Google Stadia: Electric Snoopaloo Sayga Bleemcast 2

[Nintex]

It's rough, which is understandable for new technology but more surprising is the lack of a target audience for this thing.
I can't quite tell who their audience is or is supposed to be now that all the interesting features, such as jumping from YouTube into Stadia have been postponed.

[TVC15]

Yeah, I’m canceling when I get back to my desk. This is DOA if Google doesn’t start giving more of a fuck and fast. The right people mustn’t have been on this for launch.

[TVC15]

I just realized Google is going to have to release a please understand/the statement over this. Something to look forward to.

[thisismyusername]

So this shit died even before it launched? Fabuloso.

https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1196488999524802562

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[ZombieSupaStar]

What if Alucard just shows up later in new console threads or new games and is like

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[Nintex]

https://about.google/intl/en/products/

They never bothered to add it to their products list. 


LMAO

[thisismyusername]

Andy-kun please put this site in the OP:

https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1196447880728453120

TYIA</Kara>

Edit: Oh wait, it's Momo. Well either of you or the mods please put this up for the dead pool.

[Nintex]

Let's start with the target audience. Who is this product for?
Low-income consumers? Not really... when games discounted on other systems are vendor locked $59,99.
They're better off buying used games or simply using Steam or any other PC storefront. Plus you need a number
of devices (phone, Chromecast, TV) etc. to get this thing to work in the first place.

High-end users or enthusiasts?
Stadia games perform worse than Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. Nor are there any noticable exclusives.
If you invest in a 4K TV you will just pick-up a console or hook up your high-end PC.

This looks like a product conceived in a boardroom and no one dared to ask "Why are we making this?" or "Who is this for?"
Unless Google figures out a 'hook' it'll die within months not years.

[Great Rumbler]

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[Raist]

But negative latency.

[Potato]

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Streaming is the future...said all the fucking idiots!

[benjipwns]

You guys are going to look like jabronis when they send out the USB Dongle to turn on the secret sauce.

[ZombieSupaStar]

Has Alucard posted anywhere on RE today? Or is he just laying low

[ZombieSupaStar]

i would love to see RDR2 on stadia input latency lol

[Raist]

With Destiny 2, it’s even more obvious that the game isn’t running at the highest settings. On a Chromecast Ultra, a “4K” stream looked closer to 1080p, and my colleague Tom Warren and I swore that the 1080p streams we were getting in the Chrome web browser looked more like 720p.
Initially, Google told us that it was using the highest-resolution, highest-fidelity build of Destiny 2 available. But Bungie later confirmed that our eyes weren’t deceiving us. “When streaming at 4K, we render at a native 1080p and then upsample and apply a variety of techniques to increase the overall quality of effect,” a Bungie rep said, adding that D2 runs at the PC equivalent of medium settings. That explains why the Xbox One X build, which runs at a native 4K and with higher-res assets, looks so much better than Stadia

Good grief

[kingv]

i would love to see RDR2 on stadia input latency lol

I would believe rdr2 latency is not very noticeable as the game plays so sluggishly as it is.

[Sho Nuff]

tl;dr what are the prices for these games?  Are they trying to still get $50-$60 for Shadow of the Tomb Raider or something like that?  If so, this'll make PSN prices look like GMG.

Stadia Launch Games Pricing
Assassin's Creed Odyssey  -  $59.99 $30.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Gylt - $29.99
Just Dance 2020 - $49.99
Kine - $19.99
Mortal Kombat 11 - $59.99 $41.99 Stadia Pro Deal
Red Dead Redemption 2 - Launch Edition - $59.99
Samurai Showdown - $59.99
Thumper - $19.99
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - $59.99
Rise of the Tomb Raider - $29.99
Tomb Raider 2013 - $19.99 $10.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Final Fantasy XV - $39.99 $29.99 Stadia Pro Deal

Special Editions:
Assassin's Creed Odyssey Stadia Ultimate Edition - $119.99 - $60.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Mortal Kombat 11 Premium Edition - $89.99 $62.99 Stadia Pro Deal
Red Dead Redemption 2 Special Edition - $79.99
Red Dead Redemption 2 Ultimate Edition - $99.99

by grabthar's hammer what a savings

[thisismyusername]

That'll be $70 + tip.

https://twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1196478074931568640

[headwalk]

maybe they can roll out the old ps3 fanboy argument that input lag "added weight" to games and made them better.

[TVC15]

maybe they can roll out the old ps3 fanboy argument that input lag "added weight" to games and made them better.

They’d need to advertise a “filmic” frame rate for that strategy to really work

[kingv]

Destiny 2 at filmic 4K.

I don’t really get why the performance is so much worse than one would expect.

The input lag and streaming artifacts, and choppiness are all things I expected... I did however expect true 4K and true 60fps at high settings  for all the games it released with.

I wonder if the encoding has more overhead than google let on. They say they encode in 1ms, but maybe that 1 ms has a lot of cpu/you dedicated to it.

[ZombieSupaStar]

Ok getting away from kicking stadia while it’s buffering.

Why didn’t google have something like this available day one? Even a single level tech demo of something like this utilizing cloud physics would have at least shown something intriguing.

[ZombieSupaStar]

Maybe this? Not sure but there is no voice over besides the initial dev one

[thisismyusername]

Because if MS couldn't do it with Crackdown 3, what makes you think Google Stadia can?

[Sho Nuff]

NOBODY CARES WITHOUT ORIGINAL CONTENT

Just watched the Giant Bomb quick look, what a trainwreck

[ZombieSupaStar]

Nah I meant it more as an example of something google could have had mocked up just as a tech demo. Give me one building with fire, water, gas, steam, smoke etc and show of some fancy physics. Like the old nividia tech demos. Something like that couldn’t have been knocked out in 12 months? They they talked they have all this virtualization stuff all ready? They showed some waterfall fight thing using it I thought?



Tear down is gonna be on steam, but the game mode sounds about as boring as anything (speed runs?) hopefully there is just a sandbox mode too.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1167630/Teardown/

[Trent Dole]

With Destiny 2, it’s even more obvious that the game isn’t running at the highest settings. On a Chromecast Ultra, a “4K” stream looked closer to 1080p, and my colleague Tom Warren and I swore that the 1080p streams we were getting in the Chrome web browser looked more like 720p.
Initially, Google told us that it was using the highest-resolution, highest-fidelity build of Destiny 2 available. But Bungie later confirmed that our eyes weren’t deceiving us. “When streaming at 4K, we render at a native 1080p and then upsample and apply a variety of techniques to increase the overall quality of effect,” a Bungie rep said, adding that D2 runs at the PC equivalent of medium settings. That explains why the Xbox One X build, which runs at a native 4K and with higher-res assets, looks so much better than Stadia

Good grief

Fucking pay full price to stream games running on mid tier pcs brehs.

[Eel O'Brian]

i would love to see RDR2 on stadia input latency lol

it would be the Lenny drinking scene for the entire game

[bork]

https://twitter.com/profoundcarnage/status/1196579252810002432

 

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https://twitter.com/profoundcarnage/status/1196781956727488512

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[Svejk]

https://twitter.com/profoundcarnage/status/1196579252810002432

 

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We all know that that's the Shenmue 3 line, right? 

[bork]

LOLtaku:

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1196766382584672256

[bork]

https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1196488999524802562

[ZombieSupaStar]

People are going to have a wake up call how unstable internet connections are. A lot of the instability is hidden in client / server lag compensation techniques, or buffers for passive streaming of audio/video. You can’t do that because of input latency however. I don’t think it’s a problem that will ever be solved, your streaming games will always be subject to network entropy in a way local gaming never will be. It’ll basically be how people get mad at Netflix buffering or dropping quality mid movie, except a lot more frequent and annoying when it ruins the current run your on.

I mean when your controls malfunction or get way delayed it’d be akin to like going randomly blind / deaf / afflicted with glaucoma while your using Netflix / Spotify nowadays.

Even googles negative latency idea needs to know I hit the button to send me their precomputed frames lol.

[Nintex]

I think Google really underestimated how difficult it would be to launch a game platform and they sorta banked on this thing extending the Google Home/Android ecosystem without a sweat with some bullshit about no latency streaming.

[TVC15]

Btw, Google wouldn’t let me cancel my order yesterday even though it hasn’t been prepared yet and won’t arrive until Friday at the earliest.

They’re railroading people into their preorders.

I managed to get a ticket raised with their store support after a day, still fighting with them. Abysmal customer service. We probably shouldn’t want Google to succeed.

[TakingBackSunday]

I couldn't cancel it in time  :'(

[bork]

Btw, Google wouldn’t let me cancel my order yesterday even though it hasn’t been prepared yet and won’t arrive until Friday at the earliest.

They’re railroading people into their preorders.

I managed to get a ticket raised with their store support after a day, still fighting with them. Abysmal customer service. We probably shouldn’t want Google to succeed.

Had the same thing happen with a Pixel phone- Likely means that the order is already in at the warehouse and they won't let you cancel it once it's there.  Had to wait for the phone we didn't want to arrive, then refuse delivery, then had to track it and contact support again because several days after it went back to them, they still hadn't refunded it.

[Tasty]

I couldn't cancel it in time  :'(

I did.

[Svejk]

Ironically, my internet has been down since 11am this morning (fucking Xfinity) and is still down.  I would like to go ahead and blame google because reasons.  But yeah... Fuck streaming games.  What with hackers and all that shit, not liking the idea of not having a game run locally.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

What with hackers and all that shit, not liking the idea of not having a game run locally.

it being 100% guaranteed hack free because everyone using it is thin client only is probably one of its bigger implicit advantages as a gaming platform

[kingv]

I do like that it will really enhance the advantage that you have with a better internet connection.

Imagine playing locally at the Stadia data center against a bunch of scrubs with frames dropping and shit.

[Occam]

I told you so.
Anyone who preordered this is a moron.

[TakingBackSunday]

well fuck you too

[Occam]

Sorry, but direct your anger at Google for fooling you by telling you that they could change the laws of physics.

[TVC15]

Should I make a cringe launch day video where I smash my stadia controller and loudly bitch about how much google betrayed me? Could we monetize it?

[Potato]

So wait on, you have to pay a monthly subscription AND still pay full price for games? Am I misinformed or is this the worst product in the history of video games?

[Nuitangg]

Yes and yes. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I do like that it will really enhance the advantage that you have with a better internet connection.

Imagine playing locally at the Stadia data center against a bunch of scrubs with frames dropping and shit.

every game is inherently going to be on a dedicated server eliminating host advantage, unlike basically everything on console with its shitty pay-to-play P2P

like, there's plenty to criticise, but thats not really one of them

[Svejk]

Another question is, how often will they upgrade and keep up with tech?  Are they gonna claim that their shit will always be top tier hardware/servers running?  Will their performance be as good as next gen next year?  Not rhetorical, I'm just not sure on how all that works.

[Raist]

Yes, and the people with the best connection to Stadia will have the best experience.

Their inputs will register faster, they will have less hiccups, etc.

Net code usually attempts to compensate for people with worse connections, which is why even with fast fiber sometimes the sever doesn’t give you the advantage.   

With Stadia everyone is on the same level playin field net code wise but not basic input wise and the game can’t try to mitigate that.

Not saying it’s worse that way but it doesn’t magically erase the advantage people have with good connections if anything it increases it.

But negative latency.

[thisismyusername]

I defended this in the past. It's so fucking crap now

Fuck off and rot in hell, Google.

>Actually defending this shit
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I mean, I can understand Andy-kun doing it, but the rest of you?

I told you so.
Anyone who preordered this is a moron.

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And that's the T, sisters. Because anyone with a working brain and/or has done Networking in the past knew this shit wasn't viable.

I seriously hope some of you that are saying you pre-ordered are kidding.

[Nintex]

So wait on, you have to pay a monthly subscription AND still pay full price for games? Am I misinformed or is this the worst product in the history of video games?

Jade: "So, how did it go, will the games be free with the subscription?"

Phil: "Better start working on your resume girl"

[kingv]

Yes, and the people with the best connection to Stadia will have the best experience.

Their inputs will register faster, they will have less hiccups, etc.

Net code usually attempts to compensate for people with worse connections, which is why even with fast fiber sometimes the sever doesn’t give you the advantage.   

With Stadia everyone is on the same level playin field net code wise but not basic input wise and the game can’t try to mitigate that.

Not saying it’s worse that way but it doesn’t magically erase the advantage people have with good connections if anything it increases it.

I was thinking about this a bit, and actually, I’m guessing that everyone is not on a level field net code wise either.

There’s really no guarantees that everybody’s stadia is in the same physical location on googles network and somebody is still going to be host, right? Connections between a Stadia unit in Iowa and in New York are probably better than between end user in New York and End User in Iowa, but there’s a limit to how much better. It’s not like google owns all the pipes in-between.

[marrec]

So anyway I played D2 for about an hour and the service was... up and down. Latency and image quality were fantastic for the first 45 mins, but the last 15 mins was really bad until the resolution noticeably dropped about 5 mins into the lag fest.

I'm playing on wifi, 250d internet with no other traffic on the line. Hardwired will likely prove to be a better experience but... I have a gaming computer for hardwired high-fidelity gaming.

[Raist]

Those tests in the DF article are brutal.

"Guys our negative latency tech means it will play better than on a local machine!!!!11!!11!"

Right

[nachobro]

to be fair you don't actually have to buy the box once it is open to all, it'll just work in a browser window or a phone.

[Tasty]

to be fair you don't actually have to buy the box once it is open to all, it'll just work in a browser window or a phone.

Yes, and I'm sure eventually some games will be free with ads too. There's a higher barrier to entry today than traditional consoles, but by nature of the technology that will evaporate when/if Google starts pushing updates out.

[ZombieSupaStar]

I see Blue Manifest has been revitalized lol. Is he poor? I get the feeling he can’t afford to pc game but wants to pc game and that’s why he’s fanatical over cloud streaming. Funny thing is I signed up for “unlimited*” internet a week ago (had a 350 cap, steam was killing me) and it’s an extra $30 a month so now I’m gonna spend $360 a year (or you know a new consoles worth) just to have unlimited* bandwidth. Weird how he never brings that up in his astroturfing. I’m apparently spending 5 years of his gaming budget (?) just to have unlimited for a year.

[chronovore]

to be fair you don't actually have to buy the box once it is open to all, it'll just work in a browser window or a phone.

Yeah, this is pretty much all Early Adopter Tax, and I'm happy to not pay it. Advantages of waiting:

• Tech gets fixed, performance improves
• Library of available games increases
• Don't pay exhorbitant amount and still have money in pocket
• Ability to laugh at early adopters, and other shades of schadenfreude

[bork]

https://twitter.com/RerezTV/status/1197212106111762432