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Somehow, some way, Sekiro and Bloodborne have converted me to Soulsborne. Ordering Dark Souls Trilogy for PS4 when I can. Steelbox! :lawd

What about Nioh?

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I'll get to it eventually.
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Nioh sucks ass.

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Keep it up Svejk! DS3 is in my opinion the best Dark Souls game. Most varied, most polished, most confident. Gives you a lot in return.
Definitely have enjoyed it A LOT more than DS2 so far.

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DS3 is objectively a lot better than DS2.

Plus it helps that it looks a lot nicer than DS1/2.

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I'll try Bloodborne once I get back to Tokyo and re-setup my PS4. I started it and played for like 40 minutes, but I was not enjoying the Dark Souls trauma feelings caused by the tissue-paper weight corpses being kicked around the scene when I moved.

Someone mentioned it's kind of mythos-inspired/lovecraftian, so I'm going to give it another go.

I'm bummed that I don't think Bloodborne is your kinda game from a gameplay experience and you probably wouldn't like it enough to stick with it.
But from a story/atmosphere perspective I think you'd love Bloodborne. It's pretty much the best Lovecraftian game ever.

Maybe watch a video playthrough like a movie and then read the Pale Blood Hunt essay on the story?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit
Cindy do not read the above link until you've finished the game. VERY VERY SPOILERISH FROM THE START.

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I spent too much time tryna figure out how to get all the crystal lizards in the great hollow. Got stuck in a wall and cursed by da frogs  :lol

only managed to get 3 of those lizard fucks  :ltg

Almost a fun puzzle, but the lizards disappear too fast and seem to be slightly random whether they appear or not between runs?
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Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.

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split damage sucks even more than i thought in ds1. tested a longsword which gave 200 AR with right hand next to artorias longsword which gave ~220 AR. status shows a blue "this weapon makes u stronger" improvement, but the damage output was between 60 and 90% better with the regular longsword depending on enemies at a lower overall AR than with Artorias's  :doge

the r1 looks exactly the same, same speed etc. still a dece weapon for cruising through the catacombs early and other early areas (pretty average by sens fortress), got a +10 longsword and the uchi now tho. just got to anor londo, need to grab that sunlight blade.
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UN.

SEEN.

VILLAGE.



This game, man.
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UN.

SEEN.

VILLAGE.

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This game, man.

Oh man, you’re past Rom  :o

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Can’t sleep. Who tf is Rom? Died against this dude that looks like death, woke up in another world, game became silent hill 2 psychological horror shit
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Ok, nvm you’re not as far as I thought. Yeah, unseen village is cool.

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please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.
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Halberd maining in DS1 is amazing. Not quite as good in DS3 for PVE, but I wrecked with it in PVP because most players can't deal with the range. I had about a 75% win rate with the weapon. Hollowslayer Greatsword is also amazing.

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Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

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Yo! SEKIRO!

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Yokatta da neeee



BLOODBORNE GAME OF THE GENERATION!!! :rejoice
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Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

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Cashed in 40k souls last night in BB.
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Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

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moss lady wanted 6k in the end

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New Londo Ruins guy cures you for less, no? May be wrong.

Anyway started DkS1 as well, and sped through the game (relatively) fast, already rang both bells.
Lol i killed Taurus without plunging, with like, one combo.

Almost dropped the game back 2011, because i couldn't get past him.

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If I can actually finish DSIII miraculously, I'll definitely jump on BB next. 

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I’ll beat the Vicar tonight. Doesn’t seem too bad in my test run.

Been exploring so much. Finding a woods, a room with an invisible enemy, the unseen village. Shit gone loco. So many choices, so much to do.
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please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.

what in the fuck. you been in this thread knowing i was going through bb and didn't mention you never played it? God dammit. I'll use spoilers from now on.
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Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
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please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.

what in the fuck. you been in this thread knowing i was going through bb and didn't mention you never played it? God dammit. I'll use spoilers from now on.

 :lol

I wasn't that concerned about playing it when y'all first started, two friends who's gaming loves are soulsbornes constantly rave about it as the goat soulsborne, the reason to own ps etc. I've been all  ::) I'll wait til it gets a pc port or i can emulate PS4 in 2025 or something. But when i started playing DS1 after DS3 they were all why are you replaying that when you haven't played Sekiro or BB? ('cause it's the GOAT biaaatch) So they convinced me to borrow it and ps4. Can prob whip through ds1 in the next few days.

Currently juggling full time work and finishing my BSc, why not marathon Soulsbornes and start an mmo for the first time as well? (ffxiv being put on hold unfort) Have a lot of little bits of time to randomly jam games since i'm constantly in front of computers. Particularly enjoying ds1 as a return to a familiar world and i can cruise through on previously hard learnt lessons but still challenged enough it's engaging. Something that was so initially challenging now feeling relatively trivial is quite energising as a break from academic and work tasks.
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Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
Nah.
It's good, but it's just people being hyperbolic as usual.
Combat in BB isn't even particularly good, it's basically Souls' but sped up a bit and made stamina less restricting/impactful.
The visual design is great tho.

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Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
Nah.
It's good, but it's just people being hyperbolic as usual.
Combat in BB isn't even particularly good, it's basically Souls' but sped up a bit and made stamina less restricting/impactful.
The visual design is great tho.

That's basically calling all combat in Souls games outside Sekiro bad and I'd disagree pretty hard on it. It's different and less tight than a good character action game, but there's a lot of variety and really good enemy/boss patterns throughout all the Souls/BB games. In Dark Souls it's cool finding a new weapon and checking out it's like 2-3 moves and learning how to use the range and speed of them on enemies/bosses.

I mean there was a thread on Era about whether Sekiro actually has good combat or not since it's basically just a slash, slash, slash game while hitting block when the enemy attacks or jump/dodge for the red moves and repeat the whole game and would people even want a Sekiro 2 if it's the same thing since it's kind of a one-trick pony combat system. People were saying Nioh has way more deep combat Ninja Gaiden style. My answer to Sekiro is the same answer as Bloodborne/DS, the combat is limited to a few moves, but the way you learn the enemy/boss patterns and work around them with what you have is where the combat depth is and I think it's pretty good from Demon Souls -> Sekiro.

Also Bloodborne has some excellent level design and level design is a big part of why these games are good.

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That's basically calling all combat in Souls games outside Sekiro bad
Calling something "not particularly good" isn't the same as calling it "bad".  ???
I think the combat in BB (and souls) is pretty good, just not outstanding.
Demon's and Dark 1 had the most interesting one, because of the unique mechanics and slow pace they had, despite being somewhat clunky, but then they back pedaled on those more and more.
Doesn't make it bad though.
Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

BTW i don't think Sekiro has a "great" combat system either, it's super fun and incredibly satisfying, but feels very shallow after you get the hang of it.
Haven't played Nioh, so i can't comment on that.

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Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

I found it so eye rolling when the friends i referenced above suddenly felt emboldened to speak on game mechanics and the validity of entire genres (all other rpg's are shit now) 'cause they'd played a couple souls games. Er, try playing some other action rpgs that aren't the witcher 3 or skyrim. But they'll happily zone out in dumb fuck shlooters  ::) I'm over it now but The Witcher 3 vs. Soulsborne debates were the dumbest shit.

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« Reply #275 on: May 06, 2019, 07:50:26 PM »
Bloodborne has some of the best level- and exploration design plus atmosphere since like Super Metroid. So, similar to the latter, less-than-excellent combat doesn't even matter.

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« Reply #276 on: May 06, 2019, 08:00:31 PM »
I think the combat is fun as shit. Easy to kill, but easy to be killed. The combat certainly counts as good. Maybe not excellent - after all it’s not fucking Ninja Gaiden or something - but saying it’s not at least good makes little sense to me but whatever. I don’t want to debate what I consider good combat to be.

And yes, Sekiro has great combat. The problem is the encounter design and lack of variety, not the combat. Genichiro is fantastic boss design and shows the full potential of the combat. Just because the game doesn’t fully take advantage of it doesn’t mean the combat isn’t up there. I’d be dead pressed to name a game with better combat this decade. Maybe Bayonetta 2, but I haven’t played it. Either way, it definitely reaches the top of the list. DMCV might be up there, I don’t know. But DMC tends to be a combo fest more than actual encounters.
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« Reply #277 on: May 06, 2019, 08:07:11 PM »
Bloodborne has some of the best level- and exploration design plus atmosphere since like Super Metroid. So, similar to the latter, less-than-excellent combat doesn't even matter.
I agree, the game overall is great, just for other reasons.
(art direction being a big one)

I think the combat is fun as shit. Easy to kill, but easy to be killed. The combat certainly counts as good. Maybe not excellent - after all it’s not fucking Ninja Gaiden or something - but saying it’s not at least good makes little sense to me but whatever. I don’t want to debate what I consider good combat to be.
Thankfully nobody said that.  ;)

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« Reply #278 on: May 06, 2019, 08:08:28 PM »
You said not particularly good, while also saying it’s not bad, which puts it between - average. Bloodborne’s combat, average? Nah.
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Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

I found it so eye rolling when the friends i referenced above suddenly felt emboldened to speak on game mechanics and the validity of entire genres (all other rpg's are shit now) 'cause they'd played a couple souls games. Er, try playing some other action rpgs that aren't the witcher 3 or skyrim. But they'll happily zone out in dumb fuck shlooters  ::) I'm over it now but The Witcher 3 vs. Soulsborne debates were the dumbest shit.

Yeah, I mean Bloodborne didn't make other games hard to play or anything. It was just a really good Souls-Lovecraft-fest, which is right up my alley.

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« Reply #280 on: May 06, 2019, 10:23:33 PM »
Vicar Amelia is a shit boss fight. Feel like I'm fighting the camera more than her. Covering up her entire ass with fur that covers the screen wasn't a good idea, From. You assholes.
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« Reply #281 on: May 06, 2019, 10:54:20 PM »
Idk, I love that fight. Re-watched a run of it last night after you said you got to it.
Those screamsssss.

She’s tough because she hits hard and large radius and doesn’t take a lot of damage unless you’re hitting the weak spot to stagger her often.

But yeah, she big so she covers the camera a lot and makes it harder to read her.

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« Reply #282 on: May 06, 2019, 11:12:21 PM »
I learned that she's best fought in mid range. She's easy to dodge and has such good reach that taking her from the back in pointless. It also makes it hard to get the visceral attack on her. With a paper fire and staying out of her range I kicked her ass. Frightening design though.
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Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.
Blighttown. Jesus, that was the first time I ragequit the game.

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Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.
Blighttown. Jesus, that was the first time I ragequit the game.

I think that was the first time the ps3 ragequit the game too with that framerate.

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« Reply #285 on: May 07, 2019, 04:14:04 AM »
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« Reply #286 on: May 07, 2019, 04:14:59 AM »
Killed that bitch witch on 3rd try, not too hard

Framerate is solid in Blighttown on Switch (handheld)

Still frustrating area with falls, poison, water, darkness, toxin  :-X

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« Reply #287 on: May 07, 2019, 05:54:26 AM »
You said not particularly good, while also saying it’s not bad, which puts it between - average. Bloodborne’s combat, average? Nah.
It's above average, just not particularly so.
We can spend our time better than to argue about semantics, but the gist of it is, i don't think it's an element of the game that elevates it above the rest of the landscape, let alone genre.
In other words, if it wasn't for the amazing art direction and world design, it wouldn't be the combat to make it one of the best games around.

On the other hand you take something like Ninja Gaiden, or even Bayonetta, and even with their questionable art direction (i mean, i kind like Bayonetta's, but that's another story) their combat is enough to carry them.

The one really peculiar mechanic in BB is the health regain, in my opinion, though most of the time is not worth it to expose yourself, given the small regain, compared to the massive damage taken.
The parry system with guns (which i find more confusing than a regular parry system tbh).
The weapon trick system is basically a stance system (which again, it's cool, but incredibly simple compared to action games with actual move sets), everything else is Souls, sped-up and simplified.

The one thing i really like compared to Souls, is the nerfed back stab, because i'm playing DkS1, and it's almost impossible to justify the use of anything but.

What set Souls game apart, especially Demon's and Dark 1, was the slow, deliberate animations (that you couldn't cancel out of), the brutal management of stamina, the extensive use of shields (that pushed for an even slower approach) and the limited moveset per weapon, interacting with the claustrophobic level design (i.e.: If you were in a tight sewer, a thrust weapon was preferred to one with swipe attacks, and you couldn't have every type of attack with every weapon) - these things were almost all nerfed (if not outright nullified) in their subsequent games, to turn them into more classic action games, where you use a dodge's i-frames to avoid any attack, but they carried with them that inherent simplicity (or designed shallowness) past Souls games had in terms of raw combat system, with a limited move-set, limited defensive options, but designed in tandem with the many builds you could usually do (though in BB they are restricted and feel more same-y).

Again, i never argued BB is anything less than a great game, and never said its combat is in any way "bad", it's satisfying and looks cool, which is more than you can ask out of most ARPGs, but i just don't think it goes anywhere beyond that.
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Also fuck, fuck, fuck playing an "action game" at 30fps with that level of input lag.  :doge

Finally, while Sekiro shares some problems with the lack of depth and variety in my opinion, it's such a different beast, that i'm not even gonna address it here. I do think it's got a lot of potential though, i think the posture system is their best combat design idea since Dark 1, and would love to see it worked on, in a sequel.

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« Reply #288 on: May 07, 2019, 07:25:52 AM »
I agree that the mechanics in all of the Souls/Blood/Sekiro games aren't really that deep. But it's the level design and atmosphere that puts these games over the top IMO.

I would say both Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are the best games FROM has made during their run. Dark Souls 1 fell off a crater after the first half, DS2 is DS2. DS3 is really good, but literally only had one, maybe two moments where I said "wow"

Sekiro is really good too. Enjoying all the ninja and stealth shit, and I'm liking the level design as well. The world itself is very well realized, but I think they could have halved the frequency of rest idols. Haven't beat it yet so no final judgement.

But yeah, both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne realized in their vision, or at least didn't feel compromised like the Dark Souls games for one reason or another.

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« Reply #289 on: May 07, 2019, 04:38:13 PM »
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Hemwick Witch
easy as shit but fun af.

Made it to Forbidden Woods after getting home from work.  According to IGN walkthrough that makes me halfway through the game? :tocry
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« Reply #290 on: May 07, 2019, 06:08:19 PM »
From beginning to end, Forbidden Woods might just be the best FROM level ever :rejoice

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« Reply #291 on: May 07, 2019, 07:20:44 PM »
I like that part, yeah. Nice and creepy.

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« Reply #292 on: May 07, 2019, 10:05:57 PM »
I managed to not die once in the Forbidden Woods so far besides the initial trap at the beginning. That trap was a massive lesson.

It is incredible.

There was a lonnnnnnng path to the shortcut door and some how my caution and trepidation set off by the initial trap forced me to play my absolute best. When I encountered a snake monster, I was carrying 54k blood. I didn't want to take any chances. I used a thunder paper, went into beast mode which i normally save for bosses, and threw a molotov. I killed the fucker in seconds.

I've formed a covenant and now I'm home free with 55k blood in my pocket.

I've played the entirety of tonight's session in the dark while it's raining and storming outside. I havne't played a horror rpg this good, EVER. A+ shit. Bloodborne might crack my top 10 or 20 if it keeps this up. I like it THAT MUCH.

Forbidden Woods design is nothing short of incredible.
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« Reply #293 on: May 07, 2019, 10:25:55 PM »
Also I've tried other weapons for the first time in the game. I tried threaded cane and it's really cool! It's like one of those gundam whips. Or one of those whips Ivy uses in Soul Calibur. I'm interested in buying other weapons and just experimenting with them now that I'm carrying this much cash.
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« Reply #294 on: May 07, 2019, 11:03:34 PM »
*throws self to the wolves*

This game, man.

GODLIKE.

edit: found a Hunter's Nightmare.

Apparently missed some popular character called Eileen.
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« Reply #295 on: May 08, 2019, 12:31:13 AM »
AXE :rejoice
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« Reply #296 on: May 08, 2019, 01:05:35 AM »
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« Reply #297 on: May 08, 2019, 01:06:30 AM »
Hunter's Nightmare info (not really spoilers but I'll be careful)

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It's the DLC area. I'd recommend saving it until the endgame unless you're really gud

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« Reply #298 on: May 08, 2019, 01:25:10 AM »
Hmmmmmm, well DLC is better as a endgame challenge but if you leave it for endgame you might be overleveled for it.

I still think saving Hunter’s Nightmare aka the expansion for NG+ is a good option, it’s final boss is harder than the main game final boss because it came after and it’s the final challenge. Might make the main game stuff feel a step down going back. You can get back there pretty quick.

For 2ndary weapons I liked the big slow but powerful hammer. Got me through some mid-game enemies but saw was still best for bosses.

And yeah part of why BB rocks is the horror rpg genre is incredibly sparse with stuff like Shadow Hearts and Planescape, Corpse Party (haven’t played the latter two). BB fills a much needed spot for horror fans.

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« Reply #299 on: May 08, 2019, 06:06:33 AM »
Went past Anal Rondo in DkS1, O&S being a cake walk (everything but Skeleton Wheel was, tbh), lol back in the day they felt so impossible.

Was doing the painted world, but after the 4th "stuck at bon-fire" bug (only option it to alt+F4) i got pissed off and just uninstalled both that and DkS3.
Should spend my time in better ways than to replay old Souls games for the nth time, anyway.

I'll just say though, DkS1 is piss easy by comparison, but also incredibly janky, Cindi you'll have a rough time going from BB to it.