Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2

[remy]

I was right about them using rollback/ggpo type tech 

[Raist]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/stadia/negative-latency-prediction


 

[kingv]

I sort of see this prediction discussion as getting in front of bad latency on release.

Like “don’t worry, it will get better.” Lack of a beta is also a little 🤔.

Biggest issue though is google just doesn’t really seem very serious about this.

[kingv]

They sort of did, but it was limited to 1080P and I think invite only.

But there’s a lot of people that I think are skeptical, and won’t really believe it until they can actually try it themselves. If it works really well, it seems like a mistake, because nobody can really try it out for themselves.

[nachobro]

letting the marks test stuff out first is a tried and true method, nothing unusual there

[MMaRsu]

Imagine thinking casual gamers will buy this 

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1186807073473843201

[kingv]

It’s like they’re already preparing to shitcan it.

[Svejk]

 

[Nuitangg]

That's pretty terrible.

[TVC15]

Google’s effortless launch lineup is so terrible that some of the dumber posters here will be using the Stadia as a BB so they can dodge BTs.

I’m chopping my real support lifespan estimate from 2 years down to 1. This is obviously not as high a priority as it needs to be to succeed.

I guess at least Death Stranding isn’t the only recent major shameful embarrassment.

[Joe Molotov]

Stadia: We got some games you've heard of, plus whatever GYLT, Kine, and Thumper are.

[TVC15]

We hope you like Tomb Raider! We cut the throat of Google Inbox just to bring you all the Tomb Raiders! The kids love the Tomb Raiders!

[Rufus]

Gylt is third person horror judging by the trailer. Thumper is a gorgeous rhythm game and been out for years. Kine is a 3D puzzler that's already available on Epic's store.

Killer apps, clearly.

[Joe Molotov]

We hope you like Tomb Raider! We cut the throat of Google Inbox just to bring you all the Tomb Raiders! The kids love the Tomb Raiders!

I legit forgot there was a third NuRaider game.

[kingv]

A rhythm game has to be the worst choice for this.

[Rufus]

The fighting games are also going to be interesting benchmarks.

[Tasty]

We hope you like Tomb Raider! We cut the throat of Google Inbox just to bring you all the Tomb Raiders! The kids love the Tomb Raiders!

I legit forgot there was a third NuRaider game.

What's weird is that 1 and 3 are Definitive Editions but not 2.

Did they ever get around to doing a DE of the second or...

[TVC15]

I mean they announced like a month ago they were forming game studios just now for Stadia exclusive games.

It is a weird mix of signals they are sending.   

I honestly think Google just likes to spin projects up fast and get moving. It’s not a bad trait, really. Just maybe not the best approach here.

My junior advice would’ve been to emphasize this is an early access launch more. Or even call it a beta launch. Maybe a little branding help in that would’ve smoothed things over.

[Raist]

That's one trainwreck of a launch lineup.

[Occam]

Thanks for the laugh, Google.

[kingv]

They should have at least tried to moneyhst Red Dead, so it was the only way to play it on PC.

[Nintex]

(Image removed from quote.)

I see the guy that curated the Wii U launch line-up found a new job

[paprikastaude]

[I'm a Puppy!]

My god google. You're a fucking corporate mega-empire. You should be embarassed.

[thisismyusername]

A rhythm game has to be the worst choice for this.

Actually, with how shit this is in terms of input lag: That might actually be the secret killer app of this shit service. Who gives a shit about a bunch of misses if you're basically doing this:



While Just Dance (going by the original launch version) is like "nah, gurl! SICK MOVES x 200!"/not a rhythm game.

Meanwhile, nobody is playing MK or Samurai Showdown on this. The lag will be atrocious for either, even if SamSho is slower.

[Tasty]

The overfocus on shooters and fighting games is so misguided lol. They have FF15 but like, big budget RPGs should be this service's bread and butter, not twitch genres.

I guess in a way they're swinging their cloud epene but saying "we CAN do those genres!" but it's resulting in an uncompelling lineup. Like TIMU said, no one is using this as their main platform for fighters, ever.

[kingv]

I feel like fighters on this also the have potential to be unfair in a way that other networking isn’t.

The way I understand it, for most fighting games the clients are in lockstep so both people feel the lag equally. There is no “client” here so closer to the data center just means your inputs come out quicker and the other guy is seeing 2/10 of a second behind what you are.

[nachobro]

just dance slander

if anything it's probably the best choice for a system like this

[thisismyusername]

jif anything it's probably the best choice for a system like this

...Because my Slander is true, though.



I really wish I had the old original Wii version video/Youtube of someone just shaking the controller and passing, not even attempting to mimic the moves. At least in Dance Central ( ) you had to attempt to copy the moves because the hardware the game was on would register those. ( :troll )

[nachobro]

it's only true for the inferior, non-kinect versions of the game for dance plebeians.

the setup for non kinect versions is to use your phone and mimic poses now, shaking a controller has nothing to do with it anymore. however it only tracks your right hand cause it assumes you hold the phone there

[thisismyusername]

Yeah, that's why I'm saying it'll probably be the killer app of this: There's no way the game registers your moves, so input lag and all that shit won't matter.

[nachobro]

also the phone you use to play it will actually be the controller stadia's was promised to be: wireless and directly connected to the ubisoft servers

[Raist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/dvv3tv/hi_reddit_andrey_from_the_stadia_team_here_and_im/

Family Sharing is not supported on day 1, so you’ll have to buy games for your child’s account. But it’s a high priority feature, we’re planning to launch early next year.

ANDREY: You will start achieving right away! Because games will be recording your achievements on Stadia on day one! It’s just the platform UI for viewing your achievements and achievement notifications will launch shortly after launch. I know, it’s something you want. Just imagine the day the UI launches: you’ll get a bunch of achievements all at once! MEGA OVER ACHIEVEMENT!

[Tasty]

In terms of console launches, this half-assed rush job sits about in the middle between, say, 3DO and the N64.

[kingv]

3do had a naughty dog game at launch. And multiple exclusives.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/russellholly/status/1194694582333771781

This AMA is the greatest.

[TVC15]

ANDREY: You will start achieving right away! Because games will be recording your achievements on Stadia on day one! It’s just the platform UI for viewing your achievements and achievement notifications will launch shortly after launch. I know, it’s something you want. Just imagine the day the UI launches: you’ll get a bunch of achievements all at once! MEGA OVER ACHIEVEMENT!

I hope Google lets this person drink during work hours. I’ll use my common comparison point: this is as embarrassing as when Nintendo fans used to commonly say “I don’t like having too many games to play!”

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Even Ouya had Towerfall at launch.

[thisismyusername]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/dvv3tv/hi_reddit_andrey_from_the_stadia_team_here_and_im/

Family Sharing is not supported on day 1, so you’ll have to buy games for your child’s account. But it’s a high priority feature, we’re planning to launch early next year.

ANDREY: You will start achieving right away! Because games will be recording your achievements on Stadia on day one! It’s just the platform UI for viewing your achievements and achievement notifications will launch shortly after launch. I know, it’s something you want. Just imagine the day the UI launches: you’ll get a bunch of achievements all at once! MEGA OVER ACHIEVEMENT!

I seriously can't believe that shit response is positive upvotes. Gamers are so fucking dumb.

[nachobro]

Buddy Pass not available til two weeks after launch
Need an android phone to buy games
Need to buy a game a second time to play with someone else, no family sharing
Doesn't work with existing Chromecast Ultras until an unknown date when they update them
Achievements "exist" but there's no way to view or track the ones you earned or could earn
Their big touted feature Stream Connect will be supported by zero games at launch, maybe one by the end of the year
No accessibility options at launch

Seems like this is a winner for sure

[Tasty]

Family sharing is confirmed on its way.

People don't even have their controllers yet, so not sure about complaining about Chromecast updates this early.

The rest makes for a shitty launch, but that's about it.

[TVC15]

Need an android phone to buy games? Is that accurate? I may have to cancel my order.

[thisismyusername]

Dunno about buying, but the actual streaming/playing is Android only right now (well, Pixels only)

[Tasty]

They probably mean you can't buy stuff directly on iOS because that's how Apple rolls.

Would be surprising if the website, which has yet to launch, doesn't let you buy games when it'll let you stream them.

[thisismyusername]

Dunno about buying, but the actual streaming/playing is Android only right now (well, Pixels only)

Reddit: BERI: You will not need your phone every time you use Stadia. The phone is needed for initial setup and buying games. Once you’ve connected, to play games, you can just grab your controller and hit the Stadia button.

:whatthechrist

This isn't "shitty launch," Andy-kun. This is full "we're still releasing this turd from our butts" launch.

https://twitter.com/russellholly/status/1194700535728918535

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Family sharing is confirmed on its way.

[thisismyusername]

Andy-kun, blink if Googie is paying you to upvote bot their shitty AMA.

[Nuitangg]

Even Ouya had Towerfall at launch.

Those Gaf Ouya threads. 

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Even Ouya had Towerfall at launch.

Those Gaf Ouya threads. 

 

[nachobro]

billion dollar company with an existing parent/child account system can't figure out how to share games between those accounts.

also can't even ship their garbage product on time

can't even buy games on a website to play them on your magic internet console



except you can't cause it only works on special stadia chromecasts

[kingv]

Towerfall. Now there’s a game I 100% forgot about.

[Nintex]

Developers of launch software are afraid Google will cancel this thing before it gets any traction.
Which is why software support is lackluster.

It's kinda a chicken and egg story. If the software isn't there it won't sell and when it doesn't sell Google will pull the plug early.

[nachobro]

i dunno paying a monthly fee for access to an fps from two years ago that is now available for free everywhere sounds like a great deal to me.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Holy shit, this thing really is the Google Ouya

[nachobro]

if only the biggest sale day of the year for video games happened around the time of this dumbass launch and people could get destiny for cheaper than $10 a month for the rest of their life.

[nachobro]

the idea of it is cool but also i already played that game a year ago in 4K HDR so a 1080p stream isn't really that exciting in practice

also i feel like i've heard both ways a thousand time now about the sub coming with free games so i gave up trying to understand it. but a free montly game drop is at least keeping pace with sony/ms/epic so thats a good start.

[TVC15]

They said "1 a month give or take" when pressed for details;  it's  the style of system where once you "earned" the game by having a sub during the month(s) it's available you have it on your account forever.   If you pause your sub, you lose access.. but can regain it by re-subbing. 

So anyone joining the early program is likely getting 3 free games.. now how good those games are is another question lol

December: Tomb Raider Legend
January: Tomb Raider Anniversary
February: Tomb Raider Underworld

[TVC15]

The real joke is that all of these Tomb Raider games are probably sitting in my Steam library, where I paid money to not ever play them more than once.

[thisismyusername]

Dunno about buying, but the actual streaming/playing is Android only right now (well, Pixels only)

Reddit: BERI: You will not need your phone every time you use Stadia. The phone is needed for initial setup and buying games. Once you’ve connected, to play games, you can just grab your controller and hit the Stadia button.

:whatthechrist

This isn't "shitty launch," Andy-kun. This is full "we're still releasing this turd from our butts" launch.

That twitter user left out the question (probably purposefully, since there goal is internet snark points not actually disseminating information)

Question:  Will a phone have to be used every time you try to use stadia on the chromecast to cast stadia, or just for initial setup?

The answer in that context doesn't read to me as "WE DONT HAVE A WEB STORE".. it's answering someone's question about how you use your phone to interact with the Stadia app on Chromecast, because most things on Chromecast require you interact with your phone. 

Now it's possible they don't have a web store;  but I don't see proof of that in the reddit ama.

The question doesn't change the context.

"Do you ned a phone everytime to use stadia?"
"No, just when buying games."
Twitter snark is right unless the AMA shows different from what I read (to confirm it): You need a phone to buy the games. That's what I'm :wtc 'ing about.