US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

Trying to decide what primary guy I'm going to be

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Biden
Pro - get some sick pragmatist cred to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, could possibly win and then we'd have a president friendly to peaceful development of socialism in China again
Con - could possibly lose, we'd get some real scumbag in his Senate seat, is already a scumbag himself on top of that, nontrivial chance of being a pedophile

Buttigieg
Pro - I'd like to see America's fourth Arab president*, get some sick ideological correct credit to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, I probably read his dad's translation of Gramsci, sympathetic to people looking to move out of Indiana
Con - anti-anti-imperialist troop, would get annihilated by Trump in every debate and lose spectacularly

Gabbard
Pro - anti-imperialist troop, won't fall victim to the Assad Curse #Lion, history with Hindutva could prove instrumental in forging durable alliances with India under Modi
Con - can she really pull off the "I swear I didn't hate LGBT people" face turn?, would probably make the FDA investigate GMO instead of doing anything useful while Mitch prevents anything from passing the Senate

Gillibrand
Pro - terminal "white person who read Sun Tzu" energy, UCLA alumna, political opportunist that could theoretically be convinced that yes we have to do something about climate change but in the meantime you could just do dank bad dragon show memes with her for the normies, powerful Borgia vibes with her family background
Con - I guess protracted people's war is more difficult with someone who got an F from the NRA? forums poster james would like me less? she sounds OK on foreign policy for now but will she stay that way after a couple of Raytheon fundraisers? "doing X to own the libs" vibe by backing a member of She Who Shall Not Be Named's coterie who was also an explicit Blue Dog (the true Green Shinobi dual threat)

Sanders
Pro - I guess he could theoretically win? would do some nice speeches while not actually accomplishing anything as president. I might vote for him in the actual election.
Con - taking a side in the grim darkness of the far center where there is only flame war. encouraging the legions of teens who read that democratic socialism is a real thing on Wikipedia. social democracy is the left wing of fascism.

Warren
Pro - might prosecute a sliver of the actual crimes committed by the business sector. increase my Social Link with Andy-kun ahead of the next Bore Con. powerful Progressive Era vibes and I am nothing if not a sucker for ideologies consigned to history that have no base of support today. I might vote for her in the actual election.
Con - terminal "I did the extra credit" vibes. terminal "the only thing the bed in my brand new Chevy Silverado hauls is the food I buy at Costco" vibes.

Williamson
Pro - the only way to beat an old person who's hot af like Trump is to run your own old person who's hot af, Pomona College represent, everyone would think I liked her because I was a Grey Wolf instead of horny, seems like she'd go on any TV program
Con - is America ready for a new era of good feeling? I don't think so. can't even win a House election and doesn't have the Gillibrand Borgia background to compensate for that.

*the previous 3 were: Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower

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dammit kara biden hasn't been a senator for a decade you're just repurposing your sherrod brown material aren't you?

[Kara]

Was going to ask you if Gloria La Riva was a strict marcyite and then saw she wrote an entire book on china

You're only ever going to interact with low level members of PSL and WWP and they skew heavily towards vanilla post-Soviet ML but leadership in those parties is still Marcyite af and very invested in keeping the schism going for reasons none of us will ever know.

[Mandark]

don't worry guys, the anti-war right wing is here

[Tasty]

Warren
Pro - increase my Social Link with Andy-kun ahead of the next Bore Con.

You know what you must do

[Kara]

Trying to decide what primary guy I'm going to be

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Biden
Pro - get some sick pragmatist cred to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, could possibly win and then we'd have a president friendly to peaceful development of socialism in China again
Con - could possibly lose, we'd get some real scumbag in his Senate seat, is already a scumbag himself on top of that, nontrivial chance of being a pedophile

Buttigieg
Pro - I'd like to see America's fourth Arab president*, get some sick ideological correct credit to offset my vote for Gloria La Riva in the actual election, I probably read his dad's translation of Gramsci, sympathetic to people looking to move out of Indiana
Con - anti-anti-imperialist troop, would get annihilated by Trump in every debate and lose spectacularly

Gabbard
Pro - anti-imperialist troop, won't fall victim to the Assad Curse #Lion, history with Hindutva could prove instrumental in forging durable alliances with India under Modi
Con - can she really pull off the "I swear I didn't hate LGBT people" face turn?, would probably make the FDA investigate GMO instead of doing anything useful while Mitch prevents anything from passing the Senate

Gillibrand
Pro - terminal "white person who read Sun Tzu" energy, UCLA alumna, political opportunist that could theoretically be convinced that yes we have to do something about climate change but in the meantime you could just do dank bad dragon show memes with her for the normies, powerful Borgia vibes with her family background
Con - I guess protracted people's war is more difficult with someone who got an F from the NRA? forums poster james would like me less? she sounds OK on foreign policy for now but will she stay that way after a couple of Raytheon fundraisers? "doing X to own the libs" vibe by backing a member of She Who Shall Not Be Named's coterie who was also an explicit Blue Dog (the true Green Shinobi dual threat)

Sanders
Pro - I guess he could theoretically win? would do some nice speeches while not actually accomplishing anything as president. I might vote for him in the actual election.
Con - taking a side in the grim darkness of the far center where there is only flame war. encouraging the legions of teens who read that democratic socialism is a real thing on Wikipedia. social democracy is the left wing of fascism.

Warren
Pro - might prosecute a sliver of the actual crimes committed by the business sector. increase my Social Link with Andy-kun ahead of the next Bore Con. powerful Progressive Era vibes and I am nothing if not a sucker for ideologies consigned to history that have no base of support today. I might vote for her in the actual election.
Con - terminal "I did the extra credit" vibes. terminal "the only thing the bed in my brand new Chevy Silverado hauls is the food I buy at Costco" vibes.

Williamson
Pro - the only way to beat an old person who's hot af like Trump is to run your own old person who's hot af, Pomona College represent, everyone would think I liked her because I was a Grey Wolf instead of horny, seems like she'd go on any TV program
Con - is America ready for a new era of good feeling? I don't think so. can't even win a House election and doesn't have the Gillibrand Borgia background to compensate for that.

*the previous 3 were: Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower

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dammit kara biden hasn't been a senator for a decade you're just repurposing your sherrod brown material aren't you?

I figured it would best reflect the effort Joe is putting into his campaign as well as the low information voter nature of his base of support.

[curly]

While we're on the subject

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1023186616452608000?lang=en

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

I'm starting to think AOC is a sleeper agent.

[agrajag]

guilty. as. charged.

 

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/RebeccaBuck/status/1141496725456195585


hoooooooooooo boy

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Has Bernie even attacked anyone at all?

I scrolled past this earlier but hellllllllllllllllll fuckin yeah he does , he regularly throws subliminals at his political opponents saying they're in the pockets of the bouj. I mean they are and he's right but an attack on credibility is still an attack. I think this is one of the reasons 'Hillary Clinton revanchists' and neocons like TA accuse his fanbase of purity testing, because they emulate this behavior as well.

I will say he is mostly polite and passive aggressive about it. A civil payola card caller.

That's not really attacking people though. Saying your stances are stupid isn't the same as calling the person stupid.

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also, what the hell @ biden above.

[Kara]

Wait just a doggone minute. The Roosevalts and Eisenhower have arab genes in em?

Teddy: Joined a cavalry regiment and turned it into a club of rich New England failsons, basically joining the Royal Saudi Air Force of his day. Thought starting wars was cool adventure for him and the squad, too. Thought he could put lipstick on the pig that was the U.S. economy of his day a la MBS and his app economy nonsense.

Frankie: Hosni Mubarak probably would have thought this guy won too many elections. Nasser for ghuraba'. Helped Saudi get to where it is today.

Dwight Schrute: Decolonization icon with his intervention in the Suez Crisis. Like any good Arab leader he made sure he invaded Lebanon at least once.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1141494728048959488

You hate to see it

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

@ing corey booker and saying "he knows better" when talking about race

This is like the time Bernie pushed those ladies off the stage.

[Mandark]

Prediction: if/when Biden implodes, there will be a ton of concern-trolling from Republicans about him being forced out because of Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, etc. along with some bullshit about how he was the one candidate they were worried about facing.

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

More like dead aids

amirite?

cause trump said so

[CatsCatsCats]

Prediction: if/when Biden implodes, there will be a ton of concern-trolling from Republicans about him being forced out because of Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, etc. along with some bullshit about how he was the one candidate they were worried about facing.

Coward Mandark picks another heavy peach

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/js44095/status/1141478554200412162

https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1141479915424047104

https://twitter.com/SilERabbit/status/1141482841219325952

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Sleepy Joe was forced out of the Democratic Party because he wasn't a radical feminist socialist who hates America! Very Sad!

you forgot a comma

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/SilERabbit/status/1141554774019457024

[Cauliflower Of Love]

they're doing Biden dirty as fuck. i'm just glad Bernie isn't joining in.

Biden would be a great president.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1141154036588122113

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I need some FEC documents for the 24 for 24 fund raiseing claim from the trump & co campaign.

[Oblivion]

Prediction: if/when Biden implodes, there will be a ton of concern-trolling from Republicans about him being forced out because of Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, etc. along with some bullshit about how he was the one candidate they were worried about facing.

Don't forget, you're going to see a shitton of Bidenbros coming out of the woodwork who, coincidentally, support every rightwing talking point known to man,  bitching about "establishment dems" forcing them to support Trump instead.

[Mandark]

Biden getting dunked on by fucking Jon Chait.

[curly]

The two examples in The New York Times article on Biden of him finding common ground with segregationists were opposing busing and the crime bill

[Trent Dole]

https://twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/1141532925193805826
Joe continues to fail to clear the 'not as bad as' bar. Go away.

[Mandark]

I was gonna say, the big bipartisan accomplishments I associate with Biden are the crime and bankruptcy bills, and they're both liabilities for him. At least Hillary, if she'd wanted, could point to working with Orrin Hatch to create CHIP and get health care for poor kids.

Though given Biden's campaign history, maybe he'll just say that was him.

[Dickie Dee]

https://twitter.com/T_FisherKing/status/1141159875491368960

[benjipwns]

Sad to see even Godwin has gotten tired of correcting people as to what his Law actually says. It's properly a Law because it makes no moral judgement. I can't find the article now, but somebody tried to find the original point at which it diverged to its more common usage of invoking Nazis means you lose. I've always figured it's in the UseNet archives because I can recall it almost as early as I came across the Godwin's Law which was probably like 1998-ish.

Reductio ad Hitlerum actually dates to the early 1950s IIRC. Leo Strauss, of all people, coined it in reference to US/Soviet both accusing the other of invoking Hitler against the other.

Obligatory Annie Hall reference:

[Kara]

Biden getting dunked on by fucking Jon Chait.

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1141435831888076803

[Mandark]

kara i do not like any part of that tweet

[benjipwns]

can we really afford to risk Jonathan Chait or Bhaskar Sunkara tearing an achilles?

[Mandark]

Hey, guess who the big star for conservatives was at the reparations hearing? Coleman Hughes!

benji, you told me this wouldn't happen.

[benjipwns]

to be fair, they already broke the glass on Candice Owens for a Congressional hearing

[benjipwns]

this is a great way to ramp up into the debates:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/20/joe-biden-death-penalty-1371932

Does Joe Biden still believe in the death penalty? His campaign won't say

An aside by the Democratic hopeful at a town hall triggers questions about whether he's changed his mind on another hot-button issue.

Biden’s campaign would not comment on his answer, or shed light on whether he’s changed his position on the death penalty. The ACLU also declined to weigh in, given the ambiguity of his comment.

Biden's support for the death penalty was consistent throughout his 30-plus years in the Senate. Whether that stand holds will be another case study of how he reconciles long-held beliefs with the leftward march of his party. His record is full of tough-on-crime bills and statements that were in line with Bill Clinton-style centrism, but now look out of step.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-sidesteps-questions-sons-foreign-business-dealings-promises/story?id=63820806

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden declined to answer questions on the campaign trail this week about his son's overseas business dealings in countries where the then-vice president was conducting diplomatic work, an issue his political opponents have already begun to wield against him as he wades into the 2020 presidential campaign.

More than once, after his father engaged in diplomacy on behalf of the United States in foreign countries, Hunter Biden conducted business in the same country. At two separate campaign stops on Monday, Biden avoided questions about his son while his staff blocked reporters from approaching the candidate.

Biden's campaign did provide ABC News with a statement saying the former vice president has always adhered to "well-established executive branch ethics standards," adding that if Biden wins the White House he will issue an executive order to "address conflicts of interest of any kind."

"This process will be set out in detail in the executive order," the statement reads, "that President Biden would issue on his first day in office."

The ethics pledge follows renewed questions about a pair of overseas business opportunities involving Hunter Biden – one in Ukraine, another in China – that already have begun to generate political attacks from Joe Biden's conservative critics. Ethics experts interviewed by ABC News said these are legitimate questions about possible past and future conflicts of interest.

Within weeks of [Joe Biden's] visit, Ukraine's largest energy producer, Burisma Energy, appointed Hunter Biden to a paid directorship on the firm's board.

Just months before, in December of 2013, there was a similar episode when the then-vice president led an Obama administration effort to tamp down tensions in the Far East. Hunter Biden disembarked from Air Force Two in Beijing alongside his father, ahead of a series of meetings between the vice president and several high-ranking members of China's ruling party. Upon his departure, Joe Biden called Chinese President Xi Jinping a "good friend."

Within weeks of that visit, Hunter Biden was doing business there, as a participant in a firm called Bohai Harvest RST. The corporation formed a novel Chinese-American investment partnership that involved such Chinese state-owned firms as the Bank of China. Reports at the time said they sought to raise $1.5 billion.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

What's the the deal with coleman hughes*? I listened to his  opening statement, didn't seem that egregious. The dude in the background shaking his head was entertaining though. Like his stance on reparations isn't outlandish from what I saw/heard.



*that name though

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Who's going to war?

The US drone shot down by Iran had masked its identification equipment after being launched from a US base south of the Gulf, Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) said Thursday, according to the country’s Fars news agency.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-drone-shot-down-latest-intl/index.html


everyone

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1141498155328069632

checkmate liebertards

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Booker is one of the most powerful figures in the nation? 2%


Also, carlson is saying what coleman said. So I see it now. lol

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/1141371934875234304

[Cauliflower Of Love]

See these are attacks.

Not the milktoast things bernie says.

[benjipwns]

I wonder if anyone is going to try and take down all the other people under 1% and hopefully collect their support while everyone else focuses on Biden, Bernie, etc.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

why is there a limit of 850 on predict it?

is this the 1% controlling the poors?

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/1141371934875234304

you hate to see it

[benjipwns]

Fox News host Tucker Carlson tore into Charles and David Koch on his show Wednesday night, arguing that the billionaire Republican donors are largely to blame for the resistance President Trump is meeting from his own party.

...

"But in the case of the Kochs, conservatives might want to pause and rethink the relationship," Carlson continued. "As it turns out, the Kochs don’t have much in common with conservatives. They are totally opposed to most conservative policy goals. The Kochs are libertarian ideologues, passionate and inflexible."

"America first? The Kochs find the very notion of that absurd, if not fascist. An economic policy that seeks to strengthen families? The Kochs denounce that as ‘crony capitalism,’ or ‘picking winners and losers.’ They think it’s immoral and they’ll tell you so. Controlling our borders? The Kochs consider that racist.

"The overwhelming majority of Republicans want a secure border and less immigration," he said. "That’s why they voted for Donald Trump. Two-and-a-half years later, the border is more porous than ever. A tide of humanity is flooding in illegally. Republicans in Congress have done almost nothing to help. Why? You can thank the Kochs for that."

...

"The Koch network has also successfully pushed Republicans to join the left in going soft on crime. The Kochs aggressively backed the First Step Act,  which is currently allowing drug traffickers to leave prison early. They support the Sentencing Reform and Corrections Act, which would cut required penalties for heroin and cocaine traffickers in half. They’re doing all this, remember, in the middle of the deadliest drug epidemic in American history. The Kochs don’t even argue that these so-called reforms will help law abiding Americans in any way. They just believe it’s the libertarian thing to do.

...

From crime and drugs to Medicare and tax cuts, Carlson further condemned the Kochs for their stance on several other issues "that bear no resemblance to those of most Republican voters."

Carlson also accused the Kochs of colluding with the "left-wing campaign against free speech," joining with tech companies such as Pinterest, AirBNB, Patreon, and Mozilla, which hope to formulate the "best practices on the fight against hate and extremism online," which Carlson argued really means censorship.

"Big tech has become a far bigger threat to your freedom than government is," Carlson concluded. "The Kochs don’t care. Nothing Google does violates libertarian orthodoxy. More to the point, the Kochs don’t care about Republican voters or what happens to them. OK, but then why are they running the Republican Party? That’s a question Republicans should start asking themselves."

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1141705129684545537

[Joe Molotov]

they're not concentration camps, they're just really focused camps

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I just heard npr voice my concerns. Vindicated

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/SymoneDSanders/status/1141452537725427713

https://twitter.com/SymoneDSanders/status/1141452538610442240

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

She want's that vp slot so bad.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1141705129684545537

A reminder, these are children.

[agrajag]

I don't think they give VP slots to campaign strategists breh.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I don't think they give VP slots to campaign strategists breh.

Not yet, wait until Vice President Tina Turner.

[agrajag]

Nina Turner is a state senator

[Cauliflower Of Love]

was

[agrajag]

ok?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

ok.