it makes sense.
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Why the fuck is punching nazis alienating a large portion of any audience?Doesn't that group of people claim that they aren't nazis? Strange.
They're ignored because Fuck Trump Voters. If they're too deluded into thinking Anti-Nazi, Anti-Fascist, and Anti-White Nationalist content is divisive or targeted against them then they need to look at their own lives a bit.
I dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican.
Unless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.
It's a game about nazis invading America; a plot that was surely decided upon well before it became an aspect of modern politics.They then included a few relevant jokes in their ads. I think it was a bad idea, but I still think anyone who was annoyed or offended by this is pretty laughable. But predictable that people would, hence bad idea.
im the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.shit i must be ye of the wayward souls
Quote from: Boredfrom on November 17, 2017, 03:30:38 PMI dislike SJ Ws but I didn't went to overly defend Donald Trump. Thought it probably has more to do with me be a Mexican. Or it might have something to do with you being a logical person. Not all people who dislike SJ Ws were dumb enough to support Trump just to spite them. QuoteUnless you subscribe to the idea that all gamers anti SJ W are Trump supporters, most gaming population will care less about the marketing being opportunistic of the political climate, and this probably has more to do with being yet another fumble from Bethesda in marketing a single player game in the last two years.While I don't think most gamers are Trump supporters I do think that most gamers are sick and tired of being preached at about politics by holier than thou assholes. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that the particular marketing campaign was obnoxious.
We must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.Don’t be a caricature.Be a Resettler.Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.
I was thinking of this recently. I strongly agree, though I also have a sense of foreboding that as member numbers go up, the early sense of respect and turning over a new leaf will be replaced in part, especially when award and announcement shows start coming up. In particular I'd love to see contentful posts talking about The Game Awards instead of short, cynical comments complaining or picking apart every detail when that show happens. I don't expect that to happen, but if it does that would be amazing.Speaking generally, I think tribalism is perhaps the biggest harmful thing to discussion and community. I suppose it's baked into human nature. On the most extreme level, you have things like Republican voters defending even the most evil people and actions, willing to pay any price because someone is on their team. On trivial levels, you have things like "people who eat pineapple on their pizza don't deserve respect", or insults suggesting only people who eat a certain candy bar are acceptable, or the classic console wars. Some of these things are intended as jokes, but it becomes widespread and creates the same sort of atmosphere that we briefly avoided.Here are some examples that may sound trivial and condescending, but I think would actually be beneficial to keep in mind in the coming months:Some people may enjoy Battlefront 2. EA can also have anti-consumer business practices. These things are not mutually exclusive, and the people who enjoy the game do not need to be attacked.Some people may enjoy [any given high profile game]. Other people may not enjoy the same game. Neither of these groups needs attacked, nor should they need to band together and defend themselves. It is OK for different people to like different things. That makes for a varied community.Some people may like certain DC movie(s). Some DC movie(s) may have poor critical and/or audience consensus on average. These things are not mutually exclusive. It is OK to like different things. It is not cool to attack someone and say they should or shouldn't like a movie.This applies to movies in general, but it shows up in particular with DC. It is OK to discuss DC movies. It is OK to discuss Marvel movies. It is probably not a good idea to treat any given movie on either side as an argument point for an external DC vs. Marvel competition (or Sony vs. Nintendo, or whatever other competition / tribal thing is in mind). They can exist on their own merits and demerits, and some people may even watch both.On the off-topic front, some people may enjoy different pizza toppings, restaurants, food products, cooking styles, or condiments than you. These people should be allowed to live and not judged as somehow doing things wrong because another person's culinary preferences are more correct. It is not a competition.Note that I didn't even get into stuff like Trump supporters. Racism and the neonazi movement are obviously far more serious than any of the above, yet even with such simple things like the above, we sometimes fail to treat people with respect, or jump into arguments like things are an us vs. them competition.
It's pretty beautiful this thread even exists in the first place. The fact we're even reflecting on how we engage each other on the internet. The fact we desire a civil and thoughtful community and want to strive towards that. It's not a discussion that would occur on many other forums.
Guy is describing his posting on a forum as his lifesyle. Dude go 3D print some friends and get the fuck off the net for a while,
I am also a cynical person. More than cynical, miserable. Every day I wake up and write a suicide note. Then I crumple it up and eat it for breakfast because my pain is my only sustenance. I am that hardcore miserable.
Quotethe gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfallThanks for calling me and my friends fascists, you fucking dimwit
the gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfall
QuoteWe must be conscious of what we contribute to, and how to counteract, one of gaming’s most infamous buzzwords: toxicity.I ask this community to please be aware of what we’re contributing to. All of our posts are building blocks. They are energy into the zeitgeist of gaming. We shape and morph and reconfigure our forum with tens of thousands of prodding fingers every day. This place is a living and breathing beast that should not contribute to the stereotypes and commonalities that poison our hobby. Do not succumb to the temptations of old habits. Learn to let go, let incidents be isolated, and do not burden yourself or the community with the residue of acrimony.Post about what you love and treat your fellow member with compassion.Don’t be a caricature.Be a Resettler.Solidarity, 1932 by Kathe Kollwitz. (recolored Purple) Expressionism.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/german-court-rules-kuwait-airways-is-allowed-to-ban-israelis.6692Antisemite GAFERA is alive and well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1081213much feelings caught with that postSuspect use of the word flourish
Quote from: Novid on November 17, 2017, 04:31:39 PMim the only dude that gets banned here and rentacenter.shit i must be ye of the wayward soulsI gotta hear this one. Spill it bro
I don’t think it’s the type of game that’s designed to blow the doors off in sales.It also only had 2 days of sales in the charts.
I also caught this gem by a former neogaf moderator.https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-second-letter-to-resettlers-or-but-the-future-refused-to-change.6684/page-2#post-1080682QuoteQuotethe gaf groupthink and flavour of the month facist modship contributed to its downfallThanks for calling me and my friends fascists, you fucking dimwit
LOL, still if that offends you as a Trump voter you have fucking problems. Donald Trump claiming a rally that was literally held by white supremacists had "many fine people" should be what bothers you. It's Trumps fault that he is associated with Nazis, it's not JUST because he has neo-nazi supporters; if you voted for him that should piss you off and you shouldn't be mad at the marketing.
What I am really trying to say is what YOU are saying. My problem isn’t with a fun megathread of people posting memes and extreme comments like the sky is falling. I’m talking about doing so while preventing the broader problems I discuss. It is perfectly possible and reasonable to have space for both. I think that’s generally what we have right now.The issue comes from the meltdown (and we’re starting to focus too much on the semantics of what a meltdown is, which wasn’t my intention) determining how other threads will go before they even begin. In the past, for example, we reached a point where we simply could not have a thread about anything related to Mass Effect because multiple arguments that were only tangentially related would overtake whatever the original topic was. An incident resulted in a prolific poster leaving the forum permanently.We need to be able to contain and isolate our “meltdowns” and let other discussions carry on as normal. As our forum passes 30,000 members and over a million posts, I want to remind the burgeoning community that we all own what we post here and we all own the board. I want us to continue to be careful and conscious and keep the general vibe of the forum as positive and insightful versus negative and vitriolic. I felt the time to bring this up was just after our first big news story that would steer conversations for the foreseeable future.Does that make more sense?
Maybe we could use a regular forum health check? I don't know what the metrics could be (qty of warning/ban vs nb of posts per period for example) but communicating to all the Reseters how their forum is going is a starting point. After all, it's hard to keep track of all the discussions and potential incidents on all threads. Maybe my memory is failing me but I remember reading a mod post at the beginning telling they were entertaining the thought of a newsletter or something like that.
Quote from: riotous on November 17, 2017, 04:03:35 PMLOL, still if that offends you as a Trump voter you have fucking problems. Donald Trump claiming a rally that was literally held by white supremacists had "many fine people" should be what bothers you. It's Trumps fault that he is associated with Nazis, it's not JUST because he has neo-nazi supporters; if you voted for him that should piss you off and you shouldn't be mad at the marketing. Can you not be bothered by both? Frankly I don't give a shit about US politics. They are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/1097295/QuoteMaybe we could use a regular forum health check? I don't know what the metrics could be (qty of warning/ban vs nb of posts per period for example) but communicating to all the Reseters how their forum is going is a starting point. After all, it's hard to keep track of all the discussions and potential incidents on all threads. Maybe my memory is failing me but I remember reading a mod post at the beginning telling they were entertaining the thought of a newsletter or something like that.Oh god, students from my old methods class post on ERA. We're going to have to go over dependent variables yet again aren't we.
Quote from: riotous on November 17, 2017, 04:17:43 PMIt's a game about nazis invading America; a plot that was surely decided upon well before it became an aspect of modern politics.They then included a few relevant jokes in their ads. I think it was a bad idea, but I still think anyone who was annoyed or offended by this is pretty laughable. But predictable that people would, hence bad idea. I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.
Quote from: Clockwork5 on November 17, 2017, 08:21:41 PMThey are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.Huh?Of course they could be bothered by it; and if they are they should speak out against the person that caused the association.But, they don't do that in the US. Instead they play the victim; victim of what exactly? Having voted for someone they refuse to speak out against and then being associated with that persons politics apparently.I don't see how this is remotely us vs. them; if I voted for someone and then continued to support them I'd expect people to associate me with that person's politics.
They are all crooks. However, to say someone can't be bothered by both being associated with Nazis as well as disappointed in the person they voted for is literally "us or them" SJ W bullshit to the highest degree.
Quote from: Optimus on November 17, 2017, 04:40:22 PMI'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.Do you remember 9/11 or bush era shit at all?
I'm offended by the idea of exploiting our desperate and fucked up political situation to sell a fucking product.
Quote from: Clockwork5 on November 17, 2017, 09:25:52 PMAgain, I don't really care. I just call out "everyone is a Nazi" bullshit when I see it.Making fun of Donald Trump's slogan because he failed miserably at distancing himself from literal neo-nazis is not the same as "everyone is a nazi bullshit."It's pretty easy to distance yourself from it; "I voted for that guy but that's fucked up." Which sure, maybe some are thinking and saying.. anectodtally literally never saw anything like that. He had a 60% approval rating among his voters at the time and for the most part you didn't see or hear a lot from detractrs. You have his loud mouth base who defends and deflects endlessly and people not really willing to say much at all. That's my experience at least. Quote from: Assimilate on November 17, 2017, 09:43:09 PMNazi is being thrown around so often it's losing it's power. People should stop comparing and calling everyone a nazi.I agree, it's fucking dumb, and you'll never see me participate in that crap.
Again, I don't really care. I just call out "everyone is a Nazi" bullshit when I see it.
Nazi is being thrown around so often it's losing it's power. People should stop comparing and calling everyone a nazi.
He quiot iterally called a group of nazis fine people. He's a fucking moron.
Quote from: kingv on November 17, 2017, 11:53:55 AMI don’t think it’s the type of game that’s designed to blow the doors off in sales.It also only had 2 days of sales in the charts.It looks like the prior game only sold around 2-2.5 million copies total.Also, if vgchartz is to be believed (which I find is often "accurate enough" years after the fact to get a ballpark figure and will often be close to more valid sources) the prior game actually did most of its sales in Yurop except on the Xbox One. Like the Xbone version sold 53-47 Global-US. PS4 version apparently sold 70-30 Global-US, with 55% of sales being Yurop and Japan. Their probably garbage PC numbers have the same split. (Though they say only half a million PC copies were sold, Steam has 1.8 million owners of the game. So must be retail only, and definitely not the years of sales, it's been like $5 a bunch recently.)
When are any of these guys going to face charges? When will the face of Weinstein's victims be featured on the cover of a major publication? One of the reasons I look at this differently than a lot of people, is that these people are not being treated the way Cosby was, and I believe that is by design.
When over 97% of sexual assault cases are true, you don’t say: “Almost always belive the woman,” you say “Belive the woman.”
QuoteWhen over 97% of sexual assault cases are true, you don’t say: “Almost always belive the woman,” you say “Belive the woman.”Wow, that's like prosecutor running for DA level conviction numbers.
Which one of you made this post?https://www.resetera.com/posts/1104851
ResetEra, where the mods are transparentYet hang out in private discords with community members who lobby for extended bans and insult members in ways that would get anyone banned on the site itself, and brag about banning in the discord but won't claim it on the actual site.
I'm so confused. Isn't this Lena Dunham chic supposed to be some hugggge feminist bitch? I've never thought she was talented, like most women writers aren't but wow on the "she's trash" posts. Everyone is gross or trashy to these high and mighty people. How did they ever reach such transcendence?
Plus she’s ugly
Am I the only one who is a bit shocked at the general tone of the Lena Dunham thread on ResistEra? I figured it would be the mental gymnastics olympics. Surprising to see so many posters come out with like this hidden but now it's okay to show my hatred for her. Post after post of "garbage person".For the record: Garbage Person.
Quote from: nudemacusers on November 18, 2017, 03:14:04 AMPlus she’s uglyis she bi? Serious question: Who is going to hire women after this? 1 allegation no matter how frivolous, exaggerated or flat out unproven can crush your entire career, business.... be ready for a huge uptick in male executive assistants jobs.
