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Edit- New title! Thread is now about discussing anything to do with music theory or learning an instrument (regardless of skill level .) :)



2019 marks the thirteenth year since I became seriously interested in learning how to play the piano. In fact sometimes it seems like I never STFU about it, so I'm gonna keep it to this thread now.

The dream will be deferred no longer.

I'll be posting my progress at least weekly ITT over the next year, and intend to make a new version each year. I'm committed to developing this skill for the remainder of my lifetime.

I have some goals of increasing difficulty that I'm working towards, but I'm making my regimen extremely malleable so I can find what really works for me. Because of that I'm trying not to post specifics, other than that I intend to practice daily. That's the most consistent advice, I've found -- be consistent.

Here's the resources I'm using:
  • Benedict Westenra's highly-rated and popular courses on Udemy. I scored them at a holiday discount and am about 9% of the way through the first one, Beginning Piano. He's an excellent teacher so far and I'm excited to continue on to the other courses.

  • Flowkey is like a web version of the popular Guitar Hero-esqe Synthesia, but IMO more suited to professional use. Features I appreciate: notes go from right to left like on sheet music, instead of up and down; the sheet music is displayed and highlighted in real-time as you play; each song has a tutorial mode (sometimes several for different levels of difficulty) that uses your laptop mic to confirm your key press before it moves along; and the tutorial mode supports both left and right hands separately. It also has some actual lessons that are easy to follow as well.

  • The ebook Music Theory for Dummies by Michael Pilhofer and Holly Day was highly rated on Amazon, and has been an essential resource for me thus far in learning core musical concepts and sheet music. I'm about 28% of the way through it right now.
I started learning for real on December 10th. My progress so far:

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I fully believe involving friends or rivals in the practice or exercise of anything is extremely beneficial, so I'm hoping there's others here who will be posting progress too. :) Let's get musical.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2019, 02:14:23 PM »
You have nice hands.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 02:40:30 PM »
Good luck :rimshot
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 03:11:39 PM »
I’d like to learn piano eventually. My passion is guitar though. I want a classical guitar this year after learning basics of electric and learn Spanish guitar music.

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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 04:03:29 PM »
Oh yeah, this is something I've needed to get back on for a while.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 04:13:15 PM »
Last year I spent most of it getting a set of recital pieces ready. I don't know what I want to do this year.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 04:26:51 PM »
There's this joke that I can only play Wonderwall, but I'm pretty decently legit at guitar. In 2019 my goal is to become a (edit): virtuoso level player.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 04:29:23 PM »
The Wonderwall at parties joke/cliche isn't about talent levels, it's about douche levels.

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 04:38:33 PM »


Just play the Ryan Adams version.

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2019, 05:00:04 PM »
How hard is piano?

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2019, 05:02:22 PM »
I’m also surprised how the music knowledge came back to me after not using it for over a dozen years when I got my electric last year.

I forgot how much I had missed playing music. My goal is to get into a band or something eventually. Music is more fun with other people. I’m still a band nerd at heart it appears.

I thought I’d lost all of my music knowledge but apparently playing music every day for 6-8 years doesn’t go away over night. Very reassuring.

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2019, 05:31:56 PM »
i hate the sound that most modern guitar virtuosos go for.  too compressed, too precise, too one who incoherently screechesic.

randy and slash were sloppy as and it only added to their pantie wetting pelvis splitting appeal.

shred chads rise up.



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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2019, 05:37:43 PM »
What modern guitar virtuosos?

You’re talking electric?

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2019, 06:53:51 PM »
As much as I love music, at 27 I think the ship has sailed for me to learn piano or guitar.

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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2019, 06:57:29 PM »
You can always learn, so long as you take the time to practice. If you can't, though, then don't bother.

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2019, 07:12:09 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
If I can type on a computer keyboard playing piano is probably super easy

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2019, 07:46:50 PM »
As much as I love music, at 27 I think the ship has sailed for me to learn piano or guitar.

I'm 27 and starting from scratch.

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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2019, 07:58:42 PM »
What song do you want me to provide vocals for?

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2019, 08:01:10 PM »
What are notes and scales like on piano? On guitar I learned my notes first and it went something like this.

E through G then A through D.

Every note has a sharp except E, A, and B and B has a flat.

Once you remember it starts with E, goes alphabetical, and then starts with A, it's easy to keep in your head:

E - F - F# - G - G# - A - B - Bb - C - C# - D - D#

What is piano like? It seems like a super intimidating instrument.

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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2019, 08:09:12 PM »
Every key is a halfstep. The white keys are the regular notes, the blacks are the sharps and flats. Harder to memorize scales because you can't rely on translating the gap between your finger. Of course, it's impossible to play the wrong note.

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« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2019, 08:50:44 PM »
This nice lady has some really good piano tutorials. I learned the Star Wars theme tune and decided that was all I really needed to know.

https://www.youtube.com/user/theonlinepianotutor/featured

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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2019, 08:54:59 PM »
What song do you want me to provide vocals for?

Ordinary Day - Vanessa Carlton

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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2019, 01:41:22 AM »
Daily Status: 2019-01-01

- Completed Section #1 of Beginner Piano on Udemy by finishing Lectures #9-13. There's twelve Sections overall, with eighty-nine Lectures in total.
- Due to the above I can now play "Imagine" by John Lennon at full speed for two minutes with both hands. :) (Sorry TVC!)
- Didn't read much of Music Theory for Dummies today but I have a semi-road trip tomorrow that would be the perfect situation for reading.
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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2019, 04:17:58 AM »
Every key is a halfstep. The white keys are the regular notes, the blacks are the sharps and flats. Harder to memorize scales because you can't rely on translating the gap between your finger. Of course, it's impossible to play the wrong note.

Breh, all white keys are a Cmaj scale. "iT hArD tO lEaRn ScAlEs"  ::)
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2019, 01:12:12 PM »
There's this joke that I can only play Wonderwall, but I'm pretty decently legit at guitar. In 2019 my goal is to become a real master.
"real master"

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Some of the best professional guitarists I know barely consider themselves masters. If at all.
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2019, 01:45:21 PM »
Yeah I'm surprised at Glen. Usually when you do an art or hobby the better you get the more you realize you still have a long way to go and that your skill will never actually be satiated. Even when you're good at it. Doesn't matter if it's music, martial arts, sports, fighting games, or drawing. I'm sorry Glen, but because you think you'll become a real master it truly shows how far you have left to go.  :'(

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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2019, 03:53:12 PM »
Beyond improving my playing, I really want to master music theory and be completely fluent in music. I've been reading up on theory for the past couple months, and I've definitely made improvements, but there's so much to learn.

My gf has really put in the work on this front. She has this song that starts in C, then transitions seamlessly to F-minor, which isn't a key change you would normally expect, and has this Fm-C7 vamp, which uses E instead of Eb, so it's the harmonic minor instead of just the minor. Then she ends it in F major. It's fucking brilliant. I can't do that kind of thing because my theory knowledge is insufficient, but I'm going to get there.


Also, STFU Himu and Puppy. It was a figurative expression. What I meant was to reach a virtuoso level of playing.

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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2019, 04:02:16 PM »
Breh, all white keys are a Cmaj scale. "iT hArD tO lEaRn ScAlEs"  ::)
I meant all the ones besides Cmaj and Amin! :bolo

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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2019, 04:05:15 PM »
just don't learn any songs that aren't in Cmaj, problem solved
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2019, 04:10:45 PM »
Like musical modes in medieval times :ohhh

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2019, 05:11:21 PM »
Hmmph. Took Shosta off ignore because of this thread.

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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2019, 05:17:59 PM »
Thanks, babe!

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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2019, 05:37:36 PM »
Beyond improving my playing, I really want to master music theory and be completely fluent in music. I've been reading up on theory for the past couple months, and I've definitely made improvements, but there's so much to learn.

My gf has really put in the work on this front. She has this song that starts in C, then transitions seamlessly to F-minor, which isn't a key change you would normally expect, and has this Fm-C7 vamp, which uses E instead of Eb, so it's the harmonic minor instead of just the minor. Then she ends it in F major. It's fucking brilliant. I can't do that kind of thing because my theory knowledge is insufficient, but I'm going to get there.


Also, STFU Himu and Puppy. It was a figurative expression. What I meant was to reach a virtuoso level of playing.




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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2019, 06:09:14 PM »
lol I know MAYBE 6-8 virtuosos on the guitar. The rest just gotta
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2019, 06:11:08 PM »
Look bro I'm just looking to be the best that's ever played the instrument, no big deal, no need to be a dick about it

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2019, 06:31:56 PM »
self-proclaimed virtuosos

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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2019, 06:35:51 PM »
Damn, this was supposed to be a positive thread.

Specifically what I want is:

Be able to identify and play every scale across the neck fluidly at a high speed.

Be able to switch between scales or modes fluidly.

Be able to improvise over any chord progression.

Be able to play really difficult solos. Currently my top end is somewhere around Led Zeppelin's Dazed and Confused solo.

I'm not saying I'm trying become an all time great here. I just want to be good enough that people go, "Damn."

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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2019, 06:47:49 PM »
uh Glen I can do all that, and I hardly consider myself one millionth of a virtuoso. Once you learn every scale and every mode in every position all over the fretboard, you realize that it's just scratching the surface of the iceberg. Like congrats, you just learned the alphabet. That's like the bare minimum base for a classically trained musician. (I'm not classically trained, just self taught schumck like most everyone that's not puppy, and I took jazz guitar lessons for a few months years ago).

Anyway, in the spirit of positivity, I wish you luck on your musical journey (you will probably respond by telling me to choke on some horse semen or something). I'm sure you are a decent player and have capacity for greatness in you. I myself have made great strides in the past year in terms of theory knowledge and technique, hoping to keep the same energy in 2019.
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2019, 06:55:41 PM »
Decent? DECENT?!?!?!?!?!



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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2019, 06:58:46 PM »
I have never heard Glen play and thus do not feel comfortable granting him higher accolades. We don't even know what skill level his Wonderwall cover is at.
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« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2019, 07:10:33 PM »
uh Glen I can do all that, and I hardly consider myself one millionth of a virtuoso.

If someone just gave you a chart with some complex arrangement with multiple key changes, you’d be able to just flawlessly play lead over it? Congrats, you can do something I can’t do. But I will be able to do it a year from now.

Fuck all this stupid negativity. I posted a fucking goal for 2019. Sorry if it sounded overly lofty or whatever since I’m apparently on a forum with Paco de Lucia and Wes Montgomery.


In the car today I was actually thinking, “You know what, I should send agrajag a PM apologizing for being a dick all this time.” But nah. Fuck you, asshole.

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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2019, 07:13:53 PM »
This is going to be a nitpick but as a black guitarist it pisses me that almost all the guitarists (which are mostly white) they only really consider guitar music to be rock and blues. Maybe country depending on the guitarist. Meanwhile they don’t touch stuff like disco or funk or r&b and when you talk about playing funk they’re just like,”to play funk all you need to do is play 1 and 4 position on a strat” when anyone who knows funk knows barely (it any) funk guitarists played strat. They worship and concentrate sooooo much on their blues and rock that most don’t know jack shit about the aforementioned genres and black guitarists are a dime in a dozen. So when they talk about guitar they really usually just mean one or two genres.

Basically, it pisses me off that in guitar circles no one knows Jimmy Nolen and it can be a lonely experience if you’re interested in more than blues or rock. I’ve had to resort to listening to my funk records and trying to copy them rather than try to find an actual teacher to help me with the funk.

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« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2019, 07:15:57 PM »
No, I didn't say I am a great sight reader, but that wasn't in your post that I quoted. That's a whole different skillset that I am not proficient in, and truthfully have no interest, as I have no desire to do any kind of gigs in a professional capacity. Too old for that and too late in the game. If you think you'll be able to do that in a year's time, more power to you.

My focus is to improve my improvisational skill. If I can comfortably improvise over Coltraine changes in my lifetime, I will feel accomplished.

And my post was plenty positive, asswipe.
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2019, 07:17:09 PM »
You ain't shit until you're playing gypsy jazz Django Reinhardt pieces in your sleep, tbh

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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2019, 07:18:08 PM »
You ain't shit until you're playing gypsy jazz Django Reinhardt pieces in your sleep, tbh

I jerk off to Joscho Stephan videos, son.
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2019, 07:18:48 PM »
uh Glen I can do all that, and I hardly consider myself one millionth of a virtuoso.

If someone just gave you a chart with some complex arrangement with multiple key changes, you’d be able to just flawlessly play lead over it? Congrats, you can do something I can’t do. But I will be able to do it a year from now.

Fuck all this stupid negativity. I posted a fucking goal for 2019. Sorry if it sounded overly lofty or whatever since I’m apparently on a forum with Paco de Lucia and Wes Montgomery.


In the car today I was actually thinking, “You know what, I should send agrajag a PM apologizing for being a dick all this time.” But nah. Fuck you, asshole.



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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2019, 07:20:37 PM »
Also it pisses me off how they romanticize Jimi as just a bluesman and never look to the r&b he played on the Chitlin Cirquit (speaking of chitlins, my dad made some yesterday and grossssss). As if r&b isn’t worthy of playing but for some reason blues is when Jimi mastered both.

It also pisses me off that Jimi is considered “white music” still 50 years after the fact and not a single black station can play some Hendrix still. I heard this location black station play Cream - CREAM - and yet still hasn’t played Hendrix.

Basically the guitar music world annoys me for many reasons and talking about guitar with other guitarists is an aggravating experience.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2019, 07:21:56 PM »
basically, everything pisses you off. You and Jack should get married.
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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2019, 07:25:30 PM »
Agrajag stays on ignore. I haven’t read a single thing what he said but and Stro keep posting and I see constant “this user is on ignore” posts. I bet they’re all shit. Please do us all a favor and die already - both of you.

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2019, 07:28:04 PM »
1. His R&B stuff was before he was famous and most people don't give a shit to hear stuff that doesn't sound like what they think of when they think of Jimi Hendrix

2. "R&B" is a pretty floaty term, especially in the 50s/60s. It could be something that sounds like The Beatles. It could be something that sounds like Motown. It could be something that sounds like Little Richard. It could be damn near anything with a guitar that wasn't country music between 1955-1965.

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2019, 07:28:07 PM »
"I haven't read a thing he said"

Sure, Jan.
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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2019, 07:40:37 PM »
Leave this loser on ignore. None of these posts are worth reading!

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« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2019, 07:42:56 PM »
Back to it. Last year I spent some time getting a few pieces from Tedesco's Platero y Yo ready for performance. I got the guitar parts down and hoping I could then do the narration myself. But first few attempts it's seeming like something that I can't really do. The guitar takes too much focus to give the narration the attention it requires. I'd like to think about getting a narrator to do it with me. But in its entirety it's a massive piece both on guitar and narration parts. It's too much for me to ask for someone to do with me. It's because of these challenges that make it hard to find a good set of recordings. I was introduced to the piece by my Grandteacher (My teacher's teacher) who did a wonderful performance with the head of the drama department of the university he taught at, and I fell in love with it. I guess performing the piece will have to stay a dream. (Here's a sample of some of the pieces I worked on)





For me, this year I'm eyeing these pieces as the main pieces of the year. One is somewhat modern and I find I have to explain it to people for them to thoroughly enjoy it. The other is readily palatable, not anything groundbreaking, but fun and easy to enjoy




I've got the manuscripts and I've been looking at them, and realistically I don't really have the time to do both or other serious pieces (though I always keep about 6-8 pieces in rotation at any time). Having a hard time selecting which one. The Rodrigo piece will take me about 2 months before it starts to sound like something. The Guiliani piece already sounds like something but to take it at the tempo I want it'll take months. Certainly the Guiliani piece would be easier for the wife/kids as even slow it's nice. But that Rodrigo piece. :checkit
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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2019, 07:44:48 PM »
mad respect ronito, classical guitar is something I'd never be able to do in a million years
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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2019, 07:45:51 PM »
Puppy any tips for classical guitar? It’s my goal to get one this year and learn some classical.

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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2019, 07:47:06 PM »
I’ll do the narration for you.