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how it’s usually translated: one should both say and think that being is

how Heidegger translates it: needful is the gathering setting-forth as well the apprehension: the essent in its being

how Heidegger translates it 60 pages later: it is needful to collect oneself, to concentrate on the being of the essent

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Twitter accounts aren't Being first or the biggest to translate something isn't really a barometer for success, but they are a good way to fake it.

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Saw some tweets about a podcast feud and assumed it was more Brooklyn leftist drama but turns out it has to do with Barstool Sports.

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fuck yeah. have you guys listened to call her daddy? its one of the nicest grifts ive seen in a minute. cue a bunch of shitlib thinkpieces pontificating on how much it moves The DiscourseTM forward

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Oh no you don't.

As soon as I found out what it was, I was filled with a sense of relief that I wouldn't need to look into it and form an opinion.

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no but this one’s actually almost interesting! i promise!

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thats basically the long and the short of the beef that ive seen. the two hosts pushing back against a company full of cuntholes for their right to make hundreds of thousands of dollars for talking and the company full of cuntholes crying about this to the media because they think they have a right to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off other people talking. there’s also some b-plot where “an insider”(:neogaf) divulged that actually, the girls hate each other, and they’ll totally cave soon

im more a fan of the podcast itself and the grandstanding around it as some important feminist reclamation, rather than a simple inversion of sex-as-conflict misogyny that ends up affirming all the same awful shit.

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like, it’s such a great indication that, yes, barstool is run exactly the way these same people ran their greek chapters ~15 years ago

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The Carthaginian constitution deviates from aristocracy and inclines to oligarchy, chiefly on a point where popular opinion is on their side. For men in general think that magistrates should be chosen not only for their merit, but for their wealth: a man, they say, who is poor cannot rule well- he has not the leisure. If, then, election of magistrates for their wealth be characteristic of oligarchy, and election for merit of aristocracy, there will be a third form under which the constitution of Carthage is comprehended; for the Carthaginians choose their magistrates, and particularly the highest of them- their kings and generals- with an eye both to merit and to wealth.

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The distribution of offices according to merit is a special characteristic of aristocracy, for the principle of an aristocracy is virtue, as wealth is of an oligarchy, and freedom of a democracy. In all of them there of course exists the right of the majority, and whatever seems good to the majority of those who share in the government has authority. Now in most states the form called polity exists, for the fusion goes no further than the attempt to unite the freedom of the poor and the wealth of the rich, who commonly take the place of the noble. But as there are three grounds on which men claim an equal share in the government, freedom, wealth, and virtue (for the fourth or good birth is the result of the two last, being only ancient wealth and virtue), it is clear that the admixture of the two elements, that is to say, of the rich and poor, is to be called a polity or constitutional government; and the union of the three is to be called aristocracy or the government of the best, and more than any other form of government, except the true and ideal, has a right to this name.

i hinted earlier itt of an American evasion of democracy, to brutalize West. this story wrt the founding generation’s matriculation in english ‘mixed constitution’ thought and on again off again relationship with the actual term ‘democracy’ is well known by now. what Wood brings up is the other dimension, namely, the eclipse of the classical understanding of political power. above are two passages from aristotle’s politics. the ‘classical understanding’ is the analysis of institutions based on the bloc of the body politic from which it’s constituted. not representative of. power, for aristotle, isn’t delegated. it can’t be divested or held on reserve elsewhere, it’s either in a subject or it isn’t, and a subject either has institutions that empower them in the public sphere or they don’t. there’s a triad of paradigmatic blocs, distinguished by what proportion of the body politic they constitute: minimalist, minoritarian, and majoritarian. where it gets p interesting is when he outlines how each ‘form’ -monarchy, aristocracy, democracy- has its own organizing or bedrock principle, and this is something that basically the whole ‘classical understanding’ tradition shares down to the 18th century. merit, or virtue, just is what’s characteristic of aristocracy -literally rule of the best. it doesn’t matter, at least in the final analysis, what deliberative procedure you employ to detect merit or virtue. if a given institution is designed to invest with power those with merit or virtue, this is an aristocratic institution. this is what makes Congress effectively an aristocratic body. not simply because they’re a group of 535 people with significant sovereignty over a population of 330 million, though this fact’s non-trivial too. but because the electorate’s power to shape and deliberate over its legislation is forfeited to other people because of these people’s supposed superior deliberative ability. according to american federalist thought, the  people nominate one of their own to represent them (either transparently conducting the people’s interests or Burkeanly making the people’s choices for them). according to the classical understanding, the democratic element creates a makeshift aristocratic order to rule them.

im gonna paper over the executive and judiciary’s implications here because these are even worse offenders and i think my initial point’s been made. what brought me to carepost was 1) shosta cryposting about how much he hates it and 2) the thinkpiece eulogy-cum-diagnoses for the bernie campaign from both the anti-anti-anti-idpol left and the law and liberty east coast Straussians that keep sending me newsletters because i can never remember to ask to be taken off the mailing list (:rage). what seems common to both is that they claim the american left’s failure to gain electoral traction is due to its being both too exclusionary and too promiscuous. too exclusionary to entertain, let’s be real, reaction of various stripes and too promiscuous specifically with the language of New Left idpol. part of the jeremiad is that left thought was once coherent, and coherently marxist in particular. but the marriage of class struggle and diversity was (is) an unhappy one, and we see this playing out in practice now (one of the law and liberty types said that the treatment of the modern subject as protean, and the emphasis on self-creation/imagining/fashioning is an irreducibly bourgeois one and thus fundamentally incompatible with proletarian eschatology, which struck me as just inutterably stupid).

so, i think the implications of this reading of 2019-2020 are disgusting in what they say about bernie’s attempt to expand the public sphere/electorate and farcical in how much relevance they give to something like rose emoji twitter (fwiw, top-down intellectual reshaping of politics has always been the purview of the right, not the left). But they are illustrative of something important: not even the opposition can think of an extra-marxist radleft. even the liberty fund types are nostalgic for 20th century marxism :heh (i get that this is obv just rhetorical posturing). what i mean to point out here is, the avenue’s wide open and we have a toolkit to construct a moral language for left politics that isn’t explicitly poliecon. i think something like this reemphasis on democracy -what it means and how we’ve been failed by the people who’ve claimed it- can easily be wedded to certain persuasions; if you’re really in love with your histmat or your post-keynsianism or whatever this isn’t gonna kill you. but for the purposes of evangelization i think it’s important to have something in the arsenal that doesn’t require minnesota fed papers to explain (not that that’s unequivocally bad), and you even get to cite everyone’s favorite 4th century slaveowning gay-hating misogynist while you do it!

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counterpoint: if Bernie said a bunch of slurs he would have the nomination and a 20 point lead in the polls

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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5pbex/audio-no-evil-foods-a-faux-leftist-vegan-meat-company-busts-union-drive
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Earlier this year, the company No Evil Foods, which sells a variety of socialist-themed vegan meats, fought a union drive at its Weaverville, North Carolina plant that included numerous “captive audience” meetings where management told workers to vote against a union.

Motherboard obtained a 23-minute video of No Evil Food’s CEO and co-founder Mike Woliansky repeatedly imploring workers to vote “no” in the union election, and telling workers that a union could hamper the company’s ability to “save lives” and “change the world.”

In his speech, Woliansky compared joining the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union, which represents tens of thousands of meatpacking workers in the US, to “hitching your wagon to a huge organization with high paid executives and a history of scandal and supporting slaughterhouses,” he said. “I don’t think that’s an organization you want to support with your dues money."

No Evil Foods brands itself with a socialist messaging and sells $8 packages of vegan products with leftist names like "Comrade Cluck" (a chicken substitute seasoned with garlic and onion), and "El Zapatista" (a mock chorizo)
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In recent weeks, the company fired several workers who led the union drive at its manufacturing plant (known as “the Axis”), according to a report in the Appeal. Four employees told Motherboard that the company has fired five workers active in labor organizing since April.

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Isn't there already a coherent tradition of left thought with a semi-distinct lineage from marxism: progressive humanism? Anti-war, pro public goods, pro liberal freedom... this is a whole language and worldview that's already widely employed and has secured its permanent seat in American politics. In terms of evangelism for the purpose of getting votes, this is the right place to start, and is strictly broader than your radical democracy. Moreover, if you read Luxemburg or Lenin, the classical marxism you make fun of has already tapped into this language a long time ago. It also features prominently in the Democracy at Work crew like Richard Wolff and Bhaskar Sunkara.
yes, 100%. im definitely not reinventing the wheel here. the kind of radical democratic and egalitarian moral language im groping towards is definitely informed by, and should be complementary to, 20th century left progressivist moral language (or at least the parts that are worth keeping). but i don’t think the latter swallows the former, mostly because it centralizes a problem that usually gets viewed as ancillary by the broad progressivist tradition, namely, governance. like, politics as politics, rather than as ethics/moral sentiment writ broadly (liberal & left progressivism) or political economy (marxism; a lot of post-keynesian projects). if left progressivism tries to clarify the question “what conditions need to be met in order for a democratic society to be minimally just”, then i think this alternative language would help clarify “what conditions need to be met in order for our society to be maximally democratic”. and that’s where sortition, referenda, thinking about what democracy’s extension into civil society would mean (democracy at work is specifically something i had in mind), and whatever else come in. again, not claiming the novelty of this, it’s actually something i think is implicitly at work in left american politics over the past decade that im trying to tease out with the help of The Canon (pbuh).

and i think your roster there underscores my initial point. 3 of those 4 are explicitly working within marxism, the other at least sees himself as having some lineage ultimately leading to marx. i wanna deflate (not completely) the importance of poliecon for left politics. yes, for getting people into the door, but also to promote solidarity internally. maybe it’s my twitter brainrot setting in, but so many of the internal debates and bitching i see are relitigations of century-old bugbears, usually delimited by orthodox marxism. thankfully, it’s not really indicative of something DSA, or whoever, actually experiences when they engage in organizing or getting out the vote.

and jokes on you, i love luxembourg the radical democrat :bolo
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i think this project would vitiate a lot in Leninism, though. if left politics isn’t just about representing the powerless, but empowering them with tools of governance, then i think we have to take seriously the idea that the vanguard party is anti-democratic
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and jokes on you, i love luxembourg the radical democrat :bolo
the joke’s still mostly on me though. i’ve been meaning to go through her for a while now but haven’t yet b/c the verso books are just too expensive :crybaby

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I don't know if I can cosign entirely, what makes the Nu Left more promising to me is the renewed focus on political economy. "Radical democratic and egalitarian moral language"sounds like The Nation circa 2004, far from a golden era for radical possibilities. Not that there's no place for that kind of language in the present day (workplace democracy!) but it should be married to a deeper polecon analysis. One of the kernels of promise with Bernie-ism and Occupy Wall Street was that it brought a long dead tradition back into the spotlight and promised to make the subterranean currents of the present visible, compromised as it was by imperfect ideas like the 99 percent and imperfect evangelists like Jacobin. To summon the spirit of Kara, why go looking for a new guy when there's a perfectly good Marx right there?



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https://twitter.com/KarlMarxJunior/status/1259970850780053506

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Motorcycles also radicalized me.  Those loud manchildren need to die.

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Struggle session time. Hong Kong riots, Chilean riots, Minneapolis riots: why do I care about property damage so much? What piece of latent ideology am I still holding onto subconsciously? :thinking I am clearly on the wrong side :doge

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I just want to take all this energy and put it into real change or at least sustainable pressure, not formless chaos that fizzles out after three days :stahp

A few days ago we didn't even have formless chaos and you're already complaining? Communists these days.


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I just want to take all this energy and put it into real change or at least sustainable pressure, not formless chaos that fizzles out after three days :stahp
not to go all thiel on you but have you read any rene girard?

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1657 on: June 03, 2020, 12:00:36 AM »
can i get the crib sheet on that section of left twitter?  im a little mystified

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1658 on: June 03, 2020, 12:26:34 AM »
That Club der Cordeliers guy has a major hate hard on for AOC for whatever reason. Also seems to think the tradtional Dem machine is a good thing.

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1659 on: June 03, 2020, 12:47:23 AM »
can i get the crib sheet on that section of left twitter?  im a little mystified
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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1660 on: June 03, 2020, 12:52:21 AM »
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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1661 on: June 04, 2020, 12:10:37 AM »
https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/1268255531371765761

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1662 on: June 04, 2020, 03:09:51 AM »
reading piketty rn and he claims marx, in discussing private capital concentration, doesn’t factor in productivity growth (esp. the kind caused by technological innovation) leading to rises in real wages. pretty sure thats wrong but idk where to look. you guys know?

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1663 on: June 04, 2020, 03:31:12 AM »
yeah
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My conclusions are less apocalyptic than those implied by Marx’s principle of infinite accumulation and perpetual divergence (since Marx’s theory implicitly relies on a strict assumption of zero productivity growth over the long run).
theres a fuller discussion earlier in the introduction but thats pretty much the long and the short of it

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1664 on: June 04, 2020, 03:41:52 AM »
idk about whether or how it's addressed in explaining capital accumulation, but Marx definitely wrote about improving modes of production (with such zeal you could make it sound like a Charlie Kirk TPUSA quote if you clipped out the right parts).

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« Reply #1665 on: June 04, 2020, 03:55:48 AM »
can i get the crib sheet on that section of left twitter?  im a little mystified

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1667 on: June 05, 2020, 04:10:39 PM »
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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1668 on: June 05, 2020, 06:01:54 PM »
nvm im wrong he didn't get off easy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Gottlieb_Fichte#Nationalism

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1669 on: June 07, 2020, 03:31:48 AM »
not just sharing this article because it was written by someone called adolf jr, i promise https://harpers.org/archive/2014/03/nothing-left-2/

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The atrophy of political imagination shows up in approaches to strategy as well. In the absence of goals that require long-term organizing — e.g., single-payer health care, universally free public higher education and public transportation, federal guarantees of housing and income security — the election cycle has come to exhaust the time horizon of political action. Objectives that cannot be met within one or two election cycles seem fanciful, as do any that do not comport with the Democratic agenda. Even those who consider themselves to the Democrats’ left are infected with electoralitis. Each election now becomes a moment of life-or-death urgency that precludes dissent or even reflection. For liberals, there is only one option in an election year, and that is to elect, at whatever cost, whichever Democrat is running. This modus operandi has tethered what remains of the left to a Democratic Party that has long since renounced its commitment to any sort of redistributive vision and imposes a willed amnesia on political debate. True, the last Democrat was really unsatisfying, but this one is better; true, the last Republican didn’t bring destruction on the universe, but this one certainly will. And, of course, each of the “pivotal” Supreme Court justices is four years older than he or she was the last time.


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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1671 on: June 07, 2020, 06:38:39 PM »
Yeah, I like the anti-cap sentiment being nestled in for that reason.
Don't want "unions bad" or something to be the takeaway.

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1673 on: June 08, 2020, 11:59:38 PM »
since things seem to have died down a little bit, i wanted to set down some thoughts about two things ive gone through in quarantine, the first is Capital vol. 1. not a ton novel to say about it, just a couple tidbits that struck me. the first is from the preface where he lifts a large passage from a review of an early edition of Capital:
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Marx only concerns himself with one thing : to show, by an exact scientific investigation, the necessity of successive determinate orders of social relations, and...
For this it is quite enough, if he proves, at the same time, both the necessity of the present order of things, and the necessity of another order into which the first must inevitably pass over ; and it is a matter of indifference whether men believe or do not believe it, whether they are conscious of it or not. Marx treats the social movement as a process ofnatural history, governed by laws not only independent of human will, consciousness and intelligence, but rather, on the contrary, determining that will, consciousness and intelligence...
which he moves on from, seemingly accepting the whole passage as a reasonable reading of his work. so it seems like all the hoopla over the Engelsian deterministic phil of history being a later accretion in the marxist tradition is a little overstated. it appears like there’s already a fair amount of diamat inside marx’s original histmat. relatedly, in the meat of the book as he’s introducing manufacture as it influenced modes of production:
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We are concerned here only with broad and general characteristics, for epochs in the history of society are no more separated from each other by strict and abstract lines of demarca­tion than are geological epochs.
which adds an interesting wrinkle in his realism wrt periodization. epochs have to act as compartments of sorts which contain sets of, e.g., nomothetic laws that obtain given the conditions that constitute that epoch (and these conditions are themselves products of other nomothetic laws that obtained in earlier epochs). so far, pretty paint by the numbers histmat. but if the lines of demarcation aren’t strict, it gets trickier to identify when the conditions are sufficiently constituting an epoch distinct from all the others. it’s a much more attenuated realism than i think often gets attributed to him. and speaking of attenuation, what surprised me the most:
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We presuppose labour in a form in which it is an exclusively human characteristic. A spider conducts operations which resemble those of the weaver, and a bee would put many a human architect to shame by the construction of its honeycomb cells. But what distinguishes the worst architect from the best of bees is that the architect builds the cell in his mind be­ fore he constructs it in wax. At the end of every labour process, a result emerges which had already been conceived by the worker at the beginning, hence already existed ideally. Man not only effects a change of form in the materials of nature ; he also realizes [ver­ wirklicht] his own purpose in those materials. And this is a purpose he is conscious of, it determines the mode of his activity with the rigidity of a law, and he must subordinate his will to it. This sub­ordination is no mere momentary act. Apart from the exertion of the working organs, a purposeful will is required for the entire duration of the work. This means close attention. The less he is attracted by the nature of the work and the way in which it has to be accomplished, and the less, therefore, he enjoys it as the free play of his own physical and mental powers, the closer his attention is forced to be.
in this account of intentionality, he couldn’t be more explicit that, at the micro level, mental activity is irreducibly involved in casual series that include physical activity. what’s more, he employs it here as the lynchpin argument for his anthropology -how the human is distinguished from other animal life- plugging it into his account of homo faber (itself obviously the cornerstone of his account of human flourishing). this is a much more qualified variety of materialism than you’d initially expect if your only exposure to the materialism-idealism debate was through the way that marxists talk about it. i think this opens up an interesting dialogue, if not rapprochement, with his sources; i’ve longtime been of a mind that hegel’s ontology, esp. wrt the social and the political, is usually only crudely understood and is much closer to a marbled ontology full of physical, mental, and mental but non-rational causes. if that’s true then the gap between the two is a lot closer than is usually taken to be the case in polemics

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1674 on: June 09, 2020, 01:45:07 AM »
second book was piketty’s Capital in the Twenty-First Century

finished it today, and i feel really bummed that i hadn’t jumped on it sooner. ive been disillusioned from a lot of neoclassical economic work over the past ~3 years, largely because ive found practicing neoclassicals to have tendencies to be i) staunch chauvinists wrt other disciplines, meaning a lot of them dont give a fuck about the purported explanatory force of something that doesnt jive with, frankly, a fairly narrow construal of mathematical modeling of social behavior; ii) hyperuncritical or unaware of the instruments they load into their projects just to get them off the ground, both theoretical, like marginal utility and ratex, and the normative implications, if any, those theoretical instruments entail -this is esp. noticeable when they try to take the map and try to place it over the terrain. piketty’s book is in no small way intended to combat both, while delivering something of a coup de grace to the discipline’s history as a mill for, let’s be real, market and proprietarian apologia.*

there are really just 3 important takeaways that generate the book’s entire content. 1) the rate of return on capital will always outpace the rate of growth in any national economy and the only reason we didnt know this already was because huge exogenous shocks happened in the twentieth century that muck up the data (and also because compiling that data is super arduous and we currently cant even measure a lot of wealth because it’s being intentionally hidden). 2) the capital/income ratio β, or the savings rate over the growth rate, historically maps pretty cleanly onto how concentrated the wealth was in any given society. the growth rate wont shoot up again in the developed world in the next two centuries, and there are no institutions in place to prevent this inegalitarianism from growing to the point that β stops increasing because the top few centiles literally cant acquire wealth fast enough to replace the depreciation of their existing wealth. 3) the only ways to both combat public deficits and head off 2) from causing nations to go to war in the streets and falling into the ‘identitarian trap’ are inflation, which is too unreliable, austerity, which lmao, and the final option which is just fucking taxing inheritance and capital at modest progressive rates.

the book reads like an historical statistics compilation, not an econ book; he’s hidden all the econ literature he’s in dialogue with in an online appendix. stupid readable and actually probably right. tons of nice tidbits, like flaying pareto for being an asshole who naturalized inequality. even ends up vindicating marx a little bit wrt infinite accumulation. one bit where he’s describing how, when people were looking at the foreign assets data, a statistic that is by definition zero-sum, all of the developed countries literally had negative balances because all the fucking wealth is in tax havens who won’t divulge information on their accounts :neogaf. the literature he cited claimed that the lower-bound is 10% of GLOBAL GDP being unreachable :oreilly.

i picked up his new one and will report when im done

*what it doesnt do, and reasserts, is a third tendency endemic to the profession, a faith in the world’s radical intelligibility. which im not in principle completely opposed to, but i do really distaste how narrow the profession thinks the scope of what there is to know is and how straightforward manipulating the world is, which informs their seemingly indefatigable technocratic streak.

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1675 on: June 09, 2020, 01:53:37 AM »
Haven't read Piketty but I remember after that book came out people on the right very suddenly decided that land wasn't capital.

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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1676 on: June 09, 2020, 02:25:03 AM »
and oh yeah, his more recent work is deliberately broader in scope. the upshot is that demographic trends since the mid-twentieth century have caused the emerging political conflict to be an intra-elite one and that class-based coalitions are harder to consolidate than they used to be. in no small part because of those social services the old class based coalitions won. so there’s a business right who’s interested in rent-seeking and is willing to buddy up with reactionaries. but the opposition isn’t cleanly working class, or at least, theyre a working class that’s splayed all along the income distribution, some of whom being pretty fucking well off. but they dont have capital. if r really is >g and wealth continues to be concentrated, the center wont be able to hold and the credentialized, hyper-meritocrats are gonna eventually win a majority and redistribute the wealth they think capitalism is supposed to be securing for them. where that leaves the working poor is i guess largely up to how the coalition is built.


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Re: Laissez-faire Politics Thread - Praxis? I didn't play Deus Ex, sorry.
« Reply #1679 on: June 17, 2020, 02:12:33 PM »


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