to do it.

[Nintex]

Broke: "Trump was elected by the Rust Belt"

Woke: "Trump was elected by Wikileaks"

Bespoke: "Trump was elected by Russia"

Galaxy brain: "The Russians are listening on on their own elected stooge"

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/1002616734820552704

[Nintex]

BREAKING: NINTEX - MANDARK ODDS AT 99/1 AFTER SURPRISE UPSET

https://twitter.com/Sarah_Boxer/status/1002621307702390784

https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1002624581457281031

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1002623986558226432

 

[Mandark]

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2018/05/31/emails-between-ferguson-scr-reveal-opposition-research-against-ocon-prompt-fergusons-resignation-from-cardinal-conversations-leadership-role/

Niall Ferguson got caught coordinating with conservative students against a leftist one, including Ferguson saying they should do opposition research.

Now we turn to the more subtle game of grinding them down on the committee. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

What a dork.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1002632252214468608

 


I have this weird feeling we're getting trolled

[VomKriege]

Broke: "Trump was elected by the Rust Belt"

Woke: "Trump was elected by Wikileaks"

Bespoke: "Trump was elected by Russia"

Galaxy brain: "The Russians are listening on on their own elected stooge"

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/1002616734820552704

I mean, I'm not sure to see how it is a stretch ? It only becomes one if you believe Trump is an outright Russian puppet taking daily orders from the Politburo. An outright caricature that wouldn't hold up even for a lot of banana republic despots indebted to the backing of a Great Power in the last two centuries.

What made Trump such an enticing target is also why he's such a brittle ally. He's rash, both inconsistent as a person and certainly with regards to established US policies, cares only for his own image and easily influenced.

[agrajag]

Congressional Candidate In Virginia Admits He’s A Pedophile


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b10916de4b0d5e89e1e4824

When asked whether he’s a pedophile or just writes about pedophilia, he said, “It’s a mix of both. When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say.”

According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

Well I guess alk the anime avatar gaffers found a candidate to get behind

 

[Kara]

Libertarian moment.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1002708327552385024


Seeing stuff like this crop up. I get the point of it, but a few months ago the Trump-North Korea story was about whether we'd launch a preemptive strike, and "the president got suckered into slightly boosting a dictator's propaganda" is so much better than "the president started a shooting war and a few million people are now dead." Trump's an idiot but anything that keeps him on the diplomacy track is good.

Also maybe in general the US shouldn't fret so much about "legitimizing" states that have existed for decades and will continue to do so whether they're officially acknowledged or not.

[Kara]

The tacit admission in arguments like that tweet is that the only way anti-Korean sentiment is sustained in this country is through sensationalism (particularly in the media).

No duh, btw.

[curly]

Congressional Candidate In Virginia Admits He’s A Pedophile


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b10916de4b0d5e89e1e4824

When asked whether he’s a pedophile or just writes about pedophilia, he said, “It’s a mix of both. When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say.”

According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

Well I guess alk the anime avatar gaffers found a candidate to get behind

 

He also brags about raping his ex-wife repeatedly

[kingv]

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2018/05/31/emails-between-ferguson-scr-reveal-opposition-research-against-ocon-prompt-fergusons-resignation-from-cardinal-conversations-leadership-role/

Niall Ferguson got caught coordinating with conservative students against a leftist one, including Ferguson saying they should do opposition research.

Now we turn to the more subtle game of grinding them down on the committee. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

What a dork.

Imagine being a grown ass man plotting against a 19 year old writing editorials for the student newspaper.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1002675560122912769

[HardcoreRetro]

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1002601771053867010

Trump is now meeting with the North Koreans carrying a letter from their dear leader.

*He looks at Hangul*

"Should we translate this for you, sir?"

Trump: "I get it. Tell Kim the cheatcode for secret characters in THPS2 is SQUARE, CIRCLE, RIGHT, TRIANGLE, CIRCLE, RIGHT CIRLCLE, TRIANGLE, RIGHT, SQUARE, RIGHT, UP, UP, LEFT, UP, SQUARE."

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/RonanFarrow/status/1002708327552385024


Seeing stuff like this crop up. I get the point of it, but a few months ago the Trump-North Korea story was about whether we'd launch a preemptive strike, and "the president got suckered into slightly boosting a dictator's propaganda" is so much better than "the president started a shooting war and a few million people are now dead." Trump's an idiot but anything that keeps him on the diplomacy track is good.

Also maybe in general the US shouldn't fret so much about "legitimizing" states that have existed for decades and will continue to do so whether they're officially acknowledged or not.

It's a cute sentiment on its face but it doesn't make any sense : as if North Korean propaganda would be struggling at exploiting a belligerent USA ?
I never understood foreign policy absolutists too. Manners and decorum count, unless you're an isolationist or planning to get what you want through war and you'd think people would have sobered up on the whole regime change to enlightened Western standards rhetoric.

I do think Trump is probably getting played here but a silly photo op has nothing to do with it.

Now if he would go on a Pyongyang guided tour and marvel at the NK regime efficiency and architecture before getting what he wants, I would agree.

[Rufus]

They've got to have a golf course somewhere. Kim Kong-Il played golf. Or claimed to be extremely good at it, anyway.

[benjipwns]

The confirmed historical record showed that he got a hole in one on his first try ever golfing, I assume he gave it up because it was boring.

[benjipwns]

Also, that Potemkin Village with no residents the North set up along the DMZ to make South Koreans jealous of the amazing lifestyle to the North could make a pretty sweet extreme mini-golf course/park.

After Trump brings about peace, go ahead and send the check to the usual address, Kochs.

[benjipwns]

ah, here it is, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Village_(North_Korea)

Massive loudspeakers mounted on several of the buildings deliver DPRK propaganda broadcasts directed towards the South.[11] Originally, they extolled the North's virtues in great detail and urged disgruntled soldiers and farmers to walk across the border to be received as brothers.[17] Few if any took up the offer,[18] and they switched to anti-Western speeches, agitprop operas, and patriotic marching music for up to 20 hours a day.

The giant tower has a flag on top and it's specifically made to be 200 feet taller and be able to hold a flag twice the size of the one South Korea has on their side of the border.

[Nintex]

*SCRATCH*

*FREEZE FRAME*

"Yeah, that's me sitting in between Donald Trump and my boss. How did we get here and why are we visiting Donald Trump in the White House you ask. Boy do I have a story for you..."

[benjipwns]

Now if he would go on a Pyongyang guided tour and marvel at the NK regime efficiency and architecture before getting what he wants, I would agree.

It'd only be a fair cultural experience though: https://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/

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on topic regarding yours and mandark's quality comments about the egocentric viewpoint about stuff like photos/handshakes*, many of these US commentators really see entire nations as acting as a single unified entity and often media driven (by US media often oddly too), would never consider that maybe some of this stuff might have to do with the newer generations have totally new interests, especially when we get to the children of the nomenklatura who spent long periods of their life in the West or even living lives like it, like when Praxis exploded and the sophisticated Klingon elite saw it as a chance at move towards peace to benefit themselves

*i mention this having read that book about the Dulles Brothers, Foster Dulles was so adamant about not even in person recognizing members from places like Red China which the nation didn't recognize...the worst example being when they first held the discussions during the French pullout at Geneva, during a break, Zhou Enlai was nearly alone in a room with Foster and approached him to say hello and reached for a handshake, Dulles blatantly turned around like Zhou wasn't even there

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[Nintex]

What did Trump say to the Korean Gentlemen

A) "Did you know that if Hillary hadn't bleached her e-mails she would've been sitting here?"

B) "Kim Kardashian visited me today. You know who that is? She's perhaps the most famous person in the world. I moved on her like a bitch, I tried to grab her ass but everyone was watching you know. Kanye doesn't mind, he's like my best black friend. Do you have any blacks?"

C) "So do you live in the camps? Or is it like if your wife is not listening to you so you send her to the camps. Do you think my wife could visit the camps sometime?"