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« Reply #180 on: March 20, 2019, 02:29:12 PM »
Input lag like that doesn't "feel" as  bad with a controller though;  but yeah it's nearly unplayable with a mouse.

Depends on the type of game. In a platformer, yes it does. Completely changes the nature and timing of the jump.
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« Reply #181 on: March 20, 2019, 02:31:06 PM »
Because it's pretty obvious that the input lag will improve.

I mean you just referenced playing street fighter 3 online and being happy with it. Which I'm pretty sure 5-10 years ago people thought would be impossible because of input lag. Yet here we are. Single player games will obviously be easier to do.

There was input lag during AC on the Project Stream test, but not enough to ruin the game. And not enough to think it would improve from an already solid base.

It merely needs to get good enough for most people to take off. And most people will already have access to it.

Online is just a supplement. It's not the real thing (an arcade machine or playing locally). I know many players who refuse to play online even now. :idont Even then, I just tend to play games that would likely be impeded.
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« Reply #182 on: March 20, 2019, 02:42:01 PM »
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« Reply #183 on: March 20, 2019, 02:45:17 PM »
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« Reply #184 on: March 20, 2019, 02:55:14 PM »
Rax the sole words of wisdom in this thread. Yall some ancient troglodytes with these attacks. If the general consumer was like you guys we would be still using Nokias FFS.
I just bought a Nokia phone for work. :fbm

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« Reply #185 on: March 20, 2019, 02:55:57 PM »
Rax the sole words of wisdom in this thread. Yall some ancient troglodytes with these attacks. If the general consumer was like you guys we would be still using Nokias FFS.

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Sometimes high tech doesn't mean better tech.

In order for Google's thing to work:

1. We should all be on fiber connections or fiber equivalent
2. You'd have to completely change the fabric of American online infrastructure
3. Wireless shouldn't be the only option of play
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« Reply #186 on: March 20, 2019, 03:00:54 PM »
Either way, I don’t think it’s going to replace console gaming. But I think it’s going to do well and give people and publishers options. I think it’s exciting even though I probably won’t use it.

This is something that won’t happen, but I’d love to see people try out Persona 5 or Final Fantasy X because they watched a thing about them on YouTube and then the link to play them was right there.

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« Reply #187 on: March 20, 2019, 03:03:48 PM »


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« Reply #188 on: March 20, 2019, 03:06:46 PM »
ms is no better, the stream dream is dead :shaq2


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« Reply #189 on: March 20, 2019, 03:08:33 PM »
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« Reply #190 on: March 20, 2019, 03:10:05 PM »


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« Reply #191 on: March 20, 2019, 03:15:22 PM »
There is a google data center 10 miles from me dawg. Give me that hot and streamy goodness.

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« Reply #192 on: March 20, 2019, 03:19:12 PM »
In any case, I realize I'm in the minority. I own a crt for my old systems, I keep my systems and don't sell them towards a new system, and I play old games. So maybe my concerns are irrelevant.
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« Reply #193 on: March 20, 2019, 03:39:42 PM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
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« Reply #194 on: March 20, 2019, 03:50:41 PM »
tbh not even movie streaming convinced me. No one wants to sign up for more than one or two services at the same time and the offerings on their own are pretty crap. The most basic movies/classics are gone within a month on Netflix, or haven't ever been on there. I don't even want to imagine the licencing hassle for games. Not to mention that converting 60$ products to a stream will no way make for subscriptions as cheap as movies. Unless you go full mobile gacha and lootboxes for everything.

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« Reply #195 on: March 20, 2019, 03:58:38 PM »
tbh not even movie streaming convinced me. No one wants to sign up for more than one or two services at the same time and the offerings on their own are pretty crap. The most basic movies/classics are gone within a month on Netflix, or haven't ever been on there. I don't even want to imagine the licencing hassle for games. Not to mention that converting 60$ products to a stream will no way make for subscriptions as cheap as movies. Unless you go full mobile gacha and lootboxes for everything.
This is true, but to a lot of people the mentality is less "i want to watch X, who has it?" and more "i want to watch anything, what does Netflix offer?".

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« Reply #196 on: March 20, 2019, 03:58:52 PM »
tbh not even movie streaming convinced me. No one wants to sign up for more than one or two services at the same time and the offerings on their own are pretty crap. The most basic movies/classics are gone within a month on Netflix, or haven't ever been on there. I don't even want to imagine the licencing hassle for games. Not to mention that converting 60$ products to a stream will no way make for subscriptions as cheap as movies. Unless you go full mobile gacha and lootboxes for everything.

Yeah. In the case of something like Netflix you pay once a month. How do you pay for games? Stuff is taken off Netflix all the time. What about when services shutter? Do you own it? Criterion Collection has gone from Netflix to Hulu to FilmStruck. FilmStruck closed down and now Criterion has to make their own service. Never mind that paying for a game has always been more expensive than paying for a movie. So what happens if it I pay monthly and I like this one specific game and it's taken off the service? Or what if I pay full price for the game and it's taken off? We have a something similar to how this is handled already and it's how Apple handles games. Firmware upgrades may or may not work with your games. Entire games have to be completely retooled sometimes to work on new firmware updates. People will deliberately not update so they don't lose their games/apps. I see a similar consumer/developer hostility with a stream service.

However, there's an anomaly in your example. I pay for Netflix and Hulu but I sometimes do rent or buy from Youtube or Amazon. They're safe and it's okay to throw four bucks at Google to rent a movie for a night.

It sounds good for disposable for gaming, but not much beyond that.
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« Reply #197 on: March 20, 2019, 04:10:42 PM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
I think Google fucked up by not launching a hybrid solution where you could have streaming everywhere but offline play for those who want it

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« Reply #198 on: March 20, 2019, 04:11:01 PM »
There might be a market for this but its not "teh future of gaming".

If anything gaming is very diverse now. PC doing good, Switch doing good, PS4 doing good, mobile games doing good. Very diverse ecosystem that caters to lots of stuff and people.

Lets not die on any hills here like Oscar did with mobile gaming.

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« Reply #199 on: March 20, 2019, 04:26:27 PM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
I think Google fucked up by not launching a hybrid solution where you could have streaming everywhere but offline play for those who want it

Its called Game Pass. I know the Xbox One isn't viewed in a favorable light on the bore, but as a service, Game Pass has been fucking excellent. There isn't streaming yet, but at this point, its not needed.

If tiers or packages are added, imagine paying $29.99 monthly to play most AAA games right when they launch.
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« Reply #200 on: March 20, 2019, 05:20:29 PM »
Sure game pass is amazing but xbox is dead outside of the us

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« Reply #201 on: March 20, 2019, 05:31:11 PM »
Sure game pass is amazing but xbox is dead outside of the us

I think it’s talking about how game pass works. I’m pretty sure he knows the Xbox sales figures.
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« Reply #202 on: March 20, 2019, 06:50:42 PM »
I’m in for this just for space channel 6 and Panzer Dragoon Saga 2.

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« Reply #203 on: March 20, 2019, 07:11:10 PM »
Looks just like one of the countless services and products Google rolled out and then ditched and forgotten.
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« Reply #204 on: March 20, 2019, 07:13:23 PM »
it's like google translate, but vidya and they also want me to pay for it  :neogaf
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« Reply #205 on: March 20, 2019, 07:13:52 PM »
Looks just like one of the countless services and products Google rolled out and then ditched and forgotten.

Can't wait to log into the Bire with my Google+ account :hyper

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« Reply #206 on: March 20, 2019, 07:19:03 PM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
I think Google fucked up by not launching a hybrid solution where you could have streaming everywhere but offline play for those who want it

Maybe, but then you're still looking at being locked in on a device which is capable of downloading, storing, and running the game. The main point of Stadia is letting a datacenter do the heavy lifting on everything, and letting users play on whichever device they have handy.

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« Reply #207 on: March 21, 2019, 01:56:17 AM »
People have been working on making this tech real in various forms for a decade, and I guess if anyone in the current climate could do it, it would be Google.

On the other hand, Google is not the company I would want in charge of this, because they'll either kill it prematurely or use it for some nefarious purpose.
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« Reply #208 on: March 21, 2019, 02:44:49 AM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
I think Google fucked up by not launching a hybrid solution where you could have streaming everywhere but offline play for those who want it

Maybe, but then you're still looking at being locked in on a device which is capable of downloading, storing, and running the game. The main point of Stadia is letting a datacenter do the heavy lifting on everything, and letting users play on whichever device they have handy.
you're not locked in though, google just has to mandate a min spec version that plays on box X for the people who want to have that experience and the rest still streams. Even box users can then go hop on a bus and play on their phone later

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« Reply #209 on: March 21, 2019, 12:05:46 PM »
People have been working on making this tech real in various forms for a decade, and I guess if anyone in the current climate could do it, it would be Google.

On the other hand, Google is not the company I would want in charge of this, because they'll either kill it prematurely or use it for some nefarious purpose.
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« Reply #210 on: March 21, 2019, 05:29:43 PM »
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/20/18273991/google-stadia-microsoft-xbox-phil-spencer-response-comments


Quote from: Phil Spencer
“Their announcement is validation of the path we embarked on two years ago,” says Spencer.

Yes Phil, because no one did streaming before you embarked on that path :lol

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« Reply #211 on: March 21, 2019, 07:31:31 PM »
I want to emphasize that I think an option for both streaming and hard copy should be possible. Just like today, wireless controllers haven't taken away from the fact you can still play with a wired controller. Both have their own utility. The main concern comes when people talk of one technology "replacing" another.
I think Google fucked up by not launching a hybrid solution where you could have streaming everywhere but offline play for those who want it

Maybe, but then you're still looking at being locked in on a device which is capable of downloading, storing, and running the game. The main point of Stadia is letting a datacenter do the heavy lifting on everything, and letting users play on whichever device they have handy.
you're not locked in though, google just has to mandate a min spec version that plays on box X for the people who want to have that experience and the rest still streams. Even box users can then go hop on a bus and play on their phone later

But then you have to have a means of communicating everything that happened on the local, play-capable device back to the datacenter instance of it, instead of having the datacenter be the only instance of it.

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« Reply #212 on: March 21, 2019, 07:51:35 PM »
Perfect timing for the current state of net neutrality.  :doge

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« Reply #213 on: March 21, 2019, 08:34:51 PM »
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Anyhow this is all part of more impressive cloud solutions running with the widespread availability of 5G in mind.
Google has all the tech ready when 5G becomes the norm in 2-3 years.
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« Reply #214 on: March 21, 2019, 08:59:43 PM »
Perfect timing for the current state of net neutrality.  :doge
indeed it is. google can bribe comcast and the others to give their packets priority and not count their data against caps :rollsafe

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« Reply #215 on: March 21, 2019, 09:05:55 PM »
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Anyhow this is all part of more impressive cloud solutions running with the widespread availability of 5G in mind.
Google has all the tech ready when 5G becomes the norm in 2-3 years.



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« Reply #216 on: March 21, 2019, 10:06:33 PM »
29ms to Montreal is my fastest... yeah fuck this. Not to mention this is pretty much the antithesis to how I play and consume games. Usually stick with one game for a couple of months and then shelf it when I'm done, so a subscription based service will soon end up being more expensive (also imagine if each of the big companies decide to bring their own subscription services to the platform). While half of what I do like (turn based RPGs), the latency wouldn't matter, in the other half of what I play (shmups, fighters, platformers, rhythm), it would be a dealbreaker.
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« Reply #217 on: March 21, 2019, 11:04:15 PM »
the lack of Gs. we need way more Gs.

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« Reply #218 on: March 21, 2019, 11:10:18 PM »
i have better latency to the Global HTTP Load Balancer than any of the regions, by 5-10ms :lol

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« Reply #219 on: March 21, 2019, 11:25:39 PM »
Gs up, hoes down

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« Reply #220 on: March 22, 2019, 12:31:30 AM »
Netflix just reached the current state of the once Big Five studios this year. And they still rely on them for a lot of the content so their true assets value is smaller than that. If those studios pulled everything Netflix would crater, currently it's mutually beneficial.

Google probably isn't even doing that based on all their other experiments like this, they're likely just subsidizing things with their massive resources. It's a similar situation to the Epic Games Store in that we won't really know about this until the subsidies go away. And they will have to go away at some point before it's more than a niche part of the industry. I'll suggest that Epic is probably too late, while Google is probably far far too early. Except that I don't know how much the "parent" is willing to lose on these endeavors purely to have a foothold in the market.

I think Microsoft and Sony are eventually going to find that having the significant hardware storage on location with most of their users to be too much value to how games are distributed. And that a form of distributed storage to be the most "streaming" achieved that fits the development model. Me streaming the content off of riotous' and everybody else's Xbox while never or barely hitting a Microsoft or third party paid for server for example is too much value to ignore. I could be totally off base but I think even the other content streaming services are going to consider the same thing especially for regularly reused content, send it once when you can. Local storage options just continue to get cheaper where it seems you have to consider this. The current services all buffer when they can, this is just expanding the buffer and dedicating it to some level, which gaming loves.

Now, this might even be simply to cut latency or supplement streaming the video content or allow users to better play online and stream. Gaming has too many advantages tied into that local storage with comparatively fast accessibility, every attempt to escape it has been beaten back. Including in the forms of stuff like the move to CDs. Having things like hard drives and expansive memory budgets became too valuable to the development model. Even more than to the consumer arguably!

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« Reply #221 on: March 22, 2019, 12:43:51 AM »
I think that a reasonable arrangement can be made between parties on that much more easily than can figuring out how to fund the entire thing on backend content servers. A lot of major ISP's parents already have their foot in many places.

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« Reply #222 on: March 22, 2019, 12:53:17 AM »
The main thing I'm saying regarding it is that I imagine they're going to want to look into it more than the streaming of the video in the end I think. Because you can grab tiny pieces from many locations, then store them locally even if temporarily. All of which is cheap if you can figure out the well known technical hurdles and/or simply achieve a form of critical mass.

The streaming of the video content only is more than just a technical problem on one part of the final distribution, it's an economic problem from top to bottom in the development model.

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« Reply #223 on: March 22, 2019, 12:56:04 AM »
Okay; first off, without knowing what the content and pricing is for stadia, its pretty pointless speculating too much, because ultimately - as with every other gaming system ever made - thats what will be the major driver of adoption.

Technical stuff doesn't matter to a mass majority.
It really doesn't.
People listen to 128Kbps MP3s on some Beats By Dre headphones over a bluetooth connection to their phone.
They watch over the air 720p broadcasts on their 4K TVs.
They play games with Game Mode enabled on their TV with wireless controllers, and wouldn't notice input lag even if you have a whole setup mode specifically addressing it in Guitar Hero.

This isn't an elitist 'lol, normies' observation. Its just the fact of the matter that enthusiasts care about shit that casual partakers really don't.
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Sony and MS are MASSIVELY successful at what they are doing, and they are making a ton of money for the people who produce videogames.  What in the world did they "fuck up" exactly?

are they though?
the games industry in the 'core gamer' space is... not doing as great as you seem to think it is.
Publishers aren't making moves that piss off the vocal #realgamers because they think its funny to piss them off, or because they're sooooo greedy they can't help themselves.

The user experience for a modern console is fucking shit. If you've become accustomed to it because its ramped up slowly, that doesn't stop that being the case for someone who hasn't.
The quintessential console experience was; cheap box, under TV, stick game in, play. Simple, idiot proof.
Now? Buy your expensive box (built in obsolescence of 2 years), create username and password, sign into services, put game in, wait what can be as long as an hour for files to copy over, connect to online services, download patch, install patch, restart game, sign in, get upsold to an online pass to play online, finally get to play actual game.
Its a fucking chore.

If the promise of click play on trailer -> play the fucking game immediately is even half met, thats an ease and simplicity of experience that Sony & MS long since abandoned.

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« Reply #224 on: March 22, 2019, 01:10:28 AM »
The user experience for a modern console is fucking shit. If you've become accustomed to it because its ramped up slowly, that doesn't stop that being the case for someone who hasn't.
The quintessential console experience was; cheap box, under TV, stick game in, play. Simple, idiot proof.
Now? Buy your expensive box (built in obsolescence of 2 years), create username and password, sign into services, put game in, wait what can be as long as an hour for files to copy over, connect to online services, download patch, install patch, restart game, sign in, get upsold to an online pass to play online, finally get to play actual game.
Its a fucking chore.

If the promise of click play on trailer -> play the fucking game immediately is even half met, thats an ease and simplicity of experience that Sony & MS long since abandoned.
yeah this is the real boon of this thing if it works. I've been playing more stuff on console as opposed to PC lately because we have a one x now and it can't be overstated how fucking shitty as fuck just trying to switch the thing on and play a game can be sometimes

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« Reply #225 on: March 22, 2019, 01:28:01 AM »
I do think there is a bit of too much tied up in the whole "replacement" thing, or the idea of a "winner" and a "loser" as is so rooted in the console/gaming/human space.

It's true, Stadia or something like it can exist as an idea on the backs of the hardcore gamer being the first-run purchase and a more casual audience coming into it as you describe of the trailer/steam/video to game thing.

Basically, in other words, we're bringing back renting without the physical copies. But it's going to have to be Microsoft and/or Sony figuring this out to build on top of their existing console model, probably not Google. Google has no interest in the first-run revenue stream let alone how it comes to exist.

The form it takes will probably actually be mandatory in some way. No using a Xbox without this Xbox Live subscription even if you don't stream a thing.

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« Reply #226 on: March 22, 2019, 01:30:26 AM »
Technical stuff doesn't matter to a mass majority.
It really doesn't.
People listen to 128Kbps MP3s on some Beats By Dre headphones over a bluetooth connection to their phone.
They watch over the air 720p broadcasts on their 4K TVs.
They play games with Game Mode enabled on their TV with wireless controllers, and wouldn't notice input lag even if you have a whole setup mode specifically addressing it in Guitar Hero.

This isn't an elitist 'lol, normies' observation. Its just the fact of the matter that enthusiasts care about shit that casual partakers really don't.

I made this point too, however there's also the factor that good enough internet is not really all that common (assuming Stadia needs >20Mb of ADSL) which would restrict its use to a smaller crowd.
And if you're catering to a smaller crowd, inevitably you have to offer a different kind of service for a different kind of price. (namely: better service for higher price, which goes against the very argument).

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« Reply #227 on: March 22, 2019, 01:36:16 AM »
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Anyhow this is all part of more impressive cloud solutions running with the widespread availability of 5G in mind.
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« Reply #229 on: March 22, 2019, 02:24:44 AM »
Europoors thinking their ping is going to matter with shit non-NAS streaming. What else is new.

@GreatSage: I don't think most folks will want to play with the terrible input lag. You couldn't play fighting games, or shooters (a big gaming segment there) on it, due to lag time between the input to the server and the server's response/showing reaction in twitch shooters like Quake, for instance. Some may adjust, and have no problem, but I really think a large majority will have a problem. Just like VR had a certain segment that had no problems, problems, and those that couldn't care about VR in the first place.

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« Reply #230 on: March 22, 2019, 02:53:23 AM »
People have been working on making this tech real in various forms for a decade, and I guess if anyone in the current climate could do it, it would be Google.

On the other hand, Google is not the company I would want in charge of this, because they'll either kill it prematurely or use it for some nefarious purpose.
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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #231 on: March 22, 2019, 04:31:23 AM »
@GreatSage: I don't think most folks will want to play with the terrible input lag. You couldn't play fighting games, or shooters (a big gaming segment there) on it, due to lag time between the input to the server and the server's response/showing reaction in twitch shooters like Quake, for instance. Some may adjust, and have no problem, but I really think a large majority will have a problem. Just like VR had a certain segment that had no problems, problems, and those that couldn't care about VR in the first place.

Having seen numerous arguments on self proclaimed hardcore gamer forums on many occasions on many different topics such as that controllers are just as good as kb+m for FPS games, that 30fps is just as good as 60fps because the human eye can't even see above 30fps anyway, that p2p networking is just as good as dedicated servers and that theres no such thing as host advantage, or that PS4 remote play to a Vita is just as good as the WiiUs bespoke high bandwidth low latency streaming solution...
I think you'll find out 'just as good' is fairly flexible in definition. To the point where 'just as good' means whatever is on offer.

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #232 on: March 22, 2019, 04:35:22 AM »
Unless time travel is invented or they build processing centers close to every single house, this can't work for quick reaction games like it does on home consoles. Light speed is a thing, and the data needs to travel back and forth (controller input). Every junction adds lag, as does your display. Sure, you can create games that basically play themselves, but what's the point? Might as well just watch YouTube then.
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kingv

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #233 on: March 22, 2019, 04:53:43 AM »
Those input lag videos do not look great to me.

Occam

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #234 on: March 22, 2019, 09:25:47 AM »
I have no idea if it will be successful; certain types of games that don't require precisely timed interactions can work streamed. However, given those limitations, it's not a replacement for local systems.

Is there any information available how well PlayStation Now is doing for Sony?
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Svejk

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #235 on: March 22, 2019, 09:33:09 AM »
I mean... if Lougle moneyhatted the fuck outta CDPR and made Cyberpunk 2077 exclusive to this, I would insta get...  but we all know that that's not happening, right?..

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« Reply #236 on: March 22, 2019, 02:15:02 PM »
If you think the average person won't recognize when their controls aren't responsive I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #237 on: March 22, 2019, 02:22:04 PM »
If you think the average person won't recognize when their controls aren't responsive I don't know what to tell you.

The average person thinks NBA 2K is smooth and responsive

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #238 on: March 22, 2019, 05:18:31 PM »
it is genuinely hilarious that some of you think that physical media is here to stay for the most tech-obsessed corner of the entertainment industry. you seriously think so bullshit like resolution or a slight input delay is going to stop a gaming delivery method that anyone involved in game distribution (outside nintendo ofc) has been working on for over a decade? as has been stated many times in this thread, finding a baseline of "good enough" will be enough to get this thing going, and those existing problems will be worked on in the coming years. physical media in any form will be for collectors only soon enough and it's silly to think that gaming would somehow be exempt.

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Re: Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2
« Reply #239 on: March 22, 2019, 05:40:44 PM »
ah man well i guess that's it then. the tech isn't good enough outside major cities right now and it will clearly never ever improve. nice try google but it looks like we'll be sticking solely with 100gb+ downloads for the next 10 years.