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[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/

Wow. That is pretty overt.

All that is missing is the author's alt right tweets.

[thisismyusername]

Hell I bet more industry devs post on RPG Codex and Something Awful than RE.

Has-beens only post at SomethingAwful. (#HiCliffy!)

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Everyone, I get that you can write violence, even very disturbing violence and use it to tell a story, but I really don't believe that's what Rosenberg is doing. His history of shocking random murders is evidence of that. He is writing for shocks and not to tell a larger story about violence against women. He is the violence against women.

[thisismyusername]

End of the day, this thread would be very hostile to her if she would post here. Not everyone but some would definitely say some foul shit to her thinking they are doing something noble because people have zero chill. I'm sure there are low count posters here who see this as a free pass to attack a woman in gaming.

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You make this. But you don't give me :kermiT :borkplz

[Cauliflower Of Love]

The term is used to refer to forms of misogyny that are unique to trans women in the same way that "misogynoir" refers to misogyny speicifc to black women. It doesn't imply that black women aren't women.

misogynoir


misogynoir

this is why marrecs are leaving era in droves.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

You make this. But you don't give me :kermiT :borkplz

[bork]

End of the day, this thread would be very hostile to her if she would post here. Not everyone but some would definitely say some foul shit to her thinking they are doing something noble because people have zero chill. I'm sure there are low count posters here who see this as a free pass to attack a woman in gaming.

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You make this. But you don't give me :kermiT :borkplz

Post it.  Post what you want the code to be.  Post what you want the description to say.  Otherwise,

[headwalk]

the thing is Maddox had always been a liberal, I remember enjoying his "Bill O'Reiley is a blubbering vagina" bingo back in the day. The problem is that his audience of edgelords was largely apolitical before they got galvanized in the Trump era, and liberals are all like "stomp on my balls, queen" so Maddox's brand of "edgy humor" is not gonna find any support in those circles either.

 

he rode the whole chaotic neutral wave.

i remember when 4chan's biggest win was a raid on a conservative holocaust denier talk radio host, fresh prince monologue-ing his phone in DDOS'ing his crappy homepage. that was just before the infamous fox news party van moment and around the same time that habbo hotel pools were being closed by black guys with afros arranging themselves into swastika.

your standard internet gremlin was a much more balanced all opportunity wind up merchant back then.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

but thats none of my business

[bork]

but thats none of my business

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

that greg "was that really what you call an apology" miller and andrea"some white bitch" rene thread apparently continues to be productive

Most of the unhelpful rhetoric has been against the people who were rightfully appalled at the handwaving of white supremacy. This thread is chock full of tone policing, of which you have been one of the largest instigators as of late. Look at where we are after 2300 posts. This whole conversation is now on whether the minorities are being too mean to the white lady who follows and defends white supremacists. We always end up here.

This thread was mostly on track until those who didn't agree with the criticism in the first place found a way to get on their habitual high horses and started painting all the critics with the same brush so they could keep defending the funny people on the tubes. And now we're back to the usual fare: minorities being shit on and then being told to mind their manners.

Hmm, so you routinely encounter people who criticise the way you conduct yourself in dealing with others?
meet an asshole something something, everyone you meet is an asshole something something

[Boredfrom]

Everyone, I get that you can write violence, even very disturbing violence and use it to tell a story, but I really don't believe that's what Rosenberg is doing. His history of shocking random murders is evidence of that. He is writing for shocks and not to tell a larger story about violence against women. He is the violence against women.

Why can they just call it shoddy writing and get over it? The fucking OP that thread wrote better about all this than the actual article he linked. Is badly written, no need to call the writer misogynistic or cry because you don’t like cheap melodrama in your xMen comics.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Some might say that "tone policing" is literally the job of a forum moderator, so that a discussion stays within reasonable bounds, and doesn't just devolve into calling someone a self-indulgent hatemongering piece of shit.

 

But Thats Not Really Any Of My Business.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/

Wow. That is pretty overt.

All that is missing is the author's alt right tweets.

I don't get it. It is an allegory to anti trans violence and the people doing it are clearly the bad guys. What's the issue? Why does that make the writer alt right? 

[Rufus]

The world needs more laughter and sanity.

It has plenty, but you won't see it with your face glued to various toilets.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Everyone, I get that you can write violence, even very disturbing violence and use it to tell a story, but I really don't believe that's what Rosenberg is doing. His history of shocking random murders is evidence of that. He is writing for shocks and not to tell a larger story about violence against women. He is the violence against women.

Why can they just call it shoddy writing and get over it? The fucking OP that thread wrote better about all this than the actual article he linked. Is badly written, no need to call the writer misogynistic or cry because you don’t like cheap melodrama in your xMen comics.

I really don't understand the complaint, because looking at that panel in no way do I get the sense that I'm supposed to be rooting for the murderer, or that he is justifying his murder in a way that seems like a reasonable excuse, so any parallels to IRL transphobic attacks would seem to be condemning them, in much the way mutant comics have allegorised marginalised groups pretty much since day one.

Also apparently Rahne Ah Cain't Believe She Ain't Scotch powers now is she turns into a pack of wolves

e: yea, what HaughtyFrank said. Are they just mad that cishet scum wrote this?

[jorma]

Everyone, I get that you can write violence, even very disturbing violence and use it to tell a story, but I really don't believe that's what Rosenberg is doing. His history of shocking random murders is evidence of that. He is writing for shocks and not to tell a larger story about violence against women. He is the violence against women.

Why can they just call it shoddy writing and get over it? The fucking OP that thread wrote better about all this than the actual article he linked. Is badly written, no need to call the writer misogynistic or cry because you don’t like cheap melodrama in your xMen comics.

I really don't understand the complaint, because looking at that panel in no way do I get the sense that I'm supposed to be rooting for the murderer, or that he is justifying his murder in a way that seems like a reasonable excuse, so any parallels to IRL transphobic attacks would seem to be condemning them, in much the way mutant comics have allegorised marginalised groups pretty much since day one.

Also apparently Rahne Ah Cain't Believe She Ain't Scotch powers now is she turns into a pack of wolves

Probably just another case of "it's not what is said that matters, it's who says it"

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/

Wow. That is pretty overt.

All that is missing is the author's alt right tweets.

:derp

I don't get it. It is an allegory to anti trans violence and the people doing it are clearly the bad guys. What's the issue? Why does that make the writer alt right?  :confused

Being fair,is because the writer is killing beloved pre existing characters in the cheapest way possible to generate shock value. Is not exactly uncommon in comics from hack writers. Is just that they decided to call him transphobic misogynistic asshole than a shitty writer because is easier to get people outraged about it.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Being fair,is because the writer is killing beloved pre existing characters in the cheapest way possible to generate shock value. Is not exactly uncommon in comics from hack writers. Is just that they decided to call him transphobic misogynistic asshole than a shitty writer because is easier to get people outraged about it.

Its definitely worth getting worked up about, because as everyone knows, X-Men deaths are the most permanent deaths in the I guess not 616 any more.

[Boredfrom]

Being fair,is because the writer is killing beloved pre existing characters in the cheapest way possible to generate shock value. Is not exactly uncommon in comics from hack writers. Is just that they decided to call him transphobic misogynistic asshole than a shitty writer because is easier to get people outraged about it.

Its definitely worth getting worked up about, because as everyone knows, X-Men deaths are the most permanent deaths in the I guess not 616 any more.

Is still a cheap tactic. The problem is that people seem worked up about the perceived politics about it than the hack writing.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Everyone, I get that you can write violence, even very disturbing violence and use it to tell a story, but I really don't believe that's what Rosenberg is doing. His history of shocking random murders is evidence of that. He is writing for shocks and not to tell a larger story about violence against women. He is the violence against women.

Why can they just call it shoddy writing and get over it? The fucking OP that thread wrote better about all this than the actual article he linked. Is badly written, no need to call the writer misogynistic or cry because you don’t like cheap melodrama in your xMen comics.

I really don't understand the complaint, because looking at that panel in no way do I get the sense that I'm supposed to be rooting for the murderer, or that he is justifying his murder in a way that seems like a reasonable excuse, so any parallels to IRL transphobic attacks would seem to be condemning them, in much the way mutant comics have allegorised marginalised groups pretty much since day one.

Also apparently Rahne Ah Cain't Believe She Ain't Scotch powers now is she turns into a pack of wolves

Probably just another case of "it's not what is said that matters, it's who says it"

No, couldn't be! Not when a thread started in good faith starts with:

So the current run of Uncanny X-Men is by a white cis male writer named Matthew Rosenberg and over the last 17+ issues…

[VomKriege]

Someone I texted yesterday literally replied with, "yikes"

Edit: I sent nudes

https://www.resetera.com/threads/“yikes-”.114951/#post-20436726

[ZombieSupaStar]

Hell I bet more industry devs post on RPG Codex and Something Awful than RE.

Has-beens only post at SomethingAwful. (#HiCliffy!)

Does JESawyer still post there? Or does that just prove your point? 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

holy shit everything is a "thing" with them. fuck

[Transhuman]

I bet they hate Linda Cardellini too

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Queen was in that movie?


booo

[Transhuman]

I bet they hate Linda Cardellini too

She chose to be in Grandma's Boy, which is a known GamerGate film, so yeah, they probably do.

Isn't the Rottentomatoes score punishment enough?

[LurkinMerkin]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424733

Probably the latter, but as has already been pointed out in the thread, the mutant oppression parallel isn't a very good one in this era of more nuanced and "real world" storytelling because mutants are dangerous and would in fact be legitimately and logically terrifying due to being a real threat to the people around them. There's real and tangible justification for anti-mutant sentiment in that context. That destroys the usefulness of any parallel to racism or anti-LGBT sentiment, as there's no justification for that. Trans people don't accidentally level a city block when their glasses fall off.

This makes a bit of sense, but also...also they are saying “it’s right to hate and fear the mutants, because they’re scary. If the X-Men were real that is.” So possibly there shouldn’t be parallels drawn to the real world, or maybe if the X-Men/LGBT people successfully hid their “powers” and kept it on the down low there would be no reason to fear their unique attributes. They’d pose no threat to the establishment that way so no one would care.

Problem solved! The best way to tell an X-Men story as an allegory to the real world experiences of minorities is to take away or nerf their powers so the hate is illogical. Imagine if a minority had a decent amount of power in real life. Then the fear and hate would be justified. Sounds fun, here’s hoping for some good writing this time for once.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424715

FWIW Matthew Rosenberg has apologized on twitter for the imagery used in Rahne's death.

Phew. Surely the woke scolds will be appeasd.

[nachobro]

I don't think it's unfair to call it out given the dialogue is what it is. I can see how a trans person reads that moment and feels very uncomfortable.

So? These things happen. Those scenes are meant to make you feel bad whoever you are, at least that is the intention the realisation not so much.

Are you suggesting we can't depict violence on trans people and women because they could feel bad? What kind of logic is that?

What it seems to me is that you are making loads of assumption based on the race and gender of the creator. There is no indication that he is what you are accusing him of

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/post-20429776

100% worthy of a ban

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424733

Probably the latter, but as has already been pointed out in the thread, the mutant oppression parallel isn't a very good one in this era of more nuanced and "real world" storytelling because mutants are dangerous and would in fact be legitimately and logically terrifying due to being a real threat to the people around them. There's real and tangible justification for anti-mutant sentiment in that context. That destroys the usefulness of any parallel to racism or anti-LGBT sentiment, as there's no justification for that. Trans people don't accidentally level a city block when their glasses fall off.

This makes a bit of sense, but also...also they are saying “it’s right to hate and fear the mutants, because they’re scary. If the X-Men were real that is.” So possibly there shouldn’t be parallels drawn to the real world, or maybe if the X-Men/LGBT people successfully hid their “powers” and kept it on the down low there would be no reason to fear their unique attributes. They’d pose no threat to the establishment that way so no one would care.

Problem solved! The best way to tell an X-Men story as an allegory to the real world experiences of minorities is to take away or nerf their powers so the hate is illogical. Imagine if a minority had a decent amount of power in real life. Then the fear and hate would be justified. Sounds fun, here’s hoping for some good writing this time for once.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424715

FWIW Matthew Rosenberg has apologized on twitter for the imagery used in Rahne's death.

Phew. Surely the woke scolds will be appeasd.

Uh... What?

X-Men are terrible allegories, they are not wrong in that.

[Snoopycat_]

How long will it be before Resetera turns on funtime Patrick?

[LurkinMerkin]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424733

Probably the latter, but as has already been pointed out in the thread, the mutant oppression parallel isn't a very good one in this era of more nuanced and "real world" storytelling because mutants are dangerous and would in fact be legitimately and logically terrifying due to being a real threat to the people around them. There's real and tangible justification for anti-mutant sentiment in that context. That destroys the usefulness of any parallel to racism or anti-LGBT sentiment, as there's no justification for that. Trans people don't accidentally level a city block when their glasses fall off.

This makes a bit of sense, but also...also they are saying “it’s right to hate and fear the mutants, because they’re scary. If the X-Men were real that is.” So possibly there shouldn’t be parallels drawn to the real world, or maybe if the X-Men/LGBT people successfully hid their “powers” and kept it on the down low there would be no reason to fear their unique attributes. They’d pose no threat to the establishment that way so no one would care.

Problem solved! The best way to tell an X-Men story as an allegory to the real world experiences of minorities is to take away or nerf their powers so the hate is illogical. Imagine if a minority had a decent amount of power in real life. Then the fear and hate would be justified. Sounds fun, here’s hoping for some good writing this time for once.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/transmisogyny-and-other-awful-stuff-in-uncanny-x-men-spoilers.114869/#post-20424715

FWIW Matthew Rosenberg has apologized on twitter for the imagery used in Rahne's death.

Phew. Surely the woke scolds will be appeasd.

Uh... What?

X-Men are terrible allegories, they are not wrong in that.

Sure. It's clumsy as hell. That's why it's a comic book.

[Boredfrom]

How long will it be before Resetera turns on funtime Patrick?

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Until there is an failing out between Patrick and his social group.

[Joe Molotov]

Greg is such an idiot, he can't just apologize and expect that it would be done with. These freaks want to see him torture Andrea and himself on video for their sins.

Should have just taken a note from THQ, basically fuck them off. They don't buy games,and they sure as fuck don't watch his content anyway.

Fuck em.

Hey there - you’re not wrong that a ton of that thread was gross and bad and straight up nonsense. Benji asked if I wanted help making an account to post there and I said, “no thanks.”

[nachobro]

I'm pretty sure Gen Z is the neo-nazi generation

it started with pushing back against Milennial "political correctness" i.e., not tolerating anti-Trans bigotry

now all the white Gen-Z kids are nazis

https://www.resetera.com/threads/get-ready-for-gen-z-employers-first-hint-theyre-not-millennials.114971/post-20441058

blaming the olds for everything is so passe now, time to blame the kids. meanwhile gen z is more accepting of trans/gay whatever stuff than millennials or any other generation, they just don't see literally everything as offensive so they are nazis now.

[Boredfrom]

I seriously doubt most girls seeing Marcel superhero movies care enough about Captain Marvel.

[Joe Molotov]

You can’t criticize this person because kids look up to them is the very thinking that led to PewDiePie’s Nazification of America. 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

They call it the free market, but I guess that's because we're the ones who have to pay for it

 

There are some truly entitled cunts on there:

Their response to the price of CC seems to be that anyone using it professionally should make enough to offset the cost. That may well be true, but if you're not yet a professional, what then?

I'd like to learn how to use it competently, follow tutorials etc.

[Uncle]

They also said TFA has forced diversity and that kids don't care about it.

uh yeah this is demonstrable



literally no one wanted a toy of Rose Tico to go on fun pew pew adventures with

[Boredfrom]

Also, I don’t think most kids look up at their fictional heroes as hard as RE thinks.

When I was a kid I was super fan of spider man but I never wanted to have spider man miserable life.

[Uncle]

When I was a child I saw Bilbo Baggins as a kindred soul, an ideal to aspire towards, the sort of person I wanted to be when I grew up; and as a result I modeled all my behavior after his, and sought to learn his ways

[thisismyusername]

but thats none of my business

I was going to go with :kermiT and "You could look it up."

But that works.

[thisismyusername]

holy shit everything is a "thing" with them. fuck

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Just pirate CS6 or whatever the last one was. Shit, you can still get CS2 for free if you put in some legwork.

Paying for Adobe Creative Cloud.

[Boredfrom]

Kids like being entertained regardless of the diversity quotas of their entertainment. I always see diversity as way to approach and empathize with other people, and also a way to make better stories by presenting different life experiences.

I just don’t see it as the end of all or a imperative for entertainment.

[Joe Molotov]

Why isn’t everything free? Bernie, can you sort this?

[jorma]

Best of the Worst was amusing and having four people always smoothed things out. Yeah they gave a big warning light about their behavior with the Wonder Woman review, but at the time it seemed like a one off complaint mostly about 'Corporate Wokeness', that is trumpeting diversity primarily as a marketing gimmick. I figured they had been big fans of Annihilation so maybe I was overthinking it.

Railing on Brie Larson for Captain Marvel pretty much turned that warning light into a giant red klaxon, and it all seemed to be because of like one interview and a harmless marketing video. So I didn't watch anything since aside from Endgame as I wanted to see how they reacted to her there. Lo and behold, more shit. I then read they somehow brought it up in the Shazam review too.

What gets me is how completely clueless they were about the idea of little girls having a hero character to look up. Apparently they have never been around a single child in their entire lives or have completely forgotten their own childhoods. How many heroes do little boys look up to that aren't human? Answer: A whole fucking lot.

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These monsters don't even hang out with little girls to understand how they think

yeah, even digitalop spends plenty of time doing proper research fieldwork outside daycare centers when he is waiting for the library to open

you know why? because he isn't completely clueless, that's why

[Boredfrom]

I'm 100% positive that most of criticism of Brie Larson the person and in the role of Captain Marvel comes from her popping in 20 movies deep and being treated like and acting like she's some equal, integral part of this franchise people have been following for 11 years. Like they have her doing press tours with people who have been in their roles together for 8-10 years and there she is front and center getting the same amount of attention (or more) like she's been there all along and is part of that thing. If her movie and character came out around the same time as, say, Thor 2, I don't think there would be much or any of the blowback a lot of people seem to have over her (which obviously itself is overblown as Captain Marvel made a billion dollars).

Being fair, that also makes clear that Marvel Studios can do “minimal” effort in shoehorning a character in a story and they will feel rewarded because at this point they are in the same position of “never failing” as Star Wars years ago, I imagine that can be frustrating specially if you are not in love with everything they do.

[thisismyusername]

Why isn’t everything free? Bernie, can you sort this?

I'll pay Adobe when their suite doesn't cost me Half a thousand a year and isn't tied to the cloud anymore.

[jorma]

Why isn’t everything free? Bernie, can you sort this?

already taken care of

[FStop7]

Would you rather spend the rest of your natural life in prison with KHarvey or Kirblar as your cellmate?

[stufte]

Wonder Woman is a better movie AND a better female superhero to look up to. It's like they think Brie Larson is the first person to play a female superhero ever.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I'm 100% positive that most of criticism of Brie Larson the person and in the role of Captain Marvel comes from her popping in 20 movies deep and being treated like and acting like she's some equal, integral part of this franchise people have been following for 11 years. Like they have her doing press tours with people who have been in their roles together for 8-10 years and there she is front and center getting the same amount of attention (or more) like she's been there all along and is part of that thing. If her movie and character came out around the same time as, say, Thor 2, I don't think there would be much or any of the blowback a lot of people seem to have over her (which obviously itself is overblown as Captain Marvel made a billion dollars).

PIG!

[thisismyusername]

I'm 100% positive that most of criticism of Brie Larson the person and in the role of Captain Marvel comes from her popping in 20 movies deep and being treated like and acting like she's some equal, integral part of this franchise people have been following for 11 years. Like they have her doing press tours with people who have been in their roles together for 8-10 years and there she is front and center getting the same amount of attention (or more) like she's been there all along and is part of that thing. If her movie and character came out around the same time as, say, Thor 2, I don't think there would be much or any of the blowback a lot of people seem to have over her (which obviously itself is overblown as Captain Marvel made a billion dollars).

Well, if she also wasn't all "LGBT+ AND THE LIKE NEED TO BE IN MARVEL FILMS, I'M THE FIRST WOMAN SUPERHERO! (Black Widow? Who's that? Idon'tKnowHer.gif)" even the actors/resses wouldn't be annoyed by her.



Also:

Endgame spoilers, for real

It also doesn't help she's only in the film for like 6-10 minutes. Says 2-3 lines in the first hour. Then comes back to destroy Thano's ship only to get bitch slapped into the ground by him and is out of the big battle after that.

[close]

As someone that hasn't seen Captain Marvel but saw Endgame, that made her look very "Mary Sue"-ish.

[Boredfrom]

You cannot even use Mary Sue as a negative in certain parts of the internet.

[HaughtyFrank]

I'm 100% positive that most of criticism of Brie Larson the person and in the role of Captain Marvel comes from her popping in 20 movies deep and being treated like and acting like she's some equal, integral part of this franchise people have been following for 11 years. Like they have her doing press tours with people who have been in their roles together for 8-10 years and there she is front and center getting the same amount of attention (or more) like she's been there all along and is part of that thing. If her movie and character came out around the same time as, say, Thor 2, I don't think there would be much or any of the blowback a lot of people seem to have over her (which obviously itself is overblown as Captain Marvel made a billion dollars).

In hindsight it's absolutely ridiculous how much she was part of the press tour considering how little she is in the movie

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's almost like, when they come across something embarrassing, they have to top it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fox-news-have-guest-describe-democrat-chicken-stunt-as-racially-insensitive.114979/

This name changing thing is so lame.

CZ & Burlap continue to be ridiculous fools.

Ot course, it's Zirconia and Polyester.

Rhinestone and Rayon still tapping, I see.

Ah so its Bauxite and Flannel

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Eightbit you absolute mad man

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-know-where-enzom-went.114993/

[Occam]

By the way, is it Cultural Appropriation if non-Europeans (eg Africans, Asians) wear European clothes?

(Cultural Appropriation, a concept by morons for morons.)

 

try again dumbass

Lacking a basic understanding of the history and evolution of human culture kind of makes you the dumbass, doesn't it? One cannot "appropriate" other cultures in the negative sense this moronic concept implies.

[Raist]

Eightbit you absolute mad man

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-know-where-enzom-went.114993/

Instalock without any explanation 

[samir]

Eightbit you absolute mad man

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anyone-know-where-enzom-went.114993/

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