River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[headwalk]

I have no clue who maddox is.
Googling maddox doesn‘t help very much either.   

repent zoomer.

[Transhuman]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/yu-tung-lo-sentenced-to-21-years-in-prison-for-lying-about-rape-to-get-her-boyfriend-killed.1479601/#post-254167885

Wow the new Gaf users are really stupid.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/yu-tung-lo-sentenced-to-21-years-in-prison-for-lying-about-rape-to-get-her-boyfriend-killed.1479601/#post-254167885

Wow the new Gaf users are really stupid.

Yeah, because Evilore is a rapist and that‘s why everyone in the industry dislikes them now.

[benjipwns]

I have no clue who maddox is.
Googling maddox doesn‘t help very much either.   

The 224-page long book is dedicated to Maddox himself: "To the love of my life, my soul mate, and the greatest person in the world: Me."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_Page_in_the_Universe

He has since discovered that his content was problematic and has disavowed everything that made him famous.



After semi-reviving his career as a podcaster, he fired everyone that people liked, then sued them for ruining his business and making fun of him online:

In November 2017, Maddox filed a $372 million harassment lawsuit with the New York Supreme Court against Herrera, individuals at Patreon, and Weber Shandwick copywriter Asterios Kokkinos who made guest appearances on The Biggest Problem in the Universe and The Dick Show.

On May 16, 2018, Judge Charles Ramos dismissed the claims against all defendants arguing that those against Herrera should have been filed in the jurisdiction of California. Of the claims against Asterios Kokkinos, Ramos expressed frustration as to the poor drafting of the complaint and its lack of specific evidence, saying, "this complaint is such a mess that I can't address these issues because I can't specifically point to what's being alleged as against your client or your client." Ramos dismissed the claims against Weber Shandwick with prejudice stating that they were named in the suit "just because someone used their equipment".

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I have no clue who maddox is.
Googling maddox doesn‘t help very much either.   

http://maddox.xmission.com/

formerly
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net

[jorma]

I have no clue who maddox is.
Googling maddox doesn‘t help very much either.   

he had the best webpage in the universe at one point, and then the buggles made a song about him

 

[BisMarckie]

This has to be the saddest thing I read all week. And that's saying something.

https://news.avclub.com/mans-year-long-quest-to-pay-back-the-troll-who-spoiled-1834487235/amp

It‘s not a great revenge tale when the reaction from a normal human being  is: Aw, man.

[BisMarckie]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=af17_sjw


This is incredibly bad.

[BisMarckie]

The dude waited a whole week to see it. He probably wasn't even that big a fan.

I’ve been lying to you, deceiving you and gaining your trust all for this moment. You are not my friend, just a person who got what they deserve.

Reminds me of:

[benjipwns]

Maddox sued this random dude doing a parody of him

[BisMarckie]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

This has to be the saddest thing I read all week. And that's saying something.

https://news.avclub.com/mans-year-long-quest-to-pay-back-the-troll-who-spoiled-1834487235/amp

I would have slid a dick pic in that conversation.

[benjipwns]

perfectionism, quantity over quality

[headwalk]

only one right way, either/or thinking

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

brown paper packages tied up with strings

[HardcoreRetro]

I get it!

It's like Resetera. *insert are we bad guys gif*

[jorma]

"belief in the superiority of white people"

[HaughtyFrank]

(Image removed from quote.)

It's kind of amazing how there's nothing that directly relates to racism

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It's kind of amazing how there's nothing that directly relates to racism

Its because there's "White Supremacy" as commonly understood by the vox populi to mean the idea that one race is superior to others.
And then theres "White Supremacy" as espoused by certain critics in academic circles to basically mean "the establishment", because their theories do not work unless they redefine the concept to serve as antithesis to their thesis.

[Transhuman]

How many likes do I lose on bore for getting likes on Gaf 

[headwalk]

sing those lines over a 5/8 drum beat with some drop D power chords and you've got a tool song.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

How many likes do I lose on bore for getting likes on Gaf 

are you using the moblin-likes index, or the filler-likes index as your baseline comparison?

[Superstar]

I have no clue who maddox is.
Googling maddox doesn‘t help very much either.   

That this post exists bothered me way more than it should have and I hate Maddox these days (who doesn't?). But damn his influence on the wild west days of the web cannot be understated. The comparison to the silent movie star was great.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Why is this thread still going?

What needed to be said has been said and the parties involved basically agree with the criticism that people made.

I mean, nobody has actually said she deserves to get punched in the cunt yet, so there's still areas of productivity left to mine I guess

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Holy shit, they have three tired like system that includes a triggered on neogaf:

[Momo]

This has to be the saddest thing I read all week. And that's saying something.

https://news.avclub.com/mans-year-long-quest-to-pay-back-the-troll-who-spoiled-1834487235/amp

the immense battle between spoiler special fellow and troll special fellow ending with everyone losing.

[Transhuman]

How many likes do I lose on bore for getting likes on Gaf 

are you using the moblin-likes index, or the filler-likes index as your baseline comparison?

filler likes are the new bitcoin

[bork]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/yu-tung-lo-sentenced-to-21-years-in-prison-for-lying-about-rape-to-get-her-boyfriend-killed.1479601/#post-254167885

Wow the new Gaf users are really stupid.

Took a few people to notice the 'wong' part. 

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/yu-tung-lo-sentenced-to-21-years-in-prison-for-lying-about-rape-to-get-her-boyfriend-killed.1479601/#post-254166064

murdering Paul Hogan after manipulating another former fiance to do the killing.

Justice Paul Coghlan today jailed Lo for a minimum 17 years.

It's like they are related.

This is the stupidest post in that thread.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

wait, they killed crocodile dundee? 

[marrec]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/greg-miller-and-andrea-rene-handwave-notch-and-pewdiepie-racist-transphobic-and-anti-semitic-behaviour-up-gm-and-ar-respond-see-threadmarks.114457/post-20428503

But this is what concerns me about some of the contents of threads like this: I wonder how many more people have left this forum for good just this week, never to return, because of the way some chose to address the issue here.

This thread was intended to highlight a conversation full of uninformed insensitivity, and make a plea for better judgement. It certainly was not intended to be the "Andrea is completely terrible" thread. Yet there were enough terrible posts about Andrea in this thread to make her, or anyone, not want to come to this forum ever again. How people think that the focus should be moved away from the issue (and the concerns raised by your fellow Era members), and onto YOUR own theories of who they are and how they got here, or onto gross personal attacks just because YOU happen to know who works in the industry that is related to her, is beyond me. A few posts up from this one even suggests that a woman fake her response for a man's sake. Do you know how terrible that reads?

So yes, Andrea described some contributions to this thread as being from "big ole douchebags". You think she's wrong? Don't continue to post things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, and/or serve to prove her right. Understand from my initial experience with Kinda Funny, and let's hope that others catch on to see that it doesn't take very much to turn people away for good.

Gosh, if only you had some sort of, you know, like, power, to make people turn down the hateful rhetoric, or remove the obvious hatemongers and populist rabble rousers from a conversation, even on just a temporary basis, or had, like, any abilities to moderate the discourse, or shape what kind of site and community you belong to.

But what can you, wonderment, resetera.com LLC staff member, actually do as an individual?
Just sit back and wag your finger after the fact I guess.

Is this the forum moderator equivalent of passing the mirror test?

Also a big fucking LOL to DigitalOp in that thread telling people to grow a thicker skin

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Is this the forum moderator equivalent of passing the mirror test?

They're still a mod, and all of the bans in that thread are along the lines of

User Banned (whatever): Dismissing other users concerns about intolerance, downplaying the effects of hate speech

Jeez guys, they're obviously not endorsing whatever stupid shit was said on twitter now, and its kind of shitty how much you're dogpiling them

sooooo......

e:
Plus, you know, large numbers of people in that topic actually making personal attacks to an actual other forum member who was previously the only READ STAFF POST / THREADMARK entry, where normally Officially Allowed Opinion gets posted in any thread of that length, and attacking another member personally is one of the few actual written down rules of discussion the site has in the TOS

[benjipwns]

Plus, you know, large numbers of people in that topic actually making personal attacks to an actual other forum member who was previously the only READ STAFF POST / THREADMARK entry, where normally Officially Allowed Opinion gets posted in any thread of that length, and attacking another member personally is one of the few actual written down rules of discussion the site has in the TOS

They lost their status as a member when they chose to endorse the Holocaust and even worse, post off-site.

[benjipwns]

Andrea. Can we get an apology to those, y'know like the folks at Microsoft who were "doing this out of self interest to make themselves look good" to paraphrase the comments in the OP? Collectively, that's a company sure - but real people took a real stand against bigotry here, and you pooped on that hard.

It's nice that you had Greg post here as a proxy, but what about for the, idk, tens of thousands who will not see this apology. Will you make a point to bring this up on your next video? I hope so, because that would put actions to words, and make this a real apology.

Thank you.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Action to words


for being a ragin nazi

[marrec]

Greg posting in that thread was a fucking terrible decision.

[benjipwns]

like

she made the more concerning comments in the first place
made the weaker apology
and immediately contradicted the apology on a different website

so

[benjipwns]

And some get angrier when continually dealing with hand waving of racist behaviors. Before our current president, this probably wouldn’t have blown up, but times are different for many.

Also, some of you seem educated enough in psychology and sociology to know that some people just won’t react in that measured way. It feels like you’re pissing in the wind and that the behavior of the minority is becoming more of a focus of the discussion than the original behavior. You’re continually talking about understanding for Andrea’s state of mind while seemingly taking no consideration of why those posters may have posted that way to begin with. It just seems that many (including you here) don’t want to extend the same understanding to their fellow forum goers.

[benjipwns]

I will say - If it wasn't for her followup comments, Andrea's apology would have been damn good. Even calling out Notch and PDP by name, which is something Greg even struggled with.

Her followup comments are what I have a problem with, and I think are the reason why this conversation is still happening. I hope people don't think I'm trying to "drag them through the mud" or whatever. I still have hope they are decent people and will reflect and improve how they handle these situations in the future, but her comments on Reddit make me doubt that she fully understands what went wrong. With any luck, I'm wrong on that.

On the other hand, I've been completely impressed with how Greg has handled this, with honest talk and clear attempts to try and reflect on what happened and learn. It's honestly more than I could have ever expected and he has my full respect for that.

Also, if I'm allowed to be completely blunt. In my mind, Greg's bravery in coming in here and making multiple, long, thoughtful posts on the issue makes him a better man than all the people on the first few pages who immediately wrote them off entirely as awful people.

[benjipwns]

End of the day, this thread would be very hostile to her if she would post here. Not everyone but some would definitely say some foul shit to her thinking they are doing something noble because people have zero chill. I'm sure there are low count posters here who see this as a free pass to attack a woman in gaming.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Shit when I listened to it that day I furrowed my eyebrows a few times but I didn't know it would transform to this.

Let their future shows dictate the outcome.

seris bsness

[benjipwns]

brows were furrowed, apologies were made, nazi whores were exposed

and yet PewDiePie, Boogie1488 and notch escaped yet again into the night without consequence

[marrec]

brows were furrowed, apologies were made, nazi whores were exposed

and yet PewDiePie, Boogie1488 and notch escaped yet again into the night without consequence

GameOverGreggy was our last hope  :'(

[bork]

End of the day, this thread would be very hostile to her if she would post here. Not everyone but some would definitely say some foul shit to her thinking they are doing something noble because people have zero chill. I'm sure there are low count posters here who see this as a free pass to attack a woman in gaming.

(Image removed from quote.)

[benjipwns]

I still feel this revelation by this VERAFLED MEMBER was the most important one of this entire affair, before Greg Miller tried to cover it up with his multiple apologies:

I think half the industry ended up "hating" NeoGAF to be fair. Ask CliffyB what he thought. Look what happened when NeoGAF was burning and a lot of people came out of the industry woodwork to essentially cheer.

We have plenty of big name journalists and folks from the industry here. If you haven't noticed everyone ended up hating the old place (gaf) due to the owner being a fucking rapist. I really don't see how you come to your conclusion.

[bork]

I still feel this revelation by this VERAFLED MEMBER was the most important one of this entire affair, before Greg Miller tried to cover it up with his multiple apologies:

I think half the industry ended up "hating" NeoGAF to be fair. Ask CliffyB what he thought. Look what happened when NeoGAF was burning and a lot of people came out of the industry woodwork to essentially cheer.

We have plenty of big name journalists and folks from the industry here. If you haven't noticed everyone ended up hating the old place (gaf) due to the owner being a fucking rapist. I really don't see how you come to your conclusion.

Give the man credit and list his name!

We have plenty of big name journalists and folks from the industry here. If you haven't noticed everyone ended up hating the old place (gaf) due to the owner being a fucking rapist. I really don't see how you come to your conclusion.

Obviously official game company channels would rather use Reddit where they have big influence and control over the community, rather than using a forum where you're not even allowed to advertise your games.


Oh and caring about CliffyB's opinion should be the last thing you do... seriously.

YOU TELL 'EM, ERA-VERIFIED GAME-TESTER!

[Rahxephon91]

Maddox fell off hard. Loved reading his page when I was a young teen. Sad he kind of become a joke.

[headwalk]

he represented the salad days of the internet where there was a shared understanding that taking anything anyone said seriously was a one way ticket to gooberdom.

unless it was a BBS argument about the specifics of seven of nine's genitalia.

[Nuitangg]

VERIFIED

https://www.resetera.com/members/chronospherics.21429/

[bork]

Maddox fell off hard. Loved reading his page when I was a young teen. Sad he kind of become a joke.

Googled and found this.

https://www.liberalcurrents.com/burial-at-sea-the-fall-of-maddox-the-internets-first-outsider-celebrity/

Maddox’s failure on Youtube was outmatched by his failure to deliver in his own podcast.  “The Biggest Problem in the Universe” was premised on a contest – each week Maddox and Masterson would present a topic as the titular “biggest problem” and listeners would vote on which problem was “worse.”  As the podcast continued, Maddox’s topics were more and more passed over by voters in favor of his co-host.  Eventually, Maddox’s losing spree led to a falling out between the two producers and long public feud, resulting in a massive lawsuit on Maddox’s part.

In November 2017, Maddox sued Dick Masterson, as well as Patreon and a bevy of other associates of Masterson, for defamation and libel.  In the summons, Maddox and his lawyer claimed that Masterson’s harassment led to a massive loss of popularity, personal sanity, and financial gain, numbering well into the tens of millions.  Interestingly, Maddox objected to Masterson and his associates’ characterization of Maddox as a “cuck” (Web slang for “cuckold”).  The summons goes so far as to list the lyrics of a parody Christmas carol: “Cuck, cuck, cuck/cuck, cuck, cuck/Maddox is a cuck.”  As pointed out on the Mic Dicta legal podcast, Masterson’s lawyer pointed out that “Truth is a defense,” meaning that libel per se can be established if the claim of “cuckoldry” is, in fact, true.   The case was dismissed in April 2018, in part because the summons (which amounted to 53 pages) was considered unprofessionally written and incoherent by the judge.  As a result, Maddox’s reputation has deeply declined.  Youtube is replete with Masterson’s fans mocking the once-legendary internet maven with claims of “cuckoldry.”

The “cuck” insult emerged in alt-right circles to disparage conservatives critical of Donald Trump as “cuckolds” for liberalism.  But Maddox is not a Trump supporter.  Masterson, however, is.  Part of Masterson’s legal and financial success involves selling a persona to an audience, primarily of men, that is “authentic” and worthy of emulation or at least admiration.  Ironically, Maddox, the purveyor of politically incorrect humor on the early web, has been accused of being an “SJW,” or “social justice warrior,” by Masterson’s fans.

 

[Ghoul]

Greg is such an idiot, he can't just apologize and expect that it would be done with. These freaks want to see him torture Andrea and himself on video for their sins.

Should have just taken a note from THQ, basically fuck them off. They don't buy games,and they sure as fuck don't watch his content anyway.

Fuck em.

[HaughtyFrank]

The guy who does nothing but post positive unemployment numbers triggers then so hard.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-jobs-report-surge-in-april-unemployment-falls-to-3-6.114920/

[ZombieSupaStar]

What big names even post on RE from the industry anymore?

Only one few I remember are a few from Dice, 1 from Riot, and The Skyrim guy who was unverafied later on for some reason? 

Hell I bet more industry devs post on RPG Codex and Something Awful than RE.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

"big names"

"industry"

[agrajag]

Maddox fell off hard. Loved reading his page when I was a young teen. Sad he kind of become a joke.

Googled and found this.

https://www.liberalcurrents.com/burial-at-sea-the-fall-of-maddox-the-internets-first-outsider-celebrity/

Maddox’s failure on Youtube was outmatched by his failure to deliver in his own podcast.  “The Biggest Problem in the Universe” was premised on a contest – each week Maddox and Masterson would present a topic as the titular “biggest problem” and listeners would vote on which problem was “worse.”  As the podcast continued, Maddox’s topics were more and more passed over by voters in favor of his co-host.  Eventually, Maddox’s losing spree led to a falling out between the two producers and long public feud, resulting in a massive lawsuit on Maddox’s part.

In November 2017, Maddox sued Dick Masterson, as well as Patreon and a bevy of other associates of Masterson, for defamation and libel.  In the summons, Maddox and his lawyer claimed that Masterson’s harassment led to a massive loss of popularity, personal sanity, and financial gain, numbering well into the tens of millions.  Interestingly, Maddox objected to Masterson and his associates’ characterization of Maddox as a “cuck” (Web slang for “cuckold”).  The summons goes so far as to list the lyrics of a parody Christmas carol: “Cuck, cuck, cuck/cuck, cuck, cuck/Maddox is a cuck.”  As pointed out on the Mic Dicta legal podcast, Masterson’s lawyer pointed out that “Truth is a defense,” meaning that libel per se can be established if the claim of “cuckoldry” is, in fact, true.   The case was dismissed in April 2018, in part because the summons (which amounted to 53 pages) was considered unprofessionally written and incoherent by the judge.  As a result, Maddox’s reputation has deeply declined.  Youtube is replete with Masterson’s fans mocking the once-legendary internet maven with claims of “giant dadoldry.”

The “cuck” insult emerged in alt-right circles to disparage conservatives critical of Donald Trump as “giant dadolds” for liberalism.  But Maddox is not a Trump supporter.  Masterson, however, is.  Part of Masterson’s legal and financial success involves selling a persona to an audience, primarily of men, that is “authentic” and worthy of emulation or at least admiration.  Ironically, Maddox, the purveyor of politically incorrect humor on the early web, has been accused of being an “SJW,” or “social justice warrior,” by Masterson’s fans.

 

Maddox's biggest mistake was to ever leave the safety of anonymity, revealing that he was a regular ol' autisty.

 

[benjipwns]

What big names even post on RE from the industry anymore?

shinobi602, Nibel, SweetNicole, BronsonLee, vestan, Professor Beef, AlexFlame116, mazi, More_Badass, Muzy, dex3108, ZhugeEX, Redcrayon, Greg Miller, Hero of Legend, Jawmuncher, Dancrane212, LoudNinja, Phantom Thief

[bork]

Maddox fell off hard. Loved reading his page when I was a young teen. Sad he kind of become a joke.

Googled and found this.

https://www.liberalcurrents.com/burial-at-sea-the-fall-of-maddox-the-internets-first-outsider-celebrity/

Maddox’s failure on Youtube was outmatched by his failure to deliver in his own podcast.  “The Biggest Problem in the Universe” was premised on a contest – each week Maddox and Masterson would present a topic as the titular “biggest problem” and listeners would vote on which problem was “worse.”  As the podcast continued, Maddox’s topics were more and more passed over by voters in favor of his co-host.  Eventually, Maddox’s losing spree led to a falling out between the two producers and long public feud, resulting in a massive lawsuit on Maddox’s part.

In November 2017, Maddox sued Dick Masterson, as well as Patreon and a bevy of other associates of Masterson, for defamation and libel.  In the summons, Maddox and his lawyer claimed that Masterson’s harassment led to a massive loss of popularity, personal sanity, and financial gain, numbering well into the tens of millions.  Interestingly, Maddox objected to Masterson and his associates’ characterization of Maddox as a “cuck” (Web slang for “cuckold”).  The summons goes so far as to list the lyrics of a parody Christmas carol: “Cuck, cuck, cuck/cuck, cuck, cuck/Maddox is a cuck.”  As pointed out on the Mic Dicta legal podcast, Masterson’s lawyer pointed out that “Truth is a defense,” meaning that libel per se can be established if the claim of “cuckoldry” is, in fact, true.   The case was dismissed in April 2018, in part because the summons (which amounted to 53 pages) was considered unprofessionally written and incoherent by the judge.  As a result, Maddox’s reputation has deeply declined.  Youtube is replete with Masterson’s fans mocking the once-legendary internet maven with claims of “giant dadoldry.”

The “cuck” insult emerged in alt-right circles to disparage conservatives critical of Donald Trump as “giant dadolds” for liberalism.  But Maddox is not a Trump supporter.  Masterson, however, is.  Part of Masterson’s legal and financial success involves selling a persona to an audience, primarily of men, that is “authentic” and worthy of emulation or at least admiration.  Ironically, Maddox, the purveyor of politically incorrect humor on the early web, has been accused of being an “SJW,” or “social justice warrior,” by Masterson’s fans.

 

Maddox's biggest mistake was to ever leave the safety of anonymity, revealing that he was a regular ol' autisty.

 

Yup.  Should have just stuck with the website.  Used to enjoy going there years ago.

His Patreon- https://www.patreon.com/realmaddox 

27 patrons. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The Skyrim guy who was unverafied later on for some reason? 

The skyrim guy who said a lot of his peers wouldn't want to post there for fear of saying something someone could misconstrue, then getting dogpiled then banned, for which he was, uh, y'know, dogpiled then banned?

[headwalk]

27 patrons. 

tempting to sign up for the $25 name in the credits option with the name "maddox is a massive giant dad" just to see how much he needs the cash.

[jorma]

The guy who does nothing but post positive unemployment numbers triggers then so hard.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-jobs-report-surge-in-april-unemployment-falls-to-3-6.114920/

Record amount of people are homeless, people can't afford healthcare, rising inequality, gutting of schools, medical bankruptcies, jailing of immigrants, lgbt protections being removed, abortion rights threatened, minority voters disenfranchised, police killings, drone strikes, starving kids in Yemen.

Why should I as a citizen care about fucking employment numbers when my entire existence is being mortally threatened and my quality of life is actively decaying?
No ordinary person sees the benefits of these numbers because all the production is hoarded by the wealthy, while the dregs get to continue living like shit.

This is what I don't understand about the U.S. Your economy is doing great! Except it apparently has no bearing on the average citizen because they see none of these benefits. I would rather live in a poorer nation that actually took care of its citizens than whatever this garbage is.

I mean, they apparently already live in Yemen.

I hear that's where they send all their best analysts.

[agrajag]

the thing is Maddox had always been a liberal, I remember enjoying his "Bill O'Reiley is a blubbering vagina" bingo back in the day. The problem is that his audience of edgelords was largely apolitical before they got galvanized in the Trump era, and liberals are all like "stomp on my balls, queen" so Maddox's brand of "edgy humor" is not gonna find any support in those circles either.