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[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/ 

Finale Firework decides to pull out his dick and start masturbating.

[blaze]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/ 

Finale Firework decides to pull out his dick and start masturbating.

jesus fucking christ

[Nabbis]

Very useful if you're a dentist and have a type.
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article106157943/Die-wohl-blondeste-Zahnarztpraxis-Deutschlands.html

That's just fucking creepy.

[Pepinappe]

Jeenus at all the posters in the NPD thread blaming Wolf II's weak sales to the alt-right.

I looked through four pages of boring chatter because of this post. Link the posts fuck 

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1059459/

There are a couple in the same vein prior to that post.

[blaze]

They are babies.

Less rules and a more laxist moderation is exactly what we need if we want this place to turn into another 4chan with shitty memes where minorities are the butt of all the jokes.
We don't need a discussion about whether or not we think we allow marginalized groups should be allowed to live or not.

[Pepinappe]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1078745/

Didn't they say the same thing about GAF before it went haywire? 

[Momo]

Glad that group of cunts have self contained tbh, if only they could take the 'social media is my life' crowd with them, that would be great.

[Bravotyler]

Every time a game gaf likes bombs they just say "they didn't market it!" as a reflex excuse. Wolfenstein II got plenty of marketing, I guess they're just in shock that the tweets taking jabs at Trump/alt-right (far from a niche market) didn't compel millions of people to drop $60 on something.

[Momo]

Is wolfenstein even a good game? Any of you play it? all i've ever heard about it is some twitter controversy stuff.

[blaze]

The first game was very good. Enjoyable single player campaign, little to no fluff and a surprisingly good story. World building was excellent. Worth playing. Second seems to be very similar.

[fistfulofmetal]

Wolfenstein 2 is great. Story and characters are fantastic. Combat is challenging. It's damn good.

[kingv]

I think it’s good but not great. Doom 2016 is, IMO, quite a bit better. It does have some cool set pieces though. One you are in a building that is being elevated in the sky, but it starts getting dropped and the whole map shifts around you. It’s pretty cool.

Overall, It’s about as good as the last Wolfenstein game. I don’t think it’s the type of game that’s designed to blow the doors off in sales.

It also only had 2 days of sales in the charts.

Overall, Shadow of War didn’t deserve its spot. It’s about as by the numbers of a sequel as is possible. I didn’t hate it but nor did I love it. It’s very much like playing the first game.

[fistfulofmetal]

Doom is definitely a better game, no doubt.

[Momo]

Just checked and I actually own Wolfenstein the first order, should probably play it after im done binging on Punisher.

[venereology]

Wolfenstein 2 is great. Story and characters are fantastic. Combat is challenging. It's damn good.

Doom is definitely a better game, no doubt.

both of these are true. but yeah you certainly can't blame marketing budget on wolf not selling well. but i'd also wager you can't blame the alt-right with a straight face either.

[blaze]

I’m bad at first person shooters so I didn’t love the doom demo. I’ll go back to it one days

[Nintex]

Wolfenstein TNO is great, Wolfenstein II is half great.

It's two games in one. After a great intro it starts out as a bizarre political commentary and you will find some of the weirdest shit you've ever in games.
At some point a Ginger Scotsman is called out as a WHITE FASCIST PIG by another polygon form. It was quite something. 

Halfway through it seems like someone said: "Enough of this shit, let's kill some Nazi's" and it actually turns good.
However they cut a whole bunch of gameplay mechanics and simplified some things.
It has some moments that are better than the first game but overall the first game was a more complete and balanced package.

[FStop7]

Is wolfenstein even a good game? Any of you play it? all i've ever heard about it is some twitter controversy stuff.

No.  The shooting sucks and the story is stupid.

[Nintex]

Duckroll was quick to hit that report button 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-3#post-1082867

Explaining how opinions vary and you might not like everyone is enough to get you warned apparently.

In the spirit of togetherness soon Tyler will be welcomed through the gates /sarcasm

[seagrams hotsauce]

I think it’s good but not great. Doom 2016 is, IMO, quite a bit better. It does have some cool set pieces though. One you are in a building that is being elevated in the sky, but it starts getting dropped and the whole map shifts around you. It’s pretty cool.

Overall, It’s about as good as the last Wolfenstein game. I don’t think it’s the type of game that’s designed to blow the doors off in sales.

I'd say it's better if only for the absolutely bonkers story. That and it isn't plagued by the terrible end boss of TNO

[Nola]

Wolfenstein 2 is great. Story and characters are fantastic. Combat is challenging. It's damn good.

Doom is definitely a better game, no doubt.

both of these are true. but yeah you certainly can't blame marketing budget on wolf not selling well. but i'd also wager you can't blame the alt-right with a straight face either.

I'm sure someone can try and sell it to me, but I just never understood why publishers don't spread their releases out more. Or why a company would be shocked their game under-performed when you release at the tail end of the busiest two months in gaming.

I would of bought Wolfenstein had several other games not came out within weeks of Wolfenstein. I already play a lot less than I used to so I am just backlogging Wolfenstein til I can get it on Steam sale or something. Some of the luke warm reviews aren't helping either.

[zomgee]

Wolfenstein 2 is great. Story and characters are fantastic. Combat is challenging. It's damn good.

Doom is definitely a better game, no doubt.

both of these are true. but yeah you certainly can't blame marketing budget on wolf not selling well. but i'd also wager you can't blame the alt-right with a straight face either.

I'm sure someone can try and sell it to me, but I just never understood why publishers don't spread their releases out more. Or why a company would be shocked their game under-performed when you release at the tail end of the busiest two months in gaming.

I would of bought Wolfenstein had several other games not came out within weeks of Wolfenstein. I already play a lot less than I used to so I am just backlogging Wolfenstein til I can get it on Steam sale or something. Some of the luke warm reviews aren't helping either.

I feel like you nailed it. It's a good game, but a better release timing could have given it a chance for more sales. Release it in September or August!

[Optimus]

Every time a game gaf likes bombs they just say "they didn't market it!" as a reflex excuse. Wolfenstein II got plenty of marketing, I guess they're just in shock that the tweets taking jabs at Trump/alt-right (far from a niche market) didn't compel millions of people to drop $60 on something.

And maybe gamers weren't that excited that the marketing dumbfucks are exploiting a fucked up political situation for sales. Shocking that their classy technique didn't pan out.

[venereology]

that's cute if you think most "gamers" actually put that much thought into anything

[Great Rumbler]

Wolfenstein has sold about 200k on Steam, so it's probably doing okay.

[Optimus]

that's cute if you think most "gamers" actually put that much thought into anything

I'm analyzing a thought process that only happens subconsciously in most people's minds, marketing afterall is mostly about subconsciously influencing consumers.  Obviously their divisive marketing campaign didn't work as well as they hoped.

[Boredfrom]

that's cute if you think most "gamers" actually put that much thought into anything

I'm analyzing a thought process that only happens subconsciously in most people's minds, marketing afterall is mostly about subconsciously influencing consumers.  Obviously their divisive marketing campaign didn't work as well as they hoped.

"Divisive"

[agrajag]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

[counterhit]

Wolfenstein would've sold better if Bethesda had put boots on the ground in the rust belt and not just call Nazis bad on twitter all day.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis. And in case you want to tell me that that's only what they were really talking about then they're not very bright, are they? Because they should have predicted that other groups being called nazis that are definitely not nazis would think they're targeting them with this marketing campaign.

In fact I'd even call it disingenuous on your part to act as if the specific marketing campaign is only targeting nazis.

[Boredfrom]

If I need to guess, it probably more to do with how mismanaged Bethesda marketing team seems to be these days than the overall theme of the marketing of wolfestein. Not mention that this season there is a lot of great games competing. I, personally, prefer to pay full price for Mario Odyssey than Wolf NC, probably doesn't help that Bethesda games have price drops.

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

[Boredfrom]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

He may not be Nazi but he is content with getting supported Ted Danson. If he prefers to appease his supporters over act like a empathic person, then I cannot blame people for callin him a Nazi.  Last time I checked, the whole Charletsonville response was considered a big political misstep.

(lol Ted Danson auto edit)

[FStop7]

Wolf 2 opens with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

a flashback of your father "forcing" you to shoot your own dog as some kind of twisted character building exercise

[close]

It's edgelord poop.

[Optimus]

These gross divisive marketing campaigns trying to create a rift between us and the nazis

Except that they definitely made comparisons to our current political system and they definitely didn't target just nazis.

That tends to happen when the president says that "there is fine people" in a nazi protest.

So you agree then that the marketing campaign is divisive. Like it or not that fucking idiot has a lot of supporters and is definitely not a Nazi. His political persona is that of an ignorant racist blowhard that shitposts on twitter like a 14 year old boy, but yeah, not a nazi.

He may not be Nazi but he is content with getting supported Ted Danson. If he prefers to appease his supporters over act like a empathic person, then I cannot blame people for callin him a Nazi.  Last time I checked, the whole Charletsonville response was considered a big political misstep.

(lol Ted Danson auto edit)

He wants the vote of the far-right which makes him an amoral piece of shit, still not a Nazi though. His supporters also range from contrarians who are sick of SJ W nonsense, people who (rightfully) hate trade agreements and desperate middle class whites to, well, actual fucking nazis. Putting them all in the same category as "nazis" is dumb, extremely dangerous and short-sighted, just like this marketing campaign.

[demi]

wow theres actually people discussing whether Wolf or doom is better

Lul

Doom, no question

[fistfulofmetal]

wow theres actually people discussing whether Wolf or doom is better

Lul

Doom, no question

dont think there's any actual discussion bout that. we're all pretty in agreement that Doom is better. Wolf2 is still pretty great tho.

[Assimilate]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes? Half of them are probably from middle America 
Reminds me of this whole NFL debacle. There's a crap ton of Trump voters that are NFL fans, i'd even say most NFL ticket holders are probably Trump voters . Why is this completely ignored?

[Boredfrom]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican. I can respect people voting for Trump for most reasons you posted above, but at this point is becoming increasingly silly to watch people defending all his bullshit. Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

[fistfulofmetal]

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

[Boredfrom]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes?

Since when is that the white shooter fan has problems in killing Nazis?

[Assimilate]

I find it fascinating when people think alienating a core group of your audience will get you sales. 

When were the majority of shooter fans not white dudes?

Since when is that the white shooter fan has problems in killing Nazis?

Never, but the marketing was pretty shit. That one line with the whole "you're a white guy" or whatever it was.

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

Not what i meant. I meant why doesn't the media acknowledge the truth of the matter. The backlash is hardly to do with the "disrespecting the troops" and more to do with the fact that most fans don't give a flying fuck about Kalin Kapernick and whatever he has to say.

Same with this Roger Moore situation. The media is trying to guilt trip potential voters into not voting for him. They shouldn't have to be guilt tripped into it. There's a disconnect. These people DON'T GIVE A FUCK. Until you understand why they have such a huge distaste for democrats, or how they're manipulated into having an unjust opinion of the other side you'll never win them over.

[Assimilate]

Why the fuck is punching nazis alienating a large portion of any audience?

Doesn't that group of people claim that they aren't nazis?

Strange.

 

[Optimus]

They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.

Yes, the slogan Make America Nazi-free again, just SCREAMS it has nothing to do with Trump and his supporters. Please people, stop pretending the campaign wasn't trying to stir up shit.

[Optimus]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican.

Or it might have something to do with you being a logical person. Not all people who dislike SJ Ws were dumb enough to support Trump just to spite them.

Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

While I don't think most gamers are Trump supporters I do think that most gamers are sick and tired of being preached at about politics by holier than thou assholes. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that the particular marketing campaign was obnoxious.

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

  being shocked that communists dont buy things

[Novid]

im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.

shit i must be ye of the wayward souls

[Optimus]

It's a game about nazis invading America; a plot that was surely decided upon well before it became an aspect of modern politics.

They then included a few relevant jokes in their ads. 

I think it was a bad idea, but I still think anyone who was annoyed or offended by this is pretty laughable.    But predictable that people would, hence bad idea.

I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.

[seagrams hotsauce]

im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.

shit i must be ye of the wayward souls

I gotta hear this one. Spill it bro

[Boredfrom]

I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican.

Or it might have something to do with you being a logical person. Not all people who dislike SJ Ws were dumb enough to support Trump just to spite them.

Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.

While I don't think most gamers are Trump supporters I do think that most gamers are sick and tired of being preached at about politics by holier than thou assholes. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that the particular marketing campaign was obnoxious.

I will concede you this: the marketing campaign was obnoxious. I agree with that. But this is in par with Video game marketing and I suspect a lot of people will find easy to digest if is obnoxious against certain obnoxious president and the most toxic part of his supporters.

[Tektonic]

Guys:

Don't be a caricature
Be a reseteerraaa

[benjipwns]

We must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.

I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.

Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.

Don’t be a caricature.

Be a Resettler.


Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.

[nachobro]

 

[kingv]

Should have made the marketing campaign “wolfenstein II will make you it’s bitch”.

Anyway, I agree on release timing, in general. I feel like I’m those months where there are few games releasing there is always some game that gets a ton of exposure and high fives just on account of when it came out.

Like Nioh, or Nier Automata. Games that are good but would have been overshadowed in november or October.

[benjipwns]

I was thinking of this recently. I strongly agree, though I also have a sense of foreboding that as member numbers go up, the early sense of respect and turning over a new leaf will be replaced in part, especially when award and announcement shows start coming up. In particular I'd love to see contentful posts talking about The Game Awards instead of short, cynical comments complaining or picking apart every detail when that show happens. I don't expect that to happen, but if it does that would be amazing.

Speaking generally, I think tribalism is perhaps the biggest harmful thing to discussion and community. I suppose it's baked into human nature. On the most extreme level, you have things like Republican voters defending even the most evil people and actions, willing to pay any price because someone is on their team. On trivial levels, you have things like "people who eat pineapple on their pizza don't deserve respect", or insults suggesting only people who eat a certain candy bar are acceptable, or the classic console wars. Some of these things are intended as jokes, but it becomes widespread and creates the same sort of atmosphere that we briefly avoided.

Here are some examples that may sound trivial and condescending, but I think would actually be beneficial to keep in mind in the coming months:

• Some people may enjoy Battlefront 2. EA can also have anti-consumer business practices. These things are not mutually exclusive, and the people who enjoy the game do not need to be attacked.
• Some people may enjoy [any given high profile game]. Other people may not enjoy the same game. Neither of these groups needs attacked, nor should they need to band together and defend themselves. It is OK for different people to like different things. That makes for a varied community.
• Some people may like certain DC movie(s). Some DC movie(s) may have poor critical and/or audience consensus on average. These things are not mutually exclusive. It is OK to like different things. It is not cool to attack someone and say they should or shouldn't like a movie.
• This applies to movies in general, but it shows up in particular with DC. It is OK to discuss DC movies. It is OK to discuss Marvel movies. It is probably not a good idea to treat any given movie on either side as an argument point for an external DC vs. Marvel competition (or Sony vs. Nintendo, or whatever other competition / tribal thing is in mind). They can exist on their own merits and demerits, and some people may even watch both.
• On the off-topic front, some people may enjoy different pizza toppings, restaurants, food products, cooking styles, or condiments than you. These people should be allowed to live and not judged as somehow doing things wrong because another person's culinary preferences are more correct. It is not a competition.

Note that I didn't even get into stuff like Trump supporters. Racism and the neonazi movement are obviously far more serious than any of the above, yet even with such simple things like the above, we sometimes fail to treat people with respect, or jump into arguments like things are an us vs. them competition.

[Broseidon]

man some people really need to step away from the computer and go outside once in a while

[benjipwns]

It's pretty beautiful this thread even exists in the first place. The fact we're even reflecting on how we engage each other on the internet. The fact we desire a civil and thoughtful community and want to strive towards that. It's not a discussion that would occur on many other forums.

[benjipwns]

Guy is describing his posting on a forum as his lifesyle. Dude go 3D print some friends and get the fuck off the net for a while,

I am also a cynical person. More than cynical, miserable. Every day I wake up and write a suicide note. Then I crumple it up and eat it for breakfast because my pain is my only sustenance. I am that hardcore miserable.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Finale Firework must be eating himself up over not being picked as a mod on ResetEra.

I also caught this gem by a former neogaf moderator.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1080682

the gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfall

Thanks for calling me and my friends fascists, you fucking dimwit

[Boredfrom]

We must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.

I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.

Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.

Don’t be a caricature.

Be a Resettler.


Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.

There is something heartbreaking about this being mainly because

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Battlefront II Lootboxes

[close]

Like, I seriouls thought this was about Offtopic still being a cesspool or mods encouraging SJW trolling in game threads.