Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 7122134 times)

Tripon · « **Reply #35160 on:** June 22, 2019, 11:29:07 PM »

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CHARLESTON, S.C. — As President Trump fixates on former Vice President Joe Biden as his opponent in the 2020 general election, some moderate Democrats are more afraid of Bernie Sanders becoming the eventual nominee.

Driving the news: A two-day conference hosted here by the centrist Democratic group Third Way focused on helping Democrats figure out "the way to win" in 2020 — and they're sick of economic messages that focus on "free stuff" rather than opportunity, as former North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp put it.

They're not down with Medicare for All, and shared data to back up their fear. Among 1,291 Democratic primary voters polled by Third Way, there's a 17-point difference in support for Medicare for All between "Twitter Democrats" and Democratic primary voters as a whole.
In fact, they'd love if all the 2020 Democrats got off Twitter entirely. Listening to the Twitterverse "will help re-elect Donald Trump," according to Lanae Erickson, Third Way's SVP for social policy and politics.
They're also trying to obliterate the "blue bubble" created by liberals — perpetuated, they say, by appearances on networks like MSNBC and an obsession with online reach. "If you killed it on that podcast, I assure you we did not hear you," said Steve Benjamin, mayor of Columbia, S.C.
Things like free college are "fluffy" and perceived as "handouts," said Anna Tovar, mayor of Tolleson, Arizona. Particularly with Latinx Democrats, she said, "They want to work towards [those opportunities] and be proud of that."
Yes, but: Many of the serious 2020 Democratic contenders are calling for and engaging with the things they decry — so the problem is bigger than Bernie.

But Elizabeth Warren — who’s viewed as the closest candidate to Bernie ideologically — gets a pass with these moderates. They say she’s focused on a Democratic capitalist message, while they view Bernie as a full-blown socialist.
What they're saying: These things are politically potent for Republicans. "We shouldn't be running on these ideas; we should be running from them," said Jon Cowan, Third Way's president.

Be smart: President Trump will label any of the candidates a Democratic socialist, to varying degrees of success, but these folks are adamant anyone but Bernie can win: a gay mayor; an African American woman; a Latino from Texas; a former vice president.

"But I don't believe a self-described Democratic socialist can beat Donald Trump," said Cowan.
The bottom line: Expect the tension between liberals and centrists within the Democratic party to grow even more as these issues (Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, etc.) get prime airtime at the debates.

https://www.axios.com/third-way-conference-moderate-democrats-2020-26195496-76a9-445f-acd2-0ecfa88d7328.html

Third way can't even list one thing they want Democrats to be for.

Tripon · « **Reply #35161 on:** June 22, 2019, 11:54:13 PM »

This is way more woke than I expected of The Hill.

james · « **Reply #35162 on:** June 22, 2019, 11:55:16 PM »

Obama never canceled massive deportation raids.

Makes you think

james · « **Reply #35163 on:** June 23, 2019, 12:00:02 AM »

https://twitter.com/CommissBratton/status/1142478645614862336

Trent Dole · « **Reply #35164 on:** June 23, 2019, 12:55:45 AM »

Quote from: Tripon on June 22, 2019, 11:29:07 PM

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C"If you killed it on that podcast, I assure you we did not hear you," said Steve Benjamin, mayor of Columbia, S.C.
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agrajag · « **Reply #35165 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:46:10 AM »

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1142326386138537984

team filler · « **Reply #35166 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:58:48 AM »

team filler · « **Reply #35167 on:** June 23, 2019, 03:42:06 AM »

Nintex · « **Reply #35168 on:** June 23, 2019, 05:21:32 AM »

Quote from: Tripon on June 22, 2019, 11:29:07 PM

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CHARLESTON, S.C. — As President Trump fixates on former Vice President Joe Biden as his opponent in the 2020 general election, some moderate Democrats are more afraid of Bernie Sanders becoming the eventual nominee.

Driving the news: A two-day conference hosted here by the centrist Democratic group Third Way focused on helping Democrats figure out "the way to win" in 2020 — and they're sick of economic messages that focus on "free stuff" rather than opportunity, as former North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp put it.

They're not down with Medicare for All, and shared data to back up their fear. Among 1,291 Democratic primary voters polled by Third Way, there's a 17-point difference in support for Medicare for All between "Twitter Democrats" and Democratic primary voters as a whole.
In fact, they'd love if all the 2020 Democrats got off Twitter entirely. Listening to the Twitterverse "will help re-elect Donald Trump," according to Lanae Erickson, Third Way's SVP for social policy and politics.
They're also trying to obliterate the "blue bubble" created by liberals — perpetuated, they say, by appearances on networks like MSNBC and an obsession with online reach. "If you killed it on that podcast, I assure you we did not hear you," said Steve Benjamin, mayor of Columbia, S.C.
Things like free college are "fluffy" and perceived as "handouts," said Anna Tovar, mayor of Tolleson, Arizona. Particularly with Latinx Democrats, she said, "They want to work towards [those opportunities] and be proud of that."
Yes, but: Many of the serious 2020 Democratic contenders are calling for and engaging with the things they decry — so the problem is bigger than Bernie.

But Elizabeth Warren — who’s viewed as the closest candidate to Bernie ideologically — gets a pass with these moderates. They say she’s focused on a Democratic capitalist message, while they view Bernie as a full-blown socialist.
What they're saying: These things are politically potent for Republicans. "We shouldn't be running on these ideas; we should be running from them," said Jon Cowan, Third Way's president.

Be smart: President Trump will label any of the candidates a Democratic socialist, to varying degrees of success, but these folks are adamant anyone but Bernie can win: a gay mayor; an African American woman; a Latino from Texas; a former vice president.

"But I don't believe a self-described Democratic socialist can beat Donald Trump," said Cowan.
The bottom line: Expect the tension between liberals and centrists within the Democratic party to grow even more as these issues (Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, etc.) get prime airtime at the debates.

https://www.axios.com/third-way-conference-moderate-democrats-2020-26195496-76a9-445f-acd2-0ecfa88d7328.html

Third way can't even list one thing they want Democrats to be for.

I can't believe the Democrats are trying hard to tank themselves again by focusing on what happens post-election as opposed to actually winning the Presidency first.

They really learned nothing from Trump.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #35169 on:** June 23, 2019, 05:24:35 AM »

God shut up

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35170 on:** June 23, 2019, 07:53:31 AM »

Quote from: filler on June 23, 2019, 02:58:48 AM

aloha queen

Nintex · « **Reply #35171 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:05:36 AM »

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1142757809680977921

Bibi looks happy to see John

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35172 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:58:27 AM »

imagine being potus and having john elton deal with foreign affairs.

Tripon · « **Reply #35173 on:** June 23, 2019, 10:45:05 AM »

CBS has a 23:33 minute interview with Bernie Sanders on Face the Nation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-sen-bernie-sanders-on-face-the-nation/

Tripon · « **Reply #35174 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:10:38 PM »

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Former Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania announced he’s running for president, joining an already crowded field of Democrats aiming to unseat President Donald Trump.

In a video posted to his website Saturday, the 67-year-old retired U.S. Navy officer said his “global canvas of service” has prepared him for the presidency.

“I wore the cloth of the nation for over 31 years in peace and war,” Sestak said in the video. “I learned integrity’s values by my parents living them: service to country, to others, above self with accountability in answering one’s self.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-sestak-2020-president-133859800.html

Kara · « **Reply #35175 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:26:34 PM »

Fair play, if there's one thing the field currently lacks it's a troop.

Mandark · « **Reply #35176 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:28:31 PM »

"I wish our primary voters had multiple choices and didn't feel like a single candidate was being forced on them by the establishment."

*finger curls on monkey's paw*

team filler · « **Reply #35177 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:38:49 PM »

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1142188087872823297

Nintex · « **Reply #35178 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:41:06 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2019, 01:28:31 PM

"I wish our primary voters had multiple choices and didn't feel like a single candidate was being forced on them by the establishment."

Yeah imagine if someone would run against the establishment and hijack a political party with his friends. Now that would be something.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #35179 on:** June 23, 2019, 01:48:55 PM »

Quote from: filler on June 23, 2019, 01:38:49 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1142188087872823297

Sad that Scott Walker exists.

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35180 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:22:37 PM »

Sad that people are getting away with calling fetuses a child.

Quote from: Tripon on June 23, 2019, 10:45:05 AM

CBS has a 23:33 minute interview with Bernie Sanders on Face the Nation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-transcript-sen-bernie-sanders-on-face-the-nation/

I tried to watch this, but I think I'm fatigued by Bernie at this point. Can't believe Hillary ruined it.

Nintex · « **Reply #35181 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:39:08 PM »

Bernard is not doing himself favors with that interview.

*Question about Kushner and Israel*
Best response: "LMAO sure, let him send Kushner to make a deal. Maybe send some of the other "best people" as well. Who's not locked up or fired at this point?"

Bernard: "Israel has a right to exist and all that BUT..."

Tripon · « **Reply #35182 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:46:24 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on June 23, 2019, 02:39:08 PM

Bernard is not doing himself favors with that interview.

*Question about Kushner and Israel*
Best response: "LMAO sure, let him send Kushner to make a deal. Maybe send some of the other "best people" as well. Who's not locked up or fired at this point?"

Bernard: "Israel has a right to exist and all that BUT..."

You don't have to make up quotes, I linked the transcript.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: So, how would President Sanders resolve this?

SEN. SANDERS: I'll tell you how we would. Look. This is a tough issue and I'm not saying it's- anyone can easily resolve- but this is what I would say. I would say to Iran I would say to Saudi Arabia I would say to Israel I would say to the other countries in that region, "you know what, you have been at war in one way or another for decade after decade after decade. And by the wars have not only impacted your own people. They have impacted the United States to the tune of trillions of dollars and five thousand lost lives. We will play a role in bringing you together. And if you need economic aid, we will provide the economic aid. We will provide the resources, but we are not simply going to give more and more weaponry to Saudi Arabia, to Israel." We've are going to try to bring people together for what I admit, Margaret, I admit it will not be easy, but that's what the role of I think the US should be not simply to be part of the story of war efforts in the region.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You've been outspoken in your defense of Palestinian human rights. You've been critical of the Netanyahu government in Israel. Jared Kushner plans to unveil a fifty billion dollar plan in investment in Palestinians--

SEN. SANDERS: Yeah, but--

MARGARET BRENNAN: --what do you think of this?

SEN. SANDERS: Well I think you know you have to be- Jared Kushner can sit up there and say, "this is what I want to do." Who is he working with? Is he working with the Palestinian people? So I think what has to be done is all I have been in terms of the Middle East is you know I believe 100 percent in Israel's right to exist in peace and security when I was a kid I lived in Israel for a while, okay, I got family in Israel. But I believe that the United States has got to play an even handed role in the Middle East. Right now in Gaza, for example, it is a humanitarian disaster. You have unemployment rate at 60, 70. 80 percent. Kids have no life in front of them. And it is going to boil over. No question about it. You've got to deal with that issue.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you cut aid to Israel if--

SEN. SANDERS: I would sit down--

MARGARET BRENNAN: If they try to annex the West Bank as Netanyahu said?

SEN. SANDERS: I would sit down with- with Israel and say look you get- I don't know what it is, maybe 3 billion a year or something, I don't know what an exact number is, something--

MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.

SEN. SANDERS: --like three billion a year and say, "look you want military aid from the United States you're going to have to treat the Palestinian people and that region with respect that we intend to work with you to do that."

agrajag · « **Reply #35183 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:54:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/Ventuckyspaz/status/1142649914364575744

Added a couple of bodies to my digital graveyard, #yolo

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35184 on:** June 23, 2019, 02:57:16 PM »

what a dickhead

team filler · « **Reply #35185 on:** June 23, 2019, 04:40:40 PM »

https://twitter.com/isaiah_kb/status/1142864592235896832

Nintex · « **Reply #35186 on:** June 23, 2019, 04:47:45 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 23, 2019, 02:54:51 PM

https://twitter.com/Ventuckyspaz/status/1142649914364575744

Added a couple of bodies to my digital graveyard, #yolo

Lol, like she got caught with her hands in the cookie jar.

Nintex · « **Reply #35187 on:** June 23, 2019, 04:50:06 PM »

Maybe the real pen pals were the dictators we met along the way

https://twitter.com/business/status/1142896912410009604

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35188 on:** June 23, 2019, 05:32:04 PM »

jesus

Nintex · « **Reply #35189 on:** June 23, 2019, 06:00:01 PM »

There has been an interview
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1142897390208344065

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #35190 on:** June 23, 2019, 06:15:56 PM »

should have hired hillary instead.

amirite

Mandark · « **Reply #35191 on:** June 23, 2019, 06:57:38 PM »

I see you and raise

https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1141202338645979136

Occam · « **Reply #35192 on:** June 23, 2019, 07:19:09 PM »

Has this been posted?
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-governor-sends-police-to-find-missing-republicans-bring-them-to-capitol.html

Kara · « **Reply #35193 on:** June 23, 2019, 07:58:07 PM »

Sort of, the story at the top of the page is related to it.

Mandark · « **Reply #35194 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:09:52 PM »

Biden himself keeps bringing up his work with segregationists from decades ago, against his aides' advice. If he puts it out there, hard to complain when someone checks his characterization against the historical record. Especially since he already has a record of bullshitting about his past involvement with civil rights.

More generally, he can't be the strongest campaigner and best shot to beat Trump while also needing the kid gloves treatment.

james · « **Reply #35195 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:32:54 PM »

Quote from: shosta on June 23, 2019, 08:21:17 PM

I just realized this is going to end up in the debates this week

Get your predictit bets in now

curly · « **Reply #35196 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:34:06 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2019, 08:09:52 PM

Biden himself keeps bringing up his work with segregationists from decades ago, against his aides' advice. If he puts it out there, hard to complain when someone checks his characterization against the historical record. Especially since he already has a record of bullshitting about his past involvement with civil rights.

More generally, he can't be the strongest campaigner and best shot to beat Trump while also needing the kid gloves treatment.

Seriously, how do you put all your hope in the guy who's already sunk a presidential campaign through his own ineptitude

agrajag · « **Reply #35197 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:43:22 PM »

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1142568941539094529

team filler · « **Reply #35198 on:** June 23, 2019, 08:56:50 PM »

dude really thought he was just gonna waltz into the presidency with abuela out he way

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #35199 on:** June 23, 2019, 09:19:02 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2019, 08:09:52 PM

More generally, he can't be the strongest campaigner and best shot to beat Trump while also needing the kid gloves treatment.

It's also hard to argue that he's the strongest candidate when his previous campaign for President was torpedoed by exactly the same problems.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #35200 on:** June 23, 2019, 11:12:10 PM »

https://twitter.com/MIGOPChair/status/1142884175567118336
https://twitter.com/Billiions2x/status/1142992805075156992

Nintex · « **Reply #35201 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:47:21 AM »

Lmao

https://twitter.com/Oregon_GOP/status/1142619631095439360

BIONIC · « **Reply #35202 on:** June 24, 2019, 06:26:40 AM »

https://twitter.com/helenkennedy/status/1142829004073967616

Tasty · « **Reply #35203 on:** June 24, 2019, 09:43:56 AM »

Is the official Oregon GOP bragging about causing a treasonous insurrection in their state?

kingv · « **Reply #35204 on:** June 24, 2019, 10:51:07 AM »

Quote from: filler on June 23, 2019, 08:56:50 PM

dude really thought he was just gonna waltz into the presidency with abuela out he way

I’m just waiting for his inevitable “white people can be n-word too! And Being a n-word is a way of acting, not about the color of your skin”

I wonder if there is a tipping point where he finally blows it with black primary voters, because without them he’s pretty much toast.

james · « **Reply #35205 on:** June 24, 2019, 10:54:17 AM »

Census case and Gerry case at SCOTUS likely to be revealed Wednesday

Stay tuned for the end of democracy.

agrajag · « **Reply #35206 on:** June 24, 2019, 12:12:42 PM »

back in my day, the golden days, you'd be lucky to drink from the same water fountain as me, uppity BOY! We knew how to get things done!

Kara · « **Reply #35207 on:** June 24, 2019, 12:22:19 PM »

no shame

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/1142618644142284801

Tripon · « **Reply #35208 on:** June 24, 2019, 12:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Kara on June 24, 2019, 12:22:19 PM

no shame

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/1142618644142284801

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/25/iowa-steve-king-austria-unzensuriert-freedom-party-depths-holocaust-neo-nazi-holocaust-election-vote/1765526002/

That was the same trip where he visited a far right political party in Austria. Funded by a Holocaust memorial nonprofit.

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King toured Holocaust sites last year on a trip funded by a Holocaust memorial nonprofit. During his trip, he reportedly met with members of an Austrian far-right political party associated with the neo-Nazi movement, according to the Des Moines Register.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/449941-ocasio-cortez-calls-out-steve-king-liz-cheney-amid-controversy-over

Tripon · « **Reply #35209 on:** June 24, 2019, 01:02:47 PM »

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Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio), a former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, says that White House hopeful Pete Buttigieg has a serious problem with African American voters.

“Pete has a black problem,” Fudge told The Daily Beast, referring to the South Bend, Ind., mayor. “I don’t know of one black person out of Indiana that supports him.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/450032-black-democratic-lawmaker-on-buttigieg-pete-has-a-black-problem

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When he was in South Bend on Friday, a woman confronted Buttigieg about his desire to win over black voters in the city.

“You’re running for president and you want black people to vote for you?” the woman said. “That’s not going to happen.”

“Ma’am, I’m not asking for your vote,” Buttigieg responded.

When presented with Buttigieg’s comments, Fudge told the Daily Beast that they depict a sense of “arrogance” and “entitlement.”

Buttigieg's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Fudge's remarks.

james · « **Reply #35210 on:** June 24, 2019, 01:39:55 PM »

The refereeing at the women's world cup has made me skeptical that women should be allowed to make critical decisions.

Today they say that was a penalty. Tomorrow they say we must bomb Iran.

Nintex · « **Reply #35211 on:** June 24, 2019, 01:47:45 PM »

Quote from: Kara on June 24, 2019, 12:22:19 PM

no shame

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/1142618644142284801

There's no cooking or selfie opportunity and she has to go to Europe where she's not YEET.

No chance she'll take up the offer.

Tripon · « **Reply #35212 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:25:37 PM »

http://www.startribune.com/new-documents-revisit-questions-about-rep-ilhan-omar-s-marriage/511681362/

The largest Minn. newspaper decided there really was something to the rumor that Omar really did marry her fake/real brother? to get him American citizenship and really did let two of their investigative reporters work on this story.

Jacob Wohl wins?

This is a WTF story.

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New investigative documents released by a state agency have given fresh life to lingering questions about the marital history of Rep. Ilhan Omar and whether she once married a man — possibly her own brother — to skirt immigration laws.

Omar has denied the allegations in the past, dismissing them as “baseless rumors” first raised in an online Somali politics forum and championed by conservative bloggers during her 2016 campaign for the Minnesota House. But she said little then or since about Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, the former husband who swept into her life in 2009 before a 2011 separation.

The questions surfaced again this month in a state probe of campaign finance violations showing that Omar filed federal taxes in 2014 and 2015 with her current husband, Ahmed Hirsi, while she was still legally married to but separated from Elmi.

Although she has legally corrected the discrepancy, she has declined to say anything about how or why it happened.

The new documents also detail the Omar campaign’s efforts to keep the story of her marriage to Elmi out of the press, arguing that detailed coverage would legitimize the accusations and invade her privacy.

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J. Patrick Coolican is a Star Tribune political reporter who began his career by starting a website and following the 2000 presidential campaign. He's been a journalist in seven different states, and in 2013-14 was a Knight Wallace Fellow at the University of Michigan.

patrick.coolican@startribune.com 651-925-5042
Stephen Montemayor covers politics and government in Minnesota. He previously reported on federal courts and law enforcement for the Star Tribune.

stephen.montemayor@startribune.com 612-673-1755 smontemayor

agrajag · « **Reply #35213 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:38:29 PM »

Beta just introduced a policy to tax non-military-industrial-complex-participating-people to pay for veterans' healthcare, when he could just cut defense spending.

team filler · « **Reply #35214 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:42:34 PM »

https://twitter.com/aurabogado/status/1143198863559237632

EightBitNate · « **Reply #35215 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:47:54 PM »

Sanders will get the majority of the Harris/Buttegg/Warren votes when it’s just Biden vs Sanders, right?

Nintex · « **Reply #35216 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:50:07 PM »

Quote from: EightBitNate on June 24, 2019, 02:47:54 PM

Sanders will get the majority of the Harris/Buttegg/Warren votes when it’s just Biden vs Sanders, right?

Parts of the Democratic party are again working actively to prevent the nomination of Sanders.
He'll never be nominated by the Democrats, why doesn't he learn?

He would have a better shot running in the Republican primary.

Tripon · « **Reply #35217 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:52:51 PM »

This guy's meme game needs work.

agrajag · « **Reply #35218 on:** June 24, 2019, 02:53:36 PM »

amir0X not looking good these days

Tripon · « **Reply #35219 on:** June 24, 2019, 03:04:43 PM »

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1142863097260126210

George Conway retweeting Brianna Wu. We live in a society.

News:

Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 7122134 times)